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Why is this the case?

>>279624141 (OP)
But I do. I'm so tired of the loser MCs and don't want to be reminded that I'm just like them.

>Left is the town bicycle who has let everyone but her fiance have a go
>Right is a pure man who is constantly fighting succubus teasing him

>I like her because... she's an assassin, merchant, thief, apothecary, knight princess.
>I like him because... he's nice.

>>279624141 (OP)
Men are defined by their actions first.
Women are defined by their looks first.

>>279624141 (OP)
Females (most) want to look pretty and don't want to see their love interest with someone ugly.
Men can only accept their waifu with someone as pathetic as they are and get self conscious when their self-insert performs better than they could.

>>279624141 (OP)
i self insert as Dark Schneider

>>279624141 (OP)
I like genres that have evolved beyond the need for the audience to self-insert.

>>279624141 (OP)
Eventually men realized watching attractive men have sex with hot women was no different than real life so the genre shifted to losers who don't have to try at all and get everything handed to them on a silver platter

>>279624141 (OP)
I wish i were the left

I self insert as the protag's dad in Dagashi Kashi

>>279624141 (OP)
speak for yourself why don't you

>>279624141 (OP)
Because you're a retarded new fag who doesn't read.

>>279624141 (OP)
>women want to self insert as someone who is loved (and the way to do that is to die and be reincarnated into someone who is pretty)
>Men want to self insert as someone who is loved (and the way to do that is to die and be reincarnated into someone who has a designated waifu sent by fate)

>>279624141 (OP)
also female self-inserts look like this

>>279624306
>left is defined by her looks first which makes her valued but her actions also elevate her
>right is defined by his actions first which makes him a loser and his looks aren't any help

>>279624141 (OP)
Because Japan is a depressed society.
Also left isn't a female self insert. It's a waifu.

>>279624141 (OP)
female self inserts all have black hair. this makes more sense if you put rudeus or some shi

>>279624273
you forgot anal queen.

>>279624141 (OP)
God I wish I was the girl on the left. After numerous of blowjobs, anal sex, gangbangs, from various people of all race and class, I finally get to seduce the hottest, richest, and most powerful german in the world with black hair, stunning blue eyes, and the initials of A.H.

>>279624141 (OP)
Women like cute and pretty things and value aesthetics and world building
Men get insecure if a protagonist looks more attractive than them which is why half the time they can't even allow the protagonist to have eyes

>>279625709
>Also left isn't a female self insert. It's a waifu.
Not that far off from an otome protagonist though.

>>279625885
OP's look is the otome protag's smug megabitch rival, not the MC. Once you see the common patterns you cannot unsee
>>279625512 is more correct

>>279626043
Depends on the setting, if you play otome games though it's usually a girl in a super frilly outfit.

>>279624141 (OP)
Men feel threatened by other men who are more attractive than them.

>>279624269
>Risha
>whore

I don't want male self-inserts, I just want the girls.

>>279624141 (OP)
I self-insert as Tokiyuki.

>>279624141 (OP)
Most men don't believe in self-improvement because they were never taught how to accomplish it growing up. Their power fantasy is being accepted for who they are. Which might sound sweet except a lot of them are just stubborn manchildren.

Why does everyone want to insert themselves into Rishe?

>>279624479
Her boobs are small tho

>>279624141 (OP)
What are some male self-inserts that are well liked?

>>279626276
Persona protagonists, Riki, Kirito, haven't watched it but I like the 100 girlfriends protagonist because he's cute.

>>279624141 (OP)
>he doesn't self-insert as Baki, or even his dad
NGMI

>>279624141 (OP)
>males never self-insert into handsome and overpowered character
Ah I see.
You're a faggot who exclusively read femmc fanfics.

>>279624141 (OP)
I feel cucked when the MC gets with the girl because he's such a pussy I can't self insert into him.

>>279624141 (OP)
What's the obsession with self inserts in the last few years?
I've heard apparently zoomers and gen alpha have trouble reading stories written in the third person

>>279626224
I thought anime Rishe was bigger than the other versions?

