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Why does anime and manga discussion rarely delve in to the technical side of things?

Anime fans almost never talk specifically about the storyboarding, or character designs, or certain animation techniques like timing and spacing etc. They only mention them offhand.
Manga fans seldom talk about things like paneling and flow. If they do it's only a passing mention.

Everyone just seems to care about their favorite characters. Is this normal?

>>279627597 (OP)
Because most anime is plain. There's nothing to talk about.

Make a goddamn post about what you want to talk about then instead of moping like an autistic goth kid

>>279627725
I tried that for 7 years and nobody took the bait
>>279627663
This is not true.

>>279627597 (OP)
They are not artist so they don't appreciate that.

>>279627597 (OP)
What are you, a pseud?

>>279627597 (OP)
Modern anime has hidden all of that effort. You need to watch cel-shaded anime on a large screen in order to actually appreciate the process and decisions of anime creation.

>>279627597 (OP)
It's hard to find english-language sources for this kind of information. Which is a real shame.

Paneling and flow in manga are really vague concepts. People on /a/ do talk about them but everyone seems to have different ideas about what constitutes good paneling. I'd say the anime terms you mention can be more concrete but you see a lot on /a/ people not being able to agree on what constitutes good animation. People don't like to believe that even the technical side of art like this can still be even somewhat subjective.

>>279627597 (OP)
Yes, you're just mentally ill

>>279627597 (OP)
Have you ever tried to cite any study or research paper that explore those topics in-depth here instead of bring up vague claim to act like 'holier-than-thou' on anonymous image board?
No? guess so.

>>279628368
These things are not typically the focus of studies and research papers.

>>279627597 (OP)
Because modern audiences don't know what any of that shit. They'll look at some spastic seizure inducing fight sequence and call it sakuga but won't know why, how or by who.

>>279627597 (OP)
>what are shaft threads
>what are OP analysis videos
>what is a sakuga booru
>wait, anime research articles actually exist?
come on now, it's like you're not even trying. And don't even act like your observations are exclusive to anime, normalfags do the same with tv shows
>hey did you watch [XXX], it was cool
>yeah, I really like it, it's cool
repeat ad nauseum

>>279628864
1. Who are you quoting?
2. I'm familiar with everything you mentioned. Now, without being disingenuous or condescending for a second, why don't you tell me why you personally think this is uncommon?

>>279628864
>what are shaft threads
Not technical discussion
>what are OP analysis videos
Most of those video essayists have no idea what they're talking about and don't actually understand the technical parts of anime
>what is a sakuga booru
This does delve into the technical side but it can be limited
>wait, anime research articles actually exist?
OP has no excuse for not knowing about this but if you don't know Japanese, they're not very accessible

>>279627597 (OP)
You don't want this. We aren't very bright here. You'll just get some retards using words and phrases they don't understand.

>>279627597 (OP)
This is the same board that actually unironically belives "forced animation" and "native isekai" actually mean anything rather than being meaningless niggerbabble (that started out as humorous terms).

>>279630459
>niggerbabble
The irony here is amusing.

>>279631022
There is no irony, ESL tard.

>>279631232
You're complaining about misusing language while using language. That's irony.

>>279631268
And you are complaining about my misusage of language while using language... ZOMG!
Just kidding, that's absolutely fucking retarded and you're a nigger thinking you're clever. Hang yourself.

>>279631329
This is apt, but you replied to me instead of the failed troll above me.

have fun responsibly

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TZ2jFYwas

Probably the same reason /tv/ rarely talks about cinematography stuff like lighting, scene composition, choice of film type, color grading, etc. Those things require a lot more knowledge than talking about booba or political bait.

>>279627597 (OP)
Well, I think plenty of people talk about character designs, as for other technical aspects, when 95% of it is budget saving techniques I think its obvious why people aren't really talking about it. The less you know the more interesting it is. If you see a panning shot and don't process that in your mind as a budget saving technique you are going to have way more fun than someone that does.

