Thread 279595097

I don't understand the notion that happy endings=/=badly written.

>>279595137
Called it.

>>279595097 (OP)
It's hard to get a read on if the hatred this board has towards FMA is shounen-hate or some weird mental gymnastics whereby you don't hate all shounen but you hate some in particular for all the same reasons. Bad shounen exist of course and the criticisms towards them will be partial concessions to why they're so hated, I just don't see how FMA is one of them.

>>279595255
make sure you save it with the same name so you can help us post it

>>279595097 (OP)
Bittersweet endings are a really easy way to emotionally invest the average sheepcattlenormalfag into your writing.

Most faggots don't actually look at writing as anything beyond "how many likeable characters are there, are there lots of plot twists and what is the ending like."
The actual cohesion and strength of the writing doesn't matter as long as it meets very shallow criteria.

>>279595327
I hate anything with action because its not slice of life or rom com with girls

>>279595327
Spammers from Mal mainly.
>>279595504
True....

And really FMA deserved that happy ending.

>>279595097 (OP)
Retarded edgelords baiting for reactions

>>279595504
It really does feel like a lot of people these days are too quick and try and show off how harshly they can criticize writing without actually understanding how it all works.

>>279595327
I think it's mainly some lunatics that have been mindbroken by Brotherhood for like a decade.
Going through the FMA storytime, it was genuinely liked and people had fun making fun of Envy for being such a wuss compared to the 2003 version

>>279595868
>It really does feel like a lot of people these days are too quick and try and show off how harshly they can criticize writing without actually understanding how it all works.
That's a consequence of giving everyone a valid voice (the internet) while value in education degrades.
Now we've got a lot of very stupid people thinking highly of themselves.

>>279595963
I would literally go to bookstores just to read volumes of it growing up. Even found kids younger than me into it

This was back in the early 10s.

>>279595990
Thatanimesnob types.

A lot of people kinda forget that the 2003 show used to be heavily ridiculed for the absurd plot twist at the very end, where it was revealed that, actually, the power of alchemy comes from people who die in "our" world, and that alchemy can allow people to cross dimensions. It's a really bizarre twist that's never even remotely alluded to in previous episodes.

Also, to be honest, some of the anime original alchemy back then was kinda weird and didn't jive all that well with how alchemy normally works. Such as the "I have an alchemy necklace that lets me shoot giant alchemy lasers" thing. Also, automail became kinda crazy near the end. Originally, all automail did was let you replace limbs, which was kinda ridiculous given the general technology level of the setting, but consistent since no one ever used automail for anything other than limb replacement. Then in comes Archer, with half his face being automail, introducing technology that never existed prior to that point.

>>279595097 (OP)
FMA has one of the most beloved endings in manga, even the biggest shonen haters admit it's at least decent. Don't take the voice of schizos seriously.

>>279595097 (OP)
I need another series with cool worldbuilding and aesthetic like this

>>279595504
>>279595868
Give some examples

>>279595097 (OP)
FMA Brotherhood really isnt "Good". Its consistently decent with a decent ending that makes sense. Anime fans in general are just so let down with shonen endings(and shonen that never end or have long strides of 50+ episodes being boring or filler), that elevate Brotherhood for not being that.
Its okay and its ending is okay. Thats it

>>279595327
>shounen
Not all of these are equal. Compare something like this to Frieren's message of kill all demons no matter what no exceptions.

>>279596957
Name some good shonen

>>279595137
>>279595255
Funnyschizo's version is a .png.

>>279596653
Texhnolyze

>>279597243
my bad, wasn't paying enough attention I have that too

>>279597263
>trying to get someone to watch that
You are a very mean and vindictive person.

>>279597263
That shit was miserable. I've never watched such a depressing show before.

>>279596957
>ending that makes sense
That plot twist is bullshit and you fucking know it.

It's because they're effortless to write and extremely overdone. Mind you; they're poorly written depending in how saccharine they are.

>>279595137
OP and Mustang in shambles.

>>279597372
>>279597301
To me, these are beaming recommendations. I enjoy it when the media I consume makes me suffer.

>>279595097 (OP)
>>279596957
>>279595327
Shonen is manga targeting adolescent boys and young men 6-30. Male IQ peaks at 25 and has a slow drop off from there. Hence shonen has the highest IQ reader base.
Seinen you can just keep feeding your reader base philosophy 101 and edgelord ragebait over and over again with no changes and they will keep reading. Essentially the equivalent modern economic and political podcasts/videos that your dad can't stop watching.

>>279596612
>FMA has one of the most beloved endings in manga
I'd believe you if it wasn't memoryholed. That aside it's solid.

>>279596957
Meanwhile
In the seasonal rom com where nothing happens...

>>279597380
>That plot twist is bullshit and you fucking know it.
yeah the 2003 version did have a bullshit plot twist.

>>279598051
>Hence shonen has the highest IQ reader base.

>>279597301
>>279597372
You fags are weak.

