Thread 279940596

You need to WIN the game, killing everyone is not winning at mahjong.
There's one normal human judge you would have to fool, and one regular camera recording the game. The footage can be used to detect sleight of hand and it's pointed at the table and the tiles from top down.

Who wins and why?

>>279940596 (OP)
A friend of mine immediatly went "Kyouka Suigetsu", I win, but I feel like Lelouch would see Aizen reaching for a sword, and immediately Geass him, which would immediately tip off L and Light to how the Geass works.

>>279940711
Does it matter if they know how it works? I've never seen that show but can't he just make them lose anyway

>>279940739
No, that doesn't work. you need to have direct eye contact with the user of the Geass for it to work. I feel at the very least L would immediately catch that detail.

>>279940596 (OP)
even the author of DN mentioned that L was actually the smartest
so, considering he doesnt get extremely unlucky with the tiles, he should be the one coming on top I guess

>>279941051
Is he better than Lelouch? Lelouch actually has experience gambling. At the very least chess.

>>279941137
L could pick anything that involves strategy and become super good a it
a prequel oneshot showed that before solving crimes, L used his time to analyze the market and invest on it (that's how he got giga rich)

>>279940596 (OP)
If we operate on pure intellect I think Lelouch and L are the two most likely to win. Lelouch is just shown to be better at game theory and will have the most likelyhood of reading everyone else as the rounds progress. L likewise is also really good at reading people and without the need to get a conviction he'll be able to tell what other's hands look like. Aizen and Light both get carried by their respective powers so I doubt they could win without using them.

If powers are on the table then Aizen will win the second he uses his Shikai. He's much faster on the draw than Lelouch and Light with his scrap paper in his watch.

>>279940596 (OP)
Lelouch can just Geass the rest to lose.

>>279941321
You think he would be a fast draw against some chickenshit humans? I don't think so, he would prance and flaunt and do it slowly and theatrically, just to flex. His hubris would bite him in the ass.

I also feel it comes to L and Lelouch.

It could also come to whom is the better cheater without using powers
remember that L admitted he's willing to play dirty in order to win because he hates losing

>>279941522
>You think he would be a fast draw against some chickenshit humans?
I assume everyone has been told that their opponents are the smartest around. And for all his hubris, Aizen still made sure to hypnotize pretty much everyone around him even if he didn't think they were actual threats to him.

>>279941617
It's vastly harder to cheat in Mahjong if you are playing by yourself. There's a reason why most media that covers cheating has the players working with a partner to signal tiles or pass them around. I don't think any of these players would be able to pull off convincing cheats without powers.

>>279941617
Oor, are Aizen's powers good and fast enough to cheat the dudes and the camera with shunpo type shit.

>>279941051
I think he said that for plot reasons L had to be the smartest character, but I don't understand why in that guidebook he gave L like an 8/10 in intelligence, lower than Light and Near, although I heard that was a mistranslation and should have been knowledge (of the Death Note) or something. Which if it was, that's a dumb stat to measure.

>>279941724
I think he would hear the world "smartest people around" extrapolate to "humans" sense no reiatsu whatstoever, and immediately underestimate the opposition.

>>279941724
What if they team up

>>279940596 (OP)
this guy

>>279940596 (OP)
L would determine that Light is Kira and Lelouche is Zero based on their discards, then they'd panic and forfeit, ending the game prematurely. Don't know or care about the guy from Bleach.

>>279940596 (OP)
Who's the luckiest?

>>279940596 (OP)
>Lelouch is losing
>flips over board and declares himself as the winner, master of his own destiny and leaves
>remaining players set pieces again
>light decides to that the ultimate humiliation for L would be if aizen won
>L thinks the same
>in the end Aizen is victorious
>Laughs and said he planned this from the very beginning (he has no idea how to play mahjong and was making random moves)

I have never watched bleach and I don't know the rules of mahjong either.

>>279940596 (OP)
Where Ayanokoji?

>>279948268
No clue who that is.

Couldn't Lelouch just order the others to deal in?

>>279940596 (OP)
Kira wins, you just kill everyone at the table

EOS Aizen doesn't need his sword, he wins

>>279948268
He's the one who set up the mahjong game behind the scenes.

>>279940596 (OP)
>who wins
this girl, since you can't stop TENHOU.
Plus, she's hungry and needs a new taco, so time is short, Bye bye!
>>279948912
Senpai!

>>279948702
Retard. Even if it wasn't sated right fucking there, people dying at the table would just have the game canceled it wouldn't win Light the game.And even if that was the case Aizen can't be killed by the death note.

