Is it really necessary to finish an entire series that has multiple sagas?

I only found out recently that Yu Yu Hakusho had more arcs after the Dark Tournament since I was a toonami babby with it, so I always thought that was the real ending of it

after getting into chapter black I felt like the series lost some luster and prestige since after chapter black it was cliff hanger ending and I didn't even want to bother with the 3 kings arc at all, which is a shame since I thought everything was already wrapped up nicely ending with toguro's saga and now that was just cheapened.

then I realize other series are the same
>Dragonball you can consider the namek saga an ending and not bother with the rest
>then again you could also consider the cell games to be a proper Dragon ball finish
>arguably the 23rd budokai saga if you want to be extra boomer
>Bleach could've ended with the aizen saga
>One Piece, would've wrapped up nicely if it was rewritten to end by alabasta
>but I can honestly say you can end the series with the alabasta saga to get a sense of satisfaction in a way

>>279599061 (OP)
It's not necessary to do anything but eat, shit, and die. But if you like a series and characters, you usually want to see more of it, even if it's not all up to the same level of what came before. I could maybe agree with that mindset on a rewatch, but not even being able to have an informed opinion on something you're supposed to be a fan of is kind of silly imo. Can't even imagine not having seen Buu Saga or One Piece beyond Alabasta. YYH's last arc is underwhelming but short enough you might as well finish it. Bleach...yeah, I kind of agree.

>>279599349
The cell games and buu saga are both unnecessary since there's nothing that hints them beforehand at least with One Piece you know that there is more out there

>>279599061 (OP)
Imagine having your favorite things that you post about constantly are garbage you can't even stomach finishing.

>>279599402
Could Toriyama have stopped after Namek and tied things up neatly? Sure. But for I and millions of other people moments like Gohan going SS2, Father-Son Kamehameha, Majin Vegeta's sacrifice, fusion, Goku going SS3, and etc. are iconic and the franchise wouldn't be the same without them. It's fine and even a fairly common opinion to think DBZ was at its best during Namek,(personally I love the android/cell saga more so I can't relate) but I wouldn't be able to take someone seriously as a Dragon Ball fan if they never watched beyond that point at all and just went off other people's opinions.

>>279599590
>take someone seriously as a Dragon Ball fan
lol, enjoy your summer

>>279599590
that is what I mean, Chapter Black had its moments but still I think the series would have more prestige if it just wrapped up at DT, same with Dragonball wrapping up by the namek saga, no shit you can milk a franchise when is successful, look at evangelion it got milked even when it was done too

>>279599402
Well, there's nothing that hints at the villains of the Cell Saga, but Goku out in space and Gohan's hidden potential clearly had to have some pay off, while he was still weaker than base Vegeta by the end of Namek. Everything that people propose to "end at the Freeza Saga" also requires changing a bunch of its actual conclusion.

>>279599634
>Misses the point entirely
>Juvenile nonsensical response
Nice telling on yourself, zoomer.

>>279599641
Maybe. The Dark Tournament's my favorite YYH arc as well, but there's no shortage of Chapter Black fans. The last arc was actually supposed to be bigger but Togashi got sick and rushed it. In DBZ's case I'm a lot less sure since there are so many huge moments post Namek. Though "the story would've been better if it ended here" and "I don't want to continue the existing story beyond this point" are two separate discussions. Evangelion's a different case since it was already completed and the Rebuild movies are an alternate retelling.

>>279599992
>Misses the point entirely
There is no point. The story doesn't matter in dragon ball. It's ends whenever your puberty ends.

>Chapter Black critics
Okay, genius, how would (You) have ended it?

>>279600089
by not existing

Nobody's forcing you to do anything but most people are going to want to continue something they like. Even if later stuff is lackluster, if you like the characters it can still be enjoyable.

>>279600429
I don't see why not, it was a good arc for the most part and wasn't the first time an arc boss got beaten by something silly

>>279600031
kek

>>279600031
if that's true then there's probably a lot of dragon ball for you to look forward to. you're very lucky.

>>279600485
>humans are... le real demons!

>>279600089
Reading it when it was storytimed a couple years back, the biggest problem people had with it was Sensui's six personalities thing. It feels like it's setting up for some kind of payoff, then... there just isn't one. He just suddenly reveals he has six personalities mid-fight, brawls with Yusuke as the strong guy a bit, then turns into the ultimate one and that's kind of the end of it.

The anime did clean up the pacing a bit, but it felt really fucking random in the manga.

>>279600697
grvke

>>279600570
>no u

>>279600089
Easy. YYH ends after Dark Tournament

>>279600089
With the arc ending when Yusuke traps Sensui into a close-quarters brawl, then beats the shit out of him.

