watching for the first time
>constantly gets called immature and officer rants about how he throws tantrums
>he's actually in the right almost every time

why are they like this.

In the military your commanding officer is always in the right.

>>279628105 (OP)
Chain of command
Militaries without chain of command = dead

>>279628105 (OP)
Bright's immature too.

>>279628105 (OP)
Amuro can't control his emotions and ego.

Bright IS in the right about it

>>279628105 (OP)
They're all kids.

him stealing the gundam to spite them was pretty based desu

>>279628105 (OP)
All of them are kids, and he is immature

also, he really is stern with fraw sometimes or even just ignores her. kind of an asshole

>>279628105 (OP)
>he's actually in the right almost every time
You weren't beaten enough as a child.

amuro is like the patreon saint of Asperger's desu. he's super smart and has legit spergouts

>>279628105 (OP)
To put context on everyone being kids in the show, Bright Noa is 19 at the end of 0079. Mirai is 18

>>279628105 (OP)
Uhh something something children are the next generation something something adults fail children so the children grow up to be adults that continue to fail children something something transhuman something something transhumanism something something
Good show

why does this show feel like it's a hanna barbera cartoon? maybe its just like the way they re-use animation and the way things are animated

>>279628105 (OP)
Yeah I've been watching this for the first time myself as well. So far pic related has been pretty based.

>>279628105 (OP)
Adults are egoist

>>279628330
This, the entire fucking point is that Bright gets tossed into a leader role he has minimal training and zero experience with just because he's SLIGHTLY more suited for it than anyone else on the ship. They're all super rookies trying their best to make shit work just to stay alive.

>>279628821
>based
He killed any hope for the conlict to end in peace, the reason is uuuh...

>>279628105 (OP)
tomino is a leftist pacifist boomer and has a hateboner for the generation before him, so he made the military a complete caricature of the ija/ijn (zeon) and nato (federation)

>>279630487
It's cunny.

To me the one scene that always confused me so much was Bright's sudden decision to take the Gundam off Amuro's control for reasons I never properly understood, besides Tomino wanting to add random drama to it. Sure, Amuro is not a trained soldier but who else were they going to put inside the big robot? Sayla?
Dunno, at the time it felt incredibly unfair, especially towards a pilot that at this point has severe ptsd and needs the robot to even feel alive. Sure he running away was childish but I feel like everyone was turbo retarded at that point.

It's been years since I saw it so I might be misremembering, but still.

>>279630853
Based Char.

I tried watching 0079 years ago and gave up around the Doan's Island episode. With GQuuux airing I decided to try again but I'm once again finding it difficult to get any further. The first handful of episodes are good, but then it just meanders off into this long boring stretch. When does it get good again?

>>279630927
He did it so Amuro wouldn't get conceited about his position and feel he was unreplasable.
I think he was somewhat right about it, but it also seemed petty. After Ryu's death, he also blames himself.

>>279631080
There's a bunch of fillery episodes around that point in the series, it picks up again shortly afterwards.

>>279631108
I remember now, you are right. Damn I should give it a rewatch.
I think he had good intentions in his heart, but I also can't help but think that Amuro in that specific situation was indeed irreplaceable and all of this needed to be postponed until their return to Jaburo.
>>279630927
Try the trilogy movies. They trim a lot of fat even though some of that fat are good episodes.

>>279628602
This is honestly the biggest bullshit in the show. Bright should be 25 at least, he does not look like a fucking 19 year old.

>>279628486
Fraw kinda deserves it at times. She sometimes acts like he needs to be a constant good mood or as if he should ignore the stuff bothering him when a majority of the time the stuffs thats bothering is pretty justified to be a bit freaked out by or upset about

>>279628821
>betrayed a friend who trusted and confided in him for a rank up and consequently also got his girlfriend killed
>wastes zeon resources chasing whitebase to earth knowing the technology was to superior to theirs to fight on his own
>based

>>279631080
I'm around that point too but i'm not having any issues. The pilots of those retarded-looking hoverbikes in episode 14(?) showed more humanity in that throwaway episode than anyone in GQuuuuuuX so far.

>>279628821
>red jobber
>based
Only based thing he did was killing Zabis (and he didn't kill that many)

>>279628105 (OP)
Bright is 19, just suddenly got command of a major asset. His BEST tool is some 15/16 year old who won't just OBEY. Bright's had his independence beaten out of him, chain of command is all he knows for a while. He'll soften up waaaay too much during zeta and ZZ.

>>279630698
caricature?

>watch G-Reco
>Tomino still using his weird way of story telling
I can understand why some anons dropped 0079.

>>279631473
Dude, he wants zeon to fucking burn, at least during OYW.

>>279631967
Tomino does what he pleases

>>279630463
And as is called out a fair bit early, better tech lets them not just roll over and die.

>>279631211
A lot of the characters look a lot older than they're supposed to, yeah. Mirai looks like some frumpy mid 30s aunt despite being even younger than Bright.

>>279631211
Wasn't his officer training cut short because of the war? He was going to be 'trail by fire'd' by ghosting on white base. All he's done is get into officer training, war breaks out, fuck it we can't spend 5+ years training you with textbooks, just survive.

>>279632106
The man has impeccable mecha naming sense even when shitposting. They're very memorable.

>>279632145
Better than Ryu, who got told to get into a fighter jet because he's the guy there with the most hours in the simulator.

>>279631473
Hey - Char never betrayed anyone in his entire life.

>>279632106
Damn, I always wonder how was something like 'Quattro Bajeena' came into reality.

>>279632368
It's "Vagina", "Bajeena" was a localizer change.

>>279628105 (OP)
I'm also watching it for the first time and I still have no clue what Minovsky particles are.

>>279632447
Just a cop out why long distance missiles aren't the main way to fight wars. Magic basically.

>>279631080
Just watch the film trilogy instead.

>>279632447
Byproduct of their nuke reactors, because, reasons. Puts out non-life threatening particles that at the 'right' density fucks with EM based tracking/communication. As the other guy said, why basic radar guided weapons are useless, heat still works, laser still works, wires still work, it's the 80s so AI good enough to lock on via image isn't really a thing, IFF is MIA.

Just a reason to have closer quarters fighting instead of at tens of thousands of K. Plasma weapons seem to have a limited distance, until newtypes start sniping people.

>>279632106
>this was the reason Captain Four Vaginas existed
lmao

>>279628144
>>279628245
Just following orders isn't an excuse

>>279632106
based Tomino

>>279632106

>>279632106
>>279633317
The full interview
Tomino is a treasure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_hjo_6vDj8

>>279630698
Tomino is not a leftist. He has supported multiple conservative political parties in the past.

>>279632368
that was 100% trolling
i mean if the committee had really checked it, it wouldn't have passed

>>279628643
Old anime was only slightly different than a hanna barbera cartoon, just had more "serious" action

>>279633771
uhh based?

>>279633771
>I go limp... my mood, I mean.
thanks for the clarifi-
>I can't get my dick up either
nevermind.

>>279632447
It's just a fancy term for Plot Devicium to "explain" why they have to fight the war in robots.

>>279631211
look up 19 year olds in WW1 and WW2, it's not too crazy. he's just got an older man's haircut and his smaller eyes compared to everyone else is which is what sets the illusion

if anything, most of the teen ages in shows like gundam is generally "right". conscription throughout history employed 13+ year olds. the OYW is an apocalyptic nightmare

>>279628105 (OP)
>hear people say Evangelion is a deconstruction of Gundam for years
>actually watch 0079
>turns out it's a perfectly fine deconstruction of itself
>turns out it tackles the young boy becomes a military pilot plot perfectly fine and even better than Evangelion
>turns out evangelion isn't a deconstruction of anything
Asuka and Sayla are hot

>>279630698
Tomino isn't leftist. His class graduated LONG after leftist student movemen era got CRUSHED. Look at his conversation with Yas (an actual leftist) where he repeatedly affirms that 0079 is neutral while Yas tries to get the "its actually about my communist worldview" soundbite.

>>279630698
Tomino has the same views on women as Andrew Tate lol. His presentation of autism is "somethinh that can be fixed throuh corporal punishment."

>>279634255
>turns out evangelion isn't a deconstruction of anything
people just regurgitates this because it's a youtuber opinion that gets spread around a and lots of eva "fans" in the current day have never seen an actual gundam show

>>279628105 (OP)
Bright Noa is 19 and scared shitless

>>279630927
Remember Sayla physically could not pilot it. The one time she tries to both her and Gundam collapse. This is who people call leftist btw.

>>279634255
Even Anno himself has repeatedly implied that Evangelion was never meant to be 2deep4u. It was a half-joking meme started by the most ancient of American nerds who are like 60-70 years old today, and millennials (who were not even 15 years old at the time) from both the American and ESL sides of the pond propagated it for decades to the point of no return

>>279632368
It's Vagina. I played the Japanese only ps1 game where everything is in english for some reason and thats how its spelt there.People who laugh and meme about bajeena are the 'cord troons who laugh at regarded.

did not expect this to be a series where the main character actually got PTSD

>>279632734
I tried watching the first movie after having seen the series, and it felt somewhat rushed on the character development part.

