Can anyone tell me what's so special about Hunter X Hunter and the Chimera Ant arc?
>"Hunter's aren't heroes, they're selfish",
That's just being human. It's not grey morality, it’s being a person. Superman is a hero and he’s selfish, he will go to extreme lengths to protect his cousin and keep her close even if the best thing for her is to be elsewhere. Selfishness is not speaking to grey morality because good characters do selfish things. Most series has people doing good deeds, bad deeds, good deeds for bad reasons, or bad deeds for good reasons.
>“Everyone has their own unique thoughts, feelings and goals”
Yeah, as all stories do. Voldemort had all of those things, Darth Vader had all those things, Cell had all those things, so on and so forth.

So how is it different?

>>279865920 (OP)
Filtered.

>>279866046
Can you present any actual argument? I can lay all of mine out.

Wing, a teacher of nen and its techniques, explains that forcibly opening nen can be dangerous and if you have even the slightest bit of ill intent you can kill someone doing it. All the ants have theirs opened up in this fashion and none have any repercussions. This could be explained with their bodies being tougher or acting differently but that's just speculation on something that was defined earlier. They also are able to instantly control their nen which means opening and closing their nodes so they don't harm themselves.

The King is evil for the sake of being evil. It's not like the queen was especially cruel. I'd say this is a nature vs. nurture theme if the ants remained static but some ants are born bad, others are born neutral, some are shaped into being better people (the King himself). If this was a theme he was going for it's muddled by the characters action and growth (or lack thereof) so, I have to ask, why is the King evil to begin with?

It hurts the concept behind the nen system. The system is that there's classes you have an affinity for and you can spec into other classes but it won't be as strong as what you're naturally inclined into. It also says that Class A of equal strength could beat Class B of equal strength (there's a whole thing of attack and defense points) while Class A might lose to Class C under the same conditions. It makes it so that you might not really need to have more nen (in comparison to a Dragonball where your bigger number means victory most times). This makes it seem like the class system will be important but The King simply has more nen, the ants abilities aren't ever really counteracted, and the ants are inherently "stronger". It made me realize how little this actually comes into play.

Dark does not equal quality. I see too many times how much people applaud this arc because of how dark it gets. To me it detracted because it felt very try hard with the kid killing and brain eating. It never really hit that height again but I found myself kind of turned off by it. Not because of it being dark but because how hard it tried to establish itself as dark.

Too many awesome powers are barely showcased or dismissed quickly. Knuckle is the key offender here as he has an amazing and unique ability, he uses it in his fight against Gon, attatches it to Cheeto (who gets it removed by another ant somehow), and against one of the Royals. Kite has a 9 slot weapon, we see 3 slots (2 being bad draws) and never get to see the others. The ant that could borrow abilities for an hour showcases 2 (maybe 3) abilities and then dies in his first fight.

Why did the bird attack Komugi? That was so forced. Komugi is an established klutz, she could've banged into something and go bird seed in her hair, she could've opened the window and the birds nest be outside, something, ANYTHING.


That's the stuff I remember off the top of my head. To me this is when HxH started to become "worse JoJo's" to me and from what I hear is going on in the manga that's looking to be the case more and more.

>>279865920 (OP)
nothing, it's shonenslop

>>279865920 (OP)
>superman
Imagine caring about capeshit. Shounenshit is not that much netter but come on.

>>279866614
It was to show a point about how selfish actions don't speak to grey morality, which is something that a lot of people who like Hunter X Hunter say it's good for.

>>279866567
People constantly treat it like's a subversive masterpiece.

Machi best girl

>>279867024
In the context of the demographic, how is it not?

>>279865920 (OP)
It's easily the most boring arc in the series but brainlets praise it for being deep
>Humans are le real monsters and monsters are le real humans
What's funny is in retrospect it was just a way for Togashi to remove Gon as the protagonist, kill off Netero, and hype up Pariston

Wing, a teacher of nen and its techniques, explains that forcibly opening nen can be dangerous and if you have even the slightest bit of ill intent you can kill someone doing it. All the ants have theirs opened up in this fashion and none have any repercussions. This could be explained with their bodies being tougher or acting differently but that's just speculation on something that was defined earlier. They also are able to instantly control their nen which means opening and closing their nodes so they don't harm themselves.

The King is evil for the sake of being evil. It's not like the queen was especially cruel. I'd say this is a nature vs. nurture theme if the ants remained static but some ants are born bad, others are born neutral, some are shaped into being better people (the King himself). If this was a theme he was going for it's muddled by the characters action and growth (or lack thereof) so, I have to ask, why is the King evil to begin with?