>>279598176
>memoryholed
It aired 16 years ago bro
People still bring it up as one of few examples where the mega popular shonen action series stuck the landing and didn't keep going/churn out bullshit sequels for the sake of popularity

>>279597237
Genuinely based

>>279598672
So did Naruto and Naruchads have at least 2 generals running 24/7

>>279595990
It doesn't really help when most faggots these days base their entire level of expertise off of reading whatever garbage gets posted on TVtropes or Cinemasins level nit picks devoid of context. More to point they'll try to get ONE UP on a show by picking at stuff before it's actually revealed or followed up on.

>>279598672
>It aired 16 years ago bro
And I meant back then.

>>279595097 (OP)
Can you falseflagging FMAtards just leave us the fuck alone? Your show was fucking dogshit and it will NEVER be good, now get out of /a/. There's a good reason no one talks about this generic tripe anymore except for shitholes like MAL and reddit who continue sucking its dick. Just leave me alone already, go the fuck away

>>279598839
>>279597237
FUCK YEAH! MUSCLE WIZARD!

>>279596223
2003 was better because it had mature seinen vibes like Monster, not like that bullshit Brotherhood that's more generic shonen slop like Demon Slayer. It took more emotional risks than everyone living happily ever after kumbaya style. It transformed the source material into more than just a fucking joke

>>279595097 (OP)
It's only one schizo on this site that thinks this.

>>279595963
>Mindbroken
And yet the faggots who botted MAL for over a decade to shill their awful slop aren't "mindbroken", keeping out much superior series out of the top spot. How can you look at pic rel and not realize they are the ones who are deeply obsessive about an irrelevant cartoon?

I cast punch

>>279598927
that's not the power of friendship he's literally just clobbering a powerless guy to death.

>>279598308
fullreddit MALchemist LOST, get over it. Even frieren topped it. No one cares about that garbage except you delusional retards

>>279596612
>implying

>>279599034
still doesn't change the fact that 2003's ending was retarded.

Daily reminder to FMAutists, no one cares about your dead show

>>279598961
>2003 was better because it had mature seinen vibes like Monster,
2003 was just immature garbage
>monster
overrated

>>279598872
>reading comprehension
Gee maybe the Naruto generals are around because IT GOT A BULLSHIT SEQUEL unlike FMA

>>279598991
Yeah, I just realized that, he is probably just a shitposter.

>>279599141
>2003 was just immature garbage
Better than "killing envy would make you just as bad as him" or the whole "pride gets dressed down by kimbly and becomes reincarnated as good" retardation

>>279595097 (OP)
2003 was a surprise isekai and thus shit

>>279599201
>killing envy would make you just as bad as him
this bait again

>>279599215
apologize

>>279596957
>Its consistently decent with a decent ending that makes sense
Not that I agree its merely decent but I would much rather have a show that's a consistent 7/10 than something like TTGL that's a 4/10 for the whole show with a few minutes of unparalleled hype that dominate everyone's memory of what the show was.

>>279599356
>decent ending
>TTGL
TTGL had one of the worst endings ever

Post that image and destroy this fag for once (again)

>>279595327
It's a handful of retards repeating the same stupid to themselves because they resent the idea of something being popular. I have yet to see a single genuine criticism of the show in this board.

>>279599013
>irrelevant cartoon?
What is a relevant cartoon?

>>279598927
>>279598961
>>279599013
>>279599034
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>>279599090
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>>279599201
Kill yourself, funnyschizo.

>>279599421
How does it feel to be semi literate, anon-kun?

>mature seinen vibes
Only someone severely mentally arrested would actually use this as a positive descriptor

>>279595097 (OP)
Americans are deep on irony and "realism" nowadays.
They simply cannot imagine anything being earnest, positive or happy. Everything must be miserable and cringe like themselves. Everything must be under ten layers of irony.
Very sad and pathetic people.

>>279599698
And that's why this show was so popular, you have all seen this masterpiece right?

>>279595137
>desuarchive
>158 results
Blud won't stop until he attains vidya butts notoriety

>>279599748
That's not even the right image.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/2HEiqdn_9VV_657Si6lwvA/

>>279599728
Rance X ending was a 10/10

>>279599748
He's not too far off. I'd say the most notorious schizo is still ACK, but the new spam measures sorta gutted his ability to be a menace in threads.

>>279599958
>menace

>>279600018
Nigger

>>279600293
don't insult my wife

I have arrived to post a good ending.

>>279595097 (OP)
It's inferior to 2003

>>279595097 (OP)
Because it's retarded in context of the story. Alchemy is shown as being a mathematically sound science that literally anyone can do given enough knowledge about what they want to transform. Him "giving it up" is equivalent to giving himself temporary amnesia. It's like forgetting how to ride a bike, he can eventually relearn it without issue.
There's also the problem that it came out of nowhere after being sidelined for god knows how many episodes/chapters because helping his dad kill god was more important than his and his brother's journey and the catalyst for the entire fucking story. Arakawa remembered at the last minute that she needs to tie that loose end up and she did it in the most sloppy fucking way possible.

