Why isn't Sonic popular in Japan?

>>279603573 (OP)
he's an alpha chad, not an insecure introvert

He was a character designed with the US market in mind

>>279603573 (OP)
Seems popular enough if he gets manga and anime.

>>279603573 (OP)
it was somewhat popular in the 2000s but since they doubled down of appealing to stupid ass americans that don't like sonic, more and more of it's japanese roots got phased out to the point there isn't any aside from the people working on it. how do they expect to appeal to japan when they removed everything they could like about it?

He's a vidya character therefore he's outside the usual animanga sphere who the Japanese interact more.
That's my amateur explanation, i might be completely wrong.

>>279603724
Sonic would be Alex Kidd 2.0 if it weren't for America. Show some respect, thirdie.

>>279603573 (OP)
>Why isn't Sonic popular in Japan?
The Mega Drive never really took off in Japan and the people who did buy it were more interested in arcade games. The Saturn did okay in Japan but Sonic was absent. His popularity picked up in the Dreamcast years because of the Adventure games but as we know, it was mostly downhill from there.
It's not that Sonic is unpopular in Japan, it's just that he never achieved Mario type status.

>no Sonic on THE Saturn
What were they thinking?

>>279604391
>only sonic games on the saturn were a port of 3D Blast, Sonic R, and Sonic Jam (ports of Sonic 1-3&K)

>>279604391
>>279604477
Saturn had soul

>>279603573 (OP)
Is there a manga equivalent to Sonic where japanese don't give a fuck about it yet it's popular with westerners? I was going to say Undead Unluck but that just isn't popular in general, so Trigun might be a better fit

>>279604488
that "soul" doesn't mean much if 90% of the games that matter didn't get released outside of japan, now does it?

>>279603682
He gets anime and manga in an attempt to boost his popularity.

>>279604159
The Mega Drive only took off in the west because NEC screwed up with the western release of the PC Engine.

>>279604515
There's some mecha franchises that are much bigger in the west than Japan because they were so generic they could only appeal to people that weren't getting all the other similar but better competitors.

>>279603573 (OP)
He has a slightly aggressive looking face which is scary to the japanese

>>279604520
Being inaccessible to grubby western fingers is what gives it soul. Nevermind that the audience SOA was aiming for in the 90s didn't want to play "lame 2D Jap games."

Nah the really answer is because he is face of furry, while Jap is normie land that hate furry
Name me one furry character that is popular

>>279604791
Also 0 good Human Female
Mario have Peach
Sonic have like... what? Maria, who die for at least 15 year

>>279604756
Being inaccessible to grubby western fingers is why it's considered a flop, too. SoA being retarded didn't help, either.
>>279604821
Maria's been dead for 24 years, which is longer than most sonic fans have been alive.

>>279604791

Some things just don't catch on the same way, and a character inspired by Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson probably has different appeal in America than Japan. Speaking broadly, the PC Engine and the Famicom took some of the Mega Drive's momentum out of the gate, and only the massive marketing push made Sonic huge in America. Sega was known for too many other things in Japan, to say nothing of the two branches being in such a bitter war with one another. He never quite got the firm foothold in Japan that so many other mascot sensations did.

>>279604791
Pikachu

Sonic being the mascot of a company that failed in the console market and has never done a console since dreamcast probably affects the popularity.

>>279604876
The Mega Drive was Sega's answer to the PC Engine, it only succeeded in places where the PC Engine wasn't around to steal their sales.

>>279603573 (OP)
People say it's because of his design or whatever, but that's not true. Sonic's design was actually perfect for the Japanese market, a balance of mascot cuteness and shonen manga coolness, he was designed to appeal to Japan more so than the US.
The real issue is the same reason why Dragon Quest never took off in the West - they fucked up the original release. It didn't come bundled with the Genesis in Japan, the Genesis itself wasn't selling nearly as well as it did in the US, and the ad campaign wasn't nearly as strong as the absolute genius Sega of America pulled. So Sonic didn't become a household name. Saturn was the first Sega console that actually succeeded in Japan, and the only two Sonic games on that console were Sonic R (lmao) and Sonic 3D Blast (which didn't even release in Japan).
By the time Sonic Adventure was released, Sonic's moment to shine had long passed in Japan. To this day, he has a following there, it's not like no one knows what Sonic is, but he's nowhere near the level of big mascots like Mario, Pikachu, or Hello Kitty.

I think Sonic character resonate good with japanese market though.

>>279603724
Americans hated the humans, except for the Pixar abominations from Unleashed.

>>279603573 (OP)
The Mega Drive japanese launch was a failure which would severely undermine the rest of its life there.

>>279604515
Elfen Lied.

>>279604515
Didn't Watamote only receive its anime adaptation due to its popularity here?

>>279605263
Kill them.

>>279603573 (OP)
Too cool.

>>279604515
Love me My Knight, a whatever shojo from the 80s with an unremarkable anime that didn't even get a proper ending due to the axe.
meanwhile in italy, adapted with the title "Kiss me Licia", it became so popular it spawned an entire franchise with several live action sequel shows.
that shit rivals hokuto no ken here in terms of "iconic 80s anime"

>>279605263
Sonic humans have always been shit. Look at Chris. What an abomination of a character.

>My dad is a rich CEO, and my mom is an A-list actress, and my grandpa is literally Doc fucking Brown from Back to the Future, I live in a mansion, and Sonic the Hedgehog is my best friend
>My character traits? Being a whiny bitch, and taking roles in the plot other characters served from the games

>>279605570
Chris felt emotionally neglected.

>>279605593
Yep. But they gave him so much child wish fulfillment to compensate. His uncle is also the world's best race car driver, and eventually chauffeur to the president of the United States.

>>279605570
Eggman is a human. It's dumb to hate on humans when the problem are dumb OCs.

>>279604515
>Undead Unluck
anon that shit is a huge flop and it is more popular in japan than western

>>279605570
Chris was rich simply because he needed to hide Sonic and friends, but the writers couldn't come up with a way for a normal kid to accommodate all the characters and their plane.
Which is kinda pathetic, there are so many far more interesting ideas they could've introduced by making Chris a normal kid.

>>279605663
Undead Unluck is unpopular because most people have no taste

>>279604515
>Unloved Unsold

>>279605877
Kill yourself

>>279603573 (OP)
Sonic is essentially an American mascot.

>>279604391
>>279604477
F for the 90s sonic fans that bought a Saturn expecting sonic

>>279605700
They should have made him Chris-chan.

it's not unpopular

Japanese loves CHADow.

>>279605570
His mom was hot though.

>>279603573 (OP)
No one under 30 remembers a good Sonic game. Only autistic retards are still attached to a platformer they played as a child.

>>279605877
do you see yourself still crying about the manga 10 years from now? a bit more and you'll turn into funnyschizo

>>279606637
You sound like you watched a youtube essay

>>279606637
It's thanks to the internet that anyone can play any game any time.

>>279603573 (OP)
Sonic is only popular to autistic freaks and retards.

