Now that the dust has settled, what was so bad about this fight?

>>279737102 (OP)
Some really goofy-looking animation at points. Otherwise, it was pretty fucking cool, and I enjoyed the shit out of it back when it came out.

>>279737102 (OP)
I liked it a lot in context. It should have been the fucking final fight of the series but that's neither here nor there.
Why is this one particular scene picked apart as much as it is? Animation has smear frames, I don't understand the problem.

>>279737102 (OP)
So true, 3D animation is so much better! Just look at how perfect each frame is!

This whole thread feels like it's one extremely retarded person. In fact, I'm absolutely certain it is.

>>279737102 (OP)
Pain went completely out of character and turned into an overly animated screaming moron just so the animation director could show off "muh sakuga". It also went from a moment that was supposed to be tense with Naruto nearly going full 9-tails because of Hinata's seeming death to a cartoonish comedy with Looney Tunes running and Pain getting hammered into the ground like a nail only to ask "...do you hate me?". Acting like it wasn't terrible just because it had lots of frames is like not seeing what the issue was with the Newsong opening video.

>>279739862
>not seeing what the issue was with the Newsong opening video.
What was wrong with it?

>>279737102 (OP)
kill yourself narutard

>>279737292
Just pretend Naruto ended at Pain. That's how Storm 2 does it and it's kino

>>279739881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VijSxQ27-mw
Gee, I don't know.

>>279737292
smear frames can be too smeared based on context and the rest of the show's style

>>279737102 (OP)
All the freaks that watch it on repeat.

>>279737292
>Animation has smear frames, I don't understand the problem
This >>279737102 (OP) isn't a goofy smear frame you can only catch if you pause it at the right moment, you absolute mongoloid.
You can see it happening the whole time and it looks beyond retarded.

it was kino

>>279737102 (OP)
You just posted it.

>>279737102 (OP)
nothing, it was good

>>279740448
lol wtf is this
also why are they flying

>>279737102 (OP)
This is easily the best fight in Shippuden and my personal fave in the entire series.
It had everything a perfect shounen battle should have: a mix of mindless action and carefully planed tactics, plethora of techniques, no asspulls, good ost, story weight and significance, good character relationship between the opponents, even the anime expanding the fight made it even better than in the manga.
But that fucking ugly ass loony tunes animation when Naruto transformed killed whatever hype and enjoyment I had of this battle.

>>279737102 (OP)
I hope thu guy responsible for this abomination never gets to direct anything in his life ever again. The directors in charge of him should always hold him on a leash because the one time he was let out of it he produced dogshit.

I thought it was an April's fools joke. I'm amazed at people still defending it. Like Amano's art, people should be honest and just call it trash

>>279742832
Yeah nailed it. It helps that is one of the few Naruto fights that last a long time (one entire volume) without being hindered by flashbacks and shit. Just pure action and tactics. You get your fill of nukes with Naruto's giant Rasengans and Pain's telekinesis, then you get the tactics with all the bodies, the summons playing a part. And of course the Pain arc has some great character development and emotional weight, Jiraiya's death matter a lot.

>>279737102 (OP)
The manga fight was fine. The animation was a joke

>>279743177
>Like Amano's art, people should be honest and just call it trash
You shut your whore mouth.

>>279737102 (OP)
talk no jutsu
kys narutards

I never read or watched the Pain arc, is it better in the anime or manga? This is the last page in Naruto I remember reading. The bird autistically screeching made me laugh.

>>279743513
Anime and manga are fine, the actual Pain fight has some mediocre animation in the anime before the infamous OP part but it still has solid soundtracks and stuff.

I'd advise actually playing Storm 2 personally.

Itachi did nothing wrong

>>279743513
People literally say the Pain arc is the peak of the series and that it could have ended after the fight

>>279748582
He let his brother live.

>>279737102 (OP)
I've come to appreciate this part of the anime fight a lot, the wonky animations and goofiness are perfect to convey Pain as having the ideological upper hand and just being totally smarmy and irreverent to Naruto now.
Nagato actively pursued a dialogue with Naruto and he came up with nothing in response, now he was just chimping out.
Pain's aesthetic going from 'godly' to 'looney toons' is how he's had to lower himself to this clown arena with a teenager who was given the floor and provided no solutions.