>>279600804
the fact that one of them was "female" wtf

>>279599061 (OP)
No. Maybe on a first watch if you're enjoying the series and want the author's "intended" ending. But honestly, fuck what the author thinks. I only watch series up until the point of satisfaction. When I rewatch Bleach I only watch till end of the Soul Society. When I rewatch The Monogatari series, I only rewatch Bake and the Kizu movies. I know there are more arcs and sequels but I only watch up to the point where I'm satisfied and don't need anymore to feel content. I see no value in forcing myself to watch parts of a long-running series that are objectively inferior to the beginning story arcs. I don't want to be 90+ episodes, or even years, into a series where your only opinion on the series is "remember when this was better?" I don't want to taint any positive memories with a series knowing it gets worse later.

It's why I don't understand Marvel and Star Wars fans hating the direction the movies have taken, but still force themselves to watch it, because it's a sequel/continuation.

>>279599061 (OP)
The last Arc Is short

chapter black is still fine but 3 kings is fucking trash

>>279600888
>I see no value in forcing myself to watch parts of a long-running series that are objectively inferior to the beginning story arcs
I actually think Second Season is better than most of Bake.

>>279600888
>I see no value in forcing myself to watch parts of a long-running series that are objectively inferior to the beginning story arcs.
How do you know they're inferior if you don't watch them? You just blindly listen to what other people think and don't bother thinking for yourself? Kizumonogatari is shit by the way. And Bakemonogatari being the peak of the series is a terrible fucking meme.

>>279600804
The presentation in the anime really did a lot of heavy lifting for that arc

>>279600955
>How do you know they're inferior if you don't watch them? You just blindly listen to what other people think and don't bother thinking for yourself?
Yes and no. I used to watch long series up to completion, which is why I have this mindset now. And yes, I do sometimes listen to what other people think. If I'm enjoying a series and enough and the only things I hear about a sequel is that 'it's bad, don't watch it.' 5/10 mal score negative reviews etc. I'm not going to waste my time watching it. It's not blindly listening to what people think, it's doing my own research and judging based on that if I want to continue or not.

>>279599061 (OP)
From an intellectual point of view YYH is interesting because postdark tournament you can almost immediately see the transition from Dragon Ball to HxH.

>>279601143
The later parts of Monogatari are rated well on most sites though so what exactly are you using to consider them bad enough that you don't think you'll want to watch them? You brought up MAL and the second season is 0.4 points higher than Bake on there.

>>279601210
I'm not talking about the monogatari series in particular. I'm speaking in general terms. I've seen up to the second season of the monogatari series. I thought it was inferior to Bake. I'm not going to rewatch dozens of episodes and sequels I don't like, when I can just rewatch Bake again and have a better time. I rewatch the parts I like and ignore parts I don't like.

>>279600888
yeah I get this feel a lot

I can revisit One Piece arc by arc atleast from East Blue to Enies Lobby and have a blast binging it again but once I get to fishman island I'm like HELL NO you have to pay me to consume that arc again

>>279599061 (OP)
I don't necessarily care. DBS is the definition of an optional sequel. It's there if you need thing to watch, you opt to watch it. Cell-Buu are 9.8/10 to earlier parts 10/10, they keep the spirit. You could end at freeza thanks to plot structure but not recommending that in this case.

>>279599061 (OP)
Watch it until it stops entertaining you. You are your own boss you can do whatever you want. With that being said yeah basically every shounen runs past its expiration date in the pursuit of milking the cash cow dry. You can basically pinpoint the moment in every shounen where the mangaka just started padding it out.

>>279601192
and then back to dragon ball

>>279603465
It is cool how he re-used Sensui's armor stuff for some HxH characters, specifically Palm

>>279600697
Togashi was trolling with this, but now basically every anime has something like that and it's treated as an interesting read or twist.

>>279599061 (OP)
It's a shame. Chapter Black is amazing right until it falls off a cliff during Yusuke v.s. Sensui. I don't think I have ever experienced a quality drop that egregious before or since.

A strong set of characters can carry all sorts of lulls and dips. Usually that's how a manga starts, low stakes shenanigans that show the primary cast and dynamics before ramping up in stakes and conflict once you understand how the characters would act in these scenarios. However, Togashi's plan for the Three Kings in which Hiei, Kurama, and Yusuke would come to conflict with each other was either unpopular with his editors or too taxing on himself, so we get the wet fart at the end of it all.

>>279600697
Y-you can't have humans doing...BAD things! Humans are le good and soft and cuddly!

>>279599641
I like Chapter Black because it brings Yu Yu Hakusho back into the crazy mystical aspect of the show like at the beginning with Yusuke's egg and the three sacred treasures instead of just being a beat 'em up. The gang gets all OP then run into enemies they can't beat in a fight. It's so simple but most authors don't think to go there. Honestly one of my favorite moments in the show is right before the Three Kings truly begins where Yusuke is hanging out with his predecessor in the woods. It really just captures that vibe. I wish there were more anime like that.

Three Kings was a let down but I can't blame the mangaka too much. He was both sick and editorial didn't want to let him do the story he wanted anyways. Apparently the original arc was supposed to be a lot more introspective and break each of the main characters mentally before they all found ways of pulling themselves back together which would've been awesome given how YYH tended to handle stuff like that. Who knows where it would've went after that?