Why do lots of westoid anime fans hate this so much?

Too Japanese

they are too irony poisoned they can't even appreciate a simple story like this

>>279907867
>simple story
Then explain why did Nezuko revert back at sunlight while every other demon dies. It has a glaring plot hole that completely kills it's worldbuilding and the author's credibility as a writer.

>>279907841 (OP)
>anime fans hate this so much
Proof?

>>279908843
westoid anime fans*, need to clarify. either way you're talking out of your ass, OP

>>279908083
They ingested the blue spider lily (that grows on uta's grave) when they were kids.
That's why both her and tanjirou have sun resist.

>>279907857
Vagabond is also very Japanese, moreso than Demon Slayer that does nothing with the time period the story is set, and Westerners wank the hell out of it. Most Japanese "Cinephile" think Akira Kurosawa is a bad director and his movies are very Japanese, in fact, the majority of praise Kurosawa gets is never from Japan and from the West.

"Too Japanese" is not the problem. The problem is just that this series is badly written.

>>279907841 (OP)
It really is too Japanese. In Japan this was like a harry potter level of hype, but it just doesn't appeal to the culturally different westerners (specifically americans), especially the part where family is important.

>>279907841 (OP)
Is OP going to explain himself or what?

>>279909244
“Too Japanese” is a cope and not a viable scapegoat for weak writing or shallow characters. Plenty of Japanese media with deeply rooted cultural themes have been massive international hits, because they’re actually good. Your Name, Spirited Away, Tokyo Story, Shoplifters, Seven Samurai, Vagabond, Rurouni Kenshin, Princess Mononoke are all "very Japanese" and all praised across the board. So what's the real difference? Execution, which Demon Slayer doesn't do well.
>In Japan this was like a harry potter level of hype
Cool. And Twilight was insanely popular in the West. Popular =/= quality. Mass appeal is not proof of literary depth. It just means the marketing hit right, the timing was perfect, and it emotionally clicked with a broad audience. That’s fine. Demon Slayer can be loved by millions and still be a mid story propped up by sakuga and sob music. That doesn’t make criticism invalid, it just makes the fanbase defensive.

Also, Jujutsu Kaisen had similar hype and it has a larger international traction than Demon Slayer despite being arguably less “family-oriented.” What’s your next cope?
>it just doesn't appeal to the culturally different westerners (specifically americans), especially the part where family is important
You’re telling me Americans, a nation that produces an Avengers movie every two years where half the plot is “found family” and “save your sister/brother/daughter/cat”, can’t connect with the concept of family? Fast & Furious is literally built on “family” memes. The Last of Us blew up because of a dad-daughter dynamic. Finding Nemo exists.

This cope is almost insulting. Westerners aren’t emotionally dead inside, they just don’t get emotional over underdeveloped characters yelling each other's names while crying blood tears every other episode.

>>279907841 (OP)
Something to do with this cunt, I'd wager

>>279909398
Has anyone in the manga ever commented on Zenitsu's weird nature? I mean him being a wuss regularly but turning into a chad when sleepwalking? IIRC Tanjiro admired his fighting skills but I think that's it

Demons Slayer has too many flash backs and slower moments for westerners. The last season was considered terrible because it didn’t have any fights.

Western audiences like shows that give them a constant dopamine hit. Why do you think solo leveling was so popular?

Another part is people trying to act pretentious and despising it to appear that they have more refined taste.

>>279909512
>too many flashbacks
How is One Piece popular then?

>>279907841 (OP)
Because Kimetsu no Yaiba is both simple and complex. The simplicity is the top layer which allow people just enjoy it self but people can still dig deeper to find meaning in the work. Western fans don't do that, they prefer to watch a video essay telling them what make certain works deep.

>>279909522
>Picks another popular show that infamously did not take off in the USA
Are you serious?

>>279909571
>Makes another retarded false claim
What the fuck is this thread? Is everyone here living in another reality?

>>279909571
What anime DID take off in the US then?

>>279909522
One Piece is popular with the Lore nerds who think everything Oda wrote was planned and connected since the start

>>279909597
How is it false??

>>279909676
I'm even an OPfag but if you think OP never took off in the states, then you haven't been paying attention for the last 2 decades.

>>279909512
Nah. The problem isn’t that Demon Slayer has flashbacks, it’s that they suck. They’re overused, melodramatic, and drop in the middle of climactic scenes like emotional speed bumps. “Here’s a 3-minute tragic backstory for demon #47 right as his head is flying off.” We get it, every demon had a sad life. But when it happens every single arc with the same tearjerker piano and recycled trauma tropes, it becomes emotional spam. Western audiences can absolutely handle slow moments IF THEY’RE EARNED. Want proof?
Breaking Bad is slow as fuck at times. Huge hit.
The Sopranos is mostly psychological tension and dialogue.
Even Attack on Titan had multi-episode lore dumps. People loved it.