I recently watched the 0079 movies and liked them, even though I didn't love them. It has a lot of interesting concepts and moments (Amuro's mom, Lalah).
Now I'm at the last stretch of Zeta and I'm feeling absolutely nothing. Is it actually overhyped or am I missing something? I also want to watch CCA (since I like Amuro and Char) and thinking of skipping ZZ (even though I'm not allergic to SoL/funny stuff, Zeta is already unintentionally funny most of the time)

>>279635652
>am I missing something?
Neurodivergence.

>Get to the ending
>The zeon leadership just assassinates each other
>Char wipes out the victor
>The gundam and white base were completely inconsequential to the federation winning the one year war. Zeon eats it's own tail
>Even if Char had successfully stolen the gundam or captured it at any point in the series nothing would have changed

>>279632368
>>279633871
Quattro Vagina
Jamitov Hymen
Paptimus Smirroco

Totally intentional

>>279633771
I completely agree with this man.

>>279628643
The action choreography is better than 90% of all Gundam works that came afterward.

>>279635770
>Even if Char had successfully stolen the gundam or captured it at any point in the series nothing would have changed

Watch Gcucks.

>>279632106
Tomino is still the realest one.

>>279635652
Zeta starts out really strong but I agree it peters out towards the end. The best moments are when Amuro is around.
I watched 79->Zeta->ZZ->CCA for the first time a few years ago and I would highly recommend skipping ZZ and reading a synopsis. I felt like I had my time wasted.

>>279634255
Eva is a deconstruction of the Super Robot genre, not Real Robot genre

>>279636028
Yeah I'll skip it. Not used to 50 episode shows anyways and I'm feeling my time slipping away watching Zeta already. Still, there was so much potential, but the actual war events don't make any sense, they're just flip flopping everywhere at random and battling with no consequences.
I also think there's a lot of female characters and almost all of them are horribily written. One exception is Haman which is the only thing I'll regret skipping ZZ for.

>AMURO, you need to FUCK MY SISTER! You have to continue the Deikun bloodline and strengthen it with your new type genes! I know we both hate each other and have massive amounts of blood on our hands at this point, but making sure that you breed Sayla is way more important.
What did Char mean by this?

>>279630487
He killed the warmongering zabis which was an objective positive. Spacenoids were always going to be retarded and starting shit, you almost can't blame Char for scamming them in CCA.

>>279631541
Gundam 79 in general has more realistic characters than maybe any other anime I've watched. Obviously there's stuff that was pushed by the higher ups to sell toys or whatever but when I watched it for the first time a few years ago it felt very refreshing. Also watching Amuro go from a screamin teen who eats beans to a hardened fragmaster was really cool.

>>279628821
Wait until you get to Char's Counter Attack before you call him based
>You don't understand Amaro! All that stuff about wanting to get rid of the gravity weighing down people's souls is bullshit. The real reason I want to destroy the earth is because...
>I HAVE MOMMY ISSUES

>>279634255
>deconstruction
Don't use this word ever again.

>>279633771
>"If this man doesn't lick my pussy, I'll kill him!"
Yeah no wonder he never wrote any good female character

>>279635770
>>The gundam and white base were completely inconsequential to the federation winning the one year war
Amuro and buddies wiped out
>multiple aces (tri stars, ramba ral)
>cockblocked char multiple times on critical missions
>destroyed multiple mobile armors that could've ate entire fleets if left alone (big zam, elmeth,Zeong)
>Amuro intercepted a nuke
White Base was the MVP ship even if they weren't winning the war single-handedly.

>>279636314
>Char takes off his mask almost immediately after he's introduced, a tweest on the masked man style character.
>However, it isn't until the finale of Char's Counter Attack that we ever really see Char without his mask.

It's like pottery

>>279633790
I think Tomino is the only based coomer because he writes characters and explores their sexuality realistically, it's not just some stupid doujinshi bait.

>>279636373
Amuro in particular had a major impact on the late part of the war’s naval theater. Once he started going full newtype, he was soloing entire warships by himself, which had a major impact on the progress the feds were making towards Zeon.

>>279636314
Wow, that sounds based.

>>279635907
>Watch Lalah's fanfic

Fraw Bow's healthy young legs and thighs...

>>279636526
Hey at least it acknowledges that Char would never compare to Amuro
To the point Lalah had to do massive space-time fuckery just for him to win

>>279633871
Vagina is an english name. What are the chances the suits know english? Thats how he got away with shit like Shot Put.

>>279634171
>Reccoa is just a realistic women (laughs)
Tomino fell off by the time New Translation came out. It's funny no one quotes his essay about le female

>>279635652
Did you miss the whole deal with Kamille's mom? It's more in depth than anything in 0079. People who don't understand the importance of that character have 0 media literacy.

>>279636117
If you like Haman Karn, ZZ is a refutation of everything and debunks her character. It's funny Tomino uses "it's just those heckin anime otaku who hate Reccoa" when he created ZZ to pander to them unsuccessfully with characters like imouto, puru, elle, xhara soon and Haman Karn lusting after Judau.

>>279636639
You mean Shot Weapon?

>>279635652
I rewatched Zeta recently and reconfirmed it was great minus a few dud arcs.

>>279636504
Really, the Gundam was only the key factor for maybe a quarter of the series. Amuro's Space Canadian bullshit was the real White Devil

>>279632447
They're the reason drone tech and extreme long range warfare (planet to side-tier fighting) isn't a thing.

>>279636117
Tomino's characters just have women moments. It's actually pretty realistic. There's chicks out that there would 100% pull a Reccoa.

>>279632192
Ever!

>>279635817
>fucking pap smear
Okay, that one got me good

>>279631211
War ages you

>>279636669
Apparently I did? If I missed something, please educate me. I understood it as Kamille being frustrated for being neglected by both their parents and them being also awful to each other. It just felt like "Adults bad" and didn't connect with anything in the story aside of that. Her mom dying because of his irresponsibility also fell flat for me.
Compare that to both Amuro and his mother realizing his loss of inocence and his need of fulfilling his duty by staining his own hands in blood (which he didn't event want to do at first) because he doesn't want to lower down his head and become a victim of their oppressors while letting his innocent comrades die.

>>279628486
that's how it is with women who like you that you aren't interested in

>>279633831
lmao Chronicle

>>279631473
he got demoted when Garma died, anon

>>279631148
all the fat was completely necessary, the loss of 9 episodes already from the show even before the recaps was a disaster

>>279635652
ZZ picks up right where Zeta ends. Its start is very controversial because of change in tone but I would recommend atleast giving it a try and form your own opinion.

>>279636619
why was she the only girl in 0079 to not wear pants

>>279628144
/thread

>>279637161
It's a blatant criticism of mothers who give priority to careers over raising their kid. This is a theme he repeats in Zeta, Victory, CCA, and Brain Powerd.

>>279638296
Yeah skipping shit like the Island which is famously shit is once thing but it's not worth the loss of context and cool moments

I disliked Kamile's mom.

>>279635817
>>279636639
>Paptimus Smirroco
>Shot Put
ESL here. I don't get it. I don't get how Gelgoog and M'Quve are supposed to be outrageous either.

>>279628105 (OP)
Thats the point idiot

>>279628105 (OP)
>>279628821
>Niggas end up fighting over some poojeeta when there is white prime pussy all over them
Worst part

>>279628821
>So far pic related has been pretty based.

Literally everyone loves Char. Even those of us who hate him still love him.

Still the only Gundam I ever watched
I feel no need to watch anything else, Im sure they are all worse. 0079 was perfection and didnt need any sequels

>>279628821
Char is the kind if he had a vagina, /m/aggots would say (s)he has a "woman moment"

>>279639318
Paptimus Smirroco sounds like pap smear, a diagnostic medical procedure done on a woman's naughty bits. Gelgoog and M'Quve are nonsense names but non-Japanese speakers don't appreciate them because most Japanese names sound like nonsense to us anyway.

>>279636314
having mommy issues is BASED AF

>>279636096
>Eva is a deconstruction of the Super Robot genre, not Real Robot genre

This. Amuro and the Gundam are already a more "realistic" take on the cliche of the boy hero who jumps into his father's super robot to save the day.

>>279634255
>hear people say Evangelion is a deconstruction of Gundam for years
No, it's a deconstruction of monster of the week super robot anime. Thats extremely obvious. What?

>>279635770
>The gundam and white base were completely inconsequential to the federation winning the one year war. Zeon eats it's own tail

Amuro beating Char (morally, at least) directly caused the death of Kycilia and ended the war. She would have dragged it out much longer.

>>279628486
Well Amuro isn't into her.