>>279627597 (OP)
OK, let's change that...
Are there any recommendations for Manga with fully colored pages?
I'm not that fond of B&W.

>>279627597 (OP)
Because the technical aspects don't really matter as long as they're good enough to service the characters and story. If they're bad then it's noticeable but if they're good then I don't really care, give me the main course.

effortposting is rarely rewarded. I don't mind effortposting about aspects of manga that I think are great but to really make my points well I'd have to reread and collect relevant pages and then fill in captchas for all of them.
or I could just lurk

120swait time I hate this shithole

I see paneling brought up from time to time, nothing beats some good paneling.

>>279627597 (OP)
>Is this normal?
It is. Thank heavens for all the /g/entlemen pushing for decent quality at least on the technical distribution/watching side of things. You'd never be able to see anything in the bitstarved streams that Japanese have to live with. But it's super cheap, at least.

Also, Sakugablog was really good for this kind of thing but they ran out of steam and miss the mark for me nowadays. Nowadays they write articles that are a bit too long and more importantly, don't convey all that much actual information.
Look into their articles from around the time of Shirobako and Trigger's young animator project (LWA OVA)

>>279633432
The good old days of the Ben Ettinger's Anipages forums were filled with these sorts of discussions. Industry legends like Peter Chung would even drop in to opine in detail on various aspects of the Japanese animation industry. Maybe the problem is the decline of dedicated anime fora in favor of Twitter and Reddit and Discord.

>>279627597 (OP)
Most people (including myself) don't know anything about these things, and since no one is talking about it, there's no apparent way to learn, so it's a vicious circle.

>>279634729
A general of some kind could solve this.

>>279628368
Holy projection

>>279627597 (OP)
what the epileptic sakuga discussions doesnt suit your taste?

>>279628031
Can someone explain why mental illness seems to be the go-to when people start asking unapproved questions?

>>279627597 (OP)
because /tv/ does that for movies, right? or do they just post "kino" and variations? this website isn't intellectual at all, and anime as a medium doesn't have that big of a spotlight yet

>>279627597 (OP)
A lot of the actual production aspects aren't really transparent to the viewer unless there is some kind of director commentary or a video showing the making of the anime. I do think you will often see anons comment that compositions are good or this particular animator did a good job (like episode 4 of Gochiusa).

But I'm sure there are lots of videos out there talking about the actual technical production of anime, and I would also bet a lot of it isn't translated.

>>279636630
Do 2chan and 5ch talk about this stuff? They have no language barrier to deal with.

>>279636805
You mean this?
https://medaka.5ch.net/iga/

>>279633432
Why does she position her butt like that?

>>279627597 (OP)
weebs are horny and just like sexy women
simple as

>>279627597 (OP)
It can't be done on /a/ because all that's left is retarded redditors deepthroating toonami anime and pretending it's le retro. Any thread on this subject will just be turned into a militant camp to push an agenda.

>>279638587
Maybe, it hurts to sit on it.

>>279639386
And don't forget the Mauritanian. He singlehandedly steered oldgoodnewbad threads on this board for a while.

>>279627597 (OP)
Anons do discuss about those things when it is worth discussing.
You won't find a general in the catalog for it because it is not the kind of thing that can be analysed in a vacuum, unless you want to have some pointless philosophical debate on the nature of art. If there is some particular anime or manga whose technical artistry you want to discuss, either make a threat for it or discuss it in the threads for that series.

>>279627597 (OP)
Fundamentally, this is just film and people in "pop film" circles similarly don't know shit about that sort of thing.

>>279627597 (OP)
>Manga fans seldom talk about things like paneling and flow. If they do it's only a passing mention.
Actually paneling gets mentioned a lot. I like mentioning it to dab on comicfags.

>>279627951
More like, /a/ and /co/ have a very different ideas of what constitutes good paneling.
I don't see it as an issue with subjectivity in art analysis. The problem is tourists struggling to comprehend that art created outside of the west doesn't follow western standards.