It’s not that Demon Slayer is too “slow” or “deep.” It’s that it’s boring as shit when it slows down. There's a difference.
>The last season was considered terrible because it didn’t have any fights.
Wrong. It was considered terrible because *nothing happened*. There was no tension. No character development. The bad guy sat around being edgy, MC did his MC thing and yhe pacing was glacial. It was filler in all but name. You could’ve skipped the entire season and missed nothing. That’s not a lack of fighting, that’s a lack of storytelling.
>Western audiences like shows that give them a constant dopamine hit. Why do you think solo leveling was so popular?
Meanwhile, Western audiences are the same ones obsessing over:
>Vinland Saga
A slow-burn, introspective anti-war epic.
>Hunter x Hunter
A carefully crafted story about the exploration of human nature, the meaning of life, and the complexities of relationships.
>Monster
Basically anime Dostoevsky.
>Steins;Gate
Time travel, psychological loops, science babble, and minimal action.

So no, Westerners not dopamine-addicted retards. They just don’t clap for mediocrity.

>>279909723
>I'm not*

>>279907841 (OP)
Because they're pseuds that take pulp style stories far too seriously but that are inherently too uneducated to appreciate or simply lazy to actually put in the time to read proper literature.

>>279907841 (OP)
Console wars

>>279908871
can you quit repeating this retarded meme that they ate a flower
they're consecrated by generations of doing the hinokami kagura and living on the land where a literal avatar or the sun god's sun is buried. they don't need to have eaten a fucking flower

>>279909597
>it's famous and popular now therefore it's always been that way since it began
I have to assume you're trolling because One Piece flopped in the US thanks to the 4kids dub. It took decades to recover its image for Americans.

Why does this chatgpt user hate kimetsu so much?

>>279909741
>Nah. The problem isn’t that Demon Slayer has flashbacks, it’s that they suck. They’re overused, melodramatic, and drop in the middle of climactic scenes like emotional speed bumps. “Here’s a 3-minute tragic backstory for demon #47 right as his head is flying off.” We get it, every demon had a sad life. But when it happens every single arc with the same tearjerker piano and recycled trauma tropes
You can stop right there anon, it clearly the only information source you get about the series is regurgitate from the meme because that is clearly wrong. Everytime I heard that argument I can discard that person's opinion right away because it clearly that the person never read the series

>>279909522
Pwople LOVE the flashbacks in One Piece, because they're actually good. They build the world, deepen character arcs, raise stakes, and matter to the story. Demon Slayer's flashbacks, by contrast, often feel like last-minute sympathy bombs and they don't even matter at the end of the day. If people hate the Demon Slayer flashbacks, then that's a Demon Slayer problem.

>>279909549
Bro, 'simple but deep if you squint' isn't complexity. It's just you coping. Every show has fans who read too hard into shit. Doesn't mean the actual writing is complex.

>Raving One Piece fans attack other fanbases again

I cannot wait for the McDonalds of Manga to be older.

>>279909398
Westerns actually like him way more than you'd think.

>>279910147
This is the correct answer.

>>279907841 (OP)
Autism.
Mental illness.
Tourism.

>>279910544
Mostly just 13-year-olds and Hispanics who makes up the vast majority of Demon Slayer's fanbase.

By contrast, I've seen a lot more Americans hate Zenitsu because they find him creepy and pathetic.

>>279910475
I never liked OP flashbacks, they ruin the pacing, nothing worse than when the story gets interesting and they go HERE'S YET ANOTHER SOB STORY WHERE A CHARACTER'S RELATIVE/FRIEND DIES/ SOME SORT OF SACRIFICE IS MADE

>>279907841 (OP)
Hype backlash. The manga is one of the most inoffensive things to come out in recent times that got elevated very fast on a global scale. It broke tons of records, trended worldwide, made boatloads of money which in turn raised a ton of expectations for it with new viewers. People went in expecting something grand and extraordinary that would justify this level of hype and a lot of people were left disappointed and confused.

Thats why you constantly get people asking why it's so popular? Why did it blow up when its story and characters are a dime a dozen? Why did this series become the juggernaut instead of x,y,z?

TLDR, people expected more from it based of its accolades.

>>279910584
Ive seen plenty of grown men of all races that have him as their goat too. Point is, I expected way more people to despise him in the west.