It hurts the concept behind the nen system. The system is that there's classes you have an affinity for and you can spec into other classes but it won't be as strong as what you're naturally inclined into. It also says that Class A of equal strength could beat Class B of equal strength (there's a whole thing of attack and defense points) while Class A might lose to Class C under the same conditions. It makes it so that you might not really need to have more nen (in comparison to a Dragonball where your bigger number means victory most times). This makes it seem like the class system will be important but The King simply has more nen, the ants abilities aren't ever really counteracted, and the ants are inherently "stronger". It made me realize how little this actually comes into play.

Dark does not equal quality. I see too many times how much people applaud this arc because of how dark it gets. To me it detracted because it felt very try hard with the kid killing and brain eating. It never really hit that height again but I found myself kind of turned off by it. Not because of it being dark but because how hard it tried to establish itself as dark.

Too many awesome powers are barely showcased or dismissed quickly. Knuckle is the key offender here as he has an amazing and unique ability, he uses it in his fight against Gon, attatches it to Cheeto (who gets it removed by another ant somehow), and against one of the Royals. Kite has a 9 slot weapon, we see 3 slots (2 being bad draws) and never get to see the others. The ant that could borrow abilities for an hour showcases 2 (maybe 3) abilities and then dies in his first fight.

Why did the bird attack Komugi? That was so forced. Komugi is an established klutz, she could've banged into something and go bird seed in her hair, she could've opened the window and the birds nest be outside, something, ANYTHING.


That's the stuff I remember off the top of my head. To me this is when HxH started to become "worse JoJo's" to me and from what I hear is going on in the manga that's looking to be the case more and more.

Togashi creates an entire card game with a history for an arc and, like, 13 cards see any use out of the dozens presented. Togashi creates an intriguing power system that goes nowhere in terms of "class x could beat class y even if they're weaker". Togashi presents themes like the darkness of humankind but it is against people eating monsters that are farming humans and, in general, the humans do almost nothing that constitutes "darkness".

Bump

>>279866567
Soft seinen is the actual genre

>>279865920 (OP)
>what's so special about Hunter X Hunter
it's the f/a/ndom. The hunterCHADS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDUK-yvwQs

>>279865920 (OP)
It has Zazan

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>>279865920 (OP)
>>"Hunter's aren't heroes
Where was this quoted?

>>279873418
From an argument someone made about the show.

>>279866071
I can lay you out flat on the floor you weakling.

>>279873630
Your opinions are based off someone else's arguments? That's gross.

>>279873679
I just put my arguments out right here
>>279867804
>>279867972
>>279867771

>>279865920 (OP)
The writing and execution is just better than a lot of manga. Your points are too surface level.

>>279866046
fpbp

>>279865920 (OP)
>heroes
What subreddit for toddlers are you reading where retards are calling an organization of hired guards/bounty hunters/mercenaries "heroes"?

>>279874002
I literally explain my whole argument here.
>That's just being human. It's not grey morality, it’s being a person. Superman is a hero and he’s selfish, he will go to extreme lengths to protect his cousin and keep her close even if the best thing for her is to be elsewhere. Selfishness is not speaking to grey morality because good characters do selfish things. Most series has people doing good deeds, bad deeds, good deeds for bad reasons, or bad deeds for good reasons.

>>279867771
You've made up a 'class system' in your head that never existed. The point of what Bisky said was to just say that Killua was being far too conservative, thinking too little of his own power, and too much of the opponents. The ant he killed right after he took out his needle basically exemplified this concept. Killua was scared, more scared than he needed to be, and when he was able to shake off the influence the needle had on him, Killua proved he had no trouble. You're including the King in this, but that's pretty unnecessary.

I don't see the issue with the way the ants learned Nen. They are indeed built tougher, rules for humans don't necessarily apply to them. In a more extreme example, Nanika uses Nen to do things a singular human never could.

The King was born to be the king, it was in his biology. He was built, body and mind, for that purpose. One could argue he wasn't evil in the first place, he truly saw humanity as lesser. But if you had to give an explanation for it, I believe it was mentioned that some of the ants seemed to have a sadistic streak due to many of the humans they ate, the drug dealers, being awful people. And to me, it seemed as if the effects of biology were more pronounced the higher in the hierarchy.