>>279600672
>he can eventually relearn it without issue.
Dumbass, what he gave up cause him to never be able to do alchemy again even if he still know how. He didn't forget anything, he just can't now because he gave up his ability to do so. That is his answer to Truth. Truth gave him the knowledge as a trade off for his leg. When he went back to Truth, he gave up his alchemy ability which include both what Truth gave him and his innate ability, aka giving back more.

>>279600672
You were speedreading or it was playing on your third monitor. If Alchemy was a sound science you wouldn't be able to go to the gate and trade parts of your body for more knowledge and magical powers (literally turning your body into a transmutation circle). Since you can make that trade, you should be able to trade your knowledge and power of alchemy for parts of your body back. It's only logical.

>>279600672
You can know how to do something but still not be able to do it. it be more like you know how to ride a bike but are physically unable to do it.

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>>279601428
>samefaggotry

>>279601569
>retardatry

>>279601569
>>279600672
Also each living thing has an individual gate, the gate that appears in the show is likely the earth's gate, so ed just transmuted his OP gate into a body for Al and some arms and legs.

>>279601569
>Accusing other people of samefagging
and that's how we know you are losing the argument

>>279595327
It's about hating a social media MAL tranny consensus, which is honestly appropriate

>>279599609
The only thing I've ever heard was that they don't like how light hearted it was and the usual anime esque gag style humor they inserted. They preferred the more gritty and darker atmosphere of the original. Of course they will ignore how the second half of the original has the worst writing known to man but some try to justify even that.

>>279595097 (OP)
This board will hate anime regardless. Look how people reacted to Bleach, Naruto, JJK, MHA and other shonen endings. They all cried and complained about them being shit but when FMAB makes one where the characters achieve their goal and end on a high note they complain anyways. It's a never ending cycle

>>279595097 (OP)
You don't understand the notion that a happy ending isn't necessarily a bad ending? What are you even trying to say?

>>279598927
are u gonna cry if we dont leave? this is not ur safe space

>>279603480
>I don't understand why you retards don't get it, even if an ending is happy it can still be poorly written trash

>>279603568
The way phrased his question is: "I don't understand the notion that happy endings don't equal bad writing"

It implies that he thinks a happy ending inherently is bad writing because he can't even grasp the notion that a happy ending could be written decently.

>>279599843
Kichikuou Rance true ending was 10/10
Rance X ending was 8/10

>>279603627
>it implies
>it insists upon itself
>it's not what you said it's how you said it
Sometimes it just means what it says.

What I don't understand is why a nuclear family and working a 9/5 is always considered the good ending. No more cool powers, no more tough battles, no more fun adventures. You just work, come home and mow the lawn or whatever. That doesn't sound like a good ending. That sounds like hell.

>>279604213
>and working
Irrelevant because you are going to have to anyway since you are not rich like me, which leaves us with.
>What I don't understand is why a nuclear family
So you just don't understand the point of having a wife? One day you will have sex and then it will all make sense.

>>279596223
>It's a really bizarre twist that's never even remotely alluded to in previous episodes
Except pictures of fucking real things and an American flag halfway through when Ed described seeing the gate.

>>279596083
Snob actually knows what he's talking about since he has watched all there is to watch.

>>279597118
I thought Frieren's metapoint was to not fall for someone's schemes just because they are pretty and charismatic

>>279595327
It's just not very good, and the amount of praise it gets exacerbates the negative feelings one might experience toward the work.

I don't think is just about a happy ending or sad ending.
I am fine with TTGL and Cowboy Bebop because it feels consistent to what has been setup and its characters.

An ending where "and then the love interest dies in a car crash" or "and then the losing love interest goes in a coma and gets confessed while sleeping" or "protagonist kill himself because he thinks the bad guy is too smart to be thwarted otherwise and the co-protagonist abandons in a page her previous character arcs and every other character turns into a miserable wreck" or "all these best friends in the era of the internet couldn't keep in touch for 10 years including the main couple who confessed to each other multiple times and said they would marry"

It just doesn't work, one day I'll find a good book or article that explains it better than I could, but if you hide under the veil of "realism" you are a coward, you made that world, a story needs to have a setup and a payoff, like a magic trick that involves vanishing has to make that thing re-appear.

>>279604426
Remember how they went out of the way to have the demon raised by the loving human family?
They are taking on the nature nurture false dichotomy, with a stern repudiation of the social position.
Their entire scheme is just an attempt to obfuscate their nature.

>>279595097 (OP)
After all these years I realized that FMA was indeed poorly written. There is no real emotional weight to anything because the author is way too autistic. It's pretend-humor and pretend-drama with faces and tropes but it feels so hollow.
When I was a wee lad it's the only manga series that I loved enough to have bought paper issues and even figures for, but now that I'm an adult this is what I realized.

>>279604426
If one's nature is evil you can't reason with them it's like talking to a salesman.

>>279604284
I had sex, and that only made me resent women more. She told me she loved me, even though I didn't love her. When I realized love is a power hierarchy, because hypergamy, I saw how shallow women really were, and how true love where both individual see each other as equals is literally impossible. Women will only love you so long as they think you're way above their league. The moment you start treating them as your equal, you're done.