>>279626430
Narouslop.

And they tend to self insert in the wrong person in shows that are not designed for it.

>>279624141 (OP)
the average shoujo MC looks just as bland as the faggot from Nagatoro

>>279626708
She's pretty hot though.

self insert doesn't even mean anything

>>279624141 (OP)
The ultimate male fantasy is being loved for who they are. The ultimate female fantasy is to be capable of capturing the love of others.

Every story should have women write the men and men write the women.

>>279626327
I self insert as the homicidal retard

>>279626430
The younger generations take the self insertion thing so unhealthily, and it is so prevalent in YA fiction, that there is a harsh pushback against it, since it feels both immaturish and unhealthy to a great degree, like greater than the average waifufag(but kind of on par for the most deranged in previous generations).

Self inserts aren't bad, but the current crop of self inserts in both YA(girl targeted) and narouslop(male targeted) are the blandest possible iterations. These characters are so 'relatable' that they are nothing at all.

>>279624141 (OP)
I self insert as the person on the left because I'm a real lesbian woman :3

>>279624141 (OP)
Something something arise

>>279626821
>and it is so prevalent in YA fiction
I'll admit I haven't read any YA fiction since, like, Eragon
But even that and Harry Potter were in third person

>>279626887
Percy Jackson is in 1st PoV.

>>279626769
agreed

I can tell OP is a faggot who only ever watched shit and is on the pipeline. Don't worry, leave self-inserts to those who actually want to better themselves.

>>279626894
I never read Percy Jackson
But I did read Animorphs, and that's first person

>>279624306
>Men are defined by their actions first.
Maybe in the 20th century and before, but nowadays it's looks just like with w*men

>>279626887
Harry Potter and Eragon are like nearly 20 years old at this point and predate the churning slop machine that publishing has become

>>279626887
There is a trend right now where basically zoomers refuse to read books in third person omniscient. They find it unreadable. Zoomoids are completely dead on the inside. Go look up booktok on tiktok.

>>279627204
>zoomers refuse to read books in third person omniscient
Wha...?

>>279626708
Horrible example. Sana is a supermodel. Figuratively but also kind of literally.

>>279627204
I'm surprised that they actually read.

>>279624141 (OP)
Almost right the right one is supposed to be a plain schoolboy. Also what>>279626708 said.
>>279626821
It has less to do with "sel-insertion" being prevalent and everything to do with publishers trying to play things as safe as possible so they could reach the less discerning customers, I think. No different from what happened to games with casualization and stuff like gachashit with characters that pretty much never develop.

>>279627319
It's to the point that major publishers are just outright refusing to publish most third person omniscient stories. They literally call 3rd person "Head hopping". Something incredibly catastrophic has happened to the younger generations.

My personal take is that the younger generations are dependent upon a parasocial-type relationship with characters. Which is why they get upset when bad people do bad things in stories.

>>279627372
I thought I heard recently that the American school system reverted from phonics to whole language method of teaching kids to read
So who knows how well they're doing

>>279626708
Also, that's not even true. There's a lot more effort put into making shoujo MC designs look cute and pretty. For MCs like the one from Nagatoro, it's like they put in effort to make him not attractive.

>>279627435
Looking it up 'head hopping' seems to mean shifting character POV without enough indication that the perspective has shifted.

>>279624790
Conan is so old, to the point he will enter the public domain

>>279627601
I think some of the early stories are public domain now

>>279627461
It's the reverse. From the 80's to the 00's, whole language was the general principle, and phonics was a special education exclusive thing. There has recently been a shift backward in the past decade.

IMO it isn't the source of the problem. Gen Alpha are just fucking stupid. They can't read. Not through like inability, but like their brains short out when they encounter the written word. They don't retain anything. Their attention spans are too short to actually internally process sentences.

>>279627359
>>279626708
>"japanese" school girl

>>279627461
yep. championed by teacher unions that get to funnel billions of dollars to their bank accounts, because of some stupid study from China, which has a language that requires whole word learning, versus english which is phonic.

