Thread 279814223 - /a/ [Archived: 901 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:18:40 AM No.279814223
led
led
md5: d164a6ef17d32516e6e9800c865f0d61๐Ÿ”
Mangadex has started nuking manga chapters, I heard around 800 chapters have been removed including the one's mentioned below

https://mangadex.org/title/31067b1a-f95e-4c09-b4d6-26373118a9f2

https://mangadex.org/title/8dd57823-d541-4976-b4b0-5654fd7f01f6
Replies: >>279814249 >>279814270 >>279814372 >>279814382 >>279814467 >>279814473 >>279814528 >>279814704 >>279814814 >>279816291 >>279816359 >>279820227
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:19:50 AM No.279814249
>>279814223 (OP)
Based, fuck poorfags
Replies: >>279820366
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:19:59 AM No.279814251
1. Who gives a shit
2. If you haven't switched all your stuff to another source weeks(really, months ago) you're retarded
3. I stopped using it weeks ago so I care even less.
Replies: >>279814284
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:20:55 AM No.279814270
>>279814223 (OP)
I thought no one used internet explorer anymore
Replies: >>279815811
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:21:21 AM No.279814276
>Please care about my dead site
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:21:53 AM No.279814284
>>279814251
The world doesn't revolve around you anon
Replies: >>279814306
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:22:46 AM No.279814306
>>279814284
Neither does it resolve around your dead normalfag website, redditor.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:25:45 AM No.279814372
file
file
md5: f1e599fdbf12762b0819db4fdfe93128๐Ÿ”
>>279814223 (OP)
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:26:00 AM No.279814382
>>279814223 (OP)
You are a good month or so late OP. You should've moved on to alternatives already.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:29:25 AM No.279814455
d
d
md5: c00b7684dfa2f19b17c6d09ca929e861๐Ÿ”
Hold my beer
Replies: >>279814495 >>279814512 >>279821190
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:29:37 AM No.279814463
This is late anon. You shouldve moved to C or W by now. And use Mihon/Tsukiyomi to make life easier (tracking, downloading, switching sources easily, etc).
Replies: >>279814518
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:29:39 AM No.279814467
>>279814223 (OP)
I don't even use it anymore.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:29:54 AM No.279814473
>>279814223 (OP)
I don't even know how to legally read manga digitally.
These retards are culling online depositories but they put 0 effort into advertising their services.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:30:52 AM No.279814495
>>279814455
low quality demon
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:31:29 AM No.279814512
>>279814455
>all those TRASH sources
>MANGA PLUS
>no porn
fucking FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
Replies: >>279814552
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:31:41 AM No.279814518
>>279814463
Whatโ€™s good for an icuck and a desktop Firefox user?
Replies: >>279814558 >>279814636
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:32:00 AM No.279814528
>>279814223 (OP)
Oh, they finally implemented the "show unavailable chapters" button. Nice.
What they need to do now is allow submitting chapter metadata without uploading, and nuke the rest of the reader, so they have a chance to stay relevant as a database even after every serious group drops them anyway.
Replies: >>279814565
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:32:58 AM No.279814552
>>279814512
porn is bad for you
Replies: >>279814565 >>279818289
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:33:11 AM No.279814558
image
image
md5: 4e005e746a5f065f83c1c0305b2f760e๐Ÿ”
>>279814518
>desktop
Replies: >>279814638
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:33:27 AM No.279814565
>>279814528
>I WANT THIS GARBAGE WEBSITE TO SURVIVE AAAAAAAAA
fuck off and let it die you coping freak. no one needs fucking normiedex as a database for literally anything
>>279814552
extremely low t
Replies: >>279814644 >>279822569
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:35:55 AM No.279814636
>>279814518
Desktop - Suwayomi
for a tablet - seriously, i retired from my ipad for this one purpose, i like reading manga on a tablet so much i switched to an android device, i miss the integration (my phone) from apple environment but oh well
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:36:00 AM No.279814638
>>279814558
>webui
I fucking hate this phone timeline so goddamn much. I miss when web browser were used to browsing a website, not like today when they're half an operating system. Fuck Electron while I'm at it, a tool made retards by idiots.
Replies: >>279814692
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:36:20 AM No.279814644
>>279814565
I don't care whichever site survices or whichever site does it first, I NEED complete up to date database of manga releases that would include both fan and official translations and have all one-off / anonymous releases that are not allowed on mangaupdates.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:38:01 AM No.279814692
>>279814638
webui is good for library management because it has tabs, for example to search a manga on all available sources and open in tabs to compare image quality.