>>279907841 (OP)
I think you're inventing a strawman because it's extremely popular in the West. Is it $400 million at the box office popular? No, of course not. No anime is. But it's certainly among the most popular post big 3 shounen. I constantly see normalfags at the gym and outside in general with KnY merch.

If anything most of the hate I see for it comes from /a/ which is not indicative of the broader western fanbase. /a/ just hates things that get really popular, especially when they don't understand why it got so popular. I'm not even a big fan of it to be honest. I kind of forced myself to watch the anime just to see why it's so popular.

>>279910752
>Ive seen plenty of grown men of all races that have him as their goat too
Yeah, manchildren.

>>279910877
All anime fans are manchildren.

>>279907841 (OP)
It's the most generic shounen manga in existence.

Completely baffling the fact that is was so popular.

>>279909120
The people complainin about Kimetsu are animeonlys, they have never touched Vagabond.
>"B-bit, I did read it...."
Sure, you're a special butterfly contrarianfag

ENTER GODJIMA

>>279909244
>It really is too Japanese

Complete nonesense. It's too Chinese if anything.

It's your generic shounen/wuxia story. There's nothing for anybody who isn't a dumb teenager just getting into Asian fiction.

>>279910726
This is a really good answer IMO. And I think a lot of Demon Slayer's success has less to do with Demon Slayer itself as a standalone work and the manga's inherent quality and more to do with the elite-tier anime treatment from Ufotable to blow up, industry-wide collabs and Sony Music vouching for it. Aniplex is owned by Sony Music and Ufotable are close collaborators with Aniplex, they usually only ever so projects that's within Aniplex's interest, and despite the mediocre sales of the manga and Jujutsu Kaisen performing better pre-anime, it was picked by the chairman of Aniplex over Jujutsu Kaisen because he personally liked Demon Slayer.

Once it blew up (broke box office records, dominated streaming charts, briefly outsold One Piece), people expected the next genre-defining masterpiece. That’s the level of buzz it generated. And when they got a story with:
>cardboard characters
>copy-paste demons
>emotionally manipulative flashbacks
>surface-level themes
They were like "Wait, that’s it?" and they weren't wrong. It's not about the show being "bad", it's about the disconnect between what it is vs what it was sold as, and that's where backlash comes from.

It also really goes to show how far you can get with good marketing, even if your story is slop. There's a reason why the author makes no money from the anime and was only paid $10,000 for Mugen Train, and that $10,000 was a one-time thing only.

>>279910963
>It's too Chinese if anything.
>It's your generic shounen/wuxia story
How is this not Japanese?

>>279911049
>briefly outsold One Piece
Is this true that Oda raged about this and demanded SJ to reduce Tanjiro's presence in the SJ promotional art?

>>279911049
>>emotionally manipulative flashbacks
Story telling is inherently emotional manipulation as writers want to convey certain feelings to the readers.
>copy-paste demons
Literally never happen

>>279907841 (OP)
corny industry plant series, just like kagurabachi

>>279911098
It's a Chat GPT post regurgitating MAL reviews.

>>279907841 (OP)
Its popularity it's unseserved

>>279911212
That cant be, its not using annoying metaphors and x=y sentence formats.

either that or the idiot couldnt format his response properly and used chatgpt, hoping no one would notice.

>>279911049
Dont get me wrong, I love KnY despite its flaws since 2018 but its massive popularity does it a huge disservice. Even if people want to get into it bias free, they are going to look at it with a subconscious scrutiny more than anything else because of all the hype surrounding it. There will be this lingering sense of "ok impress me" in the back of people's heads. It happens all the time. Granted, there are people that do walk away from it very impressed and end up enjoying it. Im glad to have read it before the hype truly set it in.

Never watched Demon Slayer but I'm not a big fan of the MC design.
>>279909326
Is this adjusted for inflation?

It's genuinely just autism and terminal nerdiness

Like, why does Muichito develop the red blade in his last moment of life? Just an asspull right? But it's because it's supposed to be contrasted with how Kokushibo excuses his becoming a demon because he needed to preserve and further develop his godlike technique. A mutilated child that only lived to 14 surpasses him by seizing every moment he had. It's a contrasting parallelism.

But their autism has been trained not to think that way and they believe shonen battles need to be either """"smart"""" detective novel puzzles or cool guys don't look at explosions self-insert jerkoffs.

>>279911088
Thats just speculation after the 2019 oricon debacle.

Anyone here like the manga but hate the adaptation like me?

>>279911487
The adaptation is great but Ill never forgive them for fucking this up.

