Thread 279694613

>Haha you got me, you can sacrifice your alchemy to get your brother's body back
>This could've literally been done at any point in the story btw
>None of the characters really sacrifice anything in the end since Ed can live just fine without his alchemy and the philosopher's stone is used to restore Roy's eyes instead of anything about the genocide they committed
What a trashfire ending

anon, the gate is their fragment of pleroma
there is nothing bigger they could lose
study gnosticism for ten years before watching or reading FMA

>>279694613 (OP)
Take your meds funnyschizo.

>>279694613 (OP)
Brotherhood is a pile of steamy garbage. The older series is and always will be the best.

>>279694679
>cope cope cope cope cope
Why are FMAtards (particularly Brotherhood fags) like this? Just admit your show is overrated trash and go back to shilling it on MAL, you got mogged by Frieren after all

>>279694729
Don't samefag funnyschizo. It's sad to watch.

>>279694613 (OP)
Alchemy plus all the knowledge he got from the gate, implied Al's ability for alchemy got seriously gimped too, Truth still has Ed's leg, and Truth sounded like they had to accept for shortchanging the Elric earlier anyway.

>>279694613 (OP)
>Happy endings...ARE BAD!

Retards like you are why we get shitty endings from authors trying to be subversive.

>>279694754
>cope
What's that anon coping for? He rebutted your claim in the OP. Also: he wasn't shilling. What made you assume he was shilling? He was explaining a very basic concept of the show to you.

and technically, it was a refund.

>>279695478
Dude's been schizoposting for more than a decade. He's obsessed with MAL ratings and doesn't acknowledge any statements that don't directly support his psychosis.

>>279695694
Yeah, I've kinda noticed that guy around. People call him funnyschizo or something. Always posts that pic of Ed or Al doing the "spooky arms" thing or Ed mocking Roy. It's a shame because I actually like FMA:B. It's a shame he has to go shit up every thread with any semblance of discussion. Ah well.

>>279694613 (OP)
The point is that alchemists make alchemy their whole identity and they become so reliant on it they don't even realize sacrificing it is an option. It took someone who was willing to humble himself to see the truth, that alchemy is just a tool that doesn't let you live life any better than if you didn't have it. Alchemy caused them to get into the situation they were in, so to get out of it, he gives up alchemy. It's equivalent exchange and this is really not very hard to understand since they spell it out for you in this scene

>>279694613 (OP)
>giving up your life's work is "not really sacrificing anything"
Are you a woman?

>>279696409
Its also extremely simple conversion. If you give up your body or parts of it to gain great Alchemic abilities, the exchange goes both ways. It is, by definition, equivalent exchange.

>>279696811
The concept of alchemy itself is equivalent exchange as well. I can't name a single alchemist off the top of my head in all of FMA that didn't suffer because of alchemy. It's why it's not better than a normal life, because you gain alchemy but your life becomes turbulent in other ways as a result. It's just that alchemists are inherently arrogant and think with their power they can control everything so the idea of giving up that power doesn't come easily.

>>279696864
There is another layer too if you look at what is required to create a Philosopher's Stone, the ultimate cheat for Alchemy process.

It is a an extremely simple solution that if sacrificing human lives for Alchemic power, then the reverse of sacrificing Alchemy for a human is also true. Its why human transmutation would inevitably fail due to the hubris, as you mentioned.

>>279694613 (OP)

No, it couldn´t have been done at any point in time. All the experiences, meetings and knowledge gathered during the journey, all the sweat and blood, all the growth, are what made that door of truth an equivalent trade for Al.

>>279694613 (OP)
It's the usual retarded message that friendship is more important than power. Ed by realizing this discover and defeats the ultimate truth of the universe, which is what all alchemists and scientists want to do. And thus becoming the greatest of all alchemists, paradoxically. Not saying friendship isn't important, but without power you can't keep your loved ones safe. And that's not the only reason it's retarded, but also because it really makes light of the reason scientists do what they do, it's not always about power and pride, sometimes it's merely for curiosity of finding the truth. To throw it away just because of friendship shows just how little the author understand, about the human effort to research the laws of nature.