>>279627635
So is this due to social media, smartphones at a young age, bad parenting, COVID lockdowns crippling early social development, all of the above, or something else?

>>279627643
Congratulations for discovering the uncanny valley effect

>>279627614
He is already in the public domain in a lot of (author's life + X0 years) countries, but in the United States, he will only enter in a few years.
But his proto version, Conan the Gael, already is in America.

>>279627692
Not Solomon Kane or Kull?

>>279627475
yeah but they're still supposed to be plain/ugly in the context of the story

>>279627662
Whole language learning is superior once someone has mastered the very basics of reading. The issue with going full-phonics is that it causes someone to have to stop on each and every single word and it doesn't actually help students understand WHY those sounds create a meaning. Words are more than sounds.

Like you need both. But IMO only a retard needs phonics once the training wheels are off.

>>279627675
I teach high school, and in my opinion it's all of those. High school sophomores and juniors this next fall missed out on 2 years of middle school and it seems to have crippled them. Bad parents didn't force their kids to do work, and teachers were forced to be extra-lenient and it's not like we could do truancy proceedings, so it was like half the kids in this cohort just fucking dropped out and jacked off or scrolled their phones instead of learning proper social skills, basic morality, and academics. Parents are worse than ever. The kids are all brainfried from screen exposure.

The death of television might be good for us discerning adults, but for kids it means that they have been raised on a steady stream of slop content. These kids lack the enrichment of those whose formative years preceded 2010.

>>279627614
>>279627601
I think the books are already public domain but the comics aren't?

>>279627733
No, only sometimes not all the time. And I'm pretty sure this issue is about their actual design and not how attractive they're supposed to be in the context of the story.

>>279624790
>>279627601
Conan battle manga soon?

>>279625799
I do self-insert as futa ganguro protagonist

>>279627712
In America? Those two entered a few years ago.

>>279627757
The comics belong to the publishers, but the problem is that in America works enter the public domain based on the publication date, so some stories written by Howard will only enter the public domain by 2080+

>>279627754
I always found moving away from phonics as an explanation the literacy crisis unsatisfactory since written Chinese is fully character based and the Chinese seem to be doing ok with literacy.
Are there techniques implemented in China and Japan for learning text that was overlooked in the anglosphere?

>>279624141 (OP)
>women self-insert
*Yawn*
>men self-i sert
NNNOOOOOOOO STOP BEING AN INCEL LOSER CHUD
Why is this the case in /a/?

>>279627787
try this

>>279627931
>Are there techniques implemented in China and Japan for learning text that was overlooked in the anglosphere?
Parental discipline?

>>279627931
it's just the way the language works. And reading Chinese isn't as complicated as you think. There's always a radical that lets you know what it's about, a few base "sounds" inside the same word, and you can figure out the word by looking at the parts.

>>279624141 (OP)
Because like many people on /a/ you compare female romance written for chads with male romance written for complete losers, probably because all the foids on /a/ are chads so it's mostly the stuff they shill.

If you thread outside of /a/ and go to say tumblr, then there's are so many posts of people glorifying the dumbest shit with the most bland female protagonist somehow finding undeserved love.

>>279624306
You picked the worst example with Rische to say that. Rische isn't just pretty. The character has an uncountable number of skills due to 7 lifetimes of experience and can beat anyone at anything except Arnold at Swordfighting.

Meanwhile, the male character has no real skills and actions either and is extremely passive while Rishe is highly proactive and a 4d chess gamesman.

>>279627931
IMO you can't compare asian and western countries, particularly America. MOST countries test their students for literacy once, in junior high, and their qualifications for being literate is that they have the literacy of a 9-10 year old.

In addition, MOST countries don't have compulsory college track upper high school. The USA is a freak case where high performers and actual retarded kids are forced to be in the same classrooms(performance tracking is illegal except in specific contexts, i.e. AP classes) for 12 years.

Considering the mainstreamed special education students and illegality of performance tracking on a per-campus basis(you can still create a retard high school and a non retard high school if you are in a large district), America's middling performance should be considered downright heroic.

