Why did Anime look so good back then and today's anime looks like complete trash in comparison?

Are these threads satire?

I told them it's okay to cut corners

>>279877902 (OP)
I think this is an AI generated image.

>>279877922
it's making fun of oldniggers, yes

>>279877999
Wait no, there is an original that was hand done but OPs image was altered somehow?

>>279877922
>>279878042
Does modern anime look good to you?

>>279877922
I hate how modern anime looks yes.

>>279877922
50/50

>>279878057
You seem to live in a parallel universe where "old anime" and "modern anime" aren't hugely varied.

>>279878205
They are

>>279878205
Old anime all looked like Cowboy Bebop (it's very niche, you probably haven't heard of it)
New anime all look like Lucky Star (they canceled Cowboy Bebop to start making episodes of this moeshit)

>>279877922
A Mauritanian spammer makes them

>>279877902 (OP)
Making a thread like this with an image that's been AI-"corrected" for some reason is peak trolling. You operate on a completely different of abstraction, I'm simply in awe of your game

>>279877902 (OP)
Moeshit became the norm instead of niche

There is a reason most trannies have moeshit avatars. they are also the ones that get mad when you tell them it looks like trash

>>279878226
Even if it were ai corrected, it still captures the aesthetic of how anime looked like back then, point still stands

>>279878246
Hmm yes her deformed claw is really a sign of the times

>>279878248
Why do you get so upset when people tell you that what you watch looks ugly and it used to look better?

>>279878224
Is this freak still alive? I remember him always spamming about the "good old days" on /jp/.

>>279878260
The irony of getting defensive over your AIslop seems lost on you.

>>279877902 (OP)
It only looks better on static picture from nitpicked OAV.

You just forgot 90% of animes looked shit back then too.
Only difference is that now the internet and algorithms allow editors to cater only to a tiny group of obsessive whales or mainstream market with very low standard.

i would assume it is a trend change, new generations of anime enjoyers cannot watch it if it is not overly saturated with colors and pointless movements, i am quite sure that to them that equals to quality animation, just input as many pointless frames, change camera angles and throw in epilepsy worthy amount of colors into frame and they will adore it, the fact that subhumans look at shit like reddit no frieren and scream woah best thing ever is where we are at as humanity

>>279877922
those tits definitely look better than what we get nowadays.

>>279878270
I actually have no clue. Oldgoodnewbad posters are really generic to begin with and most of them have little to no traits which set them apart

>>279878057
Mediocre modern anime looks better than the best old anime
with the best modern anime its not even a comparison anymore

>>279877902 (OP)
Now post the eyesore garbage from the 70s.

>>279877902 (OP)
i liked golden boy too but bait used to be believable

>>279877902 (OP)
Computers made anime easier to produce.

>>279879490

>>279879490

>>279877902 (OP)
>>279879608
old good, new bad

>>279877922
The retro tard is the new funny schizo

>>279878415
based rintaro.
iirc takahata also had similar sentiments.

>>279878415
90% of everything has always been and always will be shit, nothing changed there.

>>279878415
>>279882949
I wonder what Itano would think.

the desperate pain of zoomers knowing they will never have anything in their generation to love

>>279877902 (OP)
Said anime should had got a H-OAV adaptation, but the author was a coward

>>279877902 (OP)
You really got them mad with this post huh.

>>279877902 (OP)
Cels (interlinked)

>>279882678
New looks better here though.

>>279877902 (OP)


We lost the tech

>>279887141
The joke is that they are from the exact same anime

>>279878057
yes
also, no one likes to mention that the anime in OP's screencap is fucking boring

>>279879471
>>279889308
So you're mentally ill faggots.

>>279882678

> anime then looks as computer generated shiny as the anime now

>>279879471

You want to share with the class whatever you have been smoking?