>>279694729
I've always preferred the original. The ending wasn't perfect but it was grounded, atmospheric, and more intellectual like Monster while Brotherhood was more of a generic shonen a la Demon Slayer that doesn't stand out, other than having a decade-long circlejerk of being venerated as a "classic". It just had more soul

>>279697541
No, I don't think you understood the point of what was being said. And its not even something hard to grasp.

>>279697306
This was my impression too. You look at Father’s gate and it’s completely blank, so I imagine any gate like that would be completely worthless in an exchange

Conquerors of Shamballa>Brotherhood>Original

>>279697541
But alchemy is directly responsible for most of the characters losing loved ones through the series

>>279697306
While I do like that theory, if he was trading all of those experiences, memories, bonds, friendships, knowledge, etc. then it'd make sense. But he remembers them all and they all still happened.
In fact, I think a better ending would be just as you described, but Ed actually exchanges them all for Al. Meaning, he doesn't remember anything after they tried to transmute their mother. His brain is just completely wiped back to when he was 8 or whatever it was. Even then, it's technically not equivalent because his effects on the world would remain. It would basically have to undo the past, rewrite history, and take them all back to right before they started the transmutation. But then they'd be stuck in a time loop because any knowledge given to Ed saying "bro you really shouldn't fucking do this" would tip the balance in the exchange. If maybe Truth took a pinky or something for the knowledge to NOT do it (maybe a frame or two in memory of their bodies right after they transmute or something) it could work.

>>279694729
Correct.

Manga purists are a plague

>>279697678
I would argue everything was better in the original. Fights were more interesting, openings were more memorable, characters had better stories that intertwined with the rest of the cast.

Brotherhood fans are probably the most insufferable anime group I can think of...

>>279698424
manga purists would say the manga is better than the shitty anime adaptations, which is correct.

>>279694729
Agreed

>>279698326
I think other anon meant that these experiences that gave the value for the transaction

>>279698597
Funnyschizo I thought you liked Syaoran not Sakura

>>279699475
Uh I think there is a case of mistaken identity. I almost never post here.

Does the picture I used get posted a lot on /a/?

>>279699074
I rest my case, begone happy ending harry. Go ruin another cyberpunk thread.

>>279699448
I know. I was saying it wasn't an exchange if Ed still remembers them. Not being able to do alchemy anymore is a very large exchange, don't get me wrong. But if we're talking about exchanging the experiences, knowledge, relationships, etc. for Al's body, then Ed would have to forget all of it, no?

Reminder that everyone in this thread is either:
1. Getting drafted in the next two years.
2. Brown and stuck that way, forever.

>>279699796
I'm draft dodging if it comes to that. My country's military is plenty big already and modern warfare is mostly about drones and missiles anyways

>>279694613 (OP)
and if they woudl have done that then father would won with his goal fucking retard fmab hater

>>279699796
>muh world war 3

You fags have been saying this for a decade now.

>>279699557
Stop samefagging

>>279699796
The trick is to join before the draft comes so that you can get a better position.

>>279694613 (OP)
>you figured out the riddle!
>You truly are The Fullmetal Alchemist™
How embarrassing

wheres the funny.png? dumb funnyschizo

>>279701046
Here you go, anon.

>>279699796
These horrible threads will finally come to an end.

>>279694613 (OP)
He didn't simply sacrifice his alchemy, he sacrificed his truth. He made peace with himself and accepted his past, present and future shortcomings. Thats what Truth accepted otherwise the deal would be something else like maybe a souless body for his alchemy

True, I prefer endings like the ones of Attack on Titan or Oshi No Ko over this

>>279697678
>more intellectual like Monster

>>279699677
He kinda loses it. Those experiences made his alchemy strong so he lost that aspect of the memories and experiences. And that kinda hits the point of that not being true strengh by itself and he should cherish the social aspects of it

>>279694613 (OP)
>a reset after 100xp and a reset after 1000000000000000 xp is the same thing bro

>>279694613 (OP)
>>279698597
>>279699557
>

>>279697678
>grounded, atmospheric, and more intellectual like Monster
You must be 14 or something because that is a completely different show retard.

