Thread 279580802

>trashes Yhwach clone at 70-80% of the originals’ power
>immediately jobs to 100% Yhwach

How does Kubo powerscaling work?

>>279580802 (OP)
both aizen and yhwach openly admit that they literally have no chance against yamamoto in a fair fight and actively plan around at LEAST taking his zanpakuto out of the equation. i think hes one of the least shitty examples of "we need a way to write the strongest character out".

>>279580802 (OP)
What’s this obsession with jobbing? Why can’t people read or watch things in context instead of looking at with surface level idiocy.

>>279581202
>word salad

>>279581202
because they treat manga like sports where its all just a pretense to shit on other people over arbitrary lines in the sand and be addicted to internet arguments

>>279580802 (OP)
HE LITERALLY JOBS BECAUSE YAHWEH STOLE HIS BANKAI YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD
FFS KILL YOURSELF ALREADY

Yama has full stats but like 60 in stamina. He used up all his reiatsu using Zanka no Tachi, and having only one arm its harder to control the flow of reiatsu.
Not tired big bad > tired old man

>>279580802 (OP)
Whoever the writer wants to win is the one that does, that's how it is for every series. Every bit of thought you put into power level garbage is 100% wasted.

>>279581202
People don't care about context; they just care about who won.

>>279582164
Every bit of thought I put into power level garbage was both fun, and a low stakes form of exercising my critical thinking. Not a second of it was wasted.

>>279581328
Doesn’t matter why
Jobbing is jobbing

>>279580802 (OP)
>>279581328
Lol.

thing with this powerfull characters that job in the end its that they never do something actually useful, yama killed a shitty clone then died anyway. The only strong character that jobs but does something cool anyway is fingolfin from the silmarillion, dude died but he managed to do some permanent damage to morgoth.

>>279581202
you are the one who isn't reading.
>manga goes on how yamamoto is the strongest and defeated yhwach in the past.
>still got defeated.
>>279580802 (OP)
kubo such while doing power scale or levels simple as that.
>>279581328
he won without using bankai a thousand years before, no issue at all when it comes to raw power.

>>279584559
>he won without using bankai a thousand years before
Speedreaderbro, Yama literally says he used his bankai on Yhwach a thousand years ago.

>>279584559
>he won without using bankai a thousand years before
?

>>279584680
literally is telling is not same bankai, deep reading "i wasn't using my bankai before".
why he yhwach didn't stole it since all he needed was seen it before, he couldn't because he never saw yama bankai.

>>279580802 (OP)
his bankai got stolen, you retard
of course he's weaker

>>279585139
no, "but is it still the same" is because fake Yhwach questions if Yamamoto has become rusty, because he rarely uses the bankai since a thousand years

>>279585139
Speedreader-kun, the bankai stealing medallians are a recent invention of his. That's why he never stole it back then. Once again, Yamamoto explicitly states that he showed Yhwach his bankai in the past, but not all of its abilities.

>>279581328
>YAHWEH STOLE HIS BANKAI
And Kubo tells us that Yhwach's medallion is an application of the Sankt Altar that Yhwachs teals powers with anyway. So Yama just plain had no chance.

>>279580802 (OP)
The short answer is that the sternritter are stronger and therefore Yhwch is stronger because of the parasitic relationship he has with them.

The long answer is that while Yamato has become stronger, it's implied that Ychwh will always eventually outscale any soul reaper as long as he has the ability to split apart and subsequently harvest his soul from the quincy. Essentially this gives him and his army exponential growth over time whereas Soul Reapers have something of a soft cap of just how far they can go. I don't know how long it was between Yhwch's birth and his eventual 'rebellion' against the soul repears when they initially met, but you have to understand that even if it was a similar amount of time he was ultimately going to be weaker not only due to not having spread his soul as far, but also because the quincy in general were weaker. They hadn't unlocked voldstong and even more damning, they were probably getting bopped by Vasto lordes and Menos. Meanwhile, even though Yamato obviously got exponentially stronger than their first encounter, it's already been implied that of the generation of captains and soulreapers during that battle? He was already starting to be challenged by soul reapers hundreds of years his junior both in terms of raw reiatsu and technique. The fact that they keep comparing him to a shikailess Kenny as well as a not yet Hogyokued Aizen should let you know that Yama was falling behind. Combine this with the fact that it's likely he hadn't fully recovered and probably never would thanks to the fake karakura town fight, it's no real surprise that a guy who's whole gimmick is to simulate SOME of the power of a guy who's only been getting consistently stronger with no drawbacks for 1000 years in a row would end up stronger than him.

That said the real reason is because Kubo wanted it to desu I think that Yama shouldn't have had to even used bankai against the klonenarcher.