>>279639485
uh, no... if Char had a vagina i'd be balls deep

>>279633804
Example of those parties?
>>279634297
Holy newfag. Tomino explicity is on record saying that a man should break away of gender roles, that he actively learn a lot of his daughters and his favorite book is Torikaebaya Monogatari (the story about two siblings, a male and a female, that keep changing their roles through the narration). He is anything like a drooling bald retard.

>>279636373
Don't forget Amuro also stopped the spy at Odessa.

>>279636096
>Eva is a deconstruction of the Super Robot genre
Not even remotely

>>279628486
he's the OG "no way fag"

>>279631211
And there's no way in hell Kycillia is 24, Japan can't assign ages for shit

Amuro is one of the most based MCs I've ever seen

>>279630927
>>279631108
>>279631148
He had good intentions, but he went about it in the worst way and at the worst time. Amuro is falling the fuck apart and legit did need a break but Bright could only look at the situation in one light. What's bullshit is how they treat him after they get him back. Yeah what he did merited punishment but someone should have been able to say "alright man you fucked up but it's clear you did so because you had been pushed beyond your limits, we'll work this out" instead of trying some tough love "fuck you Amuro lol" bullshit, especially when Sayla does the same thing awhile later Bright actually does sit down with her and talks shit out

as an aside one of the things I like most about Zeta is acknowledging that Amuro's damage never really left him and that the OYW left him a wreck, watching him pull himself out of his funk and casually dunk on everyone again was a treat

>>279636366
no wonder he's the only guy who has written good female characters FTFY

>>279636207
His only Zabi kills are Garma (net negative) and Kycillia (net positive). All in all, he might as well have stayed at home and let the White Base do the work of killing the Zabis that actually needed killing for him.

>>279641366
This is just projecting male unga bunga onto women. It is and always will be rare for woman to chimp out like a man. If you're bad at sex, she would
1. Have patience with you and make up retarded cope if she does love you or you're rich so she can tolerate your poor performance
2. Dump you and (un)intentionally ruin your reputation by gossiping with her family and friends how shit you are
3. In case she can't leave, it would take many years of resentment to escalate to chopping your dick off

>>279633831
wait Chronicle and Katejina had SEX?

>>279639485
men who have mother complexes aren't respected, char is mocked endlessly for cca.

>>279639485
considering he is japanese vader those moments you speak of are basically his anakin moments

>>279636096
its not. it's
just what if otaku coded girls were also ultramen.

>>279636314
>mommy issues
guys hes literally a pedophile. those 2 words are doing a lot of heavy lifting considering the girl he has issues over is 14.

>>279640640
no way bro anime considers people over 20 hags??????

>>279641786
isn't that wind mindbroke katejina? shes basically reccoa of v betraying our HEROES by literally having sex with the enemy

>>279641116
Yeah Bright is like 19 years old and basically a cadet. He had no business being in charge of a warship especially one manned by a bunch of civilians who are also autistic/newtypes

ngl im starting to think the people who think char is in the wrong never actually watched gundam and probably choked it to some youtuber or some fucking shit.
fuck man, even today's world I feel like it'll probably be better for a reset than progression.

Amuro is a monster

>>279641452
Garma wasn't some dindu nuffin goody 2 shoes, he would've been a complete dumbass to not know that his family gassed and dropped colonies and he didn't speak up about it, instead he was fighting to make his family proud of him. Him treating some thottie decently doesn't excuse his complicity.

>>279642084
>14
>pedophile

>>279642298
in his defense he was literally the only officer left standing after the side 7 attack. What's ridiculous is the idea of sending WB out to tool around as a decoy and cut them off completely

>>279628105 (OP)
My fucking HERO Amuro "The White Devil" Ray

>>279643668
Amuro's mom was a fucking idiot. She chose to abandon him for Earth, she could take her idealistic opinions of how he had to live his life to survive and shove it

Puru is such a best, they made Puru 2.

In all honesty, will we ever see a cyber newtype with a happy ending? Their whole existence is just suffering at this point.

>>279643899
>he would've been a complete dumbass to not know that his family gassed and dropped colonies and he didn't speak up about it, instead he was fighting to make his family proud of him. Him treating some thottie decently doesn't excuse his complicity.
In The Origin, Yas makes his complicity very explicit.

>>279635652
>Now I'm at the last stretch of Zeta and I'm feeling absolutely nothing. Is it actually overhyped or am I missing something?
The return or Four and Rosemary arcs are pretty much duds and didn't need to exist but the Haman fight and final battle are great

>>279643899
>he would've been a complete dumbass to not know that his family gassed and dropped colonies and he didn't speak up about it
>instead he was fighting to make his family proud of him. Him treating some thottie decently doesn't excuse his complicity.
In The Origin, Yas makes his complicity very explicit.

>>279635770
>The gundam and white base were completely inconsequential to the federation winning the one year war. Zeon eats it's own tail
What is this? This isn't my hecking SEED where the MC team beats everything seemlessly

I'm sorry but the Titans using a laser on a colony then succesfully gassing one colony then trying to gas yet another colony in a row was pretty stupid, what were they thinking

>>279643668
>mom calls him a monster and is ashamed of what he has become
>as a reaction, he proceeds to go rogue and massacres an entire base of enemy soldiers without being given an order to do so

b...based?

>>279644343
Yeah I never got the point of Rosemary both as a character and as a plot by the Titans

>>279644484
I thought she was there to break Kamille even more

>>279631211
The entire point of Bright is that he's a kid too who's suddenly expected to be the grown man to a bunch of slightly younger kids

>>279644102
There's some characters inspired by the cyber-newtype trope in other timelines that have happy endings, do those count?

>>279644332
>>279644377
Speaking of The Origin, can someone explain to me why Hayato thought that Amuro was there to cuck him and steal his family? like i know Hayato had some inferiority complex towards Amuro in the original anime but he wasn't that pathetic and insecure about Amuro.

>>279644343
Same. Especially when reading the wiki and saying Zeta was the best of the three, I feel this is overrated. I'm at the near end of ZZ but if I am to rank the shows, it would be 79 > ZZ > Zeta.

>>279644662
>79 > ZZ > Zeta.
100% agree with that. The first 10 or so episodes of ZZ can be a bit rough, but after that it becomes just a better version of Zeta.

>>279644377
>In The Origin

>>279644853
Fuck off. It's a great manga.

>>279639361
Those white prime pussy were bad at telepathy sex, and the few who weren't bad were mental nutcases like Rosemia or Quess.

>>279644853
You don't need to bring Origin into this. Even in the original series, Seattle was bombed into rubble, and Garma must've overseen or ordered it. He wasn't really sad about fighting in the bombed out city and ordered more carpet bombing against the White Base.

>>279644662
>>279644797
I sure did love it when Haman was usurped by some retarded blond twink using clones of his little sister to start a war.

I sure did love those episodes focusing on some retarded Azetc colonist who contributed nothing to the overall plot

I sure do love fake out deaths especially when they're for nothing characters

>>279636639
>Vagina is an english name
It's Latin

>>279639361

Them white girls dont know the kama sutra tho.

>>279644654
Nothing just Yas seething over the fact that Fraw couldn't end up with Amuro.

Char isn't evil and he's perfectly justified. The EF is so fucked up and needs to get nuked.
Am i cooked, chat?

>>279644102
If you count Gundam evolve that Puru probably did fine.

>>279646309
>Char isn't evil and he's perfectly justified.
In 0079? He's more viciously pragmatic than evil. His motivation for killing Degwin is understandable, extending that to his children wouldn't be justified if two of them weren't crazy and evil and Garma was never taught any better.
In CCA? No, I think he's pretty evil and his actions aren't justified whatsoever.

>>279646538
Nah, fuck EF. Fuck all you fucking retarded fuckers for making this time of living the absolute worse. If you won't illicit change, someone else will.

>>279636373
Keep in mind that Amuro and the Whitebase, even at the beginning of the series, were pretty much operational and strategic level threats when you consider they were just plowing through the Zeon front lines to Odessa and obliterating Zeon forces in North America. Also, all the combat data that Amuro racked up went directly into the development of the GM and anti-MS combat in general. By the time Amuro is in space, he's acting as the spearhead for every major Federation operation, and by the time A Baoa Qu takes place, the result of the war has already largely been decided.

did Tomino et al. ever talk about their original plans before 0079 was cut short?
or is what's there all that there was going to be except more condensed?

>>279636117
Anon, those women are actually well written in reference to how women IRL act. You don't dislike them because they are poorly written, you dislike them because they are women. And that's ok, Tomino is just the OG chud

what sets would you guys recommend for a noob to gunpla?
I've only built the RG suzabi, currently watching through zeta gundam now after finishing 79

i have to know
are they saying
SHOW or CHAR on the mid episode card

>>279636139
Truly a mystery. Amuro would just go on to impregnate another blonde haired blue eyed Aryan girl, so maybe something was lost in Char's zeonic accent

>>279647070
I've commonly seen people get confused with that. It's the former but it is funnier thinking they're saying Chaaar~

>>279644463
I fucking love Amuro so much it's unreal. I should rewatch 0079

is gundam seed any good? I'm debating on watching it next after I finish zz and CCA

JIGEN HOW ARE YOU

>>279649372
SEED is okay. I don't love Kira and Lacus like the Japanese but I didn't think it was awful. If you try SEED and you like it, do not watch Destiny, that show is complete character assassination.

