Wilhelm and Walter

Chapter 3

>>279838666 (OP)
Hello OP
Congratulations

>>279838687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqHl5QcD5M
Hope you have a nice day

>>279838670
Hell of a way to open the chapter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_ordeal

>>279838680
I preferred his dark hair design

>>279838724
Goddamn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_Gessler

Holy shit.....

>>279838829
Robin Hood

Our fucking hero

>>279838934
Could he beat the best mountaineer in Japan?

>>279838983
I like this whore

All dailies are connected and all that

>>279839287
They sure are shouting a lot of critical information

>>279838724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we53TOJyt78

>>279839375
That's a death flag if I've ever saw one
Please don't confirm or deny

>>279839404
>>279839421
Why the fuck does Wolfram have conqueror's haki

And that's it for today
Habu would have survived this

Much of a mountaineer anon?
I don't have the stamina

Thank you for reading
Previous thread: >>279783180

The Full Moon watchalong will start in about 2 hours

>>279839636
Thanks OP
I've gone up one of my country's mountains a few times, but the climbing is very light

>>279839636
I've gone hiking a few times. I'm scared of heights so I'm afraid mountaineering isn't for me.
Thanks for dumping.

>>279838786
So there was more to this Gessler being a tyrant than Peabody's Improbable History led me to believe.

>>279838666 (OP)
At this point, I will just be expecting every character whose name is in a chapter title to die.

Thanks OP!

>>279838862
where's the wikipedia link OP?

>>279840726
It's William Tell

>>279838670
Starting with the torture already

>>279841737
It's the 14th century, it's the only fun they had.

>>279840787
Sana has absolutely no idea who that is

>>279843044
Well that much is true

>>279838670
Who the fuck starts a chapter like that? I just sat down.

>>279843294
I'll miss her posing

>>279838995
He's lucky this is before syphilis spread to the west. At least I think it is.

>>279843554
You're right, Syphilis most likely spread to Europe from America after the Columbian exchange, or at least become widespread on the continent

>>279843625
Imagine riding around fucking medieval sluts (mostly) risk free all you wanted

>>279843643
Sadly gonorrhoea was still very much a thing

>>279843687
Compared to AIDS or syphilis, that's nothing

>>279843723
True, syphilis really was extremely debilitating and dangerous

>>279838770
Is he okay?

>>279838666 (OP)
>Wilhelm
Oh shit are we close to Wilhelm Tell greatness?

>>279838862
It's him.

>>279838868
No it's Wilhelm Tell time.

>>279845036
Which one

>>279839636
Didn't expect them to make it.
Not at all
Thanks OP

>>279838862
our fuarking hero
a rare crossbow hero, too
>>279839178
must be quite the boring post
>>279839509
Habu would've cut the rope
>>279839636
thanks, OP. I'm a hiker, not a climber

>>279838666 (OP)
Still no translations for better series because translators wants the 485245165# low effort romcom

>>279839636
Thanks OP.

I like cheating my way up mountains via cable cars. Climbing is for suckers. One time a very polite pika gave me a high five on a mountain after I handed him back a nut that he dropped.

>>279843852
I have a hunch that its spread was a driver for an increase in puritan/prudish tendencies in society.

>>279845036
Hanging in there

>>279838666 (OP)
Fuck this manga and fuck the anon that recommended it to me.

>>279838666 (OP)
>No female names
Meh

>>279845090
Are they different?

>>279838951
That's Ice Climbers and no, there's two of them so he can't.

>>279843554
How's he lucky? If Robin Hood doesn't die here than this dude has to, or it's not edgy enough.

>>279838724
Imagine not having trained neck for this day

>>279839581
>has the best gatekeeper and detective in the world with borderline supernatural abilities, who is perfectly loyal to him
>REEEE, TWO MISTAKES AND YOU'RE DEAD
No wonder he got a rebellion.

>>279839379
Oldie but goldie

>>279846700
fuck you I laughed

>>279838995
>>279838983
Magic words to draw out every inch of a men's survival instincts

>>279846485
Sometimes the most convenient way you can get a lot of people not to do risky things is to use dogma

>>279839636
Thank you for posting.