>>279907841 (OP)
I dislike the art. Its simultaneously generic and bad

>>279908083
Literal nigger take. By the looks of it, demonification is cured by not consuming human flesh and blood for an extended period of time. By not abandoning your humanity you revert back to one eventually (Muzan should've been locked in a cage 1000 years ago). Also the whole thing is based off of jiangshi vampire lore from China (blue spider lilly = "resurrection plant"). Imagine not knowing that shit when there are hundreds of films about it since the 80s. Hell, even the gooks from Korea took that as an inspiration for their Netflix zombie series.

>>279909398
This, I can agree with. Fucking annoying faggot. Zenitsu should've died or at least stopped being a bitch by after the Mugen Train arc.

>>279911487
The music is great but I don't like sitting through anime (or film) adaptations of anything much. You can always tell it's really meant for another medium.

>>279909741
>Vinland Saga
>A slow-burn, introspective anti-war epic.
It sucks. It's take on pacifism is gay as fuck. Dívčí válka did a better job at depicting that war is awful.

>>279911049
>There's a reason why the author makes no money from the anime and was only paid $10,000 for Mugen Train, and that $10,000 was a one-time thing only.
Source?

>>279912467
That is an AI post and most author don't make a much from the anime due to how right of a franchise work. THe gist is that the mangaka keep the manga sale money and a portion of the merchandise money (which is huge) but the publisher, the studio and the board of investor keep the profit from the anime. This vary a lot depend on each author contract.

>>279907841 (OP)
They don't, but for some reason it has become a trend to shit or meme on people who like it.

>>279911487
I haven't watched anything after the train arc. I just want to see Muzan vs Yoriichi animated.
In hindsight all the flashbacks to that time or any scenes with Yoriichi were the only parts i really enjoyed.

>>279912467
https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/features/2020/12/8/in-depth-demon-slayer-creator-reportedly-only-received-several-million-yen-from-mugen-trains-success

>>279912467
Mangaka get a pittance from adaptations and international sales. They get about a dollar in royalties per sold manga though, so Gotouge, Gege, Sorachi, etc. are all stinking rich anyway.

FUCK Muzan

>>279912938
Muzan definitely lets himself get gangbanged Legalporno-style on a daily basis in his Infinity Coom Castle.

>>279912516
>most author don't make a much from the anime due to how right of a franchise work
Not unless you're Oda who actually makes money from the anime, both by Toei and WIT Studio, because One Piece is Shueisha's golden goose so he has one of the best contracts a mangaka can get.

From the same article that explains why the Demon Slayer author gets paid peanuts:
>Hideaki Sorachi, the creator of Gintama, mentioned in Volume 51 that “regardless of how many people watch the film or how much the gross earnings are, not a single yen goes to the author. We are only paid an upfront license fee.” Sugimoto added that as a newer writer in Weekly Shonen Jump, Gotouge’s contract would likely not have any royalty payments built-in for the theatrical release of Demon Slayer.
>Mangaka get a pittance from adaptations and international sales.
No, they don't. Only a few big names or shrewd negotiators make money from anime, again Oda being the standout, do. Not even Toriyama makes much money from the Dragon Ball anime or even the merch because he signed the majority of rights over to Shueisha, so they earn the strong majority of profits from Dragon Ball as a property. Toriyama still got royalties and does character designs sometimes for both the anime and games, but he's no Oda. The creator owns the character and they get royalty payment based on collected tanks (where most of the money for mangaka come from) but the publisher (parent company) gets all the merch money. Mangaka only get paid for the manga itself unless you're a smart businessman with a credible reputation like Oda.

>>279907841 (OP)
Are we going to get leaks for the movie or will theaters have assassins in the shadows of every nip screening?

>>279913959
shitty phone cam in pocket leaks

>>279914003
>implying assassins wont be under every seat to lethally inject pocket phone leakers.

>>279913959
Anime is easy as fuck to pirate, more than other entertainment mediums. Hollywood movies has crazy anti-piracy protocols: watermarking, encrypted pre-release distribution, screenerd with embedded IDs, etc. With anime, you're lucky if a Japanese theater even gives a shit about camcorder policing. Secure is chill and some theaters are old school. Leaks are bound to happen.

>>279914108
there's too many foreigners in Japan now. the old leak wall was not based on hardcore enforcement, it was based on them asking the entire population of japan not to do it and they didn't.

Although maybe Elon made leak bannu on twitter work better, I dunno

>>279909601
Fullmetal Alchemist and Naruto.

>>279912938
Gladly

>>279913959
>movie
I Can't wait for more bollywood kino.

>>279916862
The worst part about this is that I know they were doing it to establish what wuxia killing intent looks like in cinematography, meaning it's going to be in the part of the second movie where it's just muichiro and kokushibo