Replies: >>279814783 >>279814793
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:38:21 AM No.279814704
>>279814223 (OP)
Have you considered using something else or reading manga somewhere else?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:41:50 AM No.279814783
>>279814692
Tabs can exist on non-browsers too. Not everything has to be built for to go in one of those, but so many people seem to think it does.
Replies: >>279814918
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:42:27 AM No.279814793
1730832463806393
1730832463806393
md5: de5d5cad2fe32dd95e56e3f211e3951f๐Ÿ”
>>279814692
>because it has tabs
anything else, like something unique to browser based UIs that add extra steps? having a server separate from the client is fine, the issue is that you need to run things through your damn browser instead of a native client, something that can be equally nice, if not a lot better due to the lack of bullshit involved.
Replies: >>279814918
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:43:22 AM No.279814813
anywhere out there that doesnt compress images? it seems the major "alternatives" fail on this.
Replies: >>279814862 >>279815017
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:43:24 AM No.279814814
>>279814223 (OP)
Why not just buy manga legally? Piracy is theft.
Replies: >>279820392 >>279820428
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:45:26 AM No.279814862
>>279814813
define compression, because using jpg, webp or avif isnt the same as resizing the image, plus 1280 and above is perfectly readable.
Replies: >>279814912 >>279815017
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:47:27 AM No.279814912
>>279814862
let me rephrase: that dont fuck with the uploaded image files
Replies: >>279814971 >>279815005
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:47:38 AM No.279814918
>>279814783
>>279814793
>Tabs can exist on non-browsers too.
Sure but their entire client-server structure is already using http api so any standalone client (which they have multiple) is just a browser with less features and more dev time anyway.
Replies: >>279815005
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:49:49 AM No.279814971
>>279814912
let me answer: no im not gonna spoonfeed you lolol
try boku no pico dot com
Replies: >>279815447
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:51:31 AM No.279815005
1719121749549680
1719121749549680
md5: 3c60e393f71311c8a2b692c92f4fc18e๐Ÿ”
>>279814912
C doesn't fuck with it. There is cases where it might seem to be the case, but that's down to where they source the image from, not C itself, to my understanding.
>>279814918
>their entire client-server structure is already using http api
Make it a proper standalone client akin to Tachi/Miho then, stop fucking around with shit like this when there is no need. Or if you really have to do it because you have a certain thing in mind, at least wrap the desktop client like electron faggotry does it, not have it run in the goddamn browser.
Replies: >>279815070 >>279815447
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:51:58 AM No.279815017
>>279814813
>>279814862
the default dex replacement that's already being used by multiple scanlator groups does not recompress anything but sometimes they scrape already compressed aggregators instead of sources , especially for official volumes only available on torrents and madokami.
Replies: >>279815447 >>279815699 >>279822429
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:54:08 AM No.279815070
>>279815005
>standalone client (which they have multiple)
Also installable bundle comes with electron if you really hate your browser.
Replies: >>279815116
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:55:55 AM No.279815116
>>279815070
I dislike electron equally as bullshit that NEEDS to have a webUI, but at least electron garbage bloats a brand new task that's easy to kill and find if need be. It's still aids, but at least it tries to hide it's bullshit a little bit.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:09:46 AM No.279815447
>>279815005
>>279815017

i have head conflicting things on this topic. it would make sense that scraping from a shittier source would cause those discrepancies. have also heard it downscales and compresses everything except the most recent chapter (which appears correct in my experience, but i havent had time to test it).

>>279814971
thx man have a (you)
Replies: >>279815535 >>279815609
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:13:41 AM No.279815535
>>279815447
>i have head conflicting things on this topic
Anything I've ported over so far (99%) has been working just fine, new and old stuff, but I'm also only casually reading while in bed on my phone so whatever.
No sane person would use an aggregators images to download everything for safekeeping anyway as that would be extremely silly.
It does what I need it to do, let me read all the things I want to read without having to use 20 billion other sources, the rest doesn't matter much as long as images aren't hyper blurry, which they aren't in my cases.
