Imagine a series with the same aesthetics and atmosphere, but actually good

Yeah, boomers really thought this shit was deep and philosophical.
>"oh no! The boy I saved became a fucked up serial killer"

Being contrarian isn't a personality or a substitute for having one

>>279898531
Ok let’s be so for real now. Monster isn’t the masterpiece millennials make it to be. It’s a convoluted story that tries to build something epic just to blueball you miserably at the end.

>>279898669
it wanders and has an obvious conclusion but at least it's not moe harem isekai x100 for the quarter. So at least it has that going for it.

>>279898036 (OP)
It's called Pluto.

Imagine criticizing Monster, of all series, among thousands of anime for grown ass manchilds who watch 2d worlds on a screen, seeking comfort and escape from their garbage lives. The moment you give them something more akin to real life, of course they don't like it!

Monster is at the very least a decent thriller story. It deals with the worth of human life. You may like this particular theme or not, but there's no denying how well it it does what it's meant to do.

>>279898036 (OP)
I never quite understood those hallucinations where people saw Johan as a literal biblical monster, I think it only happened twice but it was really misleading.

>>279900495
Oops, wrong pic. See you guys in a week!

>>279898036 (OP)
Its been at least 10 years since I read this, what's with the random hate for it?

>>279898036 (OP)
FMA 2003

>>279900495
uuuuh, anon....what is that picture.....

>>279898669
>convoluted
what was convoluted about it? if anything it was too straightforward

>>279900495
To quote Gordon Ramsey, Where's the damn sauce?

>>279898991
>spend 74 episodes hunting a murderer
>he killed even more people
>no I still can't shoot him (even though I already shot a guy)
>leave him alone in a hospital to escape and kill more people
This is top tier writing

>>279901635
>This is top tier writing
this, but unironically

>>279901635
>>279898110
>Series deals morally nuanced topics
>arguably it does it badly
>this is in contrast to all of the other popular series that have completely straighforward moral issues.
>It is still objectively more interesting and well written than "good guy beat bad guy but bad guy have tragic backstory" series #4747574589
what's the problem?

>>279900569
contrarian historical revisionism with bits and pieces of shitposting about muh generations integrated into it is part and parcel of the hobby

>>279901754
>good guy beat bad guy but bad guy have tragic backstory" series #4747574589
This is what monster is though except no one wins

>>279902067
Johan literally did win

>>279898110
Don't zoomers love Monster? The people who love Classroom of the Elite love this show

>>279898036 (OP)
Anon you can’t talk shit about Monster and FMA on /a/ even if you’re right because losers here will immediately associate it you with a local lolcow making all possible discussion futile.
>>279901913
Holy newfag. Monster hasn’t never been liked by /a/

>>279903634
>actually anon, we've ALWAYS had shit taste
not the flex you think it is

>>279903634
My shitting on Monster comes from a place of love because there's things in it I really like

>>279898991
It was absolutely not a decent thriller. It constantly deflated its own tension, had no idea how to handle its pacing, relied on the same very cheap suspenseful tricks over and over again.
One example out of many:
>characters are pointing guns at each other
>cut to random angle
>gunshot
>cut to B plot
A third person shot one of the dudes anyway. That happens like 6 times. You should watch Monster.

>>279898036 (OP)
>bad people are le bad because people treat them badly
SO PROFOUND

>>279898036 (OP)
Did you mean to ask ChaGPT that?

>>279898036 (OP)
i really didn't like the show either, but i thought i was an odd one for not liking due to the amount of people who said they loved it, turns out there are as many people who hate it, interesting

>>279906558
only pseuds like the ending

What a garbage thread, from garbage low IQ subhumans. As expected from /a/.

this thread made me quit this site.

>>279906558
Why is everything a love it or hate it with you fags?

>>279907254
Goodbye then

test

>>279898531
Gobbling everything spread by the normalfag media isn't substitute for having an opinion either.

Both pacing and animation of this garbage is awful. You could make a supercut with 1/3 of the total material used and you would lose no content whatsoever. It's prime example of "baby's first".

Nips can't writre crime drama even if thire lives depend on it. This genere is copletely dead in Japan.
MC is a shameless selfintrest on top of that.
The only reason why it was popular in the first is because it takes place in Jermany, so it appealed to westoids, who at the time thought all Japanese tropes are cringe.
You can visit your local bookstore. Pick up ANYTHING from crime section, and I guarantee it will have higher literary value the this slop. But then again, you've probably never read a book in your life, did you.

>>279898036 (OP)
Monster may stand out as an anime since for it's theme and characters, but it would be considered a mediocre thriller for western standards.

Monster stands out for it's lack of anime tropes that are frowned upon by non-otaku audiences. However, if you judge it for what it tries to by, which is a mystery thriller, it's quite mediocre. It would have never reached the "prestige" it has had it been a live action.

>>279904625
>>279901635
>>279898669
the problem with Monster's finale imo isn't that Tenma still refused to shot Johan like a bitch he is
it's the fact some random drunkard shot Johan instead of Lunge like HE CLEARLY HAD AN UPPER HAND AGAINST WHATHISNAME FAKE LAWYER WHY WOULD YOU SHOWED HIM LOST OFF SCREEN
AND HE STILL LET LUNGE ALIVE?
WTF WAS THE WRITER'S THINKING

Lunge shooting Johan would also make perfect sense thematically, narratively, and poetically

>>279909530
but it's le symbolism, the love of the father defeats johan

I know this is just a compulsive shitpost thread but is the anime particularly worse than the manga? I haven't seen it but the manga is great so I have to assume it is somehow.