>>279847635
>ice climbers
Pleb tier

>>279839106
>>279839069
>mfw

Thanks for reading everyone

>>279851989
Morning OP

>>279839553
How the hell did he survive that?

>>279853106
Wolfram isn't the only one with superpowers.

>>279853106
>pull your way closer to dad using the rope
>stand on top of him while you fall
>jump right before you hit the ground
Easy peasy.

>>279838983
Extremely hot.

>>279838680
my nigga wolfram just enjoying his best life

>>279838738
trials by ordeal are always kino in historical books

I bet Wolfram has a big cock.

>>279847552
Wilhelm Tell used a crossbow.

>>279838862
my HERO

>>279838862
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3T8-aeOrbg

>>279855332
That kind of evidence wouldn't stand with Wolfram. Anyone can use a crossbow.

>>279838862
>>279838882
My historylet brain didn’t realize they were from this geographic region or time period. I just know the legend

>>279838919
Imagine climbing mountains for a reason, and not just because they're there

>>279838983
I bet he can balance at LEAST 3 apples over his head now

>>279839364
skill issue

>>279839069
>>279839106
Alright
I believe in them now

>>279839447
my TRUE hero

>>279839467
I don't think it's the time to play acclaimed mobile games, William

>>279855598
kek

>>279849118
She’s a woman in the middle ages, she has to be brutal to prove herself.

>>279857473
Is that not a feminine dude

>>279857473
That's the brother of the duke of Austria. Though understandable for you not to notice, the nose and chin are not there.

>>279857705
>>279857866
What the hell. I thought that was a woman, lol.

If I was Wolfram I'd sentence female travelers to impregnation

She's so cute.

>>279859562
must protect

>>279846172
Damn that looks good...

>>279838983
Death flag if i ever saw one

>>279861725
For whom?
Knowing this manga, both of them and anyone within 20 feet of them

>>279860913
Anon...

>>279862490
Shut the fuck up

Pffft I can get through the checkpoint.

>>279863936
Wolfram literally knows you're coming before you've even decided to leave

Chapter 4

Ludicrous cover

>>279864307
Hello OP

>>279864374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u147LwSzR7g
Hope you have a nice day

>>279864407
Dangerous words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg

>>279864536
>>279864546
There's only one solution to this situation

Onanist...

>>279864559
Not with the horse watching, man

>>279864621
Asking for it

>>279864655
I really don't want to beat a dead horse or anything, but rape correction is the clear course of action here

>>279864736
Maybe they should just have these meetings at home instead

>>279864786
You can't treat a man like this and then get shocked when he sells you out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_of_Bethany

>>279864877
What the fuck

>>279864877
Eva might not be the sharpest tool in the shed

>>279864877
lol what a retard

Austria was not an empire yet, it was still a duchy and the Habsburgs weren't HR Emperors at this point, but close enough

And that's it for today
Holy shit, these two are FUCKED

Are you a snitch anon?
I would never...

Thank you for reading
Previous chapter: >>279838666 (OP)

>>279864959
Thanks OP
A man should solve his own problems

>>279864959
Yeah they're boned.
No.
Thanks OP

>>279864959
Thanks for dumping as always.
That other anon is right, Hans should have applied copious amounts of correction to prevent this outcome, but it's too late now. I wonder if this will connect to the overarching rebellion plot, and if so how.

>>279864557
he's already getting overpowered by her, it'd ne hard to do

>>279864559
He just like me fr

>>279864877
Certfied woman moment.

>>279863936
When he starts interrogating me, I'll just drop my pants and start jacking off while maintaining direct eye contact. Never fails.

>>279864802
Oh fuck it's a mummy! Kill it!

Wait a minute. There was no Wolfram this chapter

>>279868629
Thank goodness

>>279864877
She’s so hot.

>>279864949
lets go kill that guy daps

>>279864907
She is looking kind of dumb

>>279864802
Looks like a fun party except for the mummy.

I love Wolfsmund and more of the artists works need to be translated.

>>279864959
I hope the bitch wife is raped

>>279838934
GAR

>>279839636
I did a free climb once in college, slide down into a loose stone patch near the top, scared the shit out of me. Decided free climbing isn't for me after that.