The whole fight is way too short. The Peins are too weak and Naruto is too strong. Should have been the final fight of the series too.

>>279748582
He should have cast Izanami on Sasuke instead of leaving it up to chance on what information he would have access to or who would try to manipulate him after their fight.

>>279751901
It's a whole volume long anon, Naruto does destroy a few Pain quickly but it's still pretty packed action wise.

>>279751688
That's a neat reading, even if it's likely unintended.

>>279744886
>I'd advise actually playing Storm 2 personally.
What's better about it?

>>279751688
Good post

>>279739862
But that's based.

>>279753364
Boss fights and small story changes overall, you should watch the boss fights at least.
https://youtu.be/zxvWicsxFlM?t=659

>>279737102 (OP)

Watching Naruto for straight year and a half has mad my brain numb. Everything after the 5 kage summit is a great big blur and even though I'm still watching I can't recall anything chronologically if you asked me

>>279737102 (OP)
dude was trying to win the olympics instead of fighting the kyuubi

>>279742832
>best fight in shippuden
Lol

>>279737102 (OP)
It was good. /a/ was just being contrarian as usual.

>>279737102 (OP)
It was bad because the art was kinda sloppy and looked out of place compared to the rest of the show, but it wasn't the atrocity that people like to pretend it was. All the outrage generated by this fight shows how spoiled Narutards were by Pierrot. If Naruto had been adapted by Toei you fags would have slit your wrists.

>>279737102 (OP)
The goofiness didn't match the tone of what was happening
that was the only thing wrong with it

Naruto surrenders himself to the full nine tails power, loses his mind, gains a free powerup to break out of chibaku tensei and defeat Pain all because Minato's ghost showed up out of nowhere to give him a one-time pass to use his evil power for free with 0 consequences. This is a protagonist who never gave up unlike Nagato, Obito, Sasuke, etc. who could've avoided becoming villains if they simply believed harder btw.
Oh you meant the animation? It was fine.

>>279757459
The situation was so dire it's not that hard to give him a pass. Also since the Minato part makes him grow.

>>279737102 (OP)
This shit was blessed because it forced Oda into thinking he should do the same. And then he ruined his manga and anime.
Genious play by Kishimoto.

>>279743506
Naruto killed every character he applied TnJ on.

>>279756966
>All the outrage generated by this fight shows how spoiled Narutards were by Pierrot

>>279759254
Overall still on the upper side of adaptations man, you don't realize how good Naruto had it

>>279737102 (OP)
Didnt do the manga justice. Was a huge letdown with this animation style but nowadays this is probably considered kino, even if it looks goofy and off-model.

>>279737102 (OP)
For Shippuden 167, it's great out of context, but horrible in context. It's really what Gear 5 in One Piece should have been instead of spastic shit.

For the fight in general, letting Naruto own the Paths but then get stomped sucks. The whole thing would have been much better as an equal battle, then if Kishi wanted the Nine Tails to rampage he still could have had that happen.

>>279759497
In the end the nine tails only got Naruto out of the rods, he still had to beat Deva Path alone and clean.

I'm not sure how the fight could be changed except making the first part where he beats the Paths even longer. But if you think about it it does make sense
>blitzes first one who was busy with assaulting Tsunade
>gets his 3 free kaiju summons to handle the other summons and invisible punches the second one
>rasenshuriken WITH TRICK the third one, they dodged the rasenshuriken but he outsmarted them
>gets two very high level summons to perform a pretty good trick to catch the fourth one in their mouth, he didn't come alone
>manages to kill fifth one using another elaborate smoke/transformation trick
>kills sixth one (resurrected) because his chakra is nature and it's not trying to kill him, just subdue

It's a big brain battle honestly, he had advantages going on

>>279759201
>This shit was blessed because it forced Oda into thinking he should do the same
When in One Piece?