>>279703630
What the fuck is this schizo garbage supposed to mean? I just hate FMAB

>>279703851
He thinks everyone who posts the image is the same person. Even though as a png it'll always have the same hash when posted,

>>279694613 (OP)
>Ed can live just fine without his alchemy.
>Be a manlet that can use magic at a higher level than the average person.
>Become manlet with no powers while your brothers retains all of his.
Nothing fine with this, Edward should've just sacrificed his dad like he asked, he died in the end regardless.
Now imagine someone goes looking for Edward in his home so they can take revenge for something that the FMA did to them. Wtf is Edward gonna do in that situation? He'll be killed and his family alongside him.

>>279704171
>he thinks
knows*
there’s literally no reason to post it except to avatarfag when bitching about fma

>>279706758
and the fact he says the same shit every thread, like the stupid ass comparison to monster every time

>>279705604
Ed got extra knowledge + clappable alchemy at the cost of Al's body plus his own leg, so it was kind of a refund.

>>279694613 (OP)
That's like saying that any scientific discovery could've been made at any point in history. Technically true, but you're missing the context in which it was discovered.
Any alchemist could sacrifice their alchemy for anything of equivalent value at any time, but Ed was the first one to actually have the perspective to consider it a possibility.

>>279706758
No. It's useful to annoy retards such as yourself.

>>279694613 (OP)
>>This could've literally been done at any point in the story btw
No it culdn't. Ed had always believed that they need to sacrifice something of equal value to get his brother's body back which is why he seek the Philosophy stone since they believe the stone could offset any cost before they learn the stones true nature. Only after Al sacrifice does he realize he could order a refund. However the refund is more costly on his end due to the nature of his bargain in the first place. This reflect Ed philosophy at the end of the story where he choose to give away more than he receive rather than live by the rigid principle of alchemy.

>>279696864
The "alchemy" they do in the show is explained to be a fake model that is fucked from the get go, the chinese alchemy is clean.

>>279708349
>equivalent value
who determines the value of anything

i cant tell you how much i fucking hate midwit jap cartoon

>>279705604
he's not much of a manlet by the end of the show because he didn't need to keep feeding Al's lost body.

>>279708846
The law of physics for normal stuffs and the person own sense of value for more abstract things

>>279697541
>Ed by realizing this discover and defeats the ultimate truth of the universe
I don't think "friendship rules" was meant to be interpreted as the ultimate truth of the universe. It was the truth for Ed because he realized that's what was most important for him and that he was willing to trade alchemy for it. For a different person there'd probably be a different answer, which I assume is the reason truth the character is always shaped like the person it's speaking to.

>>279698597
contrarianism is off the charts

>>279697541
Scientists don't try to find the truth. Scientists think they know what the truth is and then try to find it in Nature. It's why they always react badly to truly revolutionary ideas. Science is dogmatic.

>>279708774
That's a separate issue. Even the alchemists from Xing have their lives largely upended because of the desires for immortality of their leader. It mostly worked out for them in the end, but they still suffered because of the inherent draw the power has. It's a thematic thing.

>>279703630
why are homosexuals always the most mentally ill?

>>279710625
Those are not real scientists.

>>279710625
>truly revolutionary ideas
like what?

>Hurr happy ending bad
Glad to see the SEETHING is still going strong all of these years later!

Okay so human transmutation is bad, but what if you transmute yourself? Like give yourself bigger dick in exchange of smaller ass or something

You dont even need that much muscle mass so it probably won't be noticeable.

Peak FMA, Xitterhood is not even close

>>279711165
>png that zooms out
>png that zooms in

>>279711159
Huh? I always assumed the soul is what made 'human transmutation' impossible. Bringing back the dead and the like. Why would you not be able to alter your body with alchemy? I can think of a certain girl and her pet that went through quite the transformation.

>>279711264
From what i gather, the human body is quite delicate, a wrongly placed blood vein or slightly large than normal muscle string would fuck shit up heavily

You need things to be very exact.

>>279711338
But still theoretically feasible, no? One day alchemy might progress to a point where the human body could be altered safely, but creating life/soul is still dividing by zero.

>>279711236
This better?

>>279711428
Kino...