>>279627973
So are Chinese children taught a sort of phonics for their character system in a similar way to what the pro phonics crowd advocates for English?

Which Rishe do you anons self-insert into the most? Mine is the maid because then I can rape the baron's son and live out my /ss/ fantasies

>>279628041
The first one because then I can get fucked up the arse by entire Aria trading company including Tully who mogs Arnold like you wouldn't believe.
After that the soldier because then I can get fucked up the arse by all the soldiers.

>>279625609
>left is defined by her looks first which makes her valued but her actions also elevate her
Yes
>right is defined by his actions first which makes him a loser and his looks aren't any help
I don't know what you are talking about. Plus right literally won in his manga.
>>279627055
Nepotism will get you further than any looks ever could though.

>>279628129
>Nepotism will get you further than any looks ever could though.
There's a certain kind of respect only being attractive can bring you, but sure having money generally beats looks out. In the extremes though it's probably better to be a 10/10 with average wealth than a 1/10 disgusting looking billionaire

>>279628234
In my country there's this lolcow that is a guy that is from a wealthy family(his mother is a dermatologist that attends celebrities and his father is the owner of the clinic where she works) but he is a total sperg with negative social skills and is something like 5ft tall(no one knows for sure how short he is, but there's a pic of him where we can see that he is only slightly taller than a police car) on the top of being obese. I'd rather rot in poverty than living like him for a single day.

>>279627802
Based?

>>279624141 (OP)
Men want to be seen as valuable just by existing. Like women are.

>>279624269
being retarded does not make you pure lol.

>>279626327
this trash gives one piece a run for their money in who has uglier art lol.

>>279624141 (OP)
Right is a high value attractive male though.

>>279624141 (OP)
men realize when being chad thundercock and having everything fall into your lap with ease isnt realistic and males wont relate to it. Women all want to be carrie from Sex in the city and be a columnist who's an expert on everything

>>279627055
Wealth and status is what's important for a man, not looks.

>>279628234
No way is being a billionaire worse than being poor.

>>279627601
>>279627614
>>279627757
The whole public domain thing gets really confusing depending on region. They were all public domain in europe but the name Conan is trademarked so Ablaze called their comics The Cimmerian overseas.
>>279627787
God I wish. I need more actual heroic fantasy stuff. Guin Saga was alright but I'm starving.

>>279628129
>right literally won in his manga
>self-insert wins in a wish fulfillment manga
You haven't said anything notable

>>279625799
I do self insert as whomever gets to peg or ram my husbando of the season in the ass

>>279624141 (OP)
It's simple, we don't relate to well-groomed rich chads. They can only exist in highly privileged parts of society. If you're a hard-working, blue collar male or even just a student in high school/college you don't have time to work yourself up to the standards that women usually want. You'll never look like Johnny Depp or any of those shojo male leads.

>>279628843
>You haven't said anything notable
Do I have to? Obvious answers aren't interesting, just correct.
>>279628234
Yeah, I agree.
>>279628454
Country?

>>279624141 (OP)
>>279626276
What the hell even is a self-insert? What's the difference between a character you root for, a character you can identify with, and a "self-insert"? Is any character the audience can relate to a self-insert? Is Jahy a self-insert? I can't imagine anything more relatable to the average manga fan than being a wage slave.

>>279629137
>just correct
No because you completely misunderstood. He's a loser by his actions and personality and how he's judged, not by his outcome which isn't even worth bringing up because that's already set in stone by the nature of the story.

>>279629137
not telling but anyone from my country that read what I wrote probably already recognized him, that guy is basically our chris chan

>>279626430
I remember when it was just a joke, along with "He's literally me!". Now people think it's an actual thing, as if people genuinely believe they themselves are the characters.

>>279624141 (OP)
> attractive
who cares
> high value
oh yeah

>>279629345
>as if people genuinely believe they themselves are the characters
>what is Shiroufags

>>279626276
Rance, Simon, Kyon, Satou Tatsuhiro, Shirou, Keima, Araragi, Hakuoro, Kazuma, Oreki (even though the real self-insert is Satoshi), Goblin Slayer if you're like that.