>>279644628
Like who, Dorothy?

>>279644654
>>279646303
Like the entire reason the two even get together is basically from Hayato breaking down about being forever in Amuro's shadow and he's well the fuck aware of the ridiculously massive torch she carries for him. Always appreciated Amuro's general apology and acknowledgement of what she did for him in Zeta

>>279646538
All of them were cunts. The only Zabi I have any respect for is Dozle, he at least wore his allegiances on his sleeve and didn't try to pull any sneaky deaky bullshit

>>279646852
His original plans were the novels. There was nothing after considering Amuro was dead, Char was implied to be going on to the same bullshit he always inevitably does, and most of the other major cast resigned

>>279634255
>turns out evangelion isn't a deconstruction of anything
It's because unlike most mecha, Evangelion is about the characters.

>>279639608
>Thats extremely obvious. What?
Every monster of the week super robot show gets serious the way EVA does and EVA as a result does not deconstruct a single thing. It took its setting from Getter Robo for fucks sake which itself took part of its setting from Mazinger Z.

>>279644797
>it becomes just a better version of Zeta.
It doesn't do a single thing better than Zeta. No one cares about any character in ZZ minus Judau and that is only because Judau is the protagonist. Haman is there, but she's not even from ZZ. There's whatsherface who only exists to pander to pedophiles anyway. The most useless and pointless set of characters in the entirety of Gundam if not all of mecha history are every single one of Judau's friend group.

>>279649872
you haven't watched much mecha have you

>>279628105 (OP)
19
>>279628144
28
>>279628245
47
>>279628399
32
>>279628330
16
>>279628434
26

>>279650415
Hut hut hike!

>>279650415
kek
>>279650245
He was being sarcastic anon

>>279646962
Any HGs made in the last 10 years or so and without excessive stickers should be easy enough.
I can vouch for something like the 2015 Mk2 because it got me back into gunpla after 18 years.

>>279649742
I'm pretty sure there are some summaries floating around about what the original plan was and it's different from the novels. I think the introduction for the novels described them more as what he would have done if he had full creative freedom.

>>279646962
get any hi nu or nu gundam you can find they're all good

>>279650245
it's an inside joke unc

>>279651587
i don't agree with anti sticker rhetoric. it forces you to learn painting. kits that are TOO good stifle growth and limit you to being an RG fag following mecha gaikotsu

>>279628330
Correct. Bright's one of my favorite characters, because he has to herd a bunch of *slightly* younger soldiers just because he's got a marginal age advantage on them. His character's done well. He's one of my favorites in UC anyway.

>>279644853

>>279644797
>Better version of Zeta
Kek, no
At least mostly everyone can agree 0079 is a gem, though

>>279650441

should I just watch the zeta movies instead of the show?

>>279644853

>>279653073
If you intend to watch ZZ then no, because it is a direct continuation of Zeta (TV) and not Zeta (ANT).

>>279653073
Nah I hated the movies. The show is fine but personally I had friends that glazed it way too much, increasing my expectations before ultimately deciding I liked the original series a lot more.

>>279638417
Girls shouldn't wear pants.

>>279653073
>>279653073
No, A New Translation has a major shift in plot direction towards the end that makes it noncanon to the rest of the UC franchise. Watch it after ZZ/CCA

>>279634281
japanese antiwar liberals are leftist because they always end up sucking ccp cocks for "muh peace", "fuck anpo" etc

>>279644797
don't listen to the butthurt plebs that can't into ZZ. I'm with you, for me it depends on the day of which series I prefer between ZZ and Z, but these days ZZ usually takes the cake. It's probably because I love japanese slapstick humor, judau being a gigachad, puru, sakuga /m/ action, and it has a way better ending than Z. The only downside is no Char, that's it. Oh and that Roux is kind of a literal who, who does jackshit most of the time and I don't by her and Judau's love.

>>279633790
This quote in particular makes me laugh because I picture Anno sitting in a cuck chair like, 10 feet away from him softly going "hai..."

>>279636441
The thing about Tomino is he clearly has an appreciation for how messy and awkward humanity can be. You need to look no further than how all of his shows have little bits where, for no other reason than it's kind of funny, someone slips, or trips, or bumps into something. But even beyond that, his characters will say something, then do something else, or think something weird, and just move on.

>>279653383
>and I don't by her and Judau's love.
Nobody buys it because there was 0 build up.
Roux only showed interest in that one painter from the africa episodes and you can even say that she might have felt something for Glemy.

>>279653383
>>279653985
Roux and Judau is not even confirmed in the show. We get a far away shot in the last episode of them being together. Just an escalation of relationship between two teenagers going together to a far away place like Jupiter.

>This is a 19 year old

If you told me he was 32 I'd believe you without question. Terrible character design, all things considered.

>>279628330
>>279652692
And then Origin aged him up because Yaz decided it made no sense even though 0079 is one of the few times the situation actually warrants a super young captain

For any gundam experts lurking around, help me figure out something.
What is the difference between a bit and a funnel?

>>279654556
Bits have their own reactor or power source while funnels have to return to the suit to recharge but it really doesn't matter they're sometimes used interchangeably in the shows.

>>279635652
I think Zeta writes checks it can't cash in the end but I don't understand people who dislike it from the get go.
Double Zeta is 5 different split personalities arguing about what the show should be and no one wins the argument.

>>279654599
Thank you for the response, you learn something new every day.

>>279654725
ZZ is pretty conventional Tomino, reminds me of something like L-Gaim which was much more comedic at the start and gets more serious going into the second half.

>>279654556
Funnel: manually controlled
Others: assisted by some kind of AI

>>279654895
I completely fucking disagree. The show needs a straight jacket and I enjoy shit like Xabungle.
It's never a linear development in ZZ. It's fits and starts and frothing at the mouth one minute straight into having a tea party with its pinky out. And then off in some other direction.

>>279654958
Do you want to actually give an example of this?

>>279654938
This isn't correct.

>>279635652
I think one of the funniest parts about ZZ is Hamman being a pathetic cake.

>>279654258
>Judau saying fuck it to the solar system, he's getting out of that shit hole
>with his harem of two lolis and the only other well adjusted character in his show
Has any Gundam protag won this hard before?

>>279636028
Im one of the few that enjoyed zz more than zeta. Although I must say the moon moon arc is the worst thing ever made in anime.

>>279655037
The fight over killing the loli or not is low hanging fruit. Or whether a certain cyber newtype is a tragedy or a joke changing mid episode.

>>279654157
I honestly thought he was early 30s or mid 20s. Knowing he's 19 has recontextualized his assholeish nature in the show for me, he doesn't seem all that bad now

>>279655792
I'd say it's also a fault of the writing. It's something that really should be brought up more.

>>279655792
it really is bad. >>279655171
show me a 19 year old who looks exactly the fucking same like 10 years later

>>279653383
>puru
I wish we got more imouto NTR. That brought more tension than all of the political drama than those people fighting for.

>>279654556
>the next gen aircraft fighters now have drones that attach themselves to the plane and can fly and fight alongside with the pilot
Can't believe Gundam predicted the future.

>>279628144
>>279628330
/thread

>>279628105 (OP)
His commanding officers are either children or sociopaths.

>>279642031
So that's why I never get any respect, huh. I didn't think it was that obvious.

>>279628105 (OP)
Amuro have been acting immature very often, especially if you watch the SERIES instead of the movies.

>>279628245
The series surprisingly has a lot of serious part showing you need a specific mentality to be an officer.
Come to mind the time when Mirai Yashima has to take over command for Bright Noa.

>>279653073
No? It would be like if a faggot only watched death & rebirth.

>>279631211
It was the leaded-gasoline era, please understand.

>>279655037
Glemy Toto going from a weird pedo to a supposed mastermind that can compete with Haman. Mashymre going from a weird joke character to a suicide bomber. The entire Dublin arc where even after we get a colony drop it's the least impactful one ever, which is why everyone calls it a lawn dart. The fakeout death of Imouto, made worse because it's Sayla out of nowhere. The fact that the mcs never face consequences for constantly flipping between sides. Amuro faced heavy punishment for less. Bright goes from a captain to a daycare manager. And don't get me started on his cheating story arc.

>>279631473
>betrayed a friend
>friend
Only one of the two thought of it that way.

>>279643668
>>279644042
>>279644463
I remember being told that in some side-material, they interview Amuro's mother and she admits she said horrible things to her son.

>>279631211
What's funnier to me is that from 079 to Hathaway's Flash he doesn't age a day.

>>279654556
>What is the difference between a bit and a funnel?
They fucked up the terminology because of the "fin funnel" of CCA that didn't follow >>279654599 definition.
Missed the occasion to have a clean naming convention

>>279654938
WRONG.