>>279864959
Thank you for posting.

>>279876716
Seems like something for adrenaline junkies.

>>279862209
>Honetly, i thought the woman would end up dead since she seems to be a fan of haging around near the murder checkpoint. I guess there's still time though.

>>279864937
>>Fucked around with the Swiss
>>Partitioned Poland
>>Sent a maniac with a funny mustache to Germany
What is Austria's fucking problem?

>>279838724
I think this Wolfram guy might be a meanie.

>>279880924
Clear sadism aside, he did punish criminals in accordance with the law up until that point, but then proceeding to involve a suspect's son has shown that he has no real lines

>>279838862
Tell what?

>>279838995
Dad knows that's the best motivation he can get.

>>279838983
now he will have another icepick to use
harder than any metal

>>279839069
how can you train your core to do this?

>>279849118
He's not the best if he failed now, is he?

>>279881140
Kill Austrians 6x week then core day.

Thanks for reading everyone

>>279846172
Why is it always that some people blame unrelated manga over their favorites not getting translation?
Even if they didn't exist, your favorite will still not get translations because people scanlate out of interest.
Don't like it? Do something about it. That's what I did.

>>279880769
Chronic case of being way too based for this gay world

>>279864390
That's a nasty whip.

>>279880988
Tell those fucking Austrians to get out

>>279881262
Morning OP

>>279864471
>Wrestlet

>>279864687
>>279864696
It's like a whole different character.

>>279881473
There's still a scheming malice in those eyes

>>279864709
Smart men.

>>279864744
The issue is that they'll bring attention to themselves if they kept meeting in a home. People meeting in a tavern is more natural, even if there is a chance you might get eavsdropped on.

>>279864853
Amogus.

>>279864877
Never marry a retard. No matter how hot she is.

>>279864959
Thx mate

>>279864802
I love the Mummy arc from Adventures of Jesus!

>>279881616
But retards are the hottest girls.

>>279839553
Ich glaub nöd, dass de Willie und de Walti das chönd überläbe.

>>279883267
Not in the middle ages…

>>279864844
What a lovely couple

>>279839421
this is retarded.

So how did Wolfram find them on top of the mountain?

>>279885888
Wolfram can just do that

>>279885888
I believe it

>>279885888
he's the author's OC, so of course he can do just about everything.

>>279864959
>Are you a snitch anon?
I've already told on you to the mods. They know everything.

>>279881473
That makes it hotter.

>>279885888
He used an established mountain path after the alarms caught them out.

>>279885999
Trips confirm it.

>>279887702

>>279888302
Why would he be there then? The path should be known to the soldiers and they should be able to go to it on their own. Unless he was accidently there this would mean that he scaled the mountain after the alarm was on.

>>279891426
Why wouldn't he be?
>One of your mountain valley outposts sends out an alarm
>This implies that someone has actually managed to scale the sheer cliffside, implying high skill/a concentrated effort.

Of course he'd be interested to go check it out. It's also very likely that he and his soldiers would be way quicker than them, given that they can use actual pathways.

>>279891552
Because it means that the soldiers on the mountain post waited until he came to chase William and his son. Rather than go after him on their own.

>>279891627
They did go and got crushed by the avalanche? You can't just have everyone in an outpost fuck off - they're probably skeleton crewed to begin with so of course they'd sound the alarm and then wait for a separate force.

>>279891683
I'm not saying everyone should go. But someone needs to go since intruders were already seen. Those soldiers should be the one to reach William first, not Wolfram.
Besides, even if we assume that Wolfram took an established path that still isn't enough to catch to them. Since the two not only have a major start on the party from the fort but also have an easier terrain to traverse given the subsequent pages.

>>279891957
You do realize that there's a timeskip between pages 43 and 44?

>>279892247
Yes, and unless William and his son were stationary during it I don't see how Wolfram caught up to them.

>>279892441
Think of it like the Tells going the way on the right while the soldiers used the way on the left, only converging towards the end at which point they were neck and neck.

>>279891957
Interior lines. Having to skirt around the perimeter adds a lot of travel time.
And Wolfram's men undoubtedly had to hew a much more convenient path just to make the whole outpost system logistically feasible.