>>279901635
Johan doesn't go to kill more people. Once Tenma tells him his real name his mother thought for him, in the last chapter, it's really obvious that even if he won't go on being a murderer.

>>279909530
He wins and then passes out from blood loss or something.

>>279901754
>>279904625
Issues I found:
>excessive need to justify evil as the result of some kind of trauma
>too many side characters that only exist as plot device that loredumps their entire backstory and has a big epiphany like some schizo (see Eva’s bodyguard)
>dialogue is stiff and characters tend to say same thing over and over, makes characters seem flat and 2d
>Overuse of orphan with prostitute mother, came off as repetitive as if writer couldn’t come up with unique scenarios
Monster is still good but you’ll find a lot of manga with better writing. It’s not even particularly morally complex, considering MC is supposed to be the japanese messiah

>>279910178
The anime is literally exactly the same as the manga in terms of story, like it's probably one of the closest adaptations out there. Nothing really got changed/cut, like at most there a handful of panels (and I really mean a handful) that you could point to and be like "oh they didn't include this one shot in the episode," but that's it.

The problem with the anime compared to the manga is just that the pacing feels much slower when presented as a screen adaptation, compared to how you can read the manga at your own pace. But content-wise it's exactly the same.

Oh wait one actual detail between the two that I think is worse:

Johan crossdressing as Nina is something that's obviously designed to be a great twist when experienced in the format of manga because you can't hear the characters' voices; you're just assuming it's Nina based off the visuals because why wouldn't it be. In the anime it feels more like they cheat it a little out of necessity, by using Nina's voice until the reveal. Feels a little silly that Johan can imitate her perfectly even though the twist still works

>>279910592
That's what I figured, pacing issues is something I've just come to expect from most adaptations, especially the more strictly faithful ones. I was thinking more along the lines of bad animation or music throwing off the tone but if you didn't mention it I assume it's not a problem, just OP being an obsessed faggot as usual.

Funny enough I actually never thought about Johan's voice for that part at all, just gotta chalk it up as another one of his wunderkind powers I suppose.

unprotected sex with Nina Fortner

>>279898036 (OP)
It's been a while since I watched, I only remember I wished it was a bit shorter. By the time we learn about Johan childhood experiment there was nothing else to look forward to besides the final fight at the town

>>279911636
She was way better character than Tenma, they did her dirty turning her into a basket case.

>>279908942
I can shit on everything about Münster but not on the animation, Madhouse at its peak, it is well animated.

I can't believe they hyped the apartment door as some mindbreaking secret reveal for 20 episodes and when it finally happened it was just that Nina saw her brother dressed as her and that gave her psychotic amnesia, then that whole arc-long affair was insta-thrown under the rug so nothing can come out of it.

>>279910263
What defeated Johan was that he teleportation powers stop working in the rain and his paralyzing fear aura can only target one.

>>279898036 (OP)
>Humans are le real monster
Kino

ITT

>>279910216
>it's really obvious
For you.

>>279910910
The music is the best part about the anime

>>279911636
>the final fight at the town
Most of which happens off-screen btw

>>279898036 (OP)
It's actually the only series I know where every side character, some that exist for 2 or even less episodes are more interesting than the protagonist.

>>279898036 (OP)
so, Monster?

>>279918383
The side characters are the best part of Monster

>>279898036 (OP)
What's so attractive about its aesthetics?

>>279898110
it literally has many philosophies
>human lives are not equal
>name equals your existence
>etc

>>279900596
No bullshit when I say that FMA 2003 was so shit I started laughing trying to tear my skin out somewhere near the middle to end. I wanted to experience the show so badly because its Fullmetal fucking Alchemist and I decided to start with the 2003 version but it was so fucking awful it killed all motivation I had to watch Brotherhood when I'm certain is the way better version. I forced myself to watch it all, there was something in the back of my mind telling me that there's no fucking way something good wont happen at some point in the story before ending from all the hype it gets but no.

>>279898036 (OP)
A lot of things about Monster is good but there's nothing great about it. Johan was on track to be such an amazing antagonist until it was revealed that he's actually been killing le real monstas!!! the whole time, I thought that was so unbelievably lame.

>>279920837
Johan starts hunting down his past and the people who did the experiments only after he remembers something. Which is roughly at half of the story. Not the whole time for sure.

>>279920837
I thought Johan's relationship with the monster book was great, honestly the whole plot about the book was very interesting to me. It's a cliche thing to pull off in a murder mystery story but I think Monster pulled it off way too well

>>279910178
The anime is better. The art is better, and it has music, which makes the overall atmosphere better.

A lot of faggots like to say that the pacing is bad or whatever, but I disagree. The pacing is honestly perfect.

>>279910592
>compared to how you can read the manga at your own pace.
Being a speedreader is not a good thing, actually.

>>279898036 (OP)
Gurren Lagann. Not so good.

Wut

>>279921177
>The pacing is honestly perfect

>>279901635
It's the basic rule of thumb for acceptable protag you root for
>protag doesn't kill anyone (otherwise you send the signal that killing people is morally good)
or
>protag that kills gets a really shitty fate/dies (i.e. "crime doesn't pay")
It's also why side characters that kill can redeem themselves by dying.

>>279924294
Roberto would absolutely be dead if not for plot bullshit

>>279921177
yeah no the others are right monster is one of my favourite manga of all time and even I find the pacing of the anime glacial I tried to watch it 3 times year apart and never managed to finish it meanwhile I reread the manga at leas 5-6 times
some stories just work better when read than when acted out