>>279658928
Garma was the only realistic way Char's 1st Rebellion works. Everything that happens to Char afterwards is karmic. Also if we don't consider this to be a lie it's safe to say he was putting on an act of liking Kamille to. His only goal was to groom a newtype messiah because he's too insecure to take on the role himself for being a weak newtype compared to Amuro who was born on Earth and siphoned Lalah's attention.

>>279658816
>Come to mind the time when Mirai Yashima has to take over command for Bright Noa.
That was a nice arc.

>>279653179
>I liked the original series a lot more.
It's the salt that make all the difference.

>>279634255
Deconstruction is a concept made up by a hack "philosopher" in the mid-XX century. Coming from French academia, the word itself is charged with an inflanted importance.

People, especially nerds, spout the word "deconstruction" over media to make it look intellectual and important. That's why you have idiots claiming that One Punch Man is a "deconstruction" when in reality it's just a parody. Then the idiots claiming Evangelion is a "deconstruction" when in reality it's just a story that uses genre-specific clichés in unexpected ways.

Even calling Gundam a "deconstruction of itself" is nothing but pseudointellectual wankery.

To paraphrase Derrida, who almost got a stroke on camera when asked if Seinfeld was a deconstruction of sitcoms, "deconstruction does not create TV shows."

Deconstruction itself is a method of analyzing text and meaning. It's not a creative device nor does it produce anime plots.

>>279659293
Deconstruction is what our eyes do when we watch something. It has nothing to do with media beyond documenting how our observation works and how we categorise and breakdown concepts because of our subjective eyes. I doubt many people would agree with his worldview and are using his buzzword without understanding what it stems from.

>>279642084
>those 2 words are doing a lot of heavy lifting considering the girl he has issues over is 14.
What? Lalah was 17 during the One Year War. Char was 19-20
If you're talking about Quess, he outright says right before this that he always found her annoying. Amuro points out that Quess was trying to use Char as a substitute father figure

>tfw Bright was 19 when OYW happened
>he became captain due chain of command

>>279659293
Your opinion hold less value than that of Derrida,
But I can understand why you want to avoid "pseudointellectual wankery" as is the nuance-less exaggerated use of the term.
However, deconstruction is still a creative process that was definitely in use (on purpose or accidentally) in the examples you posted.
This language is alive and the concept of deconstruction gained extra meanings.

A deconstruction simply cannot happen without first setting up exactly the tropes you intend to break down and it can be done in multiple ways.
So deconstruction isn't a thing a fiction is/isn't, and it can be done in many ways, serious or humoristic.

Gundam wasn't meant to be one, it was more of a real military drama disguised as the Super-robot show accepted at the time. But in the process it still broke down singular aspects of super-robot, such as the idiocy of MotW when it comes to military logistic.
Evangelion is a mix, it played some tropes as straight as you can do, it also meant to just subvert other, but it did deconstruct well known super-robot tropes by showing how scary they can be if you look beyond superficial aspects.
And OPM is definitely a deconstruction in its very foundation, its basis is the breakdown of the idea that heroes are always as strong as they need to be, always arrive in time, and their (inevitable) victory mainly the result of their heroic efforts.

You do not "make a deconstruction", but you make a work of art that show a deconstruction of established concept, all within a context. Which is why when the resulting method of a "deconstruction" is copied a lot, it eventually looks like average.

>>279634255
Gundam is channeling people's annoyances with Mazinger. NGE is explicitly hitting the trops of Mazinger.

>>279646852
It ends a lot more generically, Gihren seizes control and they end up fighting him and his mech. With the help of Char, after Gihren captures White Base.
Degwin admits to Sayla before he dies that he poisoned Zeon.
A Newtype woman assists White Base for a bir, she's Bright's love interest but he shoots her when it's revealed she's a Zeon spy.

Damn this scene was unintentionally hot.

>>279660785
>unintentionally
anon, read up on the origins of her name.

>>279628144
>>279628245
These, without a chain of command the enemies will roflstomp you.

>>279628105 (OP)
One thing that isn't clear in the show is that Amuro finds the Gundam on September 18 and the series ends on December 31, and the series is 43 episodes long. Amuro barely had time to sleep between all the fighting, so it is understandable if he was unstable.

>>279654157
>>279655792
>>279655896
you people seriously need to get out more

>>279649372
>>279649530
Everybody needs to watch Destiny for the memes it spawned.

>>279659975
The logical conclusion of your argument is that everything, every single piece of media, art or even arguments are deconstruction.
>your opinion hold less value than that of Derrida
So does the opinion of every nerd throwing the word "deconstruction" around to describe things that aren't.
>OPM is a deconstruction because it breaks down
It's a parody. It takes all the elements from superheroes and makes a mockery of them in the same way that The Great Dictator is satire and not a deconstruction of nazism.

>>279661242
I mean, even in the show itself he literally says that he can't even sleep

>>279633790
>Anno: I think so too.
Kills me every single time. That madman Anno is along for the ride.

>>279646309
no you're correct

>>279628105 (OP)
To be fair Amuro is non-military who just happens to be able to pilot the Gundam.

>>279636721
It has been a while, but I found the first half to be fantastic and the Zeta is gorgeous, but it falls off once the enemies are all in tanky mobile armors so they can flee after getting beaten instead of blowing up, over and over again.

>>279661807
I remember REALLY being impressed starting with OP, but art in the show itself as well. They seriously upped their game.

Is Unicorn any good? I'm tempted to watch it for Mineva. Also TV or OVAs?

>>279628105 (OP)
OH hi
didn't see you there

>>279659293
I see so in order for people to call me a genius all I have to do is pick a concept/genre and make it more mean and call it a deconstruction.
I got an idea for a teletubbies deconstruction where they are all depressive aliens that can transmit human suffering through their bellies and the kid in the sun age until his death to symbolize the inevitable death

>>279661858
The English OP is vastly superior to the JP OP.

favorite RG sets?

>>279660709
Was that woman Kusko Al?

>>279641116
I think Bright treated Sayla better later exactly because he knew he fucked up dealing with Amuro the first time and Sayla only took the Core Fighter/G-Fighter IIRC

>>279661242
Don't forget he's also the only mechanic for it! Since everyone else on board was a civillian too and he's the only one with any mechanical or engineering skills he has to maintain the fucking thing too. As a F-16 mechanic that's fucking nuts to me

>>279634371
'Bajeena' is a direct translation from the Japanese name though:
>バジーナ
>BA JII NA

>>279642151
Katejina was always insane and thought herself some sort of genius manipulator who can toy with men with her vagina. She thought Uso as her orbiter so she royally lost her she when Uso pulled the no way fag on her

>>279661242
FYI, it takes, at minimum, four or five days to travel the distance from Luna 2 to the Earth's surface
you can't really go faster than that

>>279661908
>is Unicorn any good
no
>TV or OVAs
OVAs
you should watch it for Marida

>>279662773
you do realize that Japanese doesn't have a "Va" syllable, right?
its closest approximation is "Ba"

>>279633150
The Nuremberg trials and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>first watched 0079 after playing Gundam Evo
>got to the point where it shows Amuro's MVP scene where he picks off Doms while counting 1 to 3
>mfw the count goes way past 3
Goddamn.

0079's recap movies were pretty shit

>>279662701
At least in the films, she launched in the Gundam. Amuro took the Guncannon out to subdue her. She was such a mess that she could barely pilot the damn thing so Amuro swept a leg and dropped her suit

why do people complain so much about amuro as if he's a bad MC? most of his actions are pretty valid and he has an actual spine.
I guess just the autistic tantrums? but even then he's right most of the time

Holy shitballs, the sexual tension of these two.
Would the war end so early if only Judau dicked Haman the first time they met?

>>279663093
But they do. Not in any Japanese words but with foreign words they write ヴァ to make the 'va' sound.

>>279628821

>>279661807
I'm currently still getting through Zeta (43/50) and this ihas been nagging me for over half the show.
Ever since the transforming mobile suits showed up the AEUG suits have all been far outclassed.
Even when the Zeta and upgrade for the mk.2 came in it felt more like a temporary levelling of the playing field rather than getting a leg up, and then Kamille and the Zeta just keeps getting styled on by any named character in anything newer than a hizack.

>>279665185
The Gundam Mk2 may have been fragile, but at least they let Kamille kill people with it.

Welp, I've done it. I just completed the trilogy.
I really don't know what to say. 79 was really REALLY good but got damn. Was that all? I was expecting much more. Like a space odyssey, a universe that I would lose myself going into. A universe that if God isekai'd me there, I would forever be in debt to him.

I think Gundam as a franchise was better than in my head.

>>279665421
Oh, sorry, common misunderstanding. When you see people talking about a "trilogy" we're actually talking about Mobile Suit Gundam, Anne of Green Gables, and Rose of Versailles.

You know, the trilogy of 1979's 3 best anime series. I don't know what that other ZZ Top crap you're talking about is.