>>279629519
Protagonist =/= self insert

>>279629585
>>279629519
Answer my question: >>279629176

>>279629585
I am aware. You may disagree but I'm using a similar standard to the one that gets most shoujo protagonists called self-inserts

When jap men write their "male" characters they're always boring beta males, when they try and compensate and write something alpha they just end up writing shit like caricatures like Yujiro, or Mary sues like Jin Woo, or worst of all "strong, stoic fag with glasses."

Sadly women grasp masculinity better than jap men do (because they make characters they want to fuck)

They have social worth and competence, they are ineffable in crushing shit tests and offering friendly banter, when a women insults or teases them they don't shut it off or comedically melt down because they have a strong sense of self they just have a strong sense of self. They're more vulnerable, but they have emotional regulation and spine so they can interact this way without seeming like a pussy (impossible to imagine I know). In the end men written by women just seem to be made of sterner stuff.

>>279627041
Animorphs also has well defined characters and switches viewpoints for each book, completing killing the ability to self insert.

>>279627958
this is trash, has he fucked the loli or is she a hag now?

>>279624141 (OP)
Because everyone wants to be the left anyway, so people self insert as the left regardless of their real gender

>>279629626
So when men actually write male characters they are real characters and not self-insert, but women can only write male self-insert?

>>279627614
iirc, basically everything published when Howard was alive is public domain, which isn't really a lot all things considered.

>>279629626
>Jin Woo
lol

>>279629176
>Is Jahy a self-insert?
No because the audience is male. Jahy is the poster girl. The main attraction. Not someone for the audience to be. A self-insert is a character (usually the protagonist) who is written as a surrogate for the author or the audience. Basically an extreme form of identifying with a character. Of course, this term is nebulous because there can be a lot of disagreement on which characters are self-inserts and it gets thrown around carelessly a lot. Basically an ordinary everyman and the story is told from his POV with traits made to be broadly relatable to the audience. If the setting is magical/supernatural, usually this character is a newcomer to it and learns about the system along with the audience. Giving examples can be an issue because if it's obvious, it's usually a bad sign. Think of generic MCs from naroushit and battle harems.

the thing I'll never understand about isekai self insert characters is how they'll have cheat powers but never want to use them. they could easily become rich or powerful but they just want to be a rice farmer or some fantasy equivalent of a 7-11 manager. they have tons of bitches wanting their dicks but they just want to date the one well behaved japanese girl or the fantasy girl that acts most similar to one. it's like they aren't even interested in the fantasy.

>>279624269
>>Left is the town bicycle who has let everyone but her fiance have a go
You've got my attention

>>279629958
What are you even talking about? Isekai protagonists are virtually the only protagonists having sex. If you excluded that genre, virtually 100% of male anime leads would be virgins. And even then, it's only a relatively recent trend where the heroes are allowed to have sex.

>>279629989
Left is in a multi year time loop, and keeps her memories between loops. So far she's been a maid, an alchemist, a scientist, a merchant, a thief/assassin, and a knight.

>>279629895
>No because the audience is male.
This constant bullshit logic.
Anon, have you ever looked at the average boys' love title? This weird idea that some people have that there can only be same-sex self-inserts is so weird.

Also, Tomoko is such an obvious
>Look lonely male nerds, this would be your life if you were female ahahaha, don't you think Tomoko is so relatable.

>>279630057
Yeah I read the synopsis, I'm just interested whether she goes full slut mode in her current loop or if it's just a shitpost

>>279627802
based
would rape

>>279629895
>No because the audience is male
I wonder who the self-insert is in this manga.

>>279624141 (OP)
>the real female self-insert
fixed

>>279630104
Current loop? Doesn't seem so.
Previous loops? Who knows.

I'd self insert into Rishe

>>279628657
Not in the zoomer and alpha generations. Women are on average wealthier than men in them.