Hell, I've had blurry pages on Mangadex before too, so it's like going that route is completely failure proof either.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:16:25 AM No.279815609
ick
ick
md5: cae0fb9edc6c84b812f4dcf7d2a20b1b๐Ÿ”
>>279815447
>everything except the most recent chapter
This one entire manga is in 2907x4096px 1.5MB png pages on both dex and ick
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:20:51 AM No.279815699
>>279815017
>the default dex replacement
what is it? I'm out of the loop
Replies: >>279815779 >>279815931 >>279817340
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:24:30 AM No.279815779
>>279815699
boku no pico, as mentioned before
faggot if you cant read then you dont deserve help, its been mentioned more than once here already
1+1 you lazy tard
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:25:42 AM No.279815811
>>279814270
kek
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:30:26 AM No.279815931
>>279815699
Y29taWNrLmlv
Replies: >>279816009 >>279816320 >>279816526 >>279817080
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:34:06 AM No.279816009
1451554812447
1451554812447
md5: 12a7f1c0f2d666e5eda1f532d1fdcbb3๐Ÿ”
>>279815931
>@grok decode this
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:46:33 AM No.279816291
>>279814223 (OP)
oh no, not the romcoms
Replies: >>279816321
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:47:52 AM No.279816320
>>279815931
that website sucks
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:47:52 AM No.279816321
>>279816291
*oh no, not the gooner garbage
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:49:38 AM No.279816359
>>279814223 (OP)
I'm still mentally stuck in 2015
Whatever happened to Batoto?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:57:26 AM No.279816526
>>279815931
Scraper, doesn't let anyone upload. Worthless site.
Replies: >>279817231
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:22:52 AM No.279817080
>>279815931
>comick
It's pretty bad. A placeholder rather than a replacement. And you're a fag if you think encoding to base 64 is gatekeeping in any way.
Replies: >>279817264
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:29:18 AM No.279817231
>>279816526
>doesn't let anyone upload
it does if you suck their dick on discord
Replies: >>279822656
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:30:56 AM No.279817264
>>279817080
the fact that he only used base64 is part of the joke you stupid bitch
its a extremely well known encryption for reddit faggots afraid of getting their piracy subreddit banned that you can be sure retards like you are able to decode it
having said that MD is dead and will stay dead and no amount of coping of you will change that fact so get over it, pay up piggie, or learn japanese you redditor.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:32:55 AM No.279817300
Trying really hard to fit in.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:34:46 AM No.279817340
>>279815699
It's garbage. Wait for a better one to come up.
Replies: >>279817384
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:36:51 AM No.279817384
>>279817340
Is /g/ still working on the logo?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:38:46 AM No.279817428
1747634008492152
1747634008492152
md5: b6e4a7ab216fbf739c30ce604a63e7ce๐Ÿ”
You will NEVER be an old fat
You will NEVER be a janny
You will NEVER matter redditor
Now someone please clean this off topic shit thread up this isn't anime nor manga but poorfag piracy faggotry and meta trash.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:03:14 AM No.279817965
1744779927301458
1744779927301458
md5: b1069a220cd57c2c8c207d69d6398639๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:04:26 AM No.279817989
1719120446187849
1719120446187849
md5: 1250d9cd53eaa4014707aec10583f33d๐Ÿ”
anything truly worthwhile is still available so who cares
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:12:20 AM No.279818150
What's going on with Our Goddess? It seems like a bunch of series have randomly been removed from my watch list.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:16:57 AM No.279818240
>just use X to read/upload manga who cares
>yeah, but can your alternative read and upload manga while running laps around your room, but recite it in haiku format, but once you're finished I need it to do a one-handed handstand on a moving unicycle while exclusively namedropping the name of manga assistants (not mangaka, it has to be their assistants) who died between the years 2007-2011? you don't get it, I NEED a site that does this
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:19:12 AM No.279818289
>>279814552
Porn and masturbation is good for you have fun with prostate cancer faggot
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:51:52 AM No.279820227
>>279814223 (OP)
>Mangadex has started nuking manga chapters
And they's still asking for donations lmao.
Replies: >>279820245
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:52:42 AM No.279820245
>>279820227
cuz they know some delusional retard IS going to pay them for nothing in return
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:58:50 AM No.279820358
mangadex downvotes anything that isn't romcom or isekai garbage
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:58:59 AM No.279820366
>>279814249
I pay/am willing to pay. But the apps are all segregated, some are purely Japanese afaik(liek comic fuz) etc etc
If there was a paid aggregator where you could just read 95% of stuff that would be good.