>>279665421
>A universe that if God isekai'd me there, I would forever be in debt to him.
I mean, the villains are primarily genocidal maniacs in UC. Sure, the Australians deserved it, but they killed all of the people in the colony to drop it too. And then they do that again later. Then you watch CCA and Char loses it, too. You'd have to really love giant robots, and if you did there's surely better options.

Just got to this part
>One for the boy as well
>He's a bit young for you isn't he dear?

What??????

>>279665514
>When you see people talking about a "trilogy" we're actually talking about Mobile Suit Gundam, Anne of Green Gables, and Rose of Versailles.
When you put it like that, it's fucking crazy to think we got an (A)UC Gundam, a remake of Anne, and a Rose of Versaille movie all in the same year 46 years later.

>>279665630
Well, silver lining, /m/ is now decipherable for me. Or at least 90% of it.
I can now visit that board with confidence.

>>279666226
But why would you want to? Have you seen the state of that board?

>>279659293
>Derrida
He was mostly just butthurt from literary deconstruction escaping his definition of the term while he was still alive. Since almost everyone is familiar less with his philosophy and more with the idea described in literary circles it's specious to go back to Derrida and talk about what he thinks it is. Derrida is free to say it's not true deconstruction but that doesn't magically make what other people use the term to refer to not exist, especially when for many years it was a heavily used and very real processes in criticism.

>>279661403
You just don't understand.
Everything can be deconstructing something. I could deconstruct your post like the reductio ad absurdum fallacy you attempt by misrepresenting my point. It's as if I said that by your logic all Apple are Pear because both are fruits.
That or, assuming you are the same anon, the attempt to give yourself authority through Derrida.

While I've seen the term deconstruction misused myself, I consider your own misunderstanding to be worse than those people.

>OPM
Is actively deconstructing the superheroes tropes into their bare elements and reassembling them with tweaks with the goal of putting forward in an organic way, the absurdity of the original tropes.
Deconstruction can be done for humor.
Yet...
>The Great Dictator
Is not similar. While Charly Chaplin naturally analyzed the methods by which Nazism functioned, the main goal of this movie has never been to put forward the inner-working of these methods, it didn't even subvert them, but to satirize them through skillful exaggeration.

You just do not understand the use of the term deconstruction.

>>279665421
the trilogy was 0079, Zeta, and CCA, not Zeta and ZZ

>>279661908
Watch it only for its production values.

>>279670014
isn't cca after zz?

>>279670648
ZZ isn't real, it's fake, it doesn't matter

>>279670666
ZZ is real tho they say so in the opening

>>279671128
no they said that it's not anime, we should take them at their word

>>279661324
He looked like a grown ass man from day one

>>279649993
Based

>>279665682
so was her husband like a cuck or something?
he totally just is going along with it in this scene

>>279654157
It's just the outfit. His face could easily fit for a 19 year old.

So what I'm understanding from this thread is that ZZ is not worth watching, but the people who say that went out of their way to watch 50 episodes of it

>>279672368
19 year olds dont have receding hairlines like that grandpa go back to bed

>>279672368
>>279672422
It's the eyes. Amuro looks young, even in his uniform. It's also the writing. You actually get to see that Amuro is a teenage PTSD wreck. Unless I'm memory holing it, there isn't a whole lot of, "goddamn, Bright, you're 19 and dealing with some serious leadership shit."

>>279628105 (OP)
There is big difference how this stuff is handled between the old stuff and the new stuff.

In new stuff for example the officer would be obviously very wrong while Amuro chimes in few words of reason. The officer would get bat shit insane and kick Amuro out of the Gundam party and go fight against the Zeon with his SSSSS-ranked pilot buddies. However the officer, missing Amuro's deep insights ("maybe we shouldn't attack the obvious trap in a big ball?") is summarily dispatched along with his group. Amuro on the other hand would receive a super-upgraded Gundam left to him by his father who also designed the Gundams by the way.

In the old stuff Amuro is an immature person backtalking his superior with good ideas. The superior who is also an immature person forced into his circumstances backhands Amuro for backtalking because the nail that stands out gets the hammer. The name of that officer? Bright.

The difference is that the first is make believe wish fullfilling fantasy. The latter is unloading war era trauma where lives of competent docile people were put in the hands of incompetent jingoists.

>>279646538
>I think he's pretty evil and his actions aren't justified whatsoever.
t. CCA Char

>>279672504
Also look at Amuro's chin and cheeks. Clear babyface. Bright has a chiseled jaw. Bright just genuinely has bad character design. It doesn't inform you what should be a key element of his character. Make his face younger, while trying to look stern and in control.

>>279672422
>Full head of hair
>"Receding hairline"
Blindbro...

>>279672566
You can see his arch dont tell me you cope about that not being receding

>>279672566
Norwood 2 at 19. Grim.

>>279672657
Everyone has an arch

>>279665421
OYW and Zeon shenanigans are the best part of UC. The series is kinda limp outside of that.

>>279672692
boraito...

>>279628144
kys, Bright

>>279628330
Wasn't he like 19 during the One Year War?

so having just finished Zeta and starting ZZ I can see why its so hated.

Its not so much the tone change, its just the pure undistilled disrespect to the Zeta cast.
Woo I'm a plucky young opportunistic kid from the slums, I'm gonna steal that gundam to make a quick buck and no fuddy duddy military types are going to stop me.
Also I'm sure this Titan guy we found totally isn't a bad guy that already killed some of the Zeta cast already and his death would have been one of the few wins they ever had.

>>279665421
You still need to watch CCA

>>279628105 (OP)
>Watching wokeslop that promotes the White Aryan Chad with Brown woman racemixing agenda
Tomino is like Watanabe, one of two only woke directors in this industry.

>>279675149
>this Titan guy we found totally isn't a bad guy that already killed some of the Zeta cast already and his death would have been one of the few wins they ever had.
I was real disappointed to find out he was still alive

>>279675635
anon this is /a/
I think you got lost from /pol/ or something

>>279675635
>Tomino and Watanabe
>Only two woke directors
Ikuhara, Okouchi, and Mari Okada are also certainly up there.

>>279635770
It’s a show about war written by Japanese men 24 years after World War II. Of course the war ended up being pointless.

>>279662701
He treated Sayla better because he was 19 and she was hot as fuck.

>>279638296
It’s been awhile, but I swear the original captain of White Base died in the series, and in the movies they just drop him off at a hospital somewhere and he’s never mentioned again.

>>279636096
>Eva is a deconstruction of the Super Robot genre
Iczer was already Evangelion a decade before Evangelion.

>>279676099
correct
the movie also skips garma's gf dying in an attempt at revenge

>>279628144
>>279628245
Right, that's true, but the biggest successes of the White Base came from creativity, not the traditional formula of carefully following orders. Bright was so crappy captain that he had to toss away his "muh rank superiority" and minimize discipline to bear minimum to let his crew come out of all those missions alive.

>>279672195
It's not cuckoldry if he's fucking Amuro's ass.

>>279677074
I didn't consider the potential this might have been a triple threat match kek

why was Ramba Ral cheating on Hamon with Rinko

>>279665421
It's an old but cool anime, dunno why you were expecting it to change your life.

>>279659293
He was (((French)))

>>279659293
Derrida?
More like Derriere

>>279675635
It literally doesn't you retard. In fact, the obsession with le mysti ARYANSAAR was something shared with some of the 20th century nazi occultists. Amuro impregnates Beltorchika & Sayla in the various Tomino penned novels, 2 characters straight out of German propaganda papers.

>>279633428
>28:48
Was tha Char Nagano?
I remember some pic of him dressed as Char and his future wife Maria Kawamura as Lalah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjqkkgjZwM
Imagine a Gundam game/anime with Yoko Taro and Tomino?

>>279680512
Taro hasn't made anything worthwhile since the very first Drakengard. If he ever got his hands on Gundam, it'd just be a cashgrab to fuel his booze addiction like everything he's made post-Automata.

>>279665421
I'm a tv anime purist but the music for the A Bao Qu finale in the movie version gets me every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hdlyfLtiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAvSKaT4Tnw

>>279644042
Based Tomino was trying to warn young boys about women

>>279672547
>>279665010
>>279658928

With all the char clones they made, I'm surprised there hasn't been one that got raised by a good mom and didn't turn evil.
Sounds like an easy way to make char the protagonist of a future series

>>279659173
Except he doesn't betray Kamille? He doesn't do anything negative to Kamille at all. Throwing Axis into the Earth is unrelated. Though I do feel like we're missing something significant for character development for Char between the end of Zeta and the beginning of CCA.

>>279681122
Harry is generally counted as a Char clone but never turns evil or betrays anyone.
>>279681145
I interpret it as the events of ZZ break him. He watched people sacrifice so much During Zeta and throughout ZZ the AEUG just becomes as bad as the federation and by the end, very little has changed since the end of the OYW.

>>279632447
Radar jamming particals that make mobile suits more effective than space warships.