>>279889452
No, we just have taste.
But please, go on. Tell me what's good about the anime in OP's image, without mentioning the art style. What's it even about? People that post that screenshot don't even answer that much

>>279889520
You never watched Gochiusa or something retard anon?
>>279887610

>>279889540
why the fuck are you asking people for a synopsis of a show, you can literally find one yourself in less than 5 seconds

>>279889540
It's a raunchy sex comedy. Besides the sexy girls, a lot of the humor and conflict are oriented around people underestimating the protagonist and his heroism due to his seemingly irresponsible part-timer status during the Employment Ice Age. You could say the protagonist's "studying" is a model for making the most of hard times.
>People that post that screenshot
The "AI-corrected" screenshot that never shows up in actual discussion, of course, because you don't actually care about anime, you just have an autistic obsession with people who like what you don't like.

>>279877902 (OP)
The 3 biggest problems of modern anime:
>oversatured colors
>flat lighting
>same-face characters with similar heads and dot noses
That's it. But a few anime still look good.

>>279883636
>I wonder what Itano would think.
He would be glad we can do Itano circus while rotating the camera in a 360° 3D space.

I may wish we had 5-shade cel shading level of quality, but the old method of animation with multiplan camera were simply too limited.

>>279891201
>>oversatured colors
Social inertia from the time when they needed to overcome loss during capture and hold cathodic screen
But probably also because they know bright color are memorized more easily by their target public.

>>flat lighting
Cheaper to animate

>>same-face characters with similar heads and dot noses
That's mostly hirai-face,
But the lack of details do cause problem

>>279891914
>Social inertia from the time when they needed to overcome loss during capture and hold cathodic screen
How exactly?

>>279891486
It's worth noting Itano wasn't involved in Frontier or Delta, but I wouldn't rule it out considering he was involved in Rakuen Tsuihou and Gundam Origin. Nevertheless, that unfortunately misses the point of Itano Circus. It's not just meant to show a massive cluster of homing missiles but also demonstrate exceptional technical prowess. Ultimately, it's a tool like any other and can be abused as well as it can be used. In complicated rotoscoped cuts, you can often see the artist's poor grasp on perspective emerge in wobbly lines, which is a symptom of relying too much on their advanced tools. CGI rotoscoping has actually been used as far back as CCA and Stardust Memory, but in those cases you'll see that the art is still extremely crisp because it's simply used to eliminate the extra labor of linear projection rather than skip it entirely.

>>279891914
very cool how Sakura Kakumei went nowhere and died instantly due to Sega's incompetence

>>279891486
>>279892677
There are also those who truly attempt to leverage digital tools to the limits, but the result is just spastic and silly because none of that is actually necessary to depict what they want, hence the anime cameraman meme.

>>279892334
Before you could do that job on computer you needed multiplan camera to assemble each layers. Each layers of glass you need to capture through weakened colors.
And you had to make sure it would look good even watched on old CRT screens.
Technology evolved to remove that problem, but they keep doing it because that's how it was done before.

>>279891486
>>279892709
The important thing is that a skilled animator can depict 3D space well simply with key animation, not necessarily relying on multiplane cameras. Even if you were to point out the flaw of flat backgrounds, I could direct you to some Disney movies which repainted them for every frame, so the claim that 3D's range of expression is greater is technically false, and for those who can't break free of the limitations, the limitations prevent them from attempting something they can't actually accomplish, so it's practically false as well.

>>279892709
What's up with shonen anime and cubes?

>>279892932
Yutapon cubes, it's a technique used to better show the debris and destruction in particular scenes though of course some anime overuse it or it simply isn't done well however when done well it is effective because it blends in seamlessly with the scene.

>>279892677
>that unfortunately misses the point of Itano Circus. It's not just meant to show a massive cluster of homing missiles but also demonstrate exceptional technical prowess
The point of those circus is to look good, you don't even need lot of missiles saturating the entire screen, you need constant movement in an aesthetic way.
Itano may have named the methods, but he reused the same animation a lot and others have since surpassed him.
You can't improve on Itano's circus without eventually going full 3D, it's the entire point.

The problem come when amateur think they can fake it simply by saturating the sceen with zigzagging lines.

>>279877902 (OP)
>while posting AI slop
Awful bait. *yawn*

>>279892786
The only issue of this scene is that the mechas are too skinny.

>>279892677
This scene is weird but I like it.