>>279604575
>and then the love interest dies in a car crash" or "and then the losing love interest goes in a coma and gets confessed while sleeping" or "protagonist kill himself because he thinks the bad guy is too smart to be thwarted otherwise and the co-protagonist abandons in a page her previous character arcs and every other character turns into a miserable wreck" or "all these best friends in the era of the internet couldn't keep in touch for 10 years including the main couple who confessed to each other multiple times and said they would marry"
These all feel awfully specific.

Btw, I agree with your main point. The point of a story is to deliver some sort of message. Happy or sad ending, it doesn't matter. The point is the payoff aligning with the core theme of the story.

>>279605145
This is kind of like hating your dog because he is dumber than a human.

>>279605176
It's moreso the disappointment at the realization that a woman is about as good as a pet. You're not finding a partner. You're taking on a responsibility.

>>279604213
>That sounds like hell
You mean the kind of hell that brought humanity this far? Sounds to me you are either a snowflake faggot or an actual unironic incel.

>>279598961
>mature vibes like [completely different story in a different genre]
I can tell you're probably the type of kid who watches grimdark shit and thinks it's mature and deep. You're the kind of weirdo who's only watches animu for the ~aesthetics~ and ~vibes~ and despises upbeat stories like a little girl who writes "realistic" fanfiction of shit like Harry Potter.

>>279599690
Any dumbass comparing fma2003 and Monster is presumably a retarded preteen because surely an adult wouldn't compare a fantastical action show to a crime drama.

>>279605211
Funny you say that, because all the greatest advancements and accomplishments that got us this far, were done by few exceptional people who did NOT settle for the 9 to 5 grind. If you think the majority of the cattle that need to be entertained and occupied are responsible for mankind actually being WORTH something, then boy, you are naive.

>>279605205
Yeah and people love pets, them being retarded doesn't really matter.

>>279605238
Sure, but I don't see how that contradicts my point to that person's reply. That person is essentially:
>Have sex, then you'll see the value in a family
But the modern family has nothing of value to offer for the man. In the past, you had ownership over your female pet. Today, getting married is all sacrifice for no gain. Having sex only busts the myth we're indoctrinated with, that somehow, women are equal to men, rather than the truth, they are a responsibility we have to bear in order to sustain a stable society.

Having sex only makes it clear just hard our generation has been screwed over.

>literally everyone else:
>FMA is good
>the same four /a/ schizos for over a decade:
>nah it isn't look at this picture

>>279605293
>modern family
See now you are conflating things, what would a medieval society have to do with a modern family?
>today
Yeah you are just completely off track, we were talking about anime remember?

>>279605363
FMA isn't medieval though.

>>279605367
Seems like most anime are though, and It's not modern either.

>>279605381
FMA is LITERALLY modern era, lmao. They have trains, which means it's post-industrial. Which means late 1800s. That is BY DEFINITION, the modern era.

We're closer to FMA's time frame, than FMA is to medieval times. You're off by nearly 1000 years.

>>279599013
Is the cute crossplayer girl supposed to make me hate FMA?

>>279605396
>1800s is modern
Semantics, and retardation, also you just shot yourself in the foot.
None of the "modern" problems you keep complaining about existed then and they still had a functioning society.

>>279595097 (OP)
The ending is alright, the thing is it’s a story where people commit horrific things in an attempt to play god (like MC) and genocides happen. Just going ‘it’ll all be fine and work out somehow’ seems like a cop out, could’ve been more satisfying if they really went into this stuff rather than focusing on Father’s gang of generic villains

>>279605420
Disagree, western society always worshipped women even since medieval times and regardless FMA:B is like 1930s dieselpunk, which is literally modern society where women were sexually liberated and freely hypergamous.

>>279605420
It's not semantics, you're the one stupid enough to think that an industrial society was medieval. There's no walking back a statement that stupid.

Second, that person's post was about fiction's relation to real life. FMA, like, most manga, isn't an accurate depiction of its time period. It modernized in every sense of the word, because it's written by a modern person. You wanna see how women in the 1800s were actually treated, read Frankenstein for example.

Additionally, the post that poster was replying to, was talking about how a lot of manga, such as FMA, MHA, Bleach, etc... depict an ending where the hero stops being a hero as "ideal." Which is very much a modern Japanese opinion. To which, the dumbass poster you're unironically defending said "have sex."

No actually, most Hero's Journeys from eras bygone did not end with the hero becoming a family man. That is 100% a modern take. It has nothing to do with "medieval times." You're just a fucking dumbass.

>>279605687
They couldn't even vote, and you got your timeline off by an entire generation.

>>279605720
I never called fma medieval you are just not smart enough to follow along with a conversation.

>>279605737
Then what DID you refer to as medieval in a FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST thread you stupid piece of shit? My Hero Academia?? The other recently popular series that ALSO ended with the MC losing his powers and settling for the 9-5.

>>279605757
>what DID
It's all right there where you can still read it, not that it will matter what with you being so stupid and all.

>>279598961
>was better because it had mature seinen vibes
you sound 14, dude

>>279605771
I don't see you mention a single anime in any one of your dumbass posts to me. Don't @ me again you stupid motherfucker. I'm tired of entertaining you.