>>279694613 (OP)
Actually, yeah. I don't understand why the ending is so praised when it's just a fist fight, and sacrificing your alchemy doesn't feel like an actual sacrifice. I only really liked Hohenheim standing by the grave and the reprisal of the second opening.

>>279694729
without comparing the 2, fma03 was peak "anime original"

>>279712095
....BRAAP

>>279694679
Value is subjective.

Which is why any kind of power system with "sacrifice" is garbage. There is no balance to it. There is no sense to it.

>>279711165
God 03 had so much soul.

Brotherhood autists have no souls, they wouldn't understand

>>279695434
do you think SnK's ending was good? there's an overabundance of happy endings desu

Brotherhood won

>>279712095
brown sakura

>>279706758
I found the picture posted on /v/ May 20th and download it then. I have seen it casually used on Xitter for months.

>>279712095
She was already used goods but they decided to make her rape bait anyway lol

>>279712394
Classic hair vents

>>279711159
I imagine you’d probably end up as a ball of grotesque flesh like that gold tooth doctor or something. I think using bio alchemy or Alkahestry (Mei said she could’ve made Marco’s asploded face look better I think, I remember Arakawa making a joke that Scar and Mei could work as a plastic surgery duo) would allow that anyway. It could work like how Scar’s bro transferred his arm to Scar but uh, I guess you’d probably have to find a willing participant.

>>279697730
I think it's you who didn't understood. Pay attention to Father, what does he wishes for? All his actions are for power, but deep down he wanted to be human and have a family. That's how Arasawa portrayed him. It couldn't be more obvious.

2003 is shit

>You can give up alchemy for your brother's body
>Because you know, you can't use alchemy to make his body, that's like against da rulez
>But uh, you can't give your alchemy up to like get your mother back, okay?
>You can use alchemy to create consciousness just fine though.
You literally just bring up equivalent exchange when it suits you and ignore it when it contradicts your image of FMAB being the most perfect story in existence
>inb4 the rules are completely arbitrary because reasons!

>>279712331
>do you think SnK's ending was good?
>Eren never gets to fuck Mikasa's slant pussy in real life aside from paths dream world which doesnt count
>Mikasa ends up with horse boy
>Levi literally loses everyone important to him from his old squad and ends up a wheelchair cripple wheeled around by that bitch Gabi
>Eldia/Paradis is literally destroyed and reduced to rubble decades later, showing that Eren's sacrifice was ultimately for nothing and meaningless other than to give his own immediate friends a good long life prior to Paradis' demise.
Yams objectively did not give us a Disney ending

>>279697678
>intellectual
>like monster
pffffffft BAHAHAHAHHAH

>>279694679
Given the analogy it's not permanent. It's just that he's choosing to live in ignorance for awhile.

Everything he lost via human transmutation is an analogy ego loss, and gaining knowledge that abstracts him away from his original live as a human.

>>279703663
worse, the fact that he mentions that he had to withstand brotherhood for over 10 years means that he is already in his 30's but still keeps his teenage views

>>279694613 (OP)
It's time to move on you gay nigger.

>>279694613 (OP)
>at any point in the story
?
>restore the body right afterwards
>doesn't become state alchemist
>the country sized alchemy circle plot isn't prevented
>everyone dies
???

>>279713043
They could have made Al a body, if they weren't vegans and refused to use the magic meatball.

>>279694679
gnostics are such faggots. you sound gay

>>279694613 (OP)
>This could've literally been done at any point in the story btw
Why would i want to read a manga called "Fullmetal Alchemist" if the MC loses his alchemy halfway through the story?

>>279710917
You're falling for a falseflag

>>279702630
>It's him

>>279713337
>Still trying to deflect
You got caught gay pedo

>>279710917
>homophobia during Selim month
yikers

>>279713890
>homophobia
no one is scared of gay people

>>279713981
That's not what it means, retard.

>>279713315
>MC is not made of metal
dropped

>>279697678
>noooo, I hate generic shounen ending, give me the ending where one of the brothers gets sent to fucking WWI Europe for some reason
Yes, very intellectual anon

>>279713890
Get ye gone homo

>>279702630
I love how they could never decide I'd he could move his face or not. He has to be one of the lamest forced villains in the entire series

>>279702630
Kino...
No really, this was retardedly fun.