>>279890147
Sounds fucking boring.
Nice projection at the end, but nah, I just want people to actually have some logic behind their dumb takes.
>>279889892
Anon, you're on a discussion board, you realize this, right?

>>279892786
Back in time they did what they could to give the illusion of 3D space, but they cannot never outdo what modern tools allow now.
Your webm show the limitation. It's 2D traveling and statics frames, the times when they stop using multiplane camera is also the moment when background quality go to crap.
Sure, SDF-1 Macross was cheap as hell, but they couldn't do better.

>the claim that 3D's range of expression is greater is
Factual.
I'm not even talking of using 3D characters or 3D objects for environment. I'm talking about the ability to actually move the 2D drawing within a 3D space with perfect scaling or rotating the camera 360° without transition.

Digital animation also brought perfect control of the timing and duration of frames.
https://youtu.be/9IkRE7miK3I?t=10

>>279893688
>Anon, you're on a discussion board
we're here to talk about shows we've already seen with other people who have seen them, not spoonfeed retards information they can find themselves

>>279893146
It's just cool directing

>>279893146
>look good
That's an ironic attempt at reduction. A pleasing image is more than what it depicts. Awe towards the beauty and sublimity of the craft are also part of the emotional experience. The deeper your understanding of the underlying process becomes, so does your appreciation. It's like this with all art forms.
>You can't improve on Itano's circus without eventually going full 3D, it's the entire point.
I'm not even rejecting the potential of 3D, but I hope you recognize it all gets flattened into a 2D image either way. Linear perspective has been around since the Renaissance and perfected with curvilinear perspective in the 1950s, all with geometric hand tools. If it's possible to depict a 3D image in 2D, it's possible to animate it, which is why I distinguished between the technical and the practical.
>>279893710
>I'm talking about the ability to actually move the 2D drawing within a 3D space with perfect scaling or rotating the camera 360° without transition.
And that ability is wasted without the underlying technical knowledge to back it up, as seen in the Black Clover, Chainsaw Man, and GoHands examples. It's funny you post Fate considering the highway scene in the first HF movie has the same problem. Ironically, you actually need to go all the way with 3D characters and objects to overcome that shortcoming, as seen in Comet Lucifer, but then it's no longer what people are looking for in anime.
>Digital animation also brought perfect control of the timing and duration of frames.
It just became easier to edit and correct without dealing with the headaches of film. All of that stuff has always been rigorously detailed on dopesheets. Nothing has changed on a fundamental level, and there's still plenty of animation with dogshit timing because the editor/photographer doesn't realize the dopesheet is mistaken or isn't allowed to correct it. This is the key problem I keep stressing: it's an assistant, not a replacement.

it seems like these days there are only a few skilled animators still in the industry, and they all end up concentrated in a few big productions a year. then most of those productions have shit directors which results in scenes that look like garbage even if they're technically well animated. meanwhile every other show that gets made is low budget slideshows.

>>279891914
who animated this?

>>279877902 (OP)
>>279877922
No

>>279878057
The good ones thata have a budget highter than $57 and two shoestrings, yeah

Anime has been going down hill ever since the bubble burst.

Please understand, it was a time when Japan had unlimited money, and shit wasn't outsourced to Kim Wong Jung or Xian Lin Fu

>>279892786
>that webm
The good old days, when you could tell what was going on in the scene—before the battles in Macross became a clusterfuck of effects, a million elements on screen, and vomit-inducing camera work that makes you feel like the action is being recorded by someone with Parkinson's disease.

>>279892786
>that webm
Ah, the good old days, when you could tell what was going on in the scene, before the battles in Macross became a clusterfuck of effects, a million elements on screen, and vomit-inducing camera work that makes you feel like the action is being recorded by someone with Parkinson's disease.

>>279877902 (OP)
Celulose magic.

>>279893250
>*yawn*

>>279879471
There's fucking hentai from the 90's and early 2000's that mogs the shit out of any current anime lmao, I don't know what you're talking about. The lowest budget stuff from back then looks like Da Vinci art compared to what we get now.