>>279604391
Sonic Jam was on the Saturn and specifically aimed at introducing Sonic to Japanese audiences.

>>279610191
That’s like saying Saved by the Bell was on Adult Swim and specifically aimed at introducing live action shows to late night cartoon viewers

Sega of Japan's spite towards the American branch and how it used Sonic to outdo them.

>>279606637
Right in the feels. In Japan it hurts even more because it’s literally true.

>>279612549
This. Sega sabotaged the US out of jealousy that they managed to sell 10x more consoles and games. They purposefully sabotaged the saturn US launch and SOA went from selling 30+ million to basically dead. Sega was only ever alive outside of japan the saturn still sold a pitiful amount there.

Why is this thread here? It's not about the new manga that started today, it’s discussing the franchise as a whole.

I do really like the first game. It was very original for a 1991 platformer

>>279606637
>>279608863
Sonic unironically has a high IQ fandom that produces a lot of games.

>>279605498
>Fettine panate!

>>279612549
>>279612807

Hey boco, you fucking moron, the sega of japan spite thing is a fucking myth, just like most of WW2, how about you drop that shit where you pretend Sega of Amercia did no wrong and pushing other false myths.

We now know Kalinske was talking out of his ass

>>279603573 (OP)
He's popular over there, the fuck you on about? He might not be as popular but everyone knows him over there.

>>279603662
Wrong

>>279615726
>but everyone knows him over there
lol this video completely contradicts that. Japanese players didn't know who he was on the sonic team logo when they made NiGHTS as just one example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2VpAs7iRP0 You should also take a look at Sonic's sales in japan in comparison to other areas.

>>279615726
He is less popular than Korone...

>>279616362
But Sonic Frontiers

>>279616362
>using a retarded e-celeb video as proof

The utter state of autistic sonic fans. Either way, Sonic may not be popular in Japan as he is in the West (and I have no idea why he's that popular here other then autism and movies) but he's still recognizable as a video game figure, the way people might know about Kirby or Bomberman or Crash Bandicoot. If anything, I think Sonic is more well-known these days in Japan then at any other point in history.

>>279616362
Clickbait, stop this fake weird agenda.
>>279616584
Most likely true.

Why do Sonic fans do this east vs west shit when it's all mostly the same shit, even bitch about character designs being different even though it's same design just drawn by different artist like how capeshit works but people act like it's totally different thing. Man these fuckers are retarded as hell and they always care about numbers and shit too, everyone knows Sonic world wide just like Spongebob or something.

>>279605570
The real issue with Chris is that he should have only been relegated to one season at the most

>>279617114
Autism

>>279604515
Beast King GoLion was notorious for being an under-performing throwaway series in Japan, but Voltron (the American dub) was so popular it had FOUR America-exclusive sequels/reboots.

>>279617028
the "retarded e-celeb" provides sources, where's yours

Jun'ichi Kanemaru
Kōji Yusa

Peak

>>279603573 (OP)
Virtua Fighter is better

>>279617114
>Why do people do this sub vs dub shit when it's all mostly the same shit.

>>279615632

Oh, its quite true.

>"He said, 'Oh, I failed to explain something very important to you. Sega Japan hates Sega of America, and won't do anything to help us. And they will actually throw stumbling blocks in front of you. Have a good day!'"
>"They didn't trust us, and they didn't understand our market. So we would turn down titles, and they were insulted that we would turn down their side-scrolling shooting games. And at the upper levels, they really wanted us just to behave, to do what they wanted us to do, to be a carbon copy. And the two markets are very different from each other; you can't take a great game in Japan and assume it's going to be a great game in America."

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/05/wow-segas-american-and-japanese-offices-really-didnt-get-on-in-the-early-90s

And of course, theres SoJ getting pissed because their original Sonic design wasn't used.
>"When I finally asked, I was told that it was unsalvageable; that the character design was so bad, there were no comments that they could make that would help turn it into something saleable. What I heard was that they were going to be launching a project to 'educate' Sega of Japan about what good characters looked like. They were either very inspired by – or were going to be bringing in – Will Vinton, who, amongst other things, was famous for creating the California Raisins commercial. This was to show Sega of Japan how characters really needed to be designed. Of course, the game came out, we had a price drop on the hardware within the space of one or two months, and our sales went up by a factor of five. That was the end of any conversation about how bad a character Sonic the Hedgehog was!"
https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/01/sega-of-america-thought-sonic-was-unsalvageable-as-a-character

>>279604876
>and a character inspired by Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson probably has different appeal in America than Japan
If that's what you think then you don't know a lot about Late-Showa/Early Heisei Japan. America had a huge influence on Japanese media from the 80s and 90s. Sonic himself was also emblematic of the wave of Yanki delinquents that took heavily from American culture. Sonic himself is the embodiment of that culture too. The real issue was a bunch of other shit including the fact that Sonic was being marketed to the wrong people, even Yuji Naka said it.

"Right, once the plushies and stuff start coming out. It’s all a big dilemma for the character designer. When someone says “What’s wrong with cuteness…”, I point to Hello Kitty. Hello Kitty already owns the market in cuteness, and if Sonic heads too far down that path, I don’t think he will last very long as a character. We were thinking about the lifespan of the character over 10 or even 20 years… and we didn’t want to do anything that would kill him off in the long-term. "

>>279617114
America Sonic is more radical and eats cheeseburgers, Japan Sonic is more like Spongebob and he does not eat burgers ever, it's true source: uhh trust me

And I don't think I need to bring up the Eternal Champions thing.

>>279619370
No it's not, you fucking tripfag retard. Its amazing you lack the critical thinking skills to consider how ridiculous the premise is when you actually think about it. You really think a multimillion international company ruined itself because a bunch of board of directors in Japan were jealous of Sega of America? Like their pride outweigh the millions in revenue they were getting from Sega of America? Despite the fact that it was Sega of Japan that gave Sega of America the independence to do their own thing? If the board was really just butthurt over Sega of America, why didn't they just strip them of independence? They could have done it at any time. If you spend just a few minutes really think about it, you see a bunch of holes with this narrative already. It seems more likely that the company was badly managed, but no evidence that it was caused because a bunch of board members were "jealous".

And where is the origin myth of this shit? Well, it predates even Tom Kalinske own biased words. It seems to have come from a bizarre tendency of Westerners projecting their jealously and envy over the Japanese that they like to invent stories about how Westerners upstaged the Japanese, and the Japanese were just bitter and jealous. A similar fake story emerged from how Miyamoto was upset over Donkey Kong Country.

>>279617114
There are these subtle little differences that cause a lot of fucking autism. Like Naoto Ohshima saying Sonic is meant to be a "fairy."

>>279619370
>>279619425
Nice link you retard. Again, its funny how Sega of Japan was bitter and hated Sega of America because how dare those gaijins lecture them. Yet, apparently, Sega of Japan respected and took the time to take their input and implement them...except your own links how that Sega of America were fucking retards too and thought that Sonic inherent design was bad and would not be successful with American audiences. Gee, Sega of America really seemed to know what they were doing huh? Clearly Sega downfall was all due to jealous japanese salarymen.