>>279630332
>who knows
Careful Preston, you're treading on my dreams.
Absolute anal slut, loves it up the butt.

Also, current loop also had sex with Tully already of course.

>>279628674
Elon Musk is the richest man on earth and yet he is still clearly deeply insecure and desperate for approval and is ruthlessly bullied for his looks and being an autistic sperg.
Yeah, I think being an extremely attractive person with no mental defects that merely has an average level of wealth is probably preferable to being an ugly autistic billionaire.

>>279630567
nta but that is not the topic on the table, and that one very visible exception does not invalidate the premise

>>279630585
My premise was as follows
>In the extremes though it's probably better to be a 10/10 with average wealth than a 1/10 disgusting looking billionaire
I don't think I deviated from it. In fact I think I came up with a perfect example (richest man on Earth!)

>>279624141 (OP)
Most male self-insert designs are just so boring. I groan everytime I see a generic twink with short black or brown hair as the MC.

>>279627995
So basically a fucking self insert to the point marry sue getting while the other a story of being a loser somehow made friends then gotten a girl because of a plot reasons?

You know when both generalized the content of each different genre and perspective in mind, this aesthetic comparison is stupid

>>279631171
Maybe, but I'm just saying it's really silly to say the first character is defined by looks and the second by actions.
The first one is even more exceptional in terms of actions than in terms of looks, and the latter is exceptional in neither; that's all.

Because a man can be someone in real life but a woman never can

>>279624273
>I like him because... he's nice.
He is someone who determined and fighting hard daily to better himself.

>>279629176
I never really got self inserting. Why not just watch the story and root for characters that aren't you?

>>279632191
That IS what people do for self-inserts. It is a relatable character whose viewpoint aligns sufficiently with your own to create sympathy.

Or at least they did until like Gen Z started like having unhealthy parasocial relationships with characters.

>>279624141 (OP)
man this is bullshit
look at Wotakoi for the real self insert woman

>>279629644
He has Rance standards so 14 is the minimum.

>>279627954
>OP
>faggot
Many such cases.
>>279624141 (OP)
Contrary to your retarded seethe fantasies, many men like self-inserting as powerful and smart characters. Believe it or not, many more enjoy the story as presented without the need to experience it firsthand.

>>279624141 (OP)
female self insert
>she's a plain jane who a bunch of people love for no reason
male self insert
>HE IS THE MOST POWERFUL SORCERER EVARR
>HE IS THE IMMORTAL REINCARNATION OF THE DRAGON KING
>HE IS AN ANGEL AND A DEMON AT THE TIME
>AND HE HAS AN ENDLESS HAREM OF BITCHES

>>279624141 (OP)
How fucking lazy and garbage is nu/a/. Taking a 4chan post that was posted to x*tter and than reposting it here without even cropping. No wonder the quality of this board has gone to utter shit. Kill yourself OP

>>279624141 (OP)
Appearance-wise, I don't think there's something wrong with these male self-inserts. If you'd genderswap them into their girl version, I'd wife them up.
Fancy clothes and makeup do nothing for me when it comes to anime.

>>279625799
Perfect, just what I was thinking anon.

>>279627204
Do they also only watch toks that are shot from 1st POV? Not being spoken to as in some "talk at the viewer" video, but like the Hardcore Henry movie.

>>279625799
>>279627802
>>279628898
>>279628550
>>279630112
>>279634589
This is what no father figure does to you

>>279624141 (OP)
Women desire power in a way of they are being oppressed and no one is taking them serious despite how great beautiful and smart they are. While men desire power in a sense of just wanting to be a normal guy who can’t help it that every women wants to sleep with them and they are just so strong

>>279635090
I have several, thank you very much

>>279624216
fpbp

>>279624141 (OP)
From the beginning I saw Hachiouji as more like a lil bro or son than a self insert

>>279629895
I noticed that there are basically 3 main types of self-insert in weebshit

>bland highschooler with bare bones personality traits
>salaryman that hates his life
>neet

>>279624141 (OP)
Speak for yourself, this is my self insert.

reminded of this /tv/ thread explaining that the reason why women had this double standard of seeing Star Wars as a thing for virgin losers despite the fact that Star Trek always had female viewers is because Luke is a self-insert for boys while Captain Kirk is the man they want to fuck

>>279624141 (OP)
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>279624141 (OP)
>Attractive high value males
the chad version of this is self inserting as your stories main villan

>>279625799
Many hours in MS paint later.