>>279580802 (OP)
that powerscaling is not even half-bad
the actual bad one is Squad Zero (supposedly stronger than Gotei 13) jobbing to Schutzstaffel and yet Gotei 13 beaten Schutzstaffel

>>279585428
>That said the real reason is because Kubo wanted it to desu I think that Yama shouldn't have had to even used bankai against the klonenarcher.
Kubo's always been weird on concept vs execution. Like he built Aizen up as this gigaretarded powerful dude then couldn't figure out a satisfactory or believable counter, he just sorta "defeated" himself. Then he goes on to make shit like Tsukishima or Gremmy who are far more of a broken, powerful threat on paper than Aizen could ever hope to be but gives them genuinely believable foils. Then Yhwch rolls around and it's like Aizen all over again

>>279585669
>Tsukishima
At the end of the day, he's still just an above-average human compared to the captains. Strong hax, but sub-par physicals, and this goes for a lot of characters.

>>279586153
Except his whole shtick was that he didn't even have to lift a finger if he simply wrote himself into your past as your childhood friend/mentor/perfectly harmless and trusted whatever the fuck. Having him square off against the one guy who felt himself so indebted to Ichigo that he actually would be willing to kill his suddenly oldest/closest/strongest friend on his word alone was a genuinely excellent counter

>>279580802 (OP)
As disappointing as Yamamoto jobbing was, I love that it happened. Not having a character who can solve the problem with one swing of his exploding sword and having to rely on everyone else, who have been sinking into the background for several arcs now, creates actual stakes. The world is changing, there's no room for fossils like him anymore.

>>279580802 (OP)
Latest Bleach reference in game world.

>>279584056
He then goes on immediately after this page you posted to use his full Bankai against the Fake Yhwach, allowing the real Yhwach to steal Zanka no Tachi and manifest it as his own. Which causes Yamamoto to immediately fall into hopeless despair at the sight of Yhwach now wielding his own version of Zanka no Tachi, and is then bisected by it.

Not sure where the "Lol." comes in regarding your image post there, as you simply posted a moment in the sequence of events that the posted before you was referring to.

>>279587158
>Except his whole shtick was that he didn't even have to lift a finger
It's been a while, but I swear he actually had to stab you with his sword for his fullbring to work.

>>279587611
Anon, I think he was just laughing at how Yama was completely wrong kek.

>>279586153
You're underplaying how hax Tsukishima is.
He can just rewrite the past so that Tsukishima was your sensei and you were never able to match his strength and then present Tsukishima scales to what now exists in the past.

>>279588128
And a weak ass jobber like Soifon can speedblitz the fucker before he can use BotE, he literally needs to cut something/someone to insert & rewrite, it's not an auto-win like Kyouka Suigetsu.

>>279588060
He was wrong, but the fact Yhwach was so afraid of bankai that he had to hide for 1000 (one-thousand) years just to develop a handful of techniques just to strip away power from the enemies shows how Yhwach and the quincies were a bunch of shitters.

Same deal with Aizen, except he took less than 100 years to develop the Hogyoku and Wonderweiss to seal Yama's power.

Kek indeed.

>>279588259
>weak ass jobber
>Soifon

Soifon could break both you and your penis in half thirty five times before you could even finish pronouncing the syllables of her name.

>>279580802 (OP)
Nothing says that the "clone" had 70-80% of the original's power.
He went pretty much all out against against the clone, becoming tired, and had his Bankai stolen.
The the original killed the tired, one-armed, bankai-less Yamamoto.
But that was Ywhach playing it safe, from what we saw from he, he could have probably simply killed Yamamoto directly.
>>279584056
I would like also to point that Yamamoto could have simply be completely wrong here, since the more obvious reason they didn't steal Ichigo's bankai is its hollow-like nature.
>>279585566
Yeah, now THAT was disappointing, especially with the normal captains defeating a bunch of them later. Wasn't at some point much earlier in the story said that the Squad 0 had like 9 times the reiatsu of all the rest of Seireitei or something like that?

>>279580802 (OP)
dead series, to be quite honest

>>279587234
It is really well worked into the arc
>You died without realizing this so i'm going to tell you. Soul society is about to perish but the gotei 13 died with us a thousand years ago.

>>279588554
Yhwach prior to regaining full use of The Almighty would have lost handily to Yamamoto. As evidenced by post-Irusuzando Ichigo absolutely bodying him until he pulled out the Almighty brokenness. Clearly peak Soul Reaper power (which Yamamoto had reached) was more than sufficient to defeat what he is capable of without benefit of the Almighty.

Hashbrowns + Yhwach 2v1 on Yamamoto would also not have worked because Kirinji low-diffed him- and that was after he'd already received his first Auswahlen powerup. Prior to that powerup Hashbrowns would've been reduced to ash just standing within 30 ft of a Yamamoto taking things even slightly seriously.

