Thread 279613861

What is forced animation?

>>279613861 (OP)
when an anime overanimates a scene where it is completely unnecessary.

>>279613861 (OP)
When non-action scenes are animated like action scenes (sakuga)

>>279613861 (OP)
When I need an excuse to shitpost on /a/.

>>279613973
Why can't non-action scenes have good animation?

Just another forced term like native isekai and precensorship.

unearned sakuga

>>279613861 (OP)
Certainly not this.

What is forced meme?
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22forced%20animation%22/type/op/

>>279613861 (OP)
Too much movement with too little happening

>>279613972
What the fuck is up with this blur.

Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust is forced animation: the movie, but in that context it works as an artistic choice. I wonder what percentage of that was animated in 1s.

>>279613861 (OP)
Something brown people like to say

>>279613861 (OP)
shaft is so garbage, girls with manface and the rest of the world just is just random lines.
and the hurr durrr crazy cam and super focus to distract morons.

Ignoring good timing in favor of excessive movement.

>>279616022
Based.

>>279614922
because action scenes barely do either

>>279613861 (OP)
that fight against the dragon in One Piece

>>279613972
I hate when animators do this

>>279613861 (OP)
no, it's good frame rate

>>279613972
so how do you deem how much animation is "correct" and which point in time?

>>279613972
Why's he boogying out

>>279616031
If you look upon Sengoku Nadeko and see a man you're a genuine, no-joke, homosexual

>>279613861 (OP)
It's when someone is 3D but you gaslight or manipulate or coerce them into being a cartoon.

>>279615559
"Forced animation" was a mutation of "forced drama" originally and the meme is over 13 years old at this point.

>>279613972
How can a director look at this and say its ok?

>>279613972
Why does he look like he's about to burst into song.

>>279613861 (OP)
It's a term used by people who are mad that money got put into an anime they don't like but don't want to admit that that's the reason they're mad.

There is nothing wrong with animation having animation. Its always a shame when money gets put into slop and not good stuff, but that's just life.

>>279620010
>There is nothing wrong with animation having animation.
Holy crap you're dumb as hell. You go watch that webm of the girl eating something off the fork and tell me that's how people act.

>>279620381
IDK the webm you're talking about, but the problem you are describing isn't too much animation, its bad/awkward animation.

>>279620631
Why does wanpiss have so much of these

>>279620559
>its bad/awkward animation.
hence, forced.

>>279620004
I know which song exactly
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKGGz-0Q7s

>>279622214
I was thinking something a bit more leonard bernstein

>>279622214
kino

>>279621468
well then call it that and not forced. There's nothing wrong with having more animation, I'd take "forced" animation over a slideshow any day.

>>279613972
What a hilariously mediocre slopfest this shit was. And zoomers actually believe it's the AOAT.

>>279613861 (OP)
https://youtu.be/HrBJDvPZf2g?si=14dCogpgprlml59a

>>279613861 (OP)
Is she prepping for a school shooting?

>>279613861 (OP)
/a/ is an elite board and as such concerned with quality in all forms. A thing should be good in addition to having animation. If you were an elite animator, you'd take lots of factors into account when animating. It's common sense. As far as buzzwords go, it's on the tamer side because it's pointing out a thing is bad when it's not good.
>b-but things should be praised for merely having animation
If you think that, it's time to go to reddit where you can and do praise things for mediocrity. This is 4chin. There's standards.
>There's nothing wrong with [slop]
Simply put, >>>/reddit/.

>>279624622
>This is 4chin. There's standards.
LMAO

>>279613861 (OP)
The consequences of lazy writing and storyboarding. It's mainly a tv anime problem because tv anime is so wasteful with its runtime, there's tons of dialogue heavy fluff where there's no action to animate that even the animation becomes filler. Also shitty action scenes where instead of coming up with something visually interesting that moves the story forward it's a fucking "battle void" where everyone flails in the air for a while before there's any real development.

>>279625603
lol true

>>279615711
Not understanding: ENTER!

>>279613861 (OP)
Quick!
Someone post the Deku squat n punch!

>>279620631
zoomies cant handle the swag walk

>>279613972
When this one aired, I remember thinking “Guess this is their attempt at thelling people «hey, take notice of this guy» before killing him”.

But then there is that horrid scene with Zeke and Reiner (I believe?) going upstsairs, which made me go “oh, so this is how they are trying to say «look, we can manage this shit, we are actually better than Wit Studio.!!»”

everyone in this thread get cancer and die.

>>279613861 (OP)
Good
>>279613972
Terrible
>>279615711
Good
>>279620631
Terrible
>>279628446
Good

>>279620631
Western Disney "illusion of life" 24 fps buttery smooth "CHARACTER ACTING"slop meets refined Japanese manga designs

Abomination ensues
White pig, go home.

I blame gamers. That 60fps and beyond is better for video games somehow spilled over into the idea that it's better BECAUSE it's more frames and not because of the latency reasons.

>>279628446
How could someone think this is bad?

>>279629920
Videonigger fumbles his way into a conversation about art and assumes his stupid nigger medium had anything to do with the attitudes that were created by Disney during the Golden Age of animation in the 30s and 40s and existed long before he pressed START on his niggerbox. Stupid vnigger can't understand the world outside his niggergames, sad!

>>279619247
If the animation is distracting it's way WAY too much

>>279630155
You're illiterate

>>279628446
>shitting on kino Kite fight scenes
you are a nigger

>>279615711

>Sorry, we couldn't come up with any decent jokes. Have some pointless animation instead! (hey, 20 minutes is hard to fill, alright?)