It's annoying to sub to jump for 1 or 2 things you want to read. Then cancel. Then find the next app etc...
And no shot I'm purchasing physical.
Replies: >>279820428 >>279821559
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:59:59 AM No.279820392
>>279814814
Recommendations to buy digital?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:01:56 AM No.279820428
>>279814814
Like >>279820366 mentioned. Gimme a Netflix equivalent, or literally any service that lets me read EVERYTHING I wanna read on it, without me needing to split my money across multiple services at once.
Replies: >>279821525 >>279821700
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:38:47 AM No.279821190
>>279814455
brb sending this pic to Japan's government. Thanks for shilling, more sites will be hit soon.
Replies: >>279821215 >>279821224 >>279821230
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:40:02 AM No.279821215
1736960603238704
1736960603238704
md5: 70c54436277249c8db8f1d7bffddd85c๐Ÿ”
>>279821190
this joke is as rotten and stale as /v/ermin posting pic related
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:40:43 AM No.279821224
>>279821190
Nihongo Jouzu?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:41:01 AM No.279821230
>>279821190
Most of them are aggregator/scraper sites so they're worthless and it won't matter if they go down because there will always be more to take their place.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:48:14 AM No.279821348
Korean "We took down manga! From now on, read manhwa and webtoons instead!"
Replies: >>279821374 >>279823404
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:49:29 AM No.279821374
>>279821348
I'd rather read a fucking book, like a civilized human being, instead of reading any of that garbage.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:58:33 AM No.279821525
>>279820428
Netflix doesn't have everything either.
Stop demanding shit when a single service already has more than you can read.
Replies: >>279821637 >>279821637
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:00:13 AM No.279821559
>>279820366
Buy the digital volumes then. Pick a single store and buy the stuff you want to read, no need for subscriptions at all.
Replies: >>279821981
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:04:15 AM No.279821637
>>279821525
>Netflix doesn't have everything either.
It sure as hell used to, at least outside of America, and what west media is concerned.
>>279821525
>when a single service already has more than you can read.
Go ahead and check your funny services, see if literally ANY of them have most of the shit I read, I sure as hell bet they don't.
>Stop demanding consumer friendly things
How about you fuck yourself paypiggie? Gimme an easy solution to a problem, otherwise people won't fucking give a shit on the large scale and continue to use the better option, which ends up being piracy and just reading shit on a funny website for free.
Replies: >>279821681
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:06:52 AM No.279821681
magazines
magazines
md5: e7f8664def471ba206212dbc1d508a37๐Ÿ”
>>279821637
I've compiled a list of the various subscription services for manga magazines. In total they cover about half of all mags out there.
Replies: >>279821733
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:07:56 AM No.279821700
>>279820428
That sounds like bad idea
Replies: >>279821733
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:10:03 AM No.279821733
>>279821700
Explain how and why.
>>279821681
Jesus H Christ imagine having to look through all this shit, then to sub to get your shit. Not to mention to figure any of this out to begin with, what a pain in the ass.
Replies: >>279821779
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:13:24 AM No.279821779
>>279821733
Would you prefer a different presentation?
You could also use the official services that let you read chapters for free.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:24:24 AM No.279821981
>>279821559
I was thinking about doing that, specifically for
https://kodansha.us/series/land-of-the-lustrous/
But it's not immediately clear to me what I'm buying here.
Is it a DRM-free download of the volume?
Or am I forced into some possibly shitty webreader that I can't access offline or on various devices, and will possibly lose access to due to their whims and licensing?
If it's the second, then it's not a very appealing offer.
Replies: >>279822269
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:40:36 AM No.279822269
>>279821981
That ran in Kodansha's Afternoon. Might not be the best example since it ended a year ago but you should get the idea:
The Comic Days subscription gives you access to the three most recent issues of Afternoon. You can download them via the app if you want to read offline.
If you read the chapter version you can read the first 6 chapters for free and up to chapter 89 with renewable tickets. The last chapters are premium only for now. I'd suggest getting the volumes instead in that case.
>will possibly lose access to due to their whims and licensing?
Authors can withdraw the rights from publishers and there's little they can do about it. It rarely happens but when it does you will keep access to content you already purchased.
https://comic-days.com/episode/13932016480029605220
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:50:15 AM No.279822407
Power to people actually buying things, this is not meant to be a slight or anything. But man, if I really wanna buy something for support or just in general, you can bet your ass I'd try and go through the effort and buy it physical. Buying digital manga feels weird to me, same would go for books, movies and the like. With PC games you sadly literally have no other way anymore since physical discs are dead and it all runs through some online platform anyway.