>>279874226

The fact that people can manifest powers out of nowhere breaks the fighting system. Chrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told. What's stopping one of the Troop members from going "in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
But when fighting Hisoka, he said "I used to need to hold the book in one hand, now I don't. But I have some restrictions." He never said the restrictions or how he overcame needing one hand. They sat Gon and Kill down at least 3 time to explain nen and it's still confusing????
Let's go down the sequence of events. Chro had a limitation that he needed to hold the book now he does not. How did he do that, why now, what are the restrictions, what narrative sense does it make to take away a hindrance without showing another hindrance to replace it?
So with the proper restrictions you could have literally any ability correct?
Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her. She has a restriction, but negates that restriction for Kill. So she can just decide to negate it?
So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
So with this ability that we know nothing about the main characters life was saved. Is that good story telling?
If it wasn't for Nanako and he mystery power, he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling? Doesn't matter if he is a main character or the main. He survived and we don't have all of the details behind it. Is it good story telling?
So the details of how a character has a restriction that can be deactivated at will that saved a main characters life will be explained at some point. Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

Your last two points are purely headcnaon. There's no actual explanation for them in the story.

>>279865920 (OP)
You might be retarded

>>279874264
>Your last two points are purely headcnaon. There's no actual explanation for them in the story.

We objectively know that the ants are affected by memories of themselves as humans, calling it headcanon hardly seems appropriate. We also know that Mereum can ‘wave a magic wand’ and the Royal Guards will fall in line. I could agree that’s headcanon in the matter of how much their biology rules over them, but it was more an aside in the first place. I’ll look at the rest of your post in a bit

>>279874385
I agree. I hate when retards try to give a retarded reason to discuss why they don’t like a series. If he said the series was boring shit I’d actually say op was a genius

>>279865920 (OP)
>>"Hunter's aren't heroes, they're selfish",
This is just a basic observation and not treated as some earth shattering revelation. It's made clear in the very first arc where one examiner almost failed everyone because they didn't know what Sushi was, nor how to make it right
>>“Everyone has their own unique thoughts, feelings and goals”
This is an oversimplification at worst but basically misleading when people talk about the character writing of HxH. While still not unique, the story itself doesn't revolve around the MC like other shonen stories might. Gon basically walks into several ongoing plotlines and has to cope and he had the least agency in the Chimera Ants arc overall (besides the Election arc for obvious reasons). It's also not something people will treat as HxH's "claim to fame" but it's nice knowing that the story isn't just there for the MC. Who currently is now stuck doing homework while vastly more interesting things occur.

>So how is it different?
Consistent writing. Lots of arcs try and have huge arcs with lots of fights and an escalation in tensions and they simply shit the bed. Naruto's 4th great ninja war is a joke. Bleach's thousand year war arc is equally shit. The less said about Wano the better. Shibuya was actually great but then Gege fucked everything up with the Culling Game.

It also helps that HxH actually let Meruem be a threat because the only way he lost was because of a dirty bomb delivered by the best 1v1 combat specialist in the series.

If you want to know why HxH is treated so well, it's because Togashi is simply consistent in one thing. His ability to write good characters in interesting stories. Everything else is subjective since you either care about the scenario and people involved or you don't.

>>279866046
What manga is this from? It cant be HxH, there aint 20 fucking lines of info dump covering 88% of the panel.

>>279874264
>The fact that people can manifest powers out of nowhere breaks the fighting system.
Retards like you always show up. It shows you just experienced the story through shitposts and never through actual effort.

Making up powers on the spot always sucks. Cheetu is the prime example. The guy who wanted to make his hand into a hammer is another retard as well. Turns out if you don't think things through you are more often than not going to make a shit power.

>Chrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told.
Just like Kurapika could create a new chain with different rules, and a new facet to Emperor time that also changed his powers. People can upgrade abilities with practice and time. Chrollo seems to have added a rule regarding what powers he can steal based on the feats of theft he's already commited. It's an additional rule to allow the bookmark and some other contingency.
> What's stopping one of the Troop members from going "in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
Talent, potential, and not being retarded. They would need an ability that can seek out a person. They would have to trade something roughly equivalent to make sure their power can work within the confines of nen. And they would have to regard Kurapika as a big enough threat to do this which they overwhelmingly don't. After chrollo got exorcised, what was stopping them from ganking him as Kurapika didn't stop working with the Nostrade family? They simply didn't care because Hisoka was a bigger problem. And Chrollo does have a power that could track down Kurapika, he just has better uses for it instead of worrying about a guy that can't handle a 2v1 with competent nen users.

>>279865920 (OP)
>Can anyone tell me what's so special about Hunter X Hunter and the Chimera Ant arc?
There's a lot of cool shit in it? Are you retarded?

>>279874456
Oh, someone got the rest of your post, so I'll take a look at something else.
>>279867804
If you don't like dark, you don't like dark, that's fair. I think it did a decent job at establishing stakes. Kite dies, and even innocent children and a baby. I feel many series like to say how bad an enemy is, but don't do enough to make it concrete.