>>279877902 (OP)
Cel animation

>>279883036
If you're going to post Hand Shakers, at least post the boob bounce scene.

>>279880374
damn, an actual good fight scene without the camera jumping all over the place

>>279895954
CloverWorks

>>279877902 (OP)
I love old anime!
(wish I could post old webms again)

>>279900953
what was this called? I think I remember the biker chick getting raped and there being a lesbian scene but I don't remember the name.

>>279902974
Why can't you? I know the mods soft banned a load of old webms but I just remade them.

>>279903011
Shin-ban Megami Tantei Vinus File (The Venus Files)

Every thread it's 90% people posting OAVs and claiming all of anime was that good.

>>279903014
I just don't have em anymore, no drive to create new ones.
These old anime treads live and die through Mauritania anon's humorous tantrums, but he's dead and buried.

>>279903494
Ah. I know that feel. I've deleted loads of shit over the years. Got my new PC soon and this time I promise I will make proper folders and files... But I probably won't.

>>279903180
It's like when people make fun of Dragonball Super by comparing it to a high budget DBZ OVA.
While ignoring how 90% of the DBZ show was just them floating in the air, talking and that was most of the animation.

>>279877902 (OP)
Plenty of anime "back then" looked like ass too. You probably haven't really watched any anime from "back then" beyond a few of the most highly recommended and well-regarded shows.

>>279903642
About half of the posts ITT are old TV shows, in some cases comparing favorably to recent movies. Even so, why don't OVAs exist anymore if the format was so uniquely conducive to sakuga? If it's something unique to the era, what's unfair about using them for comparisons to show how times have changed for the worse?

>>279903180
DBZ had a lot of stills by virtue of being a 300 episode series airing for 6 years without breaks, but there are still plenty of solid-to-phenomenal parts for all the action in the TV series as well, which really shines through in Kai. By comparison, Super had a handful of acceptable episodes at all, mainly in ToP, and inexplicably reanimated BoG and Resurrection F, which mostly looked great in theaters, into pure QUALITY. Of course, this is a problem localized to Toei and not necessarily reflective of the industry as a whole, which is in a more complicated situation of pros and cons.

>>279903704
You're responding to an admitted falseflagger. 279878042

>>279900953
Modern anime fans think that all an anime needs to be good is flashy animation, nothing else matters to them. Give them a show with the most dull-looking character designs, color palettes and backgrounds possible but with flashy animation and they'll think it's perfect.

>>279898101
Doesn't look as good in stills,
but..

>>279904520
Animation-wise still pretty nice

>>279890147
>90's
>Employment Ice Age

>>279903180
People should only be allowed to post weekly anime from the 80s-90s like Saint Seiya or Yu Yu Hakusho because that would make modern anime (which is 99% seasonal) not look that bad? OVAs were an anime medium as common as any other back then, you shouldn't be mad about them being posted.

>>279903704
Nah but during the japanese economic bubble, even bumfuck ovas that made no cultural splashes and no-one outside of japan knew looked great too.
It's just that they can't throw that kinda money around at everything now.

>>279904595
Do you think it took 9 years for people to start losing their jobs after the bubble popped?

>>279883036
Why does this look like a PSP game?
>GoHands
That explains it.

>>279889540
Anon, golden boy is one of the most beloved ovas and subjectively the ecchi comedy they've made

>>279904710
it popped in 2008 retard.

>>279904772
Buddy...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble

>>279891201
It has nothing to do with looks, but I don't like how waifu-centric anime became. Back then there were a lot of pretty girls that were clearly made to appeal to men as well, but there were also tons of male characters that were fun to watch. Now 90% of the male characters are just there to meet the demographic, it's almost always all about the female characters who are mostly mary sues, which makes them pretty boring to watch.

>>279903704
>Plenty of anime "back then" looked like ass too. >You probably haven't really watched any anime from "back then" beyond a few of the most highly recommended and well-regarded shows.
This has always been a demoralizing tactic
>Dude Anime in the past was as bad as modern anime!
No.

>>279903642
DBZ had bad moments, but it also had a lot of nice looking stuff from the beginning to the end. DBS looked like dogshit consistently until ToP and even then it still looked worse than your average Buu Saga episode.

