Do you appreciate kuuderes?

just bad as tsun

Everything appealing about the kuudere is available from and improved on by the dandere. So I would say kuuderes are obsolete. I don't hate them, just think they're unnecessary.

>>279916121 (OP)
I prefer three dimensional characters with nuance and depth rather than superficial dating sim archetypes

Their unreactiveness during sex is kind of boring.

>>279916187
tsuns are fun

They are the best dere for the thinking man. Subtle with their emotive displays, predominantly revealing them through gestures and cryptic observations that the viewer is encouraged to analyse internally — "emotionless" girls aren't really emotionless; they just possess adept control over them. This means that, whenever they do display obvious affection, it's all that more significant.

>>279916121 (OP)
The best dere

Not really. Unless they change into a real dere at some point, they have the same problem as Tsun or any other one dimensional trope. They also just feel like weaker excuses for an already existing trope called deadpan. Which the big appeal of deadpan characters is they eventually break the trope and show emotion. A lot of kuudere's don't.

Martian Successor Nadesico was so boring I switched to the dub just to hear Shinji voicing not-shinji. Also they never should've killed Gai because he was the best character

>>279916121 (OP)
I like kuudere who are actually cool, and not just schizoid.

>>279916121 (OP)
Yes
>>279916735
Then make a guess and find out.

>>279916121 (OP)
best deres ever, what the fuck are other deres even doing?
>himecut kuudere
amazing
>himecut kuudere with a huge gun
DIAMONDS

>>279916121 (OP)
>do you appreciate dead fish
no

Why wife

My wife

>>279916121 (OP)
I can't think of anything worse than a kuudere

Why must they always suffer

>>279920342
They need a sob story to explain their personality, otherwise their just cold bitches for no reason.

>>279916735
no that's hot

>>279916425
nadesico predates the kuudere dating sim archetype

>>279916735
It's peak when they blush expressionless

>>279916735
You just don’t get it

>>279916121 (OP)

>>279920473
Tragic story is not necessary when kuudere is the tragic by itself. Tragic is that the hero fails to respond properly to natural laws and the downfall is inevitable. For kuudere the central tragic is their failure in responding equally and positively when receiving appreciation such as praises, admiration and thanks, choosing to downplay it and cut the celebration short unceremoniously. Similarly when receiving affection they respond with keeping the distance than reciprocate. This is the tragedy by itself.
One can be perfectly loved and cared for and still end up like this for 3 reasons: unaware, unable, or unwilling.
The unaware are not learned of these rules. Either they are not made aware by asking to paid attention to it. Social situation high or low can create the alienation and sheltering that causes social rules and practices being ommitted.
The unable are about being defective and unskilled. They are aware by now but it's still not happening. Things feel forced to say with a stone face and missed the right timing so it comes off worse. In the case of a robot, the module or software is defective or missing straight from the factory, perhaps medical conditions too for human.
Lastly the unwilling, blinded by ideas and perceptions that aren't true. one can believe in naively or later cope with ideas such as their superior performance is not that impressive and unworthy of praise when taking their roles and class too seriously; due to prior failure, even if the social skills has improved overtime, the correction is too much to make and the cold norm is better; the belief that it is better to escape and hide if their inadequacy can only do harm by association and in partnership.
Overtime these ideas mix with turmoils inside and outside and they began to detest the rule others. The feeling of inadequacy replace by unchecked superiority and the uncaring aloofness truly take root with growing hostility and resentment.

I don't like kuudere I like women to show emotion.

>>279924248
kuudere can be good when the premise is them showing emotions sometimes. This is what a lot of early kuudere characters did. The problem is, as with most tropes, the longer it goes on, the more extreme artists/authors push it. Until now you have kuudere's who never show emotion.

It's an acquired taste. For a long time I didn't see the appeal until stumbling across some particular girls that pulled it off well. There's plenty of good stuff under the emotionless_sex tag too.

>>279916121 (OP)
I love Ruri

>>279916121 (OP)
Was she really enough for nips to go crazy for this show? I was surprised when I watched it how meh it is. Nothing interesting happens in the whole series

Aside from just liking quiet, deadpan girls, I also like the need for interpretation. If you look at Yuki Nagato’s case for example, Kyon has to learn how to understand her feelings over the course of the story. And even in the most recent parts he questions whether he’s right about what she’s thinking.
And in the Disappearance arc you get the only definitive look into her head. You see her ideal world laid out, and it tells the story of her inner desires and frustrations, all without her saying a word.

>>279916121 (OP)
Are they even kuuderes if they never go dere?

>>279926576
The dere is inside. They love without saying anything.

>>279926576
Like with all these terms, it lost its meaning long ago. Ruri was the big one that doesn't even fit the term. And became the template from then on.

>>279916121 (OP)
Ruri is not really a kuudere in the modern sense. I always think of her like Daria, just snarky and deadpan and rather smug

is ruri's show worth watching? I heard the series went downhill after the bad movie or something

>>279926724
Series is fine, it was big in the 90s for a reason. The movie just feels halfbaked.

>>279926724
The series goes downhill after episode 3. But yes, the movie is even worse. They did everything they could to ruin the series, as if they didn't want it to continue. Then announced they had a whole cinematic universe planned with games, 6 movies and a bunch more TV seasons. Not a big shock some of these people went on to form GONZO.

>>279926608
That's not dere though, is it?

>>279926885
It’s only hidden. You have to find it.

>>279926969
That's the (x) in (x)dere. Dere is only hidden until a certain point and then it's outward affection, otherwise it isn't dere.

>>279916121 (OP)
I very much apprecaite my waifu, so yes.

>>279928544
>this mf
>>279916339
>doesn't think this is the most adorable thing in the world

>>279916121 (OP)
Yes bratty kuudere. That gets emotional when she is legitimately worried. The Trolldere.

dandere vs kuudere thoughts?