I don't understand the point you're making with Knuckle, he used it 3 times, and it was a fairly key usage in the 1st and 3rd times you mentioned. Kite, I mean, I guess it's an issue, but also not really. I'd like to see his other weapons, but the fact we know he had other things up his sleeve could make his death even more shocking, because he barely got to show everything. Maybe it would've been nice to see more from Leol, but I also don't think it was necessary, he was a minor villain. Even Chrollo only showed like 3 abilities on his first appearance, I think 4, including the unnamed teleportation ability.

Your idea for Komugi seems just as contrived. It's implied that the bird ran from Netero's aura, which makes the reason it would be agitated make fair enough sense to me.

>>279874671
>People can upgrade abilities with practice and time. Chrollo seems to have added a rule regarding what powers he can steal based on the feats of theft he's already commited. It's an additional rule to allow the bookmark and some other contingency.
The problem is that Chrollo's upgrade is never explained. That's the issue I'm having. Chrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told. What's stopping one of the Troop members from going "in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
But when fighting Hisoka, he said "I used to need to hold the book in one hand, now I don't. But I have some restrictions." He never said the restrictions or how he overcame needing one hand. They sat Gon and Kill down at least 3 time to explain nen and it's still confusing????
Let's go down the sequence of events. Chro had a limitation that he needed to hold the book now he does not. How did he do that, why now, what are the restrictions, what narrative sense does it make to take away a hindrance without showing another hindrance to replace it?

>>279874671
What stopping him from "training" and the next time that we see him he can just take people's powers by looking at them? A strong limitation was taken away and replaced with nothing. I can't wait for Gon to summon all of his power he'll ever have with no explained drawback. God speed is just an extension of Killua's abilities with no drawback. The audience knows nothing about nen because Togashi only explains what he wants. Please explain contracts/limitations and I'll explain how ridiculous it is.

It’s like Dragon Ball but instead of having good art it has long explanations of what’s happening, and instead of releasing weekly it doesn’t release at all

>>279874831
>>279874888
NTA, but I do think Chrollo’s explanation being handwaved away as ‘annoying conditions’ is kinda meh, but whatever they were, they weren’t relevant to the fight. In one of the more recent chapters, we’ve seen Chrollo decide he wants to steal a new Nen ability, I presume that’s when we’ll get more information about it, because it’ll be relevant. If you don’t really like the way that was done, it’s not really something I can argue, but it didn’t get in the way of my enjoyment personally. If he dies without it ever being explained, then I’ll agree it’s pretty lame

>>279874831
>The problem is that Chrollo's upgrade is never explained.
It doesn't have to be. We understand the rules behind augmenting abilities. We understand how contracts and limitations work on a conceptual level. You might as well just way that Gon-san is an asspull and prove you don't get the series at all.
>Chrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told
Because he recognized it was a power, it impeded his ability to use power like Covert hands or Gallery Fake. And he made a sub-ability to help him overcome it. It's literally told to us why he did it.
>"in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
Kurapika is not a threat to them anymore you moron.
>He never said the restrictions or how he overcame needing one hand
He dosen't need too. Bookmark
>>279874888
>What stopping him from "training" and the next time that we see him he can just take people's powers by looking at them?
Ability theft can only be cheap if it's temporary going by the series. Leol can steal a power by seeing it and getting a favor but he can only take a power once per favor. Chrollo permanently steals it. Going by other abilities and Zeno's own confirmation. He requires more conditions to accomplish this. Temporary possession == easier restrictions. Permament theft == big restrictions.
> I can't wait for Gon to summon all of his power he'll ever have with no explained drawback
He already did and the drawback was near death and he still can't use nen
>God speed is just an extension of Killua's abilities with no drawback
The drawback is he loses charge over time.
>The audience knows nothing about nen because
You are speaking for yourself
> Please explain contracts/limitations
Contracts and limitations are basically the same thing. A limitation is a contract where the user gives themselves a detriment for a proportional amount of gain. This gain however is based on some combination of objective and subjective value.