>>279588060
Yamamoto had the power to kill people and make them his undead army. He thought Aizen and Ywach weren't worthy of being part of his collection or he went soft. He didn't care Mayuri killed poor fags he just wished Mayuri asked.

>>279588834
Ichigo got beaten by Quilge and Askin even with all that spirit training. Ywach has to paint himself as weak so he can body Soul Reapers

>>279588018
Yes, and he was fast enough to do it to Byakuya whose entire thing was his speed

>>279587437
what game?

>>279580802 (OP)
He was tired, old and had 1 arm
Its also worth noting that the very first thing Ichibei does when confronting Yhwach is throw his ink on the seal containing Yamamoto's Bankai so it couldn't be used against him.
Yamamoto was a powerhouse from start to finish, he is never once shown to be overpowered. He is always shown to be dealt with by seals and depowering tools because no one can fight in straight up at 100%. The man's Bankai(while holding back) is stated to be able to destroy the entire Soul Society by just being active for too long

>>279580802 (OP)
It's really simple and obvious.
Every single fight is a 50/50. If you won the previous battle, then you lose the next battle. And vice a versa. That is why Ichigo always loses then wins.
It doesn't matter how high the power level or how unfair the hax. This is how it works. Even if you have to pull an anti-god sword out of your ass. You can and you will, as long as that God win the previous battle

>>279589518
the arm thing was his own fault, Orihime offered to stick it back on but he refused because he's a stubborn old cunt

>>279585566
>supposedly stronger than Gotei 13

This is probably one of the most overrated quotes in the entire show
The power of the Gotei 13 is entirely its captains and if we're being honest only the 3-4 strongest captains even matter. So when they say the 5 0 Squad members are stronger than the entire Gotei 13 what they are really saying is stronger than ......Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana(before his "awakening" Kenpachi was not in Unohana's league" and that's not really that impressive. I'd bet 2 Yamamoto's could wreck the Gotei 13.....maybe even just 1....5 Shunsui or Ukitake's? they would be a problem

>>279580802 (OP)
he blew his load on a clone

>>279589231
neverminer found it some shit with wutheria

>>279589655
100% true, Yhwach even points this out. Saying the old man was too proud to get help from a human

>>279581202
It's even worse when you read it. Once Yama's bankai is stolen, he just fucking gives up and let's Yhwach kill him.

>>279588834
Ywhach was simply testing and manipulating Ichigo, he wasn't serious. After all, he needed Ichigo to kill the Soul King (as told in the anime, at least).
The idea that there even exists a "peak" Soul Reaper power is also baseless, and if it did exist, it would probably be considerably above Yamamoto (Mugentsu Ichigo, Ichibei, a fully developed Kenpachi maybe.)

>>279580802 (OP)
kubo doesn't know power scale just that.
>ichigo is 3 times stronger then a captain, lose fight against gin, against aizen and so on.
>gin pierce a hole on aizen with his bankai without issue despite aizen reaching godhood.
>vizards are being that have the powers of hollow and shinigami, in theory putting the mask increase the power level at same levels of bankai when using shikai, they still lose.
>vizard tokusatsu girl can maintain mask for 24 hours without issue because has more reiatsu, fights for a few minutes before her mask breaks appart when she is winning.
see it makes no sense.

>>279589626
I have this as a wallpaper at work. I have my own office, but sometimes people do come, I wonder what they think. The majoroity of colleagues are women, too.

>>279590115
And Bambietta could kill anybody who isn't a giant immortal golem.

>Kazui confirmed
H*ll arc soon...

>>279590428
We'll finally get to see feral Unohana

>>279580802 (OP)
Bleach is fucking dogshit. Why ask any questions about it? Kubo doesn't fucking care.

>>279580802 (OP)
The character with stronger aura wipes the floor with the other one. If the other one powers up, the floor-wiping reverses. Repeat until they're both out of power-ups.

>>279580802 (OP)
Can endgame full 100% potential Ichigo beat Firejobber?

>>279589768
>Be fighting a character you know you need your Bankai to beat
>Turns out it wasn't him and the real him just pops up and takes your only method of beating him.
I mean he had no answer.

>>279591344
Probably.

>>279589190
Don't the captains and lieutenants have gentei kaijo on in the human world? Or was it explicitly stated that they turned off their limiters when fighting the Fullbringers? Don't get me wrong, it's still impressive on Tsukishima's part regardless, but I can't recall if Byakuya was actually at full strength.

>>279591693
pretty sure they do, yeah

>>279581202
shunen requires a level of reading comprehension that is lack luster in the west
they complain about a comic for fucking kids for gods sakes
you think these are the same kind of faggots from back in the 90s bitching and moaning about dbz power levels mattering at all

>>279591344
Easily.