>>279605849
Yeah I'm sure crying all the time like you are is bound to make you tired, you don't need a bedtime story do you?

>>279595097 (OP)
>never was proven wrong about god being fake

>>279605170
I forgot the first one, is probably in my dropped list but yeah, after many dramatic tribolations the girls randomly dies in a car crash 1 chapter before the end.
Second is Domestic Kanojo, third is Oshi No Ko and fourth is Medaka Box.
Medaka also has the problem that despite featuring a cast of young people that challenge society they simply end up conforming to it rather than really questioning or changing its values with a very japanese ending and the real problems were hardly adressed so they had to make up new ones.

>>279605205
>You're taking on a responsibility
Even in the best case scenario, where you find a partner that is a equal to you I think this is still true and something I don't think Harem understand, or maybe do understand making their protagonist a narcissist who rather be revered than take on the responsibility that entails a relationship.

>>279606083
>something I don't think Harem understand
This book had a bunch of harems in it actually, just not for the MC.
Each wife would get their own home and hardly ever interact with each other. That's quite a lot of money and resources to set up.

>>279606142
>she thinks she can say no

>>279595327
Its some buck broken tranny externally spamming the board hoping other retards will hope on the hate "bandwagon". 2003 is glizzy gobbling goygruel and always will be

>>279605727
Suffrage was obtained post WW1 in the cuntry I inhabit but I’m talking about the sexual revolution of the swinging 20s. FMA takes place after then (literal parallel to Third Reich) and shows things like casual dating and women having full rights so… Even before then women slutting around was just an open secret rather than actually forbidden.

>>279595327
I'm oldfag enough to remember how this board was defending FMAB, cause and "it followsd the manga".

>>279606223
>sexual revolution
That was the sixties, god you really are retarded.

>>279606140
The funny thing is, this is the natural structure of human society if you think about it. It aligns naturally with the biological predispositions of both sexes.

One extremely masculine, successful, and capable man having multiple women, each one with their own home, caretakers, etc...

Powerful men reproduce and their genes create powerful offspring. They can easily spread their seed around into multiple women. Low tier men do not pass on their defective genes.

Women's natural disposition for hypergamy is met. They fulfill their role as caretakers. Which allows the men to focus on their personal goals and legacy.

This whole monogamous, we are equal nonsense has only lead to rampant infidelity, a sense of entitlement from shit tier men, the proliferation of shit genetics, and simps putting women on a pedestal, giving them equal status that they do not only not deserve, but also don't know what to do with.

Founding fathers had it right. Only men with property should vote. If you fail to climb up the meritocratic ladder, you don't deserve to reproduce. Simple as.

>>279606246
It was the 20s you dumbass.

>>279606280
go look up the word hippie, also kill yourself

>>279606294
Look up first wave feminism. Also, you first.

>>279595327
>03 was unironically better in pacing
>brotherhood gets unbearable by the time Mira is introduced
>the suffer porn reminds me of shitty ben stiller flicks
>90% of non-sword fights are based on the same types of boring all-range attacks
>it takes forever to get to the point
All that would be ok if people just wanted to talk about FMAB, but they want to worship it and spread its word like fucking jehova witnesses. FFS, it's just an 8/10 anime that stays consistently inside this score but fails to deliver anything as deep as it sets out to. The farm show is unironically better.

>>279599958
nah, most notorious goes to sakura fish kun

>>279606312
>the idyllic retro shtick that fallout is famous for, the era of white picket fences when women are stuck pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen
Oh I see, this must be set in the 1850s, because otherwise the women would be all free and happy and the hippies would have nothing to complain about, since obviously that's what happened in the 1920s.

>>279606384
It began there. The world wars and their consequences are probably the most devastating things to happen to western civilization and Europe as a whole.

Dude nazis lmao was the worst ending

>>279606440
>The sexual revolution, also known as the sexual liberation, was a social movement that challenged traditional codes of behavior related to sexuality and interpersonal relationships throughout the Western world from the late 1950s to the early 1970s.
I seriously don't know how you are this retarded, you can easily look this shit up.

>>279606505
Bro, read any first person accounts, books or whatever from the early 1900s and they’ll talk about the casual sex they had with girls next door or their gfs perhaps sexual frustration and mockery for having no luck with fornicating etc. Casual sex was common even back then, if you seriously think this started in the 60s IDK what to tell you.

>>279606527
>read
Yeah, you can start by googling that sentence I just quoted you fucking moron.

>>279606548
Look everybody knows about the Sixties. What I’m arguing is that western women were still whores before then, you seem to think they were suppressed trad girls or something.

>>279606582
>reading? Nah I don't do that

>>279606593
Look, do you actually think women were oppressed virgins before the 60s or not?

>>279606648
>do you actually think
I do, unlike you.

>>279599239
I don't it's bait. I think some people are genuinely so illiterate, they don't understand the point of those scenes. Every single time it pops up, you have a good chunk of people who didn't get it.