>>279905333
>facts are demoralizing

>>279878205
they are not, the majority of 10/10 anime came out in the 90/80 and even early 2000s, and i am talking about animation only.

>>279905689
I'm not that anon, but pretending that anime has always been shit just to ‘'not give it to the boomers’' is pretty pathetic. I was only 15 when the first episode of DBS came out and I never thought I had to defend it because ‘'this was what my generation got’' I thought it had shitty quality back then and I still think so.

>>279889308
he is talking about the animation not the plot, and its not even a plot anime because its a comedy.

>>279904627
nta but there's nothing necessarily bad about posting OVAs but they tend to be used disingenuously in this "old anime good, new anime bad" argument. Like yeah, the super high budget 4 episode OVA is going to fucking slaughter a modern weekly anime in terms of how it looks and animation, just like they slaughtered the average weekly anime that aired back then too. Macross Plus and 7 aired in the same year and Plus looks much, much better than 7 and is animated better too.

>>279903642
DBS is the absolute worse example you could use. It looks like and is animated like trash even compared to anime in this age. Like others said, it didn't get consistently decent until ToP.

>>279879490
Ok.

https://youtu.be/SANfYqmNz6U?si=4cLdvIbeEChdSUvq

>>279878205
ah yes, the "you just aren't looking hard enough" argument.
You didn't had to try back in the day.
>inb4 more cope

>>279905926
People aren't thinking about weekly anime when they post those OVA screenshots because weekly anime barely exist today. No one is comparing something like the Kenshin OVAs to the current equivalent of some Naruto Shippuden episode because over 90% of anime these days is seasonal.

>>279904405

It isnt just modern anime watchers that have this problem. Thats been a thing for as long as i can remember.
Just saying.

>>279877902 (OP)
Modern design is 99% of the times nondescript and doesn't like adults and adult features either way

>>279877999
I think you don't watch actual anime

>>279878563
Why does not being at the peak of the media makes you this angry and condescending?
You thing yo uare entitled to be alive during the best of times?

>>279878415
>You just forgot 90% of animes looked shit back then too.
The other 10% used to exist, faggot.
Stop using this fake argument

>>279889540
>tell me how much 2+2 is without mentioning 4

>>279895574
Accurate

>>279904627
>Saint Seiya or Yu Yu Hakusho
Those still mog modern shit

>>279905581
how did that not kill him?

>>279904563
Colors are digital vomit, she's a midget and netshit just wanted a desexualized version of the real deal

>>279907869
I've seen this recently. Not bad at all. Love the design

>>279907889
The colors are pastel on purpose, it's an artistic choice and she was always a rather small person, she isn't any smaller now.
>netshit just wanted a desexualized
There are tits still in the anime, your brain is fried from the in-your-face ecchi tits of modern smut you've forgotten ranma never did it like that. except for the ovas and movie 2.

>>279904050
>why don't OVAs exist anymore
They still do, we have a couple OVA's this season anon and we usually get a fair few OVA's every year. Most OVA's where dogshit by the way, especially the ones created between 1990 and 1995.

>>279877902 (OP)
Because trash is cheaper to make and paypigs will consoom anyway, that's the basis of both capitalism and democracy

>>279878415
You guys have no idea how badly I wish I could sit on a comfy chair in some random room in a high rise building... there is nothing better than that to me.

>>279908739
Um anon, become a butler

>>279908864
I don't want to do it as a butler. I want to do it as my own man. A man who lives on his own time.

Someone has to post it so it may as well be me.

>>279883036
>>279902905
>>279904716
They are getting better.

>>279877902 (OP)
Because the attention span of Gen X and 80s born Millennials was different compared to 90s born Millennials and Gen Z. The latter two usually needed something more vibrant and toony in design to maintain their interests

>>279908280
>it's bad on purpose
>it was always like that
>it never was like that

>>279877902 (OP)

>>279910579

>>279910579
>>279910591

>>279909919
lmao that looks garbage
early gohands was peak, they degraded every passing second to reach that point

>>279898101
Looks like it only improved.

