is this still true today?

>>279831274 (OP)
Yeah.

>>279831274 (OP)
>I don't like it therefore it's bad
If it's topping the charts it is by definition good

>>279831274 (OP)

>>279831274 (OP)
Yeah of course it's true. Zoomers are chasing the proverbial "this anime is not like the other anime it's actually good" which is why Frieren was ranked so high on MAL. It's extremely normalfag friendly, with barely any fanservice or over-the-top facial expressions normally associated with anime.

It's a bit of a paradox really. Popular manga get bigger budgets and are pretty much impossible to fuck up. Normies will eat them up even with shitty CGI and sales will go up. Actual high production anime is dying fast and the creators are just trying to automate it. In the future anime will be made by AI and it will be released days after newest manga chapter.
>like manga wouldn't get replaced by AI
Could be. Does anyone even matter anymore?

>>279831449
Plebs can't handle it being on a scale more than binary. Anime is either good or bad. Mediocre, terrible, great and other terms can be used but it will be distilled to good or bad depending on the term's positivity. Having more than 1 choice to choose from makes stuff too complicated to them. They don't even have opinions on the anime. They just parrot that they are good or bad.

>>279831274 (OP)
It used to be that people actually asked question for real answers here, you know? It's been a long time, I don't often care, but sometimes you can really seem how meaningless the threads are.


Here is a real but simplified answer on the cycle of popularity and creativity:
>Thing is made
>Thing is new (or new within its medium), has few people into it, but those people find in thing interesting new interpretations of older things, or clever messages, or perhaps emotional depth
>Thing gets more popular, as people learn about thing and other people try to make their own; thing 2 comes out, fairly good still maybe, then thing 3, thing 4, thing 5, thing n (in which n is any natural number greater than 5).
> Thing is now an adjective and a verb, more people care, more money to be make, more re-imaginations of thing. Some are so vile, such simplistic distillation of what was perceived as popular without even the slightest heart, that being called "Thing" is pretty much an insult
>Thing Omega comes out; it has some good parts, extremely popular.
>Thing Omega is not bad, but honestly it's just Thing 1 with a new coat of paint and adapted to the current year.
>Older readers of Thing 1 feel alienated and almost insulted by Thing Omega being called the best.
>Thing Beta comes out; it is obviously inspired by older things, but it's new in its approach.
>Thing Beta has few people into it, but those people find in thing beta interesting new interpretations of older things, or clever messages, or perhaps emotional depth
>Thing Beta gets more popular, as people learn about thing beta and other people try to make their own; thing beta 2 comes out, fairly good still maybe, then thing beta 3, thing beta 4, thing beta 5, thing beta n (in which n is any natural number greater than 5).
>etc.

There you have it. It gets hairy when you get into it mid flight, and it gets dicer to determine where it actually starts.

What sells/gets eyeballs is good. Capitalism is self-selecting. If it's good people will watch it. If it's bad people won't. It just works.

I really need to find time to watch Shirobako.

Shitsekai posters are in this thread.

>>279831274 (OP)
>is this still true today?
Well, Solo Leveling is a thing

old good new bad

>>279831274 (OP)
always has been

>>279831421
weren't old techniques originally to save budget? it seems dumb to try and recreate it with more expensive techniques

>>279831274 (OP)
The good shows are rarer that's all.
With all the normalfags soap operaesque anime is the trend :
-Oreimo
-DomeKano
-RenKano

popular = good
fifty shades of gray? peak literature
bad bunny? peak music
marvel? peak cinema

>>279832107
Why do CG directors tend to be more clean-cut, well-styled, and (for lack of a better word) "normal-looking" than anime directors? Has anyone noticed this after watching anime making-of documentaries?

>>279832436
CG directors are just CS nerds who like anime.
Anime directors are grizzled war veterans who had to kill the dreams of lesser nerds to get to where they are.

>A bunch of people enjoy something
>Nerds online say it’s bad

>>279832436
They usually lack ambition and their hobbies consist of dating and gym

>>279832532
If nerds online didn't call it bad, it wouldn't exist.

>>279832532
>they just happen to be correct 100% of the time
makes you wonder

>>279832825
How do we determine who is objectively correct? At the end of the day studios want large audiences so whatever gets the most attention is what’s “correct”.

>>279832903
>who is objectively correct
me

>>279831274 (OP)
>These days
>Implying it wasn't always like this

>>279832322
And yet it consistently becomes more true in every medium.

>>279833028
Until time passes and the thing that was bad before is now good

>>279831274 (OP)
>>279832376
>>279833028
The industry hasn't recovered from the 2010 happening

Real good works don't reach mainstream popularity but they hardly ever flop. If something fails, it is just bad.

>>279832523
Wow, that sounds scary. I didn't know the anime industry was like a zero sum game
>>279832550
So ambition gives you an extra thirty pounds around the waist, astigmatism and an allergy to outfit coordination? Very interesting

>>279832825
yes
the majority is always right

>>279833252
>So ambition gives you an extra thirty pounds around the waist, astigmatism and an allergy to outfit coordination? Very interesting
Well yes. Are you passionate about what you do or do you just do what you do to do something that you want to do?