>>279595097 (OP)
Happy ending = badly written is just a psydointellectual bullshit pushed by the left that has never been happy once in their lives

>>279606819
>psydointellectual

>>279603170
It really depends on what you consider part of the ending. Do you just view the conclusion after the final fight as the ending? Or also the final fight itself and how it the protagonist(s) beat the insurmountable big bad. Cause for the latter they're all various degrees of bullshit. Same goes for Toriko which suddenly rushed the gourmet world to end. But the last two or so chapters were actually nice.

>>279606860
>LOTGHpseud is also a grammar nazi

>>279606912
>so stupid he thinks spelling and grammar are the same thing

>>279606860
"a bullshit" is also wrong and something I see way too much.

>>279595097 (OP)

An ending being good or bad is not related to it being happy or sad but about how organically or forcefully it fits the story it´s part of.

>>279595327
it's just one schizo who liked 03 and is still seething over Brotherhood being the more popular adaptation. i do like 03 more as an anime, but the manga is unbeatable.
shame brotherhood, like hxh 2011, failed to be the "complete adaptation"

>>279606980
>Blackmail? But I don’t see any black envelopes in the post box!

>>279605211
you are the same bitch that uses incel when it has nothing to do with the topic, how he is even an incel? he just said he doesn't like to have a family. I don't agree with him but what has that to do with not being a virgin? what a fucking retard

>>279595097 (OP)
I liked FMAB's ending. I think they don't actually conclude the plot threads involving Amestris' militarism and the Ishvalan Extermination though.

The original FMA anime goes into the problem with Amestris as a society way more. FMAB kind of just blames the homonculi for it, and doesn't go deep enough into how Amestris itself was already a sick & twisted society to be capable of carrying out the Ishvalan Extermination. Mustang will try to restore Ishval as atonement, but as soon as Mustang is no longer Kaiser Amestris will probably begin carrying out atrocities again.

>>279598961
>>279605225
AoT is super grimdark but when you start to think about the ending it's not only morally disgusting but pretty stupid.

>>279607670
Cursing all men/women because of one bad encounter that happened to (You) is the hallmark of an incel/femcel. Also this
>he doesn't like to have a family
is something I actually agree with and I still think both of you are retards.

>>279603170
Most popular manga don't have good endings due to the episodic structure & especially due to the weekly release schedule. HBO miniseries, movies, and 13-26 anime runs are often way better since they're planned. It's pretty easy to see, the problem isn't just filler.

>>279607872
I think you are being too harsh on Agisang-eo Ollie Tululutulu

>>279604213
How old are you? There's really not much else to do besides get a job of some sort. Doesn't have to be a 9/5 if you're intelligent and motivated. Most endings don't imply the characters are going to do nothing but show up to work for the rest of their life. Most shonen protags end up in positions of extreme influence and try to better their society.

>>279608045
>would you like fries with that?

>>279595327
The "hate" are shitposters FMA is genuinely a terrific show and it's just people being mad "No I don't like it as much it's not actually kino"

Imagine for example thinking for a single second that your opinion on Godfather 2 matters

>>279608192
okay boomer

>>279608192
I dunno man, you sure run a lot of defense for it for not needing to allegedly

>>279608098
I work from home & never work overtime. I was interested in the subject I work with from a young age. During downtime I study or practice stuff I'm interested in. Even if I didn't need to have a job, no one is available from 9-5 to hang out with. If you didn't have a job, you'd just pursue a different one that you're more passionate about or find more interesting, so for now get an chill one that pays well. Military or startup "adventure" bullshit gets old fast i know from exp.

>>279595327
The board doesn't hate FMA, its literally ONE schizo making a daily FMAB hate thread

>>279604213
Why would you want characters you like to constantly risk their lives, endanger the lives of their loved ones through association, and struggle against ludicrously high stakes for the rest of their lives, never knowing peace?
I hope you're not a city or suburb dweller dreaming about how great things would be if the rule of law disappeared

>>279600672
Everyone has a gate connected to their god. Because of it, they can use alchemy. Ed traded his for Al's body. Now, even with knowledge, he cant perform alchemy because he doesn't have a gate. Lets say he is blocked off of the energy used for alchemy. Maybe he could try using Earth's energy like the chinese girl does but I think it still needs to pass thru one's gate to activate

>>279601656
Non living things too

>>279608545
There are actually some manga/anime chars like this and the authors usually treat them as disordered. Berserk does a good character study on this behavior with Griffith.
Sounds like the other guy has something to prove because he's insecure and he hates seeing someone just chill and better their community in a sustainable way.

>>279605236
>he disdains normal people & thinks he's comparable to the greats of history because he looks down on media aimed at teenage boys
lmao

>>279608687
That homosexual trash doesn't do anything right.

>>279608821
Berserk is pretty good through the golden age arc as a cautionary tale about ambition & tying yourself to ambitious people. The worst thing you can say about it is that it meanders afterwards.

>>279599013
Why the fuck would I give a fuck about what the niggers over at MAL are doing

>>279608875
I'm sure it might seem that way to you because you like watching men have sex.