>>279892529
>>279892601
My assumption is that after crossing the pit they had an easier path themselves. But I do agree that this a good explanation.
Still, this does not explain why the outpost men weren't the one to reach them first. And no, them staying there after seeing intruders is stupid since we saw that even Wolfram isn't above getting killed for letting people through.

>>279892811
They have to stay there, if they leave and someone else shows up they will be fucked even if they catch them.

Most likely they had something like three guys left at the outpost, given that six or more got already fucked by the avalanche. You can't spare a single guy at that point.

Chapter 5

>>279893019
That doesn't seem convincing after the previous chapter had the knights of the fort were shown to be afraid of punishment in case they let the assassin woman leave. Even letting one guy follow them as a scout will make more sense since that would mean he will be able to at least keep an eye on them.

>>279892811
Even if standing orders existed which were to override Wolfram's authority, (doubtful, since a commander of a far-flung outpost would be given much autonomy, simpy given the distances and means of communication available)
Wolfram is the more immediate threat from the average border guard's PoV. And they definitely would know not to go over his head.

>>279893122
How do you know they weren't followed by a scout or two? Considering how well Wolfram homed in on them, it's safe to assume there was.

>>279893123
The fate of all snitches. Once their use is over they are thrown to the streets.

>>279893122
That's just insanely risky and if they figure out they're being followed they'll just feel more pressured and the rest wouldn't catch up to them.

Hey, I'm just saying how it was for us in the military and how it seems to be in this case. You are free to make up rationalizations for whatever else in your head.

>>279893069
Hello OP

>>279893412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMO3dkA2k68
Hope you have a nice day

>>279893286
Fair enough. I think arguing about it anymore is a matter of personal opinion by this point.
Personally, even if contrivances can be accepted I don't like it. That whole scene feels like an attempt to give Wolfram a cool moment rather than setting up due to logical reasoning like in the previous chapters. Not bad enough to ruin the series so far for me, but I hope it doesn't happen again.

>>279893347
how big is this fucker? she's in tears

>>279893143
Brutal, but smart

It feels good to be the good guys.

>>279893286
Other anon, but it makes sense that there was a tail to guide the rest of them in.
Based off how it's depicted, Wolfram's force didn't just blunder into the father-son duo. Unless they've somehow already mapped out how their forts could be bypassed and know that specific location to be a likely point of interception.

>>279893179
Start liking evil women

>>279893212
Somehow I don't think they'll find it

>>279893347
Good for him

>>279893419
At least put clothes on the man

And that's it for today
And I was sure they would have a happy ending...

Ask something if you can think of it

Thank you for reading
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>>279893667
Thanks OP
How far was justified?

Considering that Hans sold out the resistance members to a cruel and painful death under torture, his execution being swift is a mercy he might not have really deserved.

>>279893739
Hans got off extremely lucky.

>>279893739
You can argue that any prolonged suffering ceases to be justice and becomes sadism
If you want to present your cause as righteous, you can't use it as an excuse to get off, same as the innkeeper said

>>279893788
What's wrong with getting off if you're being righteous?

>>279893667
Thx mate.
Can't read her face. Looks like there is a little self-doubt there.

>>279893814
Justice is impartial, not indulgent.

>>279893838
You can do that justice thing after a bit of fun.

>>279893814
I don't think it's the worst thing to let your soldiers blow some steam and get some revenge, but they weren't acting as soldiers on the hunt, they were acting as a court, and courts should not sentence anyone to torture or rape

>>279893143
Kind of seems like a good way to discourage people from informing for you.

>>279893179
i will never give up evil women

>>279893814
>>279893838
To add to anon's point. It's really easy to slip off and start having fun instead of enacting justice.

>>279893871
To be honest though, courts did sentence people to torture back then.
Switzerland (or more specifically, the shortlived Helvetic Republic that Napoleon created) for example only officially forbad torture around the start of the 19th century, but some of the cantons still used that form of punishment.

>>279893945
He gave him a bunch of money and safe passage. On paper he did everything for him
He's right that you can't trust someone who betrayed their fellows for you, just for money

>>279893976
Adding fun to a productive action is a good way to incentivize it!
That's habits 101.