>>279681669
Dude having a mid-life crisis isn't really all that far off. He ran out of patience for humanity to get its shit together and panicked, fucked a bunch of shit up on top of thinking he could finally put one over on Amuro, then failed at absolutely everything leaving Amuro to clean up his mess one last time

Jesus.
Is this what a deadbeat dad does to his wife?

Welp, I watched it all. I honestly still don't know what to say.
What was people's reaction to this? Just give me straight. Maybe its my fault for coming in with high expectation like DYRL but I did not expected this.
Did Noa's kid just shoot a friendly? Did Amuro really moved half of an asteroid with the power of newtype bullshit? Did Char just committed mass genocide because he got Mom NTR'd thirteen years ago?

This show feels like a one big meme that went out of control and I can't believe there is a board that exists solely for this.

>>279685102
Technically /m/ exists because SEED posting got out of control

>>279685102
We are still processing it to this very day. Its okay to not be on board or hate aspects of the story. There are problems. Gundam is Gundam. Keeping Char out of ZZ I feel is the biggest issue of the entire thing. But the VA wasn't available so it is something we need to deal with. But as a whole I don't regreat Gundam. I love this franchise its fun. It keeps it fresh and never leaves you wanting.

>>279654157
Anon, Tomino was making this shit in the 1970s.
Here's a bunch of 19y olds from his time.

What really makes Bright look older than he is is his status. Genuinely a guy in charge of the lives of the civilians and the entire crew, calling all the shots.

>Amuro, did you install it?

>>279664918
Anon, that was just a technicality for them.
People of Tomino's generation genuinely can't even say V.
Bideo Geemu, Bikutaa kabushiki gaisha (the creators of VHS), VHS（ブイ・エイチ・エス) and so on and on.
A real shouwa umaresodachi fairly likely just puts B everywhere.

>>279685102
Everyone thought it was shit for years until twitter/tumblr discovered Anno saying it was a masterpiece during the peak of his mental illness

>>279680598
>Taro hasn't made anything worthwhile since the very first Drakengard
Same with Tomino and Gundam

>>279664685
I liked Amuro, a lot. People just hating because he isn't Chad Thundercock from episode 1 and actually follows the heroes' journey. It makes the final episode where he has a battle of ideals against Char and reunites with his people at the end so much better knowing the struggles he went through.

>>279684059
wife and child*
don't scratch your head too much as to why Hathaway grows up so fucked up after watching CCA.

>>279681669
Harry is an antiChar if anything besides the mask and the melancholy which is why he ends up with a good ending.
>leaves his family because he thinks they're stupid
>loyal to a fault, willing to let his lover die over it
>doesn't job

Dubs and I kill myself by taking off my helmet in space.

>>279675635
sure, buddy.

>>279628486
Hayato...

>>279686372
I hate Yas

It's quite amazing if you think about how the Gundam was just a high performance GM by the time of A Baoa Qu outclassed by Zeon's Gelgoogs and Rick Doms in terms of machine performance yet still casually dunks on all of them. Amuro was truly built different.

>>279686716
No?
Amuro was told numerous times that the Gundam is what the reason why he was winning in his first battles. His first battle with Rick Doms almost killed him. It's not until later that he started dunking them when he awakened his newtype powers.
Sayla casually shooting down Ricks at the end confuses me tho.

>>279628105 (OP)
Military discipline is not about who is right and who is wrong, it's about maintaining military discipline.

>>279685102
It's insanely overrated. What could be a great ending to a 10 years old arc turned out to be a theater tourist slop.

>>279685594
I really thought him throwing away the hdd is going to lead to something, like "my father is smart actually, I should've listened to him" but later I realized it was just a random metal piece and his father has gone schizo.

>>279685102
And thus begins the floodgates of vague Newtype power bullshit like we see in Unicorn and Gquuuux

>>279628105 (OP)
A calm discussion was overdue. Guided by Salya, Amuro could make his case in a calm manner. This approach may have been the key to peace with Char.


Instead Amuro let his emotions get the better of him and co-signed us all to war.

>>279680598
>he didn't watch kamierabi

I preordered a the said gqux kits. I may cancel some…

>>279687180

>>279685594
I haven't been watching the spinoff, anyone know if Tem Ray is dead or alive?

>>279687127
>has gone schizo*.
*brain-damaged from oxygen deprivation.

>>279687318
>Tem Ray is dead or alive?
Yes

>>279686264
Victory taught me white women are evil to the core and you should be willing to die for brown pussy

>>279686883
>Sayla casually shooting down Ricks at the end confuses me tho.
That's because even though the suits have improved, the skill level of their pilots are actually lower than the ones earlier in the war because many of Zeon's aces and veterans were already wiped out. It was mentioned that they were deploying student pilots in Gelgoogs during the defense of A Baoa Qu.

>>279685102
it gets revered because it's gundam with a yuge budget and it's the end of Amuro and Char's stories. But yeah it's a flawed movie.

Damn. Watching Hathaway again makes sense NOW.
I, too, also wish I can turn into an international terrorist leader after getting rejected by a girl.

>>279639485
Char in fact has 4 vaginas

>>279686372
kek what a cuck

>>279689020
He only knew her for a day
It would make sense if they took the BC route but I doubt they did

Are there any defense contractor than Anaheim?
Are they the only ones who can build Gundams?
Are they actually the bad guys?

>>279689020
>Hathaway's rejection was so bad he started to idolize the man who took his girl away
I'm sensing a pattern here. Are all UC characters incel nutjobs?

>>279686372
Awful page. Amuro saw Fraw as a sister at best and Hayato was never this insecure.

What is the concensus on Victory? I'm watching Gundam with a friend and we finished everything from the first up to Victory (including the OVAs and CAA).
I really enjoyed that one arc in the middle of the show, but everything else kinda blurs together, some cool moments for sure but I found less things to enjoy compared to every other entry so far (even Stardust Memory with the NTR ending is still pretty cool up to that point). We loved memeing about the casts in Zeta, ZZ, etc, and Victory isn't exactly lacking in good characters either, but kinda feels like the characters you want to see aren't getting screentime? It focuses a lot in Uso. Most obvious example is maybe Katejina because she really catches your eye at first, and there's some implied emotional arc for her but it's happening mostly off-screen.

In any case, time for G Gundam, I heard this one is fun.

>>279665421
OKAY NOW WATCH WAR IN THE POCKET AND EXPERIENCE ABSOLUTE LUDO KINO

>>279683333
WITNESSED
>>279685102
remove quess, tone down Hathaway's dickishness just a bit, focus more on Amuro vs Char and not their stupid little love squares and it'd be perfect.

>>279686883
Sayla might be the second best pilot on the White Base crew

>>279691222
I liked the first half of Victory just fine but I got really annoyed with how much trouble Shahkti kept causing. She should've just stayed with Cronicle instead of getting kidnapped all the time.
Maybe the death rate should be lower too, at least sparing a couple of the Shrikes, because it's hard to care for any characters when they die too often.

>>279690679
yeah
no
yeah

>>279659120
So he's the type to age earlier but look the same much later

>>279686372
What is Amuro thinking in that moment? because he must be confused.

>>279686372
>PLEASE DON'T FUCK MY WIVE I'M BEGGING YOU

>>279686372
>>279694354
>Yas’ intense hatred for Hayato due to being a CF supporter

why the fuck didn't omuro just fuck fraw

>>279686372
>>279694354
What the fuck did Hayato do to Yas?

>>279695212
I think Amuro was literally autistic.

>>279695706
actually wouldn't be surprised.
probably also a combination of his PTSD, lack of sleep, and fraw constantly hounding him over bullshit and annoying him for dumb shit.

I watched the 0079 over a decade ago and loved it, but Z filtered me so badly i never touched anything UC related ever again.

>>279691820
>OKAY NOW WATCH WAR IN THE POCKET
Roger. Adding in my queue. I just want more military drama and this seem promising.

>>279655171
>gets cucked out of that plan thanks to the jupiter empire
That being said Old man Jewdough kicking ass in Victory era was good.

>>279695666
Apparently the story goes that Yas wanted Fraw and Amuro get together, because in his mind the childhood friend must win meanwhile Tomino thought it was stupid. Also it's weird considering Amuro show more romantic interest on a damn tomato than with Fraw in the anime.

>>279691992
Film doesn't work without Quess and Hathaway is not dickish.

is zeta really that bad? I'm almost through 79 and I'm dreading it now kek

>>279696915
Just try watching it. It still feels like 79 so wouldn't be that lost. It really depends on what do you like about Gundam.

>>279696915
Character emotions run really high in Zeta. I like it.

>>279696915
Zeta is initially so good I thought the haters must all be smoking crack when I finally started watching it back in the day.
But if you keep watching the haters start to make more sense. I still liked it overall though.

>>279696915
It is actually shit

>>279696915
it has the best gundam in it (the Mk-II)

>>279696872
it absolutely can work without Quess, or at the very least bring in a different newtype he could manipulate without them being frustratingly retarded. I know that's rare with newtypes, but something like puru, or even a schizo like Four or Rosammy would be better. And Hathaway is a little dick due to his immaturity, which gets better after receives some much needed slap therapy and having to constantly tard wrangle quess

>>279696915
You don't deserve her.

