why does this board keep insisting that the HF route is better than the UBW route?

/a/ is not a hivemind.

/a/ is one person

UBW mogs but NTR freaks like sakura

should i make redman or gil my personality for this year

>>279654350
You're the only one thinking about it though

>>279654350
Then how most NTR doujins are of Rin?

>>279654431
>this year
pathetic, we're all gar up in this bitch all day everyday

>>279654481
>>279654530
non-sequiturs o algo

>>279654296 (OP)
>still doesn't know
Heaven's Feel is the canonical route and ending.

>>279654296 (OP)
A reason can be because it's when shit gets really serious. All the actual masters are in the bout, no faction is holding back. Kirei is doing priest shit and throwing hands actively. Zouken pulls his hidden agenda. Archer has to act as a Counter Guardian. Shirour loses his servant. Medusa is not nerfed. Lancer actually tries to be serious. Berserker is hunting masters down. It is nothing short of hype once the dramatic buildup is done.

>>279654296 (OP)
Because the part with Caster wasn't very good.

>>279656787
It was actually. You were just too retarded to get it.

>>279654296 (OP)
Hello, I'm /a/, and HA is the best route.

>>279654296 (OP)
Because it's true.

>>279654431
>he isn't Cu Chulainn
Not gonna make it.

Though I'm trying to become a Kirei myself since I began waging at a soulless corpo.

>>279654296 (OP)
/a/ believes Shirou's character assassination in HF was deep and not just garbage writing.

>>279658519
>he goes through the same character arc as Kiritsugu
>"le character assassination"
Are all rinfags anime-only secondaries?

>>279658519
In what way was it character assassination? People act like Shirou just decides to give up his ideals and never looks back but he spends the whole route doubting and suffering for his decision and almost goes back on it and tries to kill Sakura.

Obligatory
>F/SN = Nakige
>UBW = Shounen
>HF = Edgycore

>>279658546
>>279658636
If Shirou's ideal is to save "everyone", then "everyone" has to include Sakura. There is no conflict between his ideal and protecting Sakura, yet Nasu insists as if there is one.
>almost goes back on it and tries to kill Sakura.
That was literally the worst scene in the entire VN.

>>279658519
>writing
That's why Kohaku was praised but Sakura was (and somewhat is) shunned. But most of all Nasu and Takeuchi die for blonde white women so it's an unfair comparison from the get go.

>>279658546
>Rinfag mention out of nowhere
Rent free

>>279654431
I made Shiki my shadow self in 2015 and never looked back des

>>279654530
most people are sakurafags and thats the only way they will interact with doujins

>>279658546
>>279659069
Words cannot properly explain how stupid you are if you think Kiritsugu and HF Shirou are anything alike or that the latter's having a character arc vaguely similar to that of a character who hadn't even been written yet is a point in his favour btw

>>279659210
>most people are sakurafags
Since when?

>>279658792
The entire point of that is to show Shirou's naive hero ideology was slowly turning into Kiritsugu's utilitarianism if he gave up on Sakura, the novel calls this out pretty blatantly too.

>>279654296 (OP)
Because most of the memorable moments was in HF?
>Mapo tofu
>Rin's anus
>dickworms
>Kirei in general
>Illya in general
>"Can you keep up with me?"
>Nine Lives
>Zouken getting exorcised
>the final fistfight

>>279659282
No it doesn't. It presents being a hero as being at odds with protecting Sakura. In HF, "being a hero" means Shirou has to murder Sakura in her sleep.

>>279659287
I'm thinking UBW won.

>>279654296 (OP)
The scene where Shirou had to kill a part of himself to keep loving Sakura BTFO the other two routes where he doesn't have to really lose anything.

>>279658792
lolno
>everyone includes Kirei, Zouken, Shinji and even angry manjew
What Shirou is thinking about here is a reference to the school scene where he is about to kill Shinji to stop the blood fort, and since Shinji is a mage it doesn't count.
Similarly, Sakura is a mage and thus can be killed.

>>279659281
After HF's movies or so

>>279659235
>retarded childish ideal leads character to become an unfeeling machine and sacrifice himself
>at the end he finds out that being able to protect a single person is enough

>>279659529
Kirei tells him that by killing Sakura, he's going to become Kiritsugu. The VN ends right after conceding that Shirou will win the War because he will do anything to achieve his goals.
>>279658792
Archer spent HOURS drilling into Shirou, and the reader, that not everyone can be saved. Even Shirou himself concedes during fucking Fate route that choosing to save someone means choosing to not save someone else.

You dense motherfucker.

>>279661491
>The VN ends right after conceding that Shirou will win the War because he will do anything to achieve his goals.
>Shirou beating Herc
lol
lmao
Also Kerry also 'will do anything to achieve his goals' yet couldn't even get a real grail.

>>279661564
>Also Kerry also 'will do anything to achieve his goals' yet couldn't even get a real grail.
Did you see all the fuckup shit he did in Zero? He did soften up when he evacuated Kayneth's hotel though.
Technically, he did get the Grail too bad it was corrupted

>>279661615
If he truly 'did anything' then he would go straight for Percival or Galahad, possibly even intruding into the Vatican to see if he could steal a secret holy grail.

>>279661564
Without Kiritsugu, Kirei would've won his first War. Without Shirou, he would've won the second one. In fact he's the final boss of Zero and the Fate and HF routes of FSN for that reason.
>Shirou beating Herc
After killing Sakura and abandoning all that made him human there's nothing preventing him from killing Illya in cold blood or even exploiting her emotions to get to her.

>>279661665
He doesn't give a shit about the Holy Grail, he wants to see Angra Manyu born.

>>279661665
Kerry's goal was winning the HGW, dummy.
And Shirou's goal in that scene was the same. Kerry has to sacrifice Irisviel, his wife to win.

>>279661723
>exploiting Illya after she reverts back to murder doll when she sees that Shirou is just the same as her father Kiritsugu
He tries anything and she hypnotizes him or sends Herc to chop off his limbs to turn him into a doll.

>>279661445
That's not what Kiritsugu's arc is, nor Shirou's.

Fate is the best.

>>279661445
Shirou's character in HF is that he redefines what his ideal is while staying true to himself — that he never changed from being the boy never quits and never gives up who tried to jump those poles, that he simply exchanged one impossible goal for another. The point of the juxtaposition between Shirou and Rin is precisely that he continues to strive to save Sakura despite knowing it is impossible, whereas Sakura doesn't. Shirou never believed in saving everyone, he was driven by guilt and he latched unto Kiritsugu's ideal because the only way he could feel happy without being guilty was making others happy. Part of Archer's criticism is itself that Shirou is a hypocrite who arbitrarily decides who ought to be saved and who not, prepared as he is to kill his enemies. Shirou knows not everyone can be saved, he merely reflexively tries to save everyone before him to atone for his supposed sin and to die in such a way as to give meaning to having lived when so many died. HF builds upon that dynamic explored in UBW by emphasizing how Shirou denied his humanity and convinced himself he did not desire human happiness, but he could not deny his humanity or extinguish it; he only remained sane because of the company that Taiga and Sakura gave him. The entire point of the reveal about Sakura is precisely that he finally realizes that fact.

The point with Kiritsugu conversely is that he was a retarded faggot who drove himself mad because he justified the most sociopathic utilitarianism for the sake of a completely idealistic goal, and he broke down the moment he realized all his sacrifices were for naught. The absurdity of the juxtaposition between Kerry's superficial maturity and pragmatism with his inner childishness and incompetence is the point of the character.