>>279893347
Finally got what he wanted I suppose

>>279894022
That's how you get pic related. And you don't want that.

>>279893667
This place doesn't seem very comfy
Thanks OP

>>279894061
Well, people can overindulge in anything, doesn't mean it's bad.

How many anons are here for the plot and writing and shit, and how many are here just for ryona and snuff?
Be honest.

>>279893585
>>279893597
Somehow, this is still Wolfram's fault. Curse him!

>>279894304
I'm reading it for nationalistic reasons.

>>279894304
I'm holding out hope for at least one good end

>>279894304
I just like Wolfram, once again I'll stop reading after he dies.

>>279894304
I'm here for cool medieval shit but I won't say no to evil women getting raped and killed

>>279894304
I'm Swiss so I'm contractually obliged to read it.

>>279894312
if he decided people could pass the gate during the afternoon they could have escaped, so this is 100% Wolfram's fault

>Married a shrew
>Get exiled because of your dumb wife
>Finally manage to get your end away with her
>Get clubbed over the head mid coitus anyway
>Get executed in the nip in the swiss alps
>Die (literally) blue balled
Our man the innkeeper has had it the hardest out of anyone so far

>>279864307
mmm yes
>>279864559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJexOI3UYsI
>>279893285
Imagine how wonderful a sight she is after such an arduous journey
>>279893667
thanks, OP
Since you it brought up the other chapter, I'll ask: what was Croatia like during the medieval period/under the hungarian dual-monarchy? Was it the typical feudal kind of structure or were there influences from Italy/the Byzantines that affected its culture/society?
I had asked a history discussion group about it the other day and all I got was "Genuinely one of the least interesting parts of medieval Europe border wise" by a Turk, but I wanted to know more about it as an entity and other unique developments, as I know it had the unique mixed identity of already being two kingdoms (being paired with Dalmatia)

>>279893788
It sickens me to see a man getting his throat cut in the back room of an inn labelled as "justice". Justice is conducted in a public court and recorded so it can be scrutinized.

Obviously a rebellion in the shadows can't conduct proper justice while they are evading the higher authority that they struggle against, so they shouldn't pretend to. Accept the fact that a rebellion against a more powerful oppressor will require reprehensible acts and own up to that. Do not pretend that murder, no matter how justified for the good of your cause, is justice.

>>279896922
You need to remember that they aren't rebelling against their own government, they've been invaded by Austria
Those men are claiming to represent the legitimate but deposed national government that once was, and as such uphold its laws as good soldiers

>>279895950
I don't want to go too deeply into detail as to not go wildly off topic, but Croatia entered a personal union with The Kingdom of Hungary in 1102 after a succession crisis after the death of King Zvonimir. It was an unequal personal union where Hungary definitely had substantial power, but Croatia was a nominally independent kingdom. When I say Croatia I mean both Dalmatia and Croatia as they were technically separate Kingdoms, but that's a whole other thing that really doesn't matter.
There was a lot of earlier Byzantine influence as the Duchy of Croatia was a Byzantine vassal and a lot of Venetian influence as a lot of the territory was contested between Venice and Croatia. Croatia stayed Catholic through it's entire history, so the Byzantine influence declined massively after the Great Schism, unlike for example Serbia
Croatia and Hungary entered the Habsburg Monarchy in 1526 after the Battle of Mohač collapsed the country.
I have no idea if the Turk was being ironic or making a joke, but Croatia was the cordon sanitaire of the Ottoman conquests west and some of the most important and interesting land battles between the Turks and Europeans like Sisak, Krbava Field and Siget happened around the area. It was the most volatile and contested border in the entirety of Europe for over 300 years.
I could talk about it for hours, but I won't

>>279896977
>invaded by Austria
within the rightful appointment of the Imperial Magnates over land they've lived in
>legitimate but deposed national government that once was
peasant uprisings against its appointed lords, who were given their position by the grace of the Emperor

basically, it's some austrian bloke not recognizing the autonomous rights of the mountain microstates, because money is involved, and other german princes not recognizing the austrian bloke's claim to the imperial throne.
this ultimately leads to the mountain microstates forming an alliance with other neighbors and to become an independent alliance of bloodthirsty mercenaries later on.

money, the great evil.