>>279696915
Zeta is 0079 but on schizo sterons, which is part of the reason of why it's so kino

>>279697826
TAMED BY JUDAU

I've seen someone refering to Zeta as the "Digimon Tamers" of the Gundam franchise. Not sure on what angle they meant with that analogy. Maybe they were talking about the emotions part >>279697043 ?

>>279696915
Zeta is great, there's one south east asian shitposter that is obsessed with hating it. The mods could get rid of him if they wanted to but they like that type of schizo samefagging and spam on every board

>>279698309
Yes, Mr. Sherman, everything you don't like is just one poster.

>>279698433
the collective board of /m/ has like 20 posters at most.

>>279687318
I think he got spaced, so everything went the same for him.

>>279699325
he did not get spaced in GQ

>>279691049
Yes, that's why it's so good.

>>279672657
An arch isn't receding. Even women can have it. There are some zoomers with full blown MPB in high school, though.

people calling Bright too old-looking have never interacted with other people irl

Fa or Four?

>>279661908
Unicorn is good enough

>>279702686
There's more to anime than animation.

>>279668078
There are more suited word to describe those series. Open a book and stop watching YouTube "essays".

when does Ideon get good

>>279702187
Fa, that's not even a question

>>279636096
Tomino already deconstructed Super Robots with Zambot 3 like 20 years before Eva
Once again with Ideon
Anno just wanted to do an anime like Tomino-sensei, but with more Ultraman

>>279702187

>>279704868
dear god, how is fa still the best gundam girl to this day?!

>>279704923
That may be the most adorably dorky moment in the history of the franchise.

>>279702187
The better question is what did Fa do right that Frau do wrong because they're both non-newtype childhood friends but only Fa succeeded.

>>279704868
>>279704952
>
it's the simple things in life I want...

>>279704952
>dat handslide 5 secs in
KAMIRU!!

>gundam 79 thread nearly reaching bump limit on modern /a/
maybe you guys still have good taste after all

Why doesn't Fraw wear pants with her uniform? The little cocktease.

>>279705263
I feel like there's a reason why newfags are starting to pick it up...

>>279705358
the gunpla propoganda is working

>>279705240
What's the point of living if you can't feel your girlfriend's butt while in space?

>>279628105 (OP)
Cazzies are watching because they want to feel smug about the genre or anon is retarded ? Also, Gundam is better without subs, in the original language. No translation comes close to Tomino writing

>>279702753

>>279630698
>>279634319
>spergs enter the thread
Throughout Tomino's entire career he could be considered progressive at every point with the exception of MAYBE the late 80s (considering Macross).
Tomino is not right wing or left wing though, he is explicitly anti-ideology. Stop being a faggot.

>>279706003
bro you're responding to posts from two days ago

>>279706003
Tomino, like most boomers, is left leaning. Many of their ideas can pass as conservative or even far left. Which causes confusion in trying to understand their politics, not to mention cultural differences

>>279706634
my favorite instance of this lately was somebody responding to posts from almost two weeks ago speculating about the, at the time, newest episode of GQuuuuuuX
it was very funny

>>279707249
what the fuck

>>279707492
that was on /m/
forgot what board I was on, oops, either way newfags are very funny

>>279694354
What compels fat people to wear polo shirts? You'd look better wearing a button shirt and be more comfortable.

>>279628486
>also, he really is stern with fraw sometimes or even just ignores her

>>279685594
>AU where Amuro installs the drive.

>>279707580
thank you Sayla for saying what we were all thinking

>>279702187
You're retarded or Kamille to choose Four over Fa.

>>279635770
I remember a fan theory(?) that White base and the Gundam were suppose to be a economical and military distraction for Zeon. The Feddies used it to buy them more time to mass produce the GMs and the like. It makes sense too, because White Base and Bright never actually received any orders aside from "now go here" until A Baoa Qu.

>>279708513
iirc that's like a "schizo" theory that Amuro comes up with early on, everybody tells him "you crazy bro" but then like 20 episodes later, it turns out to be true? At least that's what I remember.

>>279708513
It's kinda true. Feds also realized that and used them as bait while they prep themselves to attack Solomon.
Weird tactic tho.

>>279635770
>>279708513
>>279708732
>>279708796
The Gundam and the White Base were instrumental to the war effort until after the GMs were provided with the combat data from the Gundam's learning computer and sent to the battlefield en masse. The Gundam and the White Base only had a secondary distraction and propaganda purpose after that.

>>279702187
>Fa
But I don't want my anime girl behave like real women.

>>279635817
>Smirroco

How the fcuk did you fatfinger that?! The C key is nowhere near the M key!

>>279638171
According to the katakana it should be Chronocle.

>>279639208
>the Island which is famously QUALITY

FTFY

>>279639318
>>279639503
I always figured M'Quve was derived from a clipping of Macbeth.

>>279634255
It's more of a alternative take on the classic super robot cartoons of the 60's rather than anything Gundam related. Gundam was more of a war drama with toys.

>>279635770
>The gundam and white base were completely inconsequential to the federation winning the one year war. Zeon eats it's own tail
Did you even watch the show retard? The Gundam and white base where the biggest reason why the federation won. The entire journey to jaburo was to give data from the Gundam's/white bases combat to further the development of the federation mobile suit program. Also the gundam/white base were the very reason why the zeon forces devolved, as the death of Garma (only because char lured him into a suicide by white base) caused zeon high command to focus on destroying Gundam/white base rather than upgrade their existing mobile suits or training new pilots. By end end of the OYW the white base alone had effectively took out Zeon, with eh rest of the federation just moping up what was left of an already fractured force.

>>279687442
Most of the Shrike team were good women, doomed but good

>>279703823
Ep12 onwards
14 is a highlight

>>279644102
>Puru
ffs anon

>>279709693
Eva is 80% Raideen and 20% other shit Anno grew up watching

>>279652833

>>279658928
A more accurate translation would've been that he was never on anyone's side to betray.

>>279662080
>badmouthing Neil Sedaka

Your pleb taste dismays me.

>>279664880
Doubtful when she was already committed to her prior political endeavors.

>>279672195
She was just being a tease, he understood that and responded with bants. It's not that hard to figure out.

>>279676596
The one on the left has the AWESOME face for a hair ornament.

>>279680891
I'm also partial to Ai Senshi. Inoue Daisuke provided some real bangers for the trilogy (and CCA).

>>279681669
>Harry is generally counted as a Char clone but never turns evil or betrays anyone.
Like that old demotivator said: In the future, Char will be less ambitious and more awesome.

>>279686205
What site?

>>279644102
There's Aila in Build Fighters if you wanna count that

>>279709920
>Neil Sedaka
I like Zeta's second opening a lot so I wonder what the original "For Us to Decide" sounded like.

>>279696009
You owe it to yourself to watch War in the Pocket.

>>279696915
It definitely has its flaws, but you may find enough to like about it to outweigh all that. Watch it and judge for yourself.

>>279697909
>NO WAY FAG'D BY JUDAU

FTFY

>>279702686
Budget Itano circus: As effective as the original at only a fraction of the spectacle.

>>279704952
That leglock tho

>>279705805
Reminds me of that old z-hundam.swf flash from the mid 2000s.

>>279707249
Got an archive link?

>>279709825
Like the other cyber newtypes, that is a stupid name.

>>279710240
We'll never know since apparently it was never recorded.

>>279710423
The usual mistransliteration is even stupider.

>>279708513
I dunno, but it is why the Whitebase called the Trojan horse? Or it was called later? I haven't watched it again for a long time now.

>>279710593
Zeon called it the trojan horse, ironically. Since they didn't know the actual name.

>>279710593
Because it looks like a horse?

>>279710624
Was it called later after jaburo? Since now Zeon found out that the whitebase is a distraction?

>>279710402
no

>>279710663
no, Char names it that before the events of the series while he's been chasing it from Earth, he uses the name throughout the series

>>279710456
nah, I like it more
it's the sound of me licking her purus

>>279649612
Allelujah Haptism and Marie Parfacy

Can someone here please make a GQuuuuuux thread? The Challia thread with 400+ posts got deleted for some reason. Thanks!

>>279711294
Just wait until 30 minutes before the new episode this week. A show doesn't constantly need a thread up, that just leads to ruination for the quality of the discussions and has the same follies as generals.

>>279711294
>>279711771
read this too late and already created it fuck >>279711846

>>279711867
If you can't delete it, ask people to ignore the thread and for a mod to delete it.

>>279636619
Fraw Bow, a girl in his daily life, was not an object to which the adjective “sexy” could be applied. If he had to describe Fraw Bow, she’d be a nosy woman with puffy cheeks. Despite the pair of curvy legs protruding from beneath her skirt, when she complained to him about her period cramps he didn’t know what she was talking about, aside from the understanding that she was annoying.