The problem is that we know the Japanese side of the story, and there side corroborates more with the official data along with the leaks from Sega about their internal workings during the mid 90s.

Here is one example, if you only listened to Tom Kalinske side, you would think that Sega of America were geniuses who were about to secure a partnership with Sony and that those stubborn Japanese salarymen stopped those negotiations and allowed the Playstation to burn them in the long term. Then we hear the Japanese side about the actual negotiations between Sega and Sony and realized that Sony simply wanted Sega to abandon consoles and become a third party developer for Sony. There was never a genuine attempt by Sony at forming some equal partnership.

https://mdshock.com/2019/03/18/sega-and-sony-new-insight-into-the-partnership-that-never-came-to-be/

>>279619551
Why don't you bring up all the mistakes that Sega of America did? Like pushing for the 32x, the mistaken belief that the Sega Genesis alone would continue to pull the same numbers it did in 1992 in 1996. Manufacturing so much inventory that much of it would go unsold. Investing a bunch of money in game studios and FMV games for the Sega CD that never panned out. Tom Kalinske was asked to resign for not restructuring the company.

https://mdshock.com/2023/07/10/irimajiri-speaks-out-about-the-saturn-the-32x-and-soas-financial-troubles/

https://segaretro.org/File:SegaFY1997BrandReview_US.pdf

The fact of the manner is that Sega was never a well ran company on either side of the pacific, and nothing highlights that more then the poor communication between top management, the Saturn development team, and the arcade development team. The arcade side saw the 3D trend coming, the others didn't, or did, but there was nothing they could do about it until it was too late. The idea that Sega downfall comes from Sega of Japan intentionally sabotaging the American branch out of jealously is pure revisionist bs by a former Sega employee trying to make himself sound better then he actually was, especially given how often Sega of Japan would bend the knee to Sega of America demands.

>>279604391

>>279604488
Agreed.

>>279603724
At no point was Sonic ever popular in Japan, and most of that was because it tried WAY too hard to appeal to their sensibilities. Like, the first Sonic manga in Japan had Sonic as a superhero alter ego to some basic bitch kid.

They had no fucking clue how to actually market Sonic, because they had no confidence in the basic game pitch, which led to brand confusion and sabotaged any chance of Sonic gaining momentum.

>>279621837
Literally everything would've been fixed if they just started bundling Sonic 1 with the Mega Drive like SoA did with the Genesis. Instead, SoJ hated the idea and even picked a fight with SoA over it. Needless to say, it was an amazing PR stunt, and it easily solidified Sonic's position in the West (alongside the cartoon and the comic book). Meanwhile, SoJ fucked their golden opportunity as hard as they possibly could, not even bothering to introduce the very arcade-like Sonic into the game centers.

>>279603573 (OP)
It just isn't. They tried throwing anything at the wall for years to get the japs' attention but there was never any real long-term popularity.

The live-action movies' box office there is proof enough.

>>279604515
Cowboy Bebop?

>SoJ vs. SoA discourse
It was only a matter of time.

>>279603682
Still the same problem, I'm pretty sure Splatoon is more popular in Japan.

>>279620452
>>279620034
>>279619806
>>279615632
Do you have the sega retro link?

>>279603573 (OP)
Because some franchises are more popular in certain regions and countries while being unpopular in some regions and countries. Like for example Metroid is more popular in the west than Japan, they didn't give any fuck about Metroid until Dread came out.

>>279624581
This is true, goes to show Japanese can have some bad takes, heck they don't care for Avatar the Last Airbender for example, which one has to wonder if it's because of the Fire Nation being based on them given the Fire Nation is the antagonistic force in the story that would be turned away from it.

>>279622704
Cowboy Bebop originated as an anime, but it would fit as an anime equivalent of this.

>>279620034
>were about to secure a partnership with Sony
Why is it every time something fucked happens in the games industry, it's ALWAYS Sony that's behind it?

Dreamcast...
Soul

>>279621837
>At no point was Sonic ever popular in Japan
what about Sonic Frontiers?

Sonic wasn’t exactly popular in japan from the start since the mega drive (genesis for burguers) wasn’t popular there anyways and his arcade appearances were few and far between, after the first game was considered a hit they started developing more sonic games, they split into two branches, the sega technical institute for the “American” (it was developed with a bit more focus in america since it was situated there but it was still a very japanese product, all of the higher up in the sonic 2 project were japanese and so were most of the art and such, the sonic team basically was all japanese with still japanese intent) sonic and japanese sonic for cd, 3 was more of the of 2, in this time sonic was kind of american and japanese at the same time, the insides were japanese through and through but marketing was more american for america even spawning cartoons and for japan, well there was marketing hut just not that much
The saturn era was very japanese as was the saturn in general, sonic was pretty much dead here, they tried sonic x treme but it never released and such only survived the japanese sonic with jam
Then came the dreamcast era, the saturn was a hit in japan so the dreamcast was way more focused in japan a such was sonic with it’s shonen like story it had now and the much cooler design that was made to appeal to I should say the edgier anime era that was hitting up in the late 90s early 2000s, this boosted sonic back for a while but not ennough to save the dreamcast, now sega only makes games
Part 1/2

>>279624778
AtLA is overrated. It only has the reputation it does because the bar for western animation practically doesn't exist.

>>279604515
The Big O comes to mind. The second season exists solely due to international reception, but I imagine that's due to great resemblance to Batman TAS and Beyond, BITCH.

>>279625988
Part 2/2
Now Sega was kind of trying to find footing in an only games market, sonic was a hit in these early 2000s with it’s various ports of older games and some other smaller scale new games, now here’s the kicker, this wasn’t that popular in japan this era so it just started dwindling popularity, they tried an anime to keep it alive but it was for naught as it was a pretty shoddy anime anyways, hard to compete with the shonen at the time, this era with it’s well… re-releases started bringing interest to the series for the “adults” who played sonic when they were younger wich was the american audience, now the american audience has a foothold on sonic, the japanese don’t care anymore for it but the americans do, sega tries to find footing woth sonic still but disaster after disaster came, specially 06 wich was an awful game, disatrous visuals, disastrous gameplay, overall disaster, this one was the last one to try this more shonen esq style of story wich americans on the internet (the nostalgia “adults”) didn’t really like to add salt to the wound, so it was forever canned, not for only because of the bad rep the reviewers and old fans or whatever but it was just unsucceful in general and to never do that type of mistake again, shonen canned and thereforth was the japanese market, some games later that weren’t very good too comes unleashed, this game visual wise and such was as least just japanese sonic could be, this was american through and trough, sonic team was still mostly japanese but now the main appeal was the american market only, thsi was the final nail in the coffin
Years pass and now sonic is starting to reach back to japan, this is real recent mind you, the american and japanese videogame market has never been so intertwined so sega now it’s probably trying to merge it’s properties at all cost maximum success of both

>>279616287
how else do you explain his popularity with those on the spectrum then huh?