>>279897084
Naruhodo to arigatou

>>279897522

>>279896977
My point being that laws are not upheld in shadowy back rooms, and it degrades the concept of law and order to act like their actions were a legitimate execution of the law. It was a political assassination for the sake of retribution, nothing more than that.

>>279898601
Seems a bit vain to argue that law and order are only valid if performed in a nice place.

>>279898601
>It was a political assassination for the sake of retribution, nothing more than that.
They're fighting a war concerning the autonomy of their people. You can't let a rat go free, you just can't

>>279898644
Not at all, it is essential. It has to be conducted out in the light, clearly visible, to keep it accountable.

No matter how righteous a person's reasons, punishment done in the dark is not law and order. This manga is a dramatization, but look at what almost happened because those men were in the dark with no accountability. They were going to rape Eva and cut out her tongue. The innkeeper intervening played the part of the public holding a law court to account, in the most basic sense. Do you think those men would deem raping and mutilating a woman a fit punishment if they conducted the sentencing in a public setting? Having to live among the community with their neighbors knowing what they have done, and having a record of it kept in writing? That is why law is performed in a "nice place".

I am not even suggesting that what the rebels did was morally wrong. Snitches get stitches and all that. Rebellions are bloody, messy affairs that are necessary sometimes to create a better future. And, obviously it worked out for Switzerland.

Just don't hold that shit up and call it law and order.

>>279899326
You can't conduct them out in the open when a hostile and blatantly psychotic military will intervene
In regards to those men, the entire point of that scene was the difference between their sadism and the innkeeper's justice

>>279899326
Well, torture was legal at the time and the monarchies could get away with lots of shit because they dictated the law anyway, how is that any better? Faux law and justice?
Kept in writing? Who cares, the peasants can barely even read.

I just want to add that no revolution is gonna succeed if you get too caught up in being 'right'
Sometimes you just have to get shit done

>>279899456
god bless

>>279899456
I agree, which is why you should be brutally efficient instead of holding mock tribunals that exist to pat yourself on the back for how righteous you are as you dream up cruel and unusual punishment. Just shank the fuckers and slip off into the night.

>>279899597
You put it better than I could.

>>279864949
It looks like rock paper scissors to split up the roles

>>279893945
That implies all other prospective informants would somehow know about it

I thought scholars said William Tell wasn't a real person same as Robin Hood?

>>279904186
Sure.
The manga is historical fantasy, aka, based on real history and places, but completely fictional.

>>279904186
Seems like they didn't read this manga.

>>279904186
Scholars would probably also say wizards didn't exist

>>279893667
Thank you for posting.

>>279904186
They used to believe in Tell as a historical figure, before a danish legend very similar to Tell that predates him was discovered.
Many now believe that Tell's story is just a retelling of the older story, but sometimes similar things occur twice in history.

>>279907624
Intredasting.

>>279838687
what are you congratulating him for

>>279904186
a work of fiction remind you

Thanks for reading everyone

>>279894304
It actually stops being so edgy after a few chapters.

>>279909439
Morning OP

>>279909216
He was on time

>>279904186
Both were real. They came to me in a dream.

>>279894779
This

>>279894304
>Be honest.
just here for the art and girls

>>279894304
I'm watching to see the smug cunt killed, if he is not killed, I will kill the mangaka. Also cool art with real medieval weapons and armor is refreshing.

>>279910897
He almost gets away with it.

>>279893347
At least he didn't die a virgin

>>279911141
He put it in but he didn't get to cum

>>279894304
This Kodocha arc was pretty unusual so far. Didn't think they'll go medieval. Must be a metaphor or something. Guess Obana is a great postmodernist writer. Still, ready to return to Sana any day now.

>>279912580
Honestly Kodocha was about three volumes away from hitting this level of suffering anyway

>>279838904
Hey that's my hometown

>>279912580
Akito could make it past the border.

The next chapter is over 80 pages, so it will be in a new thread

>>279915090
Unacceptably long

>>279915090
I can't wait. Literally.