>>279874894
>It’s like Dragon Ball
Nope. Dragon Ball has nothing like this.
https://youtu.be/O4iyJp3TGXs

>>279875049
>It doesn't have to be.
Absolutely braindead. So with the proper restrictions you could have literally any ability correct?
Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her. She has a restriction, but negates that restriction for Kill. So she can just decide to negate it?
So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
So with this ability that we know nothing about the main characters life was saved. Is that good story telling?
If it wasn't for Nanako and he mystery power, he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling? Doesn't matter if he is a main character or the main. He survived and we don't have all of the details behind it. Is it good story telling?
So the details of how a character has a restriction that can be deactivated at will that saved a main characters life will be explained at some point. Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

>>279875088
>Absolutely braindead.
Chrollo is not obligated to tell Hisoka what he gave up to get the bookmark. Like >>279874984 says, if this isn't brought up later it's shit. But people fighting to the death aren't bound by codes of conduct to inform their opponent of everything. Remember that Chrollo used his infodumps to trick Hisoka into not realizing how Sun and Moon worked.
>Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her.
He can't grant wishes for himself as a consequence. Alluka is also possessed by some Dark Continent creature that may or may not operate on rules beyond nen.
>So she can just decide to negate it?
The decision comes from the Ai being creatures of codependency. If you abuse their power you suffer consequences, if you respect the creature you get benefits but are naturally inclined not to abuse them by design.

Basically don't be a dick with wishes and respect the Genie.
>So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
To punish the greedy and opportunistic.
>So with this ability that we know nothing about the main characters life was saved. Is that good story telling?
Nanika could heal Gon's body but not his mind. Nen is a psychic ability so the contract he imposed is still in effect even if his physical damage is healed. Seems consistent to me so it's good storytelling
>he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling?
yes and yes
> Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
Nobody cares if you won't sit through Togashi's frequent hiatuses to see if he will or will not explain shit. Stop crying or grab a chair because you will be sitting here for a while.

>>279875088
>Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her.
Alluka isn't granting the wish. She's possessed by a dark continent beast. The way its ability works is that negative wishes have negative consequences. Healing someone isn't negative, therefore no consequences. The nature of man makes her a world ending threat if she were to go about public freely, for obvious reasons.
>he would have died without living his dream
The hook with Gon is that his greatest fear throughout the manga is being powerless. And he loses everything and has to live as a normalfag.

>>279867192
>>279866046
based

Why do retards reply to this bait? The same fag will post the same post and get the same responses and nothing will change.

>>279875229
Because he'll endlessly bump it and mods won't do anything. The whole catalogue is this. There isn't a single thread that isn't this. There's no room for real discussion on this website.

So dangerous and so beautiful

>>279874831
Anon, its heavily implied that the new condition is that Chrollo had to explain all the abilities he was using

>>279865920 (OP)
>do everything only for money
>betray anyone for money
>kill the innocent
>torture the innocent
>mutilate their own children
>friends with gay pedo clowns
>have a star of David on all their gear
Why did togashi make the zoldycks look japanese when they're clearly jewish?

>>279865920 (OP)
it has "deconstruction" of shounen genre with le epic subversion of expectations, along with naval gazing and autistic shit
you have magic world-building, but somehow in one chapter, you defeat a main villain with a conventional weapon like bomb
the supposed 2deep4u philosophy is also shit, there is one character saying that humans in this vast universe is like dust in space, be he believes humans are not worthless and couldn't provide a proof why they're not worthless

>>279874686
that's ugly shit
>MOEruem
not cool like Cell

>>279878358
No it’s just a really good shonen. Full of fights most of which mog whatever slop you worship.

>>279874671
>something roughly equivalent to make sure their power can work within the confines of nen.
what determines what equivalents what
its so damn retard when writer write shits like this all these retards scream peak fiction

>>279865920 (OP)
It has great characters, a great power system, a great story and is very fun to read.
Even stuff like Greed Island which is a training arc, is very entertaining and well written.

>>279879067
Forget to say it takes place in a fantasy world, which the only other serialized shonen that does it is Boreto and One Piece.

>>279878503
>hxh
>having fights
great bait

>>279879067
annoying characters, convoluted power system, lame story and a chore to read
>>279879115
and black clover, demon slayer, fairy tail, dragon ball, gintama

>>279879198
black clover is over, demon slayer is over, fairy tail is terrible, toryiama is dead

>>279878567
>what determines what equivalents what
The strength of Togashi as a writer and some implied consistency within the series. If someone adds their own death as a limitation than we get told it grants a greater boost. If a power has it's scope limited to a narrow range of targets we also get told it's a large boost. A nen user that has low or weak potential won't get nearly as much out of their power compared to freaks like Gon. But we don't actually have the means to compare a before and after. We'll never see a version of Chain Jail that didn't rely on Kurapika's heart exploding if he uses it on a non-Phantom Troupe individual. We'll never see a nen user go SSJ like Gon did with the idea that they should die soon afterwards.

So it comes down to whether you think Togashi has done a good job creating the illusion that negative traits in abilities make them stronger.

>>279878215
They look russian, not japanese