>>279625988
>>279626191
Zamn nigga

>>279624778
>heck they don't care for Avatar the Last Airbender for example

Why the fuck would they care for a watered down western shonen? Westerners hold that shit up on such a pedestal. We get it. Your mom didn't let you turn the channel to Toonami and watch DBZ.

>>279620901
>nights
now that's a blast from the past
>check fanart
>most of it is tagged as "1other"
??????????????

>>279604488
I remember occasionally seeing one video file posted to 2chan in Sega Saturn threads years ago of a CG-animated cutscene with an accompanying song (in English); what I remember best is a pair of stained glass windows fashioned after a pair of eyes, ostensibly inside a head-like structure. Not knowing what it was is driving me insane.

>>279615632
>Japan doesn't have any resentment towards the US
This is the fucking stupidest thing I've read today. What sucking tiny Japanese cock does to a motherfucker.

>>279604488
What, no Nocturne in the Moonlight?!

>>279606065
What anime?

>>279626006
name an anime better than AtLA, without naming one of the best anime of all time

>>279620901
I always wondered why the Saturn port of C&C95 didn't have its own SpecOps mini campaigns like the PS1 and N64 ports. If nothing else they could've at least just taken the N64 missions and rendered them in 2D.

>>279625027
Still can't believe Choukou Senki Kikaiou got a stateside release.

>>279620452
>fact of the matter
FTFY

>>279620452
Wtf was even the point of that? What were they trying to accomplish?

>>279627263
This disingenuous counter-argument does nothing to address my post. Even if I name one, you'd most likely nitpick some arbitrary flaw and come to the conclusion that because your percieved taste is better than mine, your logic must be infalliable. The irony here being that unlike the other anon that replied, I actually enjoyed AtLA to a degree.

The fact is that western animation has not broken out of its perception of the medium in that cartoons are either supposed to be for children with a single digit age or catering to crass adults like Family Guy or Simpsons (arguably I don't know if recent times have changed, I don't keep up with /co/ stuff). The fact is that AtLA has a badly written ending where when Aang is faced with a moral dilemma (kill the Fire Lord to save countless lives at the cost of going against his pacifistic nature), the show goes out of its way to present him with a convienent third option and gives him the ability to take away people's powers without killing. The fact is that nobody involved has been able to live up to the original's reputation and haven't came close to recreating the spark of the original since. But if you're just looking for an anime rec, go to /wsr/.

>>279627263
I can name a bunch of Western YA book series that would blow AtLA out of the water desu, they just never got proper animated adaptations.

>>279626006
There's a hundred animu that's kinda like AtlA. Are they Atla? Not really. But near vibes, yknow? You couldn't blame anyone for missing it. Teogonia this season has close-to-atla vibejings. It's something that isn't atla but you get the idea.

>>279625796
>sold 3 million copies across 5 platforms worldwide
Sonic Colors sold 1.2 million on the Wii alone. In 2010. Without a boost of interest from the movies. It's not impressive.

Introducing my Sonic OC, Piss the Poop

>>279628755
Nice, but can he beat my OC, Peenus the Weenus? :)

Anon the Human

>>279622704
This is 100% the anime equivalent.

>>279629323
Nah, Cowboy Bebop was quite popular in Japan.

>>279622066
The thing is that Sega was popular for their arcade games in Japan, but the Mega Drive was just stradding behind the PC Engine. It wasn't Sonic that made the Mega Drive a hit in burgerland, it was the lack of a PC Engine and licensed burger sportshit.

>>279604515
I'm definitely wrong, but Panty and Stocking?

>>279627240
Ben-To
It features a Saturn too

>>279619806
It's no different from people complaining about the differences between DBZ and it's various western interpretations. Do you not want localizations to be faithful to the source material? Why is this only an issue with Sonic?

>>279631399
Because they grew up on the changed version. It's the same reason retards worship the specific retooling of deebeezee they watched as a kid.

>>279631530
It's exactly the same with Sonic

>>279631634
That's literally what I said you retard.

>>279613664
Yeah, it's a classic for a reason.

>>279626191
Thanks Tien.

>>279631399
>>279631530
Bad comparison. Sonic has had so many different interpretations over the year, that there isn't a single canon "Japanese" concept that was washed away. Fuck, unless you think the manga where Sonic was an alternate superhero ego to "Nikky" is what Sonic should've always been (and I'm sure some snark will chime in and say yes). There were multiple canons being developed across the board in different continents. Japan, US, and Europe. And many of these elements later blended together. "Classic" Sonic's design sure as shit isn't pure Japanese.

>>279632204
Oh and hey look. Sonic has his fucking American mohawk in this very Japanese manga panel right here.

Sanic

>>279632204
>>279621837
>posted it twice
so desperate

Amy should have been human girl.

>>279632584
No? I'm just telling you. You're trying to revise history. Sonic didn't have some "definitive" Japanese canon that got overwritten. You bitching about him not having a human girlfriend name Madonna?

>>279632204
Sonic has a happy face. This lacks the bad attitude of America Sonic, I was right, it's a lot more like Spongebob. America would be a delinquent. and he's eating pizza, not a burger.

>>279632857
Sonic was always meant to have a bad attitude. That shit's just a weirdo kodomo manga. You wanna talk about how scattershot Sonic's lore is, look up this proposed backstory.

>Mary Garnet was a popular writer of children's books in the U.S. during the 1940's. Her Husband was a test pilot for the U.S. Air Force. His secret project was code named "Blue Gale" who's goal was to produce the first plane that would break the sound barrier. Mary affectionately nick-named her husband "Hedgehog" because of the way his hair always struck straight up when he took off his flight helmet. The nickname stuck and it inspired Mary to decorate his leather flight jacket with a blue cartoon mascot. Since her husband was so busy flying for the Air Force, Mary had to fill in for him raising their only daughter Sherry. Mary would spend the afternoons making up stories to tell Sherry and her friends. Oddly enough, it would always seem that a hedgehog would be the hero of the story. "Sonic" the hedgehog had many fantastic adventures usually protecting innocent people and little animals from evil men.

>>279605972
tfw eggman allies with the PVCC to harass a retard in semi-rural Virginia that is hiding sonic's plane in his backyard full of junk and forcing sonic and his friends to sleep in his gross bedroom because it's less full of garbage than the rest of the house

>>279619157
This is true. Series would have been fine if they were still over the top anime plots. Would have made the shitty boost games easier to stomach.

I miss Sonic being "edgy" and not a Family Guy persona he is now.