Replies: >>279822623
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:51:19 AM No.279822429
>>279815017
>does not recompress anything
Not true based on the last time I heard stuff from the scanlation side, but it was also inconsistent.
Replies: >>279822443 >>279822731
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:52:20 AM No.279822443
>>279822429
again, it literally comes down to where the manga is being sourced from, not ick itself, thats obviously why its so inconsistent as anons pointed out
Replies: >>279822503
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:57:02 AM No.279822503
>>279822443
No, I'm talking specifically on uploading yourself.
Replies: >>279822528 >>279822731
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:58:57 AM No.279822528
>>279822503
oh, dunno about that then. some anon has posted very high res scans being available on it, so who the fuck knows what's up with the res stuff. end of the day im very much "looks fine on my s10, surely its fine on the avrg retards 1080p pc"
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:02:04 AM No.279822569
>>279814565
>mangadex
>database
For database isn't mangaupdates tho?
Replies: >>279823472
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:05:00 AM No.279822623
>>279822407
Manga is slowly shifting towards digital only. Paper magazines are dying and niche volume releases only get printed if the digital version is successful.
For foreigners, buying digital is a lot more practical. Especially if you want to read magazines without waiting days on shipping.
Replies: >>279822670
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:07:13 AM No.279822656
>>279817231
Exclusivity contracts my ass, what are they EGS?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:08:33 AM No.279822670
>>279822623
>For foreigners, buying digital is a lot more practical
>without waiting days on shipping.
I mean duh, that's a given. But that wasn't the point of literally anything I've said.
>releases only get printed if the digital version is successful.
I get it but man I hate the smartphone world we're living in so damn much, what a disaster and shit show. At least physical movie and TV releases are (mostly) still a thing.
Replies: >>279823262
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:13:41 AM No.279822731
>>279822429
>>279822503
Maybe they are running the images through pngcrunch or similar lossless compression, so the filesize becomes smaller after uploading; but iirc so does dex.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:53:04 AM No.279823262
>>279822670
>But that wasn't the point of literally anything I've said.
There's only a handful of folks here living in Japan so most would have to import or fly to Japan to get physical manga.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:03:29 AM No.279823404
>>279821348
If I wasn't reading them on Dex what makes you think I'm gonna go read them on your gookstreamers?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:08:18 AM No.279823472
>>279822569
There is no real database for manga. Bakaupdates is missing a lot of titles and has too little information.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:12:29 AM No.279823532
I literally just want all my shit in one place in an easy to read and track format
I don't want 8 fucking subscriptions, a dozen more free accounts, one time payments to buy faggot crystals to trade for keys to unlock chapters or any of that shit. Just make a Steam but for manga.

And yes, I do buy manga I actually like.
Replies: >>279823693
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:24:00 AM No.279823693
>>279823532
You've got dozens of ebook stores that handle manga.
Replies: >>279823714 >>279823752
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:25:18 AM No.279823714
>>279823693
Give me one with the same convenient format mangadex has and also has all or nearly all manga on it.
Replies: >>279823773
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:28:12 AM No.279823752
>>279823693
>says he just wants a consolidated place to purchase manga
>"have you tried these dozens of different ebook stores that almost never carry anything but the most popular licensed works"
"People" like you are why I'll never feel bad about pirating hard to find things. These troons are never going to be able to get rid of every aggregator, anyway, so you'll just have to keep seething in impotence.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:29:49 AM No.279823773
>>279823714
>also has all or nearly all manga on it.
You'll find a ton more manga on ebook stores than you can find on Mangadex.

https://books.rakuten.co.jp/e-book/comic/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/kindle-dbs/manga-store/
https://bookwalker.jp/st2/
https://www.cmoa.jp/
https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/
https://booklive.jp/
https://comic.k-manga.jp/
Just to list some of the popular ones. Try out which one suits you the most.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:34:55 AM No.279823829
>>279823773
>.jp
Bro if I spoke moon I wouldn't be using western sites to begin with
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:00:19 AM No.279824097
>>279823829
We were talking about a Steam equivalent for manga.
If you ever used Steam you should know that there's a lot of games that are Japanese or Chinese only.
You can always learn the language.