>>279898101
Osamu Dezaki died, that's what happened.

>>279910650
try glasses

oh look it's one of these threads

>>279911993
Thank you for proving once again that older anime are better.
You were trying to do that, right?

zoom ins, camera slides on stills, and looping is good animation apparently

>>279910579
>>279910607

>>279910607
>>279912080

>>279912080
>>279912097

>>279893146
Kids these days don't know or care about Macross Plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9vzrds2xc

>>279877902 (OP)
To be clear, "Golden Boy" (as you posted), was 1 season 6-Episode rated-R miniseries that had way more budget to produce. It's not some random crap.

>>279889540
people that swear on old anime are normalfags with sunk cost on their vhs tapes and don't watch anime. They don't have the vocabulary to explain what's good about it compared to modern shows

>>279877922
No they're unironically serious. Throw hald a tit at otakus and they will call master piece, they've been relentlessly doing it for decades so now studios don't bother with actual concepts or stories anymore.

>>279877999
Nigger.

>>279912121

>>279912219
That webm looks beyond awful

>>279912744
all of the old anime webms and posts in this thread are beyond awful

>>279877902 (OP)
Because all artistic currents are born, rise i nquality, peak, stagnate, decline, become gentrified commercial slop and then die.
Dunno why it's so baffling to some people

>>279912782
They are mostly posted by hipsters with recency bias like you nitpicking for the worst you could find. And thy still are more einteresting then you digitalshit nondescript moeslop twirling in front of a 3d background with flat illumination

>>279912844
that's nice but modern anime is more interesting and better than asymmetrical, low frame, single color toned, cheap camera pans and zooms, cardboard cutout old anime slop

>>279912482

>>279878057
yes

>>279912914
That's nice but things that never happened and nobody says.
Thank you for playing, contrarian

>>279913062
Once again you cherrypicked, and left is still more interesting than the slop on the right
How butthurt can you be if your defense is lying?

>>279913062
Does posting this fake shit ever work?
You lonely seething schizo always do it, but you are yet to convince anyone

>>279913100
>lying
Which of the screenshots in that image are fake?

>>279913071
You mean things everyone says and always happened because they can describe whats wrong with old shit. Locked camera and background completely rapes and destroys all "old anime is better" arguments

>>279913142
Specious question
>>279913237
>everyone say this
>everyone agrees
>everyone cand say [buzzword]
kek, get glasses and step out from your bubble. Yo uare jsut angry we jumped on the anime train on the 3rd class last wagon

>>279877902 (OP)

This is an anime screenshot from 2025.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5iv4nTUBmY

>>279913349
get some actual arguments since you're not convincing anyone

>>279913414
left looks better

>>279913454
>NO U
>nondescript modern design #4354334818318413

>>279913446
Damn, modern anime looks like THAT?

>>279913493
still not an argument and bested by moekino

>>279913496
In old anime that would be a design you would find in stuff for 5yo girls

>>279913550
>he's a moeshitter
QED
And with that we are done here
Thank you for conceding, buddy
bye

>>279913561
>that would be a design you would find in stuff for 5yo girls
You're a retarded poser.
That kind of design was fucking everywhere, especially in anime adaptions of visual novels/galgames.

This is a design aimed at fully grown men.

>>279910801
My vision is fine, sweaty.

>>279913561
>>279913603
Poser faggot.

>>279913585
Schizophrenia

>>279913446
>>279913496
>a serious "neo-1990s" anime that isn't a parody, satire or meta
holy shit

>>279913660
>isn't a parody

>>279913561
>>279913603
Aimed at fully grown men, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSsnOK9rCzk

>>279913585
maybe dry your eyes and actually explain how old anime is better? don't be a bitch

>>279910529
And where am I wrong? Huh? crybaby stupid fuck

>>279913446
>>279913747
It even copied the logo design lmao

>>279893861
if you saw it yourself, you wouldn't be triggered by a simple question where you'd be able to prove you saw an anime

Why is modern anime so much better at doing 1990s anime than 1990s anime, anyways?

>>279914365
Even less censored than the original 1990s anime, too!