>>279633305
Gee Amy, this is worse than that time I had to escape from city

TRIPLETS BORN

>>279603573 (OP)
>>279603662
>>279603724
The real reason is because japan doesn't give a fuck about furry bait as opposed to creatively-starved americans who, at the the time, ate up any and every anime that made a TV appearance in the US. This is why stupid forgettable shit like:
-Speed Racer
-Big O
-"voltron"(Go Lion)
-Evangelion
-Trigun
-Outlaw Star
-Cowboy Beebop
-Zoids
...and other shit took off in the US while remaining mediocre in Japan and elsewhere. The same is true of videogames.

Protip: you can tell when people like anime for the wrong reasons when they use localized terminology, or when they try and give "anime themes" to media like undertale, teen titans, or any cartoon made in the past 5 years. It's pretty shameful to be honest.

>>279633818 is me and I just read through the thread and this random faggot here >>279626009 proves my point.

>>279633818
I like how you fucking added Evangelion there. Please, go on, make a schizopost replying to me.

>>279633818
yeah this is probably the reason

the allegory of the cave but real

>>279622396
Rare Sara post spotted.

>>279633868
Why bother convincing you anything?Removing a baby from a tit only makes it cry.

>>279634067
You're fucking delusional if you think Japan doesn't like Evangelion, lmao.

>>279604515
Saint Seiya.
One of the PS2 games was first launched in Europe instead of Japan

>>279633868
>Japan
likes the show Evangelion
>(you)
can't shut up about it for a minute, constantly digs up every interview, makes crazy gay "anno respect" threads about the man, the legend and thinks it'll make you japanese but doesn't go into any other cultural shows

>>279634205
Thanks babe, appreciate the schizoramble.

>>279634215
>it's schizo because I don't like it
ninibros...

>>279634215
>>279634075
>>279633868
Evangelion is only okay. Even Terminator 2 is more popular in Japan, and I can prove it with stats, references, and testimony.

i sincerely believe nintendo pulled some witchcraft on 90% of the population. the only nintendo game i ever liked outside of smash and mario kart was link to the past.

>>279603573 (OP)
Because he is designed for children.

>>279619157
Kino screenshot and Based

>>279632955
>[irrelevant] [wouldn't even go into the manual] "Sonic" the hedgehog had many fantastic adventures usually protecting innocent people and little animals from evil men.
All that attempt at Western pandering, and Japan-Sonic is still not even YYH-delinquent level. sigh.

>>279619157
Don't forget Nobutoshi Canna's Knuckles performance, even if he got shafted in character importance after SA1&2. Dude's got the biggest resume out of the entire cast for a reason

Has the raw been released yet?

>>279603573 (OP)
Was Sonic EVER popular in Japan? Last I heard, the Sonic movies bombed over there.

>>279603651
>Yet he runs away from girls who wanna a fuck him

Sounds like an incel who pretends to be a chad

>>279636627
If girls want to fuck him and he doesn't fuck them, that makes him a volcel not an incel.

>Sega stops listening to out of touch millennial
>Suddenly, Sonic is better than its ever been
I find this hilarious.

Can the fine folks at /a/ agree than Sonic's original design>Modern Sonic?

>>279637162
How is Sonic "better than its ever been"? Because the movies? Last I heard the games still suck. Sonic's peak will always be in the 90s, in both quality and mainstream popularity.

>>279637411
Sonic X Shadow Generations was great and sold like crazy.
So did the movies. So are the comics.
Sonic is back and better than ever before.

>>279603573 (OP)
because sonic hasn't been good in over 20 years

>>279614986
>high IQ fandom that produces a lot of games.
making games does not remotely require a high IQ

>>279637444
>and sold like crazy
not in japan

>>279637444
I'm glad Sonic is on an upward trend, and if the current fans are happy then I'm happy for them. I never expected the live action movies to turn out halfway decent, so them being hits was a pleasant surprise. Sonic's movie design went from unholy abomination to one of my favorite designs for the character. I want the franchise to succeed, even if it's not for me anymore.

Sonic Underground fans... We're comin' home... Tamers is back, baby!!

Can you fuckers leak the manga already

>>279638781
but they told us not to do it...

>>279638795
CoroCoro apparently announced that they're looking into releasing both it and the Shadow manga overseas. SLs will just have to keep quiet about their work

>>279638390
More like "Lamers"

>>279637284
Yes.

Bump

Sonic is American. Dude's favorite food are chilly dogs lol

>>279642232
>The spiky blue rat who can turn into a Super Saiyan is American
Go back you retarded nigger

Okay, what if Sonic but he has shoulders?

>>279642499
He's American

>>279642882
eww

>>279634998
they have games from other companies on their consoles like megaman and alttp sequels

>>279643857
this

>>279642882
That may be even worse than giving Sonic blue arms

>>279619157
>>279636325
Playing Sonic with JP voices hasn't been the same for me since Chikao Ohtsuka passed away. The guy had the perfect evil doctor voice and his replacement sucks

>>279603651
It's not his fault. After the Ken Penders controversy, Sega hasn't allowed romance in the franchise ever since.

Sonic being unpopular in japan is the sole reason why Shadow will never be in smash

Is it ACTUALLY unpopular in Japan? Sega still seems keen on making him their mascot of sorts, even in Japan, and even has exclusive merch there (though the same thing can be said for the west), and if they really didn't give a shit, why would Sega not just give the games to western devs full time?
Unless it really only out of envy for Nintendo, and Mario being universally beloved both at home and overseas, and Sonic being the closest thing they have to a Mario

>>279603682
the anime's last season didn't air in japan because the numbers were THAT bad

>>279634204
This so much. The international SS fanbase sees the series as a manly action show about values every man should live for while the japanese SS fanbase sees it as nothing but fujobait trash

>>279647411
Season 3 still exists in Japanese though, so it must've still been shown somewhere.

>>279616939
Frontiers had Rei Aiyanami's VA

>>279604515
not exactly manga but Transformers. Even though the franchise is fruit of a conjoined effort from both the US and Japan, TF is not that well-regarded in Japan just because the mechs are sentient instead of piloted.

>>279603573 (OP)
Sega of Japan has always been a poorly-run and dysfunctional company and that inevitably takes a toll on their IPs domestically.

>>279605663
airing the anime on fucking Hulu (a platform that no one uses) doomed the series in the west

>>279647859
The anime being half recap of shit that happened 2 episodes ago is worse.

>>279647825
They know how to make merch off lisences they didn't make though, that's part of why they're still in business.

>>279638108
as someone that remembers vividly the dark period when Sonic was seen as nothing but an autistic magnet with mediocre games I also never expected it to make a such a huge comeback

>>279604515
Undead Unluck and Toriko convinced me that only flopped WSJ manga are allowed to escape the curse of having disappointing endings

>>279648044
Almost like stories aren't meant to be dragged out for years/decades and should have an ending that does the rest of the series justice

>>279648159
Demon Slayer was allowed to end when the author wanted despite being a goldmine, and it still felt disappointing.

>>279638390
why are they fat

The real question is why isn't Metroid that popular in Japan? It does okay, but by all rights it should have more of a following. Dread seems to have turned things around but still.