>>279620631
This is so shit. One Piece fans are delusional to think this isn't overanimation

>>279615711
this was the only good scene in the show

>>279628536
agreed on all. this guy understands forced animation.

>>279628404
>nipple shows for a nanosecond

>>279630228
brown

>>279613861 (OP)
I think the issue with using lots of animation frames for random scenes is that they lead to bad incentives.
Unless you are working on a high-budget movie, you won't get those frames for EVERY scene. So you may feel like you need to "make them count" by adding random wobbly motions instead of just sticking to subtle and natural ones. This leads to trash like >>279620631.
The OP webm has a lot more animation frames than most Monogatari scenes, but they're used for a dynamic movement that actually benefits from them.

>>279630460
All those words to say nothing, holy shit. Just post a picture of anime titti3s next time

>>279628446
That's great animation.

>>279613861 (OP)
this isn't forced because it has a clear purpose.

>>279620631
this is forced because it's unnecessary to the scene and only there to impress idiots.

>>279630484
You're right, friend.
WebM related should illustrate my arguments.

>>279620004
because this level of emotiveness is unusual in anime but very common in Disney musicals.

>>279615711
that was fucking great
sauce plz

>>279620631
This is kino. /a/ got filtered.

>>279623724
AoT sin is that its ugly as hell and depressing. just pure nihilism.
if i want to see ugly and sad shit i just step outside.

>>279628404
Somewhere the animator has reference footage for this. A lot of animators make their own reference footage. Do you think it was a girl with big titties, or a guy with big titties?

>>279613861 (OP)
visual vomit

>>279630781
Bleach thousand years is worse since is a whole episode of that unlike a few seconds.

>>279613972
This. We don't need 20 minutes of someone picking up chopsticks. The 18 minute enter scene from demon slayer is a good example. Half the episode was him walking 3 feet

>>279615711
>Scene gets old 8 seconds in
>40 seconds of this
What the fuck

>>279613972
Isn't this rotoscoping? Or at least heavily referenced and traced

Definitely not Monogatari, kill your fucking self.

>>279630970
There's a reason if flopped almost as bad as nichijou

>>279631012
Only those last 4 seconds look exaggerated. Everything else looks like quite good.

>>279630781
Thanks, I got epileptic seizures

>>279620631
same energy

>>279620631
so jiggly
>>279631998
lmao

>>279630902
Bleach has never delivered any of this kind of shit

>>279613861 (OP)
forced animation is when a team tries to make something above their skill level resulting in a badly animated, akward scene. retards call it forced because they are unable to understand the world outside of easilu digestible buzzwords

>>279613972
>people on the background don't move

>>279620631
There's something oddly stop-motion'y about this.

>>279624622
>newfaggot has an opinion

>>279613861 (OP)
Im surprised people are not bringing up the fact that 2000's experimental (westoid) anime did this in a much better fashion.

>>279624622
>LOOK GUISE I SENT PEOPLE I DISAGREE WITH TO REDDIT, AM EPIC INTERNET WIN 4CHINKER NOW?
How 'bout you yourself go right there right now, young'n?

>>279613972
>>279620631
I thought "forced animation" was a meme until I saw these two webm.

>>279619922
maybe all his tweeners called in sick at the same time

>>279615711
This isn't even overly animated, and as with webm related, the animation serves a clear purpose, even though the joke doesn't land for me.

>>279620631
Did they all have a bite of gum gum?

>>279630290
retard

It is new?

>>279613861 (OP)
All adaptations are forced animation

>>279613972
for one this seems rotoscoped, but it also reminds me of southpark for some reason

>>279613972
Did he stop time or did he stole all the moving potential of other characters?
>>279620631
wtf wan piss?
>>279628404
noice
>>279628446
incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxlru5Rezgc&t=21s spare some frames?

>>279613861 (OP)
How does SHAFT do it?

>>279635558
This girl canonically has skin so rough it's liken to a shark's. You can grate wasabi with it. Yucks.

>>279630442
The advertisers will never recover from this

>>279637026
kino

>>279637365
this guy is the only animator i've ever been able to recognize based on his work alone.
everything's so jiggly and wavy.

>>279637365
The first works; the style reminds me of the Saturday morning cartoons I used to watch as a kid. After that it becomes incomprehensible and bad.

>>279637467
Advertiser-sama, get down!

>>279637467
m-more

>>279621121
zoomer foreign animator didnt get an action scene so they overcompensate on their character animation scene

>>279637023
because they often do it for a comedic purpose or simply for exaggeration, and rarely via adding additional frames per second. the motion tries to have the least bit of metaphorical sense.
in short, they know what they are doing, unlike some of the examples itt

>>279636608
nigegr

>>279638749
nicely written retard

>>279630781
Isn't this the kind of shit Japan wanted to avoid after Pikachu gave children epilepsy so long ago? Hell, this is worse than that.

>>279619247
I don't know how you'd quantify it but it basically boils down to too many unnecessary movements. The example you've replied to is still borderline OK. It will probably look jarring in context since I'd assume the rest of the show doesn't have animation this detailed for menial movements but I never watched the anime so I can't tell.

>>279613861 (OP)
not that

>>279639094
They have those regulations for TV releases, where there's a limit to the level of changes in color that you can have within a certain timeframe, which is why you'd often have those scenes that are just darker when it airs on TV, but as far as I know BD releases and the like aren't affected by that. No idea if that scene aired on TV or not. It does certainly feel slightly uncomfortable.

>>279637026
Dayum, this one is more like forced kino. "Ironic" "so bad it's good" animation just shows the animators have already given up and didn't even bother to try to make their anime looks good.