>>279608687
Funny how even irl it's always young men with zero stake in society who decide it's alright to fuck things up. No job, no house, no family to provide for, no purpose, etc, so they don't actually lose or risk anything by fucking up the place they live in. The ones that lash out via keyboard are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to eventually gain a stake in society, once the get over their edgelord phase

>>279595097 (OP)
picture unrelated?

>>279597118
yeah but Frieren's main message is that women should explore their feelings, which makes it a shoujo in disguise, really

>>279604386
just because you have worn every single pair of cargo sorts doesn't mean you are an expert at fashion

>Hence shonen has the highest IQ reader base.
why are shounenfags always so deseprate to seem smarter than they really are

The only truly bad happy ending I've seen is Tokyo Revengers.
When I read that I went back and reevaluated that a lot of endings I used to shit on just weren't that bad after all.

>>279600392
I love fights where both sides get hit a lot and get visibly exhausted and increasingly damaged. What's this show called?

>>279598927
>>279598961
>>279599070
>>279599090
>>279599201
The meds, funnyschizo

>>279596223
And that's why 2003 is garbage. Don't get me wrong, the vibes were great, but the only way to watch it is with your brain turned off.

>>279595504
What kind of endings do non-sheepcattlenormalfags like?

It's mostly 2003 faggots being uppity about Brotherhood.

>>279610000
s.CRY.ed
It's an extremely stupid trash show with horrible writing, almost no plot, good music and good fights

>>279595327
FMA drops its premise which is Ed and Al finding a way to get their bodies back for about 3/4ths of the manga, it becomes all about defeating Father, then immediately after he's defeated Ed decides to sacrifice his alchemy to get Al back and it works. There's no buildup or new knowledge he just spontaneously realizes he can do it and could have all along.

I like 2003 more because it reminds more of the kinship with my brother.

>>279604213
This is why I deleted S*nny B*y immediately after watching. It's just propaganda from the overlords trying to get us to wageslave obediently.

>>279605145
>>279605293
Christ told you to love your wife as you love the church. You have hatred in your soul. You're a disgrace and don't deserve a loving wife and family. You're rotten.

>>279601643
>>279601656
>>279602537
>samefaggotry

>>279595097 (OP)
>I don't understand
>badly written.

"hurr drr durr writing" is the cope of copes of fat weebs that never stfu about their big fat opinions. how on earth do barely literate esls even know what good writing even is when they have never read a book.

>>279610812
>mfw a scathing review is written in broken english and full of grandiose words
100% a spic/jeet lmao
But speaking of books, I recently read some schizo ass book reviews and realized that some normalfags might be even more deranged than pretentious weebs

>>279611593
>normalfags
i maintain that book readers cannot by definition be normalfags. inb4 smut. reading books takes effort and it's not passive. also it doesn't have pretty pictures.
normalfags are cultural NPCs. they go with the flow. weebs are more likely to fit in that description because anime is easy to consume and digest. posting memes on 4chan doesn't mean you are not a normalfag.

weeb anons pretend they have a higher appreciation of art by referring to the elusive idea of a higher degree of writing. when they never read half a pamphlet in their lives. i bet it's the same esls that love to boast how they learnt English through movies and vidya. it shows. your english is dogshit bros, read a book.

>>279611884
I remember reading Moby Dick and the author just goes on the stupidest and longest tangents, entire chapters dedicated to ocean currents or migratory patterns. He just straight up doesn't even know how to tell a story. Literally the worst isekai trash you have seen this month is just a better story.

I don't understand why anime fans police each other's opinions so hard. It's really the only medium that's this bad as far as I can tell. It's not even a weeb thing because manga people don't really care and just read what they read.

>>279612611
>anime fans police each other's
anime and manga are easy to consume = overabundance of opinions. and some weebs cope by pretending they know "good writing"

>>279613226
Manga people really don't do it though. Although I guess specifically by manga people I don't mean shonen tourists that would never read anything that doesn't have an anime going.

>see picture of tobu
>bruh that's obito
for me the most annoying thing about weebs is their disregard for spoilers. im not saying this because im personally being spoiled much rather i realize how some anime/manga "fans" don't give a fuck about the thing they are discussing. they don't consider it worthy of respecting.

>>279613426
>Manga people really don't do it though.
That's very true, bunch of loser virgins really.

>>279613426
>shonen
im sorry i'll say this but here you are being the typical pretentious weeb by looking down on shounen.

>>279613490
I actually like spoilers, there is a lot of trash out there you can dodge with a little warning, and you know you have read your favorite several times anyway.

>>279595097 (OP)
I'm a more extreme version of this. In my books, unhappy, tragic or bittersweet ending = badly written. An ending like that ruins a show for me in its entirety, and the primary emotion I feel when experiencing such an ending is hate towards the writer(s). The job of the writer(s) is to come up with a story that I find entertaining, and if they write an unhappy, tragic or bittersweet ending, they have failed in their job.

Also the end of FMA would have been better if Ed had retained his alchemical abilities. A blemish on a story that could have otherwise been 10/10.

>>279595097 (OP)
Because a lot of authors don´t have the skills to write happy endings without betraying the work´s internal logic in the process.