>>279833252
yes? truly passionate people tend to disregard their health and surroundings for their passions

>>279832100
>ad populum is right because economy

>>279831274 (OP)
First statement is always true if find at least one example.
The second statement sounds plausible since the popular stuff equals the least common denominator of everybody's taste. What counts as a bad show is very subjective but it sure as hell doesn't feel like a race to top right now.

Nerds will say they like something just to be contrarian. I had a friend who literally refused to watch shows that were popular.

>>279832903
studios want money not attention
you're objectively retarded

>>279833630
>more attention doesn’t help make money

>>279832436
>>279832550
>>279832523
Shirobako is a propaganda/advertisement that ignores 99% of anime CGI looks like crap and it's only there to cut costs retard
so of course they're going to make CGI-nigger a 'chad' and his rival an immature incel
if it was made today some AI specialist would be the 'chad' instead

>Are you passionate about what you do or do you just do what you do to do something that you want to do?

>>279833642
yep, you're retarded

>>279833708
Nah uh you’re retarded

>>279833708
>>279833741
Glad we can agree on something

>>279833463
Yes. Are you a communist?

>>279831274 (OP)
it will always be true because not everyone will always agree on what's good/bad
at the end of the day those who can enjoy a wider range of shows will win. it's easy to enjoy masterpieces and it's easy to enjoy slop, but most people don't enjoy both. those who learn or grow to enjoy both are the real winners and it's what any sensible person should strive for, if he likes anime.

>>279833688
Did you even watch the show? They had a whole episode where they had to hunt for an industry legend who specialized in drawing cloudy skies because the CGI wasn't cutting it.

>>279833829
funny but shut up

>>279833842
I realize it must be painful to go through life this mentally deficient so I'll explain the difference to you

>CGI isn't cutting it for some very specific background features
propaganda
>CGI isn't cutting it for 99% of cases when it's considered but we will still use it to pocket money
reality

>>279833136
Yeah, guess peak otaku pandering media killed the industry

>>279831421
>funny star out of nowhere

I would have liked a normal Shirobako thread.

>>279834681
The trick is to open with the words "Aoi" and "butthole".

>>279832436
>>279832523
JOMON genes in anime directors.
cgi is for weak but smart losers who tend to have no body hair and look ugly.

>>279834681
I've been meaning to watch Shirobako for some time now since I like the director and his Girls und Panzer. Maybe this is the time.
It's a 24 episodes anime, right?

>>279834941
>It's a 24 episodes anime, right?
Only if you ignore the OVAs (two episodes the characters produced in-universe) and the movie.
Which is to say it's a 26 episode anime and a movie.

>>279831274 (OP)
Yeah, the best shows are always at the bottom too.

>>279832061
bro is speaking in Dr. Seuss lingo

>>279834941
I'm watching it right now, and it's both a super high-budget and genuinely amazing anime in terms of characters/story/humor, and it's boring.
it's really quite a paradox, I just think the actual anime creation process is boring to watch a whole 24-episode anime about, but because they add so much more to it in terms of humor and various characters, I enjoy watching it, and I'm okay with it being a bit boring at times.

>>279836220
Personally, I think civilization is measured by how many tax dollars it spends to prevent this type of "person" from reproducing

>>279833829
no, I'm a fascist

>>279832436
They are normal human beings.
>>279832550
CG requires more ambition than 2D.

>>279831274 (OP)
>>279831455
Popularity is objective inverse measure of quality.

>>279834941
The series is oddly good and you actually learn alot about making anime. Also TARO...he is based on a real life person who screwed the actual director. You will understand if you watch.

>>279833688
99% 2D anime look terrible too.

>>279831274 (OP)
Desu

>>279831449
>If it's topping the charts it is by definition good
???????????????????????????

>>279831274 (OP)
true tho
most of top shows nowadays are pure slop, made only to cater views and top the charts, they hold no long term value at all, thus their replayablity is nonexistent

>>279836220
It was extremely fun watching it with /a/ but I kinda dread the idea of rewatching it by myself

>>279832376
and how exactly are those titles normalfaggery?

>>279831274 (OP)
yes
https://www.cbr.com/solo-leveling-most-viewed-anime-of-all-time/

When I was in my teens I thought popular thing = bad.
Then I grew up, stopped being obligatorily cynical and contrarian, and approached all creative works with openness and sincerity.
From that experience I can truly affirm that popular thing = bad.

The world turns on hacks peddling garbage to morons.

>>279840647
>The world turns on hacks peddling garbage to morons
If the garbage is a teenage movie with teenage drama and the morons are people enjoying a teenage drama from a teenage movie then hacks are not making the world twist around its axis retard.

>>279831274 (OP)
Seeing things like solo leveling topping the charts make me feel like I'm getting too old for this hobby.

>>279840863

>>279840863
it makes me angry, I just wish everyone could follow my opinions unitonically

Yes, of course, everything is bad and terrible and shitty and gay and stupid and things were only ever good when (You) were a kid. this fucking thread is made dozens of times a week on every board. Fuck off.

>>279833954
>>279833688
>I disagree with something (that I don't understand but won't admit that part) so it's PROPAGANDA FUKKIN LIBRULS ASLDFKJWA;LFKJ *SHITS PANTS AGGRESSIVELY*
Can you go shit up a different board already?

>>279840863
>I'm going insane because the shounen anime that got really popular wasn't the one that was popular when I was a kid