I find it funny how people still think that if Sega localized a bunch of obscure JRPGs for the Saturn, it would have found as much success here as it did Japan.
Not even the SNES' JRPG library did that well in the West compared to the Japanese market. To think it would have on Saturn is stupid.
SoA killed the Saturn in America with its stupidity, and would have done better getting more sports games than anything else.

>>279634204
Saint Seiya is hugely influential in Japan but it's mostly a cult series that happen to be popular among creators. Outside Japan is DBZ-tier

>>279649108
outside Japan and America*

>>279648698
I think it's because Nintendo is mostly associated with cute family friendly franchises so Metroid ends up feeling like an outlier?

>>279648933
the keyfactor that would have changed everything was localizing the Segata Sanshiro ad campaign. Shit was basically the Terry Crews Old Spice ads done two decades before

>>279649448
Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade all do well, so it isn't a matter of tone. That said, Samus is the only relevant human character in franchise, and the only one in any given playthrough, so maybe that has something to do with it.

>>279649566
Most Zelda games are still cutesy af while Fire Emblem and Xenoblade have anime aesthetics. Meanwhile Metroid is mostly inspired by oldschool sci fi horror shit.

>>279648933
Localizing Sakura Wars would've genuinely helped. It might not have moved the needle that much, but at the very least it would've made the Saturn more fondly remembered in the west than just being the machine that has one game nobody can buy because its cost over a 1000 fucking dollars, and also no Sonic

The issue wasn't it having no JRPGs strictly speaking, the issue was it didn't have fucking ANYTHING. I'd call it Sega's Wii U if the Dreamcast didn't exist and nearly kill them.

>>279649643
>Zelda games are still cutesy
OOT literally has you fight zombies and one of the temples is a fucking fish stomach

>while Fire Emblem and Xenoblade have anime aesthetics. Meanwhile Metroid is mostly inspired by oldschool sci fi horror shit.
You say that like "anime aesthetics" negates the dark moments those games have, or that Metroid somehow isn't anime inspired. These are all still Japanese games anon, and Metroid is as much inspired by Gundam and Macross as it is Alien and Dune

>>279649658
>Dreamcast didn't exist and nearly kill them.

There was nothing wrong with the Dreamcast itself, and was a relatively success in its brief time of existing. The problem is that it wasn't enough of a success to prevent Sega from bleeding out from all of its poor financial decisions during the 90s and the declining arcade sector.

>>279649884
didn't Shemue 2 had a budget so high that to make a profit, every Dreamcast owner at the time would have to buy the game twice?

>>279649764
the only Zeldas that I would classify as "dark" are OoT, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. 3 games in a franchise that has 21.

>>279649884
The Dreamcast was a good console that wasn't strong enough to last. It had strong initial sales, but with the slow death of arcades, the mentioned poor business decisions, and the PS2 just around the corner able to do everything the Dreamcast could do but better, the writing was on the walls. To its credit, it did last a little longer in Japan than everywhere else, but the PS2 and GCN destroyed it in every sense.

>>279649978
Wind Walker has the MC's imouto kidnapped, half the world drowned the death, and the final boss is impaled through the skull. Zelda isn't overty dark as a series, but it still takes itself seriously, at least more than Mario usually does.
Frankly the whole "Nintendo is the kiddy family friendly console" idea largely only considers Mario and nothing else.

>>279648698
It's too western by japanese standards.

>>279649566
Samus having a colorful cast of support characters like Mario and Sonic would go directly against what the series is about because the atmosphere of isolation is part of the main appeal.

>>279651872
Nobody said it should have a full blown secondary cast. But a few other relevant human characters to give Samus someone to bounce off of wouldn't hurt and would go a long way. Even Alien, had more characters on the Nostromo besides Ripley. Granted they were xenomorph fodder in the end, but still.

>>279604515
Hellsing was more popular in the west than Japan, the 2nd anime only got made because of the west

FLCL's additional seasons only exist because of Adult Swim. Same with Big O

>>279647979
>mediocre games
I thought the 16-bit generation was pretty good.

>>279649448
>Nintendo is mostly associated with cute family friendly franchises
Outside of Japan, perhaps. Nintendo of America is anathema.

>>279652005
>FLCL's additional seasons only exist because of Adult Swim
We were better off without them..

>>279633818
You left out a TON of anime that made TV appearances in the 70s and 80s which are forgotten in the west today

>>279603573 (OP)
>Another Sonic with a dumb kid series
Tom (an adult) has BTFO every other Sonic human companion besides Maria.

>>279652007
you must be too young to remember when Sonic '06 broke the fanbase so hard that created the Sonic Cycle

>>279652077
Getting real sick of people pretending Shara and Merlina don't exist

>>279652165
>Shahra
>Merlina
>Human.
Anon... One's a Genie, and the ther's a elf wizard.

>>279652184
Nobody likes a wise ass

>>279603651
Sonic's biggest fans in the west are insecure introverts that they wish they were confident like him

>>279652123
>talks about '90s games
>must be too young to remember '06
Bruh.

>>279648698
No, the real question is who decided it would be at all acceptable to cheesecake up Samus's design and why wasn't he dragged out into the street and shot for it?

>>279634028
Is she a Genome?

>>279633818
>Japan doesn't care about furry bait
Last time i checked Tezuka was still respected.

>>279652332
Back /v/ with you parasite and take your shit taste with you

>>279652332
literally the first game

>>279648698
Japs don't like shooters.

>>279652383
>Japs don't like shooters.
>One of the most beloved Japanese franchises of all time is a shooter

>>279603573 (OP)
Preferences and also nationalism, not only does japan not like the fast pacing platforming Sonic provided but also because Sonic is reportedly a character made to appeal to westerns and will usually not be taken lightly unless your game is Mother.
Also, Sega is mostly known as an arcade company there, their consoles sold poorly except the Saturn which had no Sonic of note.

>>279652383
Every Japanese guy I have ever talked to has loved Valorant and Splatoon is also popular. There are even male idols that play FPS games for their fans on Youtube.

>>279652452
Bullet hell is a very different kind of shooter compared to any metroid game.

>>279652492
You're right, because Metroid isn't a shooter.

Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Sonic Battle
Sonic Heroes

The holy trinity

>>279652507
Even the 3d ones?
>>279652486
This is a welcoming change, back in the 90-2000s fps sold fuck all in japan.

>>279652480
Shit like this makes zero sense to me, what the fuck is even "western" in this context? What makes Sonic any more western than say Mario? Because he was designed with western characters in mind? So was Mario, he partially inspired by Popeye, and everything Sonic is inspired by Japan likes, they like Felix the Cat, they like Tom and Jerry, they even like some of the Looney Tunes cast. Is it because of his personality? What about turns the Japanese audience off, being cocky little shit? Well fuck, I guess half of all WSJ's MCs are now hated for their confience. The gameplay? Half of all Japanese arcade games are meant to be played fast, because its the point
I honestly feel like this was a whim of the public with nothing but vague notions of "western" culture to justify it.