>>279624141 (OP)
I can't speak for anyone but myself but for me self-inserting is less
>wow he's literally me
and more
>if it were me, I'd...

Like, the part I'm more likely to latch on to in that regard isn't when the bland isekai MC is the strongest in the world with a harem he fiercely ignores, it's the bit at the start when he's by himself puzzling out how his cheat power works

>>279624141 (OP)
Men have low self esteem. They have low self esteem because they put zero effort into improving themselves and their lives. Even women who are "losers" socially to the point they indulge in non-big-name anime will still put massive amounts of effort into themselves, especially physically. Women are socialized from a young age to always maintain their appearance and to develop themselves the traditional wife skills like homekeeping. For a woman, having a dirty living space is deeply shameful, while a man might see nothing wrong with it. If a woman has a wrinkled shirt it's deeply shameful and she'll be ridiculed, for a man it's not worth noting. So naturally women attain a higher level of value than men, even comparing average to average, even from the same socioeconomic background--the woman will always put in more effort than the man. Thus they attain a higher value. Thus they have higher self esteem. Thus they can have more extravagant self-insert characters without feeling mental discordance, whereas for men, anything other than a bland beta loser protag will trigger them and throw them into a depressive spiral.

If men were subjected to the same pressures women are from childhood they'd be able to self insert into more Chad-ish characters. The average woman is closer to being Stacy than the average man is to being Chad. That's also what is causing the dating market problems.

>>279624141 (OP)
chads get laid and we can't have their imaginary girlfriend engaging in sexual relations with other men

>>279625799
>>279638128
ha, you guys did the thing that's done every time something like this pops up. ha ha

>>279638207
Yes, I'd been wondering if that is also considered "self inserting". It seemed logical to be the case since everyone complains that "self insert" characters are typically feckless or timid, implying they would not act like that character if they were in that situation. Yet the character remains labelled as a "self insert" proxy/surrogate despite acting differently from the target audience?
I suppose it's just an example of the way a term may come to mean something different from its component parts interpreted literally in isolation.

>>279625799
KitaAGP BTFO
This is what real men wants.

>>279638256
>Women are socialized from a young age to develop themselves the traditional wife skills like homekeeping
Huge lmao

>>279624141 (OP)
Male fantasy is having a woman actually like you as you are. Shocking

>>279624141 (OP)
Women can also self insert in ugly people you know?

>>279633161
The male "self insert" is better because it justifies why everyone loves him.

>>279638256
>Even women who are "losers" socially to the point they indulge in non-big-name anime will still put massive amounts of effort into themselves, especially physically.
If by effort you mean food, sure.

>>279640007
lmao

>>279624141 (OP)
men are realistic
>average dude
>has to work on himself to get what he wants
women are narcissistic
>I should be given everything I want for zero effort just for existing

>>279640150
>has to work on himself to get what he wants
That's not what happens here.

>>279629807
They write a man who isn't a loser, and if you (not speaking directly to you) were not a loser, you wouldn't want to or be capable of self-inserting into the current crop of beta-male literally-mes. Regardless of whether that is realistic or not.

When female characters write female characters they're typically inoffensive, passive and sue-like (they magically get shit and preferential treatment) regardless of weather they are actually high value, beautiful or mundane.

When a man writes a female character (and she isn't performing the function of a cock-sleeve for a male insert) she typically has a bit of depth, intelligence and humility. Regardless of whether that is realistic or not.

>>279626351
is this still ongoing? last time i read it, they raided some lab(?) to get their powers back.

>>279624790
>Conan rules with an iron fist
>Many people, they look up to him
>Battle prowess, the true value of a man
>You think you're civilized but you will never understand