>>279613538
I should say social media hype shonen tourists then, I'm talking about a very obvious class of people that would never read any manga without an anime and that are emotionally committed to their fandoms, they try to police other people same as other anime fans. I'm not talking about people that read shonen incidentally

>>279610118
We enjoy endings like those in Mushoku Tensei. Enjoyable, fulfilling, satisfying.

>>279612611
I've seen it just as bad in manga. And then there is video games to round out the holy trinity of internet tribalism. I think this happens because of their relative accessibility and their audiences consisting of mentally stunted manchildren, actual children, and those who think they are intellectually above the medium they consume.

>>279608875
I fucking hated the golden age arc. I might have enjoyed it if all the parts that involved Griffith were all cut off but as it is it's pretty fucking shit.

I enjoyed Berserk a lot more after that slog was done, my favourite arc in Berserk is lost children. And I really love the JRPG party 'zerk too, especially the bits with lots of Schierke.

>>279607851
I think the military/civil war side is the highlight of FMA.

>FMAB kind of just blames the homonculi for it, and doesn't go deep enough into how Amestris itself was already a sick & twisted society to be capable of carrying out the Ishvalan Extermination.
The massacres were coordinated blood sacrifices with the help lunatics like Kimblee done undercover by the big goverment. There was a top down motivation to incite bloodbaths in select locations. Sure there would still be feud, but it wouldn't be necessarily handled in such a heavy handed way since there's no distinct goverment-backed goal of death.

>>279614196
Videogames are nowhere close to as bad as anime. There's a lot of shitting on other people for the sake of sadism but not "it's important that everyone agrees with me that Mario Kart is objectively important"

>>279614333
Literally every multiplayer game I've ever played there's a community of losers who play it but then say they fucking hate it and in some games they're the majority.
This is the case for tekken, street fighter, counter strike, valorant, dead by daylight, call of duty, etc.

>>279613640
that's just your fucking opinion, dude.

>>279615116
And my opinion is objectively correct.

>>279614277
The problem is everyone in the military knew about it and did nothing. They haven't become a society where they prevent that sort of thing from occurring. Anyway I don't think FMAB had to cover everything, I liked its ending. Maybe a different series can cover that idea. Legend of the Galactic Heroes tries to explore it a bit.

>>279615287
>everyone in the military knew about it and did nothing
About the intentionality of it all? The top brass who's running the show, absolutely. Lower ranks, not so much until they have their own skin in the game. There's the militaristic pressure to keep it under wraps to retain their position and location.

>>279615141
You are proving >>279612611's point.

>>279615701
He doesn't have a point, he just doesn't understand. I can explain why, the reason why I do it is because the more ridiculed tragedy/cuck fags are, the less likely it is that more stories catering to them appear. If I could hate every author and fan of sad endings or cheating/cuckoldry to death, I would do it in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, that's not possible, so I'll have to settle for demeaning them. The effect might be slight, but it's there. And, perhaps my words will spark an inspiration in some hero that takes one for the team and shanks a tragedy author to death.

>>279614333
>Videogames are nowhere close to as bad as anime
They're exactly as bad. The 7th generation's effect kicking now have pissed off a lot of people.... that still pay for it like the retards they are.

>>279609703
I'll give him credit in some aspects but yeah......his 3 episode rule isn't really all the valid.

>>279614196
You ever seen /tv/? Its like /a/ on kookyroids.

Here's my chance to post this abomination again.

>>279617019
Saving this.

>>279616212
Oh, ok. I understand the plight since I've been doing the same to a thing I wanted to kill off. Anyway, mentioning cuckshit in the other post would've prevented so much confusion and probably the other guy from engaging as well, I thought you were one of those cozytroons who get the ick from any kind of downer ending at all.

>>279595327
Your mistake is attempting to rationalize it. This is the contrarian website. People here hate FMA because it's popular and then try to rationalize it afterwards.

>>279599201
>>279604213
>>279598961
These are a few examples of the """critique""" that FMA enjoyers are up against.

Quite the contrary, amigonigger.

>>279617723
I do get the "ick" from any kind of a downer ending at all.

>>279618296
Are you having a giggle? Women love tragedy, rape and cuckshit. Why else do you think trash like Titanic and 50 shades are so popular?

>>279618544
no joke, I just know

>>279600672
Are you genuinely retarded?

Sometimes you end up not getting what you want but discover you're better off without it along the way.

>>279618823
but sometimes, you get what you need

>>279610429
Motherfucker he didn't just sacrifice his alchemy, he sacrificed his truth. He had to find himself and the show built up to it every arc, specially in those last 3/4

>>279595504
>Bittersweet endings are a really easy way to emotionally invest the average sheepcattlenormalfag into your writing.
Anon the problem here is that this anime follows a serious theme that involves immortality , death and transmutations giving a happy ending to this story ruins pretty much everything.

>>279617019
hilarious

>>279595097 (OP)
Because "and they lived happily ever after" is neither interesting nor realistic in a setting that had dark elements. A good bittersweet ending is ironically much more satisfying despite not being 100% happy.