>>279652539
Yes, even the 3D ones. Retro made damn sure despite being in first person to not make Metroid an FPS and Nintendo was so about it, they made Fusion as a potential 'real' Metroid game in case those pesky burgers turned Metroid into something it wasn't and would face fan backlash. That didn't happen, but the fear was still there

>>279603573 (OP)
There's next to no correlation between quality and popularity.

The Sonic OVA should've gotten more episodes.

An artificial hedgehog uses the real the emeralds and a real hedgehog uses an artificial emerald.

At their first meeting in San Francisco, Sonic felt as if he were staring into a dark mirror of himself, the fake hedgehog. Later, when they met in Green Forest/White Jungle, Shadow turns the tables, accusing Sonic of being the pale reflection of himself, the ultimate lifeform. Finally, we come to this scene, where Sonic has just used Chaos Control to warp out of the exploding capsule with a "fake" Chaos Emerald, a technique he learned by watching Shadow, the "fake hedgehog," perform it with a "real" one. They learn here that neither of them was the faker, and both of them were the real deal. After all, the "fake emerald" was indistinguishable from the real one because it had the same wavelength and properties.

>You never cease to surprise me blue hedgehog. I thought that capsule you were in exploded in space.
>[Starts jogging slowly] You know what I can say... I die hard! [Camera pans to the fake Emerald] You actually saved me, you know.
>It was a Chaos Emerald, wasn't it? But, there's no way you could have activated the Chaos Control using an Emerald that's fake. [Sonic and Shadow start to run faster] So, there's more to you than just looking like me. What are you anyway?
>What you see is what you get! Just a guy that loves adventure! I'm Sonic the Hedgehog!
>I see. But you know, I can't let you live! Your adventuring days are coming to an end!

You can feel he's for real, he wants to kill Sonic.
The situation is desperate, he needs to settle this with his newfound rival as soon as possible, and then go back to the Control Room, to fulfill Maria's "wish".

There was something special about them both finally reaching (what they thought was) the end.

This is where Sonic's writing peaked.

>>279638390
Did he go back to Sonic Underground? Or is he still in his ponyfag phase?

>>279653935
Most people will never admit it though.

>>279633818
whats going on in the webm?

Sonic Heroes Japanese scripts
https://archive.org/details/sonicheroesscriptworks

>>279652075
This isn't an exposition of fucking western releases of anime.

>>279654087
Some background might help so it makes more sense: some operating systems can be run on a USB like Tails OS. Removing the USB shuts down the computer and erases any data that was present while operating. The police were investigating a computer related crime (could be dark-web shit) and the cop on the left stupidly pulled out the USB which eliminated any chance of collecting evidence.

Bump

>>279654141
Kek

>>279652298
That makes them superior fans to the japanese. It's better to be inspired by a cool character rather than wanting a protagonist to be a lame loser that gets great power just to feel "related".

>>279636627
>Sounds like an incel who pretends to be a chad
incels dont run from girls
chads dont need to pursue

>>279603573 (OP)
The Mega Drive never even came close to the SNES in Japan. Sega having a lead for a little while was entirely a western thing.
I hear that SA1, SA2, and Frontiers were kinda popular in Japan though.

>>279656427
Live and Learn.

>>279652452
>>279652486
Nips don't like shooters the same way Westerners don't like date sims (and then refuse to play any RPG without romance options). It was simply a historically underrepresented genre in the region, so people didn't develop a taste for it, but there's nothing that stops them from enjoying it.

>>279633818
Sneaking Evangelion in there is fucking hilarious.

>>279603573 (OP)
Too edgy.

>>279658539

>>279659627
I for one think sonic took his robot genocide too far.

>>279659627
western sonic looks like such rancid dog shit

>>279636665
No, it makes him gay. No one is really volcel, pretending to be is an incel cope.

>>279661975
what about priests?

>>279661690
the British Sonic is worse I also hate Super Sonic being a Hulk-like transformation in that continuity

>>279662286
Especially priests, no one will choose a career where he's forbidden from ever having sex even if he gets an opportunity unless he knows that opportunity will never come.

Sonic X created an entire generation of autistic people.

>>279604515
Probably Gash Bell? It always feels like it had more impact, has more memorable and is more talked here than in Japan.

>>279662712
I think Sonic SatAM was more influential in that regard

>>279605147
>Sonic 3D Blast (which didn't even release in Japan).

yes it did

>>279662954
Sonic X was the start of the notorious recolor OCs that got Sonic fans made fun of in the 2000s.

>>279663012
but Sally Acorn caused the furry awakening of a whole generation of late millennials and early zoomers

I think games-wise, Sonic Adventure was probably Sega's last attempt at making a Sonic game that could appeal to Japan.
I mean the Japanese version had a cowgirl neon light that moaned when you hit her in Casinopolis

Sonic is one of the few survivors of the mascot platform apocalypse.
The real funny thing is, Sonic really didn't have that much of a presence for a large chunk of generation after Genesis/N64. He was mostly absent during the Saturn/PS/N64 days.
But here he is, still running around with an autistic fanbase, while Spyro and Bandicoot fans are begging for scraps.

>>279663011
It happened years later, which is why Sonic there looks like Adventure 1's modern Sonic.

>>279647348
because Sonic and Yakuza are the only games Sega makes anymore and I think Japan likes Yakuza more

>>279664385
They could've had Sakura Wars too if they didn't fuck up the reboot

>>279603573 (OP)
Anyone else miss this cute little plant?

>>279665701
Nah she's a traitorous bitch.

>>279616362
>movie slop
Should have failed harder.

>>279604515
FLCL

>>279619471
>We were thinking about the lifespan of the character over 10 or even 20 years…
Scary...all the autism was carefully planned by a committee.

>>279654269
Yet he oppresses Eggman! Very interesting.

>>279663126
>Sonic Adventure was probably Sega's last attempt at making a Sonic game that could appeal to Japan.
Actually that was Frontiers. The Adventure games were the last "successful" attempt

archie Sonic is my favorite NTR doujin

>>279666887
He comes back later as a gigachad

Bump

>>279666887
It's not ntr if she was never interested in him.

Who cares? Different people have different tastes. Only Westerners care about Banjo and that Mario RPG character that Japs give 0 shits about.

>>279668243
I concur.

>>279603573 (OP)
The last anime we had with Sonic had Chris Thorndyke.They paired the single most iconic non-Italian video game character with the worst, weakest and whiniest shonen protagonist ever devised. This killed Sonic's popularity more than 06 did.

>>279603573 (OP)
I love Blaze!

>>279603573 (OP)
Sonic is retarded and nobody cares about it.

>>279623745
Wouldn't be a SEGA thread without it.

>>279625027
>tfw I still have my Dreamcast (not sure if it still works though)
Feels good man.

>>279634998
>the only nintendo game i ever liked outside of smash and mario kart was link to the past.
This but with Advance Wars (i.e. Famicom Wars) for me. Quite simply the best Nintendo series and they just let it die like that.