>>279742740
Apparently the lore is that this was the post-earthquake opening, so they made it super upbeat and goofy. And also it's mostly filler episodes so nobody really cares that much.

>Naruto smashes Pain over and over again
>Pain: Do you hate me?
Forget the animation for a minute. That's a legit Looney Tunes gag.

>>279737102 (OP)
Not much. Yes it had some very weird moprhin/artstyle decisions at times, but the actual animation was incredible.
And even though other fights after this are bigger in scale or this one still feels like it was never topped.

>>279743513
The anime is somehow worse

>>279764006
>When your stuck between a rock and a hard place.

>>279737102 (OP)
absolutely nothing, it was the last good fight of the series. love when literal retards get filtered by the great animation that they didn't understand

>>279737102 (OP)
It's just exaggeration. That gif and >>279764006 are the only real questionable shots. Most of the other additions to the fight are great (including the extended Hinata vs Pain). It would be perfect if they just cut down on the slapstick a little bit, since this is supposed to be the serious part of the fight.

>>279764842
>love when literal retards get filtered by the great animation that they didn't understand
What made it so great?

>>279737102 (OP)
Any person that complains about animation while posting a single frame or purposely slowed-down snippet deserves to have their fingers chopped off with a rusty machete.

>>279765039
>That gif and >>279764006 are the only real questionable shots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhAGO4IE8Y

>>279765942
No one has done that though.

i like the AMV to this fight with da suicideboys

I guess it's unique in that they wanted to make the fight a spectacle. It had a lot of gravitas so the animators probably wanted to go overboard with it.

>>279737292
You want it to end after a dogshit arc?

>>279752090
I didn’t know one-shots are considered action packed nowadays

>>279737292
series should have ended before shitpuddin

>>279739862
Honestly Naruto himself hadn't really had a big climactic fight since the end of part 1 Naruto so I don't hate that they tried to give him a grand animated fight after just coming off of Sasuke getting three huge fights himself and once again even after the Pain arc the only one who gets big fights for a while is once again Sasuke

>>279765039
The episode has more good scenes than "bad" ones

>>279737102 (OP)
I remember making fun of it back in the day. Now every One Piece episode look like this, over-animated to hell

>>279766460
What do you mean?

>>279748582
>I did all of that to secure the Village
>Almost killed all three powerful shinobi left on Konoha and almost kidnapped Konoha's Jinchuuriki.
Thanks god Gai and Jiraiya prevented this retard from ruining his own plan.

>>279759641
Deva path was already massively weakened after dealing with 9 tails. Meanwhile Naruto was asspulled into a complete refill
>>279742832
Lmao. It has one of the biggest asspulls ever in minato showing up

>>279740448
I love this opening. fuck you

>>279769098
>massively weakened after dealing with 9 tails
Not so much, he didn't perform any worse than before. Got beaten in CQC by Sage Naruto before that, got beaten in CQC by Sage Naruto after that, but yet somehow Naruto still had to risk it all on a Rasenshuriken gamble which doesn't make much sense.
The only part that shows him being weakened is a line at the very end right before the Rasengan but he still had Shinra Tensei available every 5 seconds.

At best you could imply that maybe Deva Path would have survived the Rasengan, but who knows honestly. Pain durability is incredibly arbitrary and depends on whatever the fuck the author wants.

>>279769170
Also

>>279769098
>Naruto was asspulled into a complete refill
Not really? He just took a minute to get back into SM before going down. He can refill like that, in fact that's what he used to do with his clones before that, but he lost them during the Kyubi rampage.

Kyubi just got Naruto out of the rods, nothing more. Deva path wouldn't have used Chibaku on Naruto either. The only argument for Kyubi changing something besides giving Naruto another shot at Deva after being stabbed is that MAYBE he would have survived the Rasengan otherwise, and nothing else

>>279765039
This. The rest of the fight is unironically a great expansion of the manga fight. The looney tunes shit with Naruto hammering Pain like a nail is hilariously retarded but then the rest of the fight is genuinely amazing with some really creative choreography using Deva Path's abilities that's never been replicated in anime ever again, so it's really a give and take.