>>279604515
Kagurabachi was memed so hard in the beginning by westerners.

Sonic threads on /a/ are usually much better but of course those had to be ruined too.

>>279661975
It'd only be gay if he was into men, and it's been a while, but I don't believe that's true. At best, asexual.

The page that ruined sonic.

>>279673781
I have to wonder if Flynn fucking around with the Mobius 25 years later story is what actually caused Penders to get pissed enough to start suing everyone.

>>279673781
>>279666887
Holy shit, Archie is embarrassing.

>>279670624
Why tf did this need a bump

>>279652005
>Hellsing
Has it been popular since the manga?
Japanese fans rejoiced when it was made into an anime, but the content was altered and criticized
and even the original author criticized it so much that Ultimate was produced.

And you say he is popular around the world, but how many people bought his work?

>>279673890
Even the editor, Mike Pellerito, even said that it was always billed as a possible future. Penders, with his ego, never let himself live it down and criticized others that believed otherwise and got into hissyfit when Ian killed Locke.

>>279666887
>>279673781
Sonic becoming a king in these comics is the most OOC thing that Sonic has ever done. Might as well not even call him Sonic anymore by that point.

Is there an English translation of this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAe35lqwJqw
This video has been edited based faithfully on why Sega lost.

By the way, I had Nintendo, NEC and Sony in my house.

Anyone want to spend a few bucks and dump the manga?
https://www.shogakukan.co.jp/purchase/digital/magazines/0380907125

>>279674385
original edition
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13492123

I love Sonic Adventure 2.

>>279646865
>the hidden reference in brawl about Snake hating that hedgehog for an unknown reason
>Akio Ohtsuka (JP voice of Snake)is the son of Chikao Ohtsuka (JP voice of Eggman)
I still chuckle and yeah, his voice was really iconic

Anyone got any sonic x evangelion fanart?

>>279674317
I mean there literally IS a game where Sonic the King Arthur stand in after the real one went evil.

>>279605147
Wow wtf
Mods usually delete sonic threads, sometimes even if they're about the anime
If they don't die before 75 posts

>>279603573 (OP)
Because the Mega Drive flopped, and the Saturn lacked a mainline Sonic title due to Chaotix being moved to the 32X and X-Treme being cancelled. The Western thing is a cope because Oshima said Sonic was designed with both Japan and the West in mind, and any time Sonic was on the arcades, he did well in Japan.

Naoto Oshima, Sonic's creator, said that Sonic, while having western influences since Oshima loved classic American characters, also has Japanese influences, because he himself is a Japanese person. That ties back to what the other anon said about Japanese people writing what they know.

The thing people miss when discussing Sonic and western influences is that A LOT of Japanese intellectual properties have some western influences. English, for example, is seen as cool over there. The Mickey Mouse design philosophy can be seen in popular Japanese characters like Son Goku from Dragon Ball and Astro Boy. Goku's design is influenced by Astro Boy, who himself is influenced by Mickey, as many early anime designs were directly following in the footsteps of Disney. Dragon Ball also pays homage to stuff like Terminator and Star Wars. The fact is that Sonic's creators are Japanese, so Sonic has many Japanese components in its DNA, which Yamaguchi, Tails' creator, went into recently.
>Sonic's aviation badge intro animations are based on Dr. Slump (as well as the enemies from the Tokyo Toy Show demo)
>Hoshino stated that Amy Rose is based on Oshima's taste in women, and fashion that was popular in Japan at the time, and she wields a Japanese toy as a weapon
>Yamaguchi revealed that Miles 'Tails' Prower is inspired by 3 characters, all of whom are Japanese (Kitsune from Urusei Yatsura, Myau from Phantasy Star, Son Gohan from DB)
>Sonic 2 has a manga style, according to Yamaguchi
>Eggman is mainly based on Motro from Laputa, while also taking aspects from another Miyazaki character from Lupin III named Professor Lonebach, and the henchmen from Muteking
>Mecha Sonic is based on Mecha Godzilla
>Death Egg Robot is based on the ATM-09-Scopedog from VOTOMS
>the majority of Sonic 3's plot and environments are inspired by Laputa
And that's just a few classic examples. Japanese people mainly write what they know.

>>279603573 (OP)
Because the games are bad.

>>279662861
>Gash Bell
No way, the sequel is selling at least 100k per volume in Japan despite the author going "indie" and self-publishing with his own company. The manga definitely didn't sell more overseas than domestically either, hell the US localization never even made it to the last volume.

>>279678396
Famitsu liked Sonic 06.

>>279678377
Aren’t Sonic 3’s Specials Stages bases on King Kai’s planet?

>>279678466
Yup.

>>279604876
>and a character inspired by Bill Clinton
Is there any proof Naoto Ohshima actually knew who Bill Clinton was?

>>279678377
>>Death Egg Robot is based on the ATM-09-Scopedog from VOTOMS
Holy shit, really?

>>279678444
Famitsu rates Sonic and Pokemon well because it's their patriotic duty. Last time Sonic had a good game, George Harrison was still alive.

>>279678596

>>279678565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9h-4vQUHM&t=243
Yeah he says it himself

Sonic character models have been ugly since Sonic Heroes and it's only gotten worse. Knuckles especially looks so bad these days.

>>279678011
When he was crowned a king at the end of the game he rejected it immediately.

>>279678605
George Harrison was alive in 2017 and I didn't know.

>>279678565
>Is there proof that an adult Japanese male in the 90s knew who the President of THE United States of America was?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, very good question. I mean do we have any proof that they even knew who Michael Jackson or JFK was?

>>279679321
>knew who the President of THE United States of America was?
Sonic was created in 1990.

>>279603573 (OP)
I don't understand why this lame shit is as popular as it is over here. People even make Friday Night Funkin tracks with sonic shit but sCaRy. I don't get it.
This goober dipshit with his spindly noodle arms and legs.

>>279679353
>he thinks THIS isn't the coolest shit ever
LOOK at this fucking guy. Look at that shade of blue. That's a nice shade of blue.

>>279679353
Because Sonic is the COOLEST mascot.

>>279679490
>>279679913
Gay as shit looking. Yawn

>>279679248
Yawn

>>279680220
>>279680624
You'll catch flies

>>279673781
>Maria have mercy
>Maria help me...
What a fucking faker

>>279674317
>>279678011
>>279679146
Many people see Sonic as something close to an anarchist that doesn't believe in royalty and such things. That being said, he is too friendly towards authority figures to actually be one.

>>279681289
They also call him liberal despite having a rigid moral compass and opposing anyone that strays too far in the other direction.
Retards just want their childhood hero to align with their current politics, unfitting as it may be.

>>279679353
People with shit taste shouldn't question anyone's taste

>>279633818
True, but you can expect these tasteless fucks to continue worshipping their childhood anime for as long as they live. It's not about quality, it's about conditioning.

Green eyes only.

>>279678635
Nice.

Sonic is terrible and I have no idea why it lasted this long