>>279946483
I love Akagi

>>279950324
>Even if it wasn't sated right fucking there,
wrong
>people dying at the table would just have the game canceled
wrong
>it wouldn't win Light the game
wrong
>Aizen can't be killed by the death note
wrong
have you even played mahjong?

>>279950324
Not him (that guy is retarded), but what if he wrote on the Death Note
>"they let me win and then die right after the game"
?
If he knew his opponents before he could even do it before the game even started.

>>279951634
>that guy is retarded
wrong

>>279940596 (OP)
Aizen, because he's the guy who is most likely to know how to play mahjong at a level of "old fart in some courtyard".

>>279940596 (OP)
Light and Lelouch suck at mahjong, because a central aspect of the game is killing your ego and folding, even when things look in your favor. Mahjong is not a game about intellect at the mid to high level, but a game about suffering. It is that simple, if you are good at mahjong and you still play, you hate yourself.
L is similarly out, because he also doesn't know how to lose.

Therefore, Aizen wins, because Aizen is well versed in letting his ego go.

>>279953344
>Mahjong is not a game about intellect at the mid to high level, but a game about suffering
Nailed it

>>279940596 (OP)
What stops me from yelling RON! and winning?

>>279940596 (OP)
Terrible picks, two people from the same series and then someone who isnt really even that smart and his power needs his sword.

>>279940596 (OP)
Akagi wins 3 of them working together against him at once and never deals in

>>279953811
you'll chombo and lose.
First one is a mangan payout, second one is a DQ and round end.

>>279940596 (OP)
can lelouch just command them to fold and play into his hands?

>>279953893
These are the people shonentards consider “smart”.

You need to kill yourself to win.

>>279947360
outskilled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk54hP6emJI

>>279954541
Might as well just line them up with naruto and jojo characters.

>>279940596 (OP)
everybody loses in majong, nobody enjoys it

Koizumi clears

>>279955094
TIL that Akagi is actually fantasy

>>279957094
It's about the philosophy of mahjong applied to life more than the game itself

>>279957094
Akagi is fundamentally a horror manga and it's what makes it work.

>>279957094
Yes, for example you have gods surround the table.

>>279957849
Is it though? I don't subscribe to the "Washizu is actually the main character and Akagi the villain!" meme, if you actually read it again you'll notice Akagi is often the underdog and walking down dangerous paths

>>279949873
>loses in south round
better luck next time, LOSER

>>279940596 (OP)
Akagi

>>279950324
>what is winning by forfeit/disqualification

>>279940596 (OP)
Would this be the ultimate braincrack roster?

>>279941321
Lelouch only dominates in games of pure skill. The moment chance comes into the picture, it falls apart because his Luck stat is in the negatives.

>>279961630
cut that out, will yah

>>279940596 (OP)
Ayanokoji solos

>>279940711
>I feel like Lelouch would see Aizen reaching for a sword, and immediately Geass him
Aizen is a grown man wearing a kimono and carrying around a katana.
I think that Lelouch would suspect him being an autist who stims by pulling his katana out of the sheath before thinking that he's somehow cheating with a sword.
That said, I don't know the rules of mahjong well enough to know if it would help him cheat. Like, wouldn't the other players know their tiles have been changed and suspect foul play?

>>279940596 (OP)
Aizen mainly he deceives and manipulates but it's not as important in a board game as prediction. Light and L are okay but Lelouche is ridicolous, he predicted an entire conversation and prerecorded it to trick Schneizel for once. He also pulled an Itachi and succeeded and a lot of other stuff, this is mostly not counting on his power because it's a trump card.

>>279940596 (OP)
being smart it's not enough to win at mahjong, luck it's way more important. I think Light is the luckiest motherfucker on that table

>>279940596 (OP)
Akagi, Akiyama, Arisu and Baku would mop the floor with these brainlets. Next

>>279940596 (OP)
Without prep time they lose to L.

>>279940711
iirc lelouch doesn't need to do the whole dramatic LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA COMMANDS YOU spiel every time, he can just go "hey dude come on no need to reach for your sword"

>>279940711
The issue with that is Aizen can activate Kyouka Suigetsu without the target knowing because all someone has to do is see the sword to fall under hypnosis, and Aizen doesn’t have any reason to divulge that information. It’s not a matter of intelligence at all.

>>279940596 (OP)
>lelouch coughs audibly
>everyone looks at him
>"You should let me win this one"
>wins
seems easy enough to me

>>279940596 (OP)
If powers are on, I don’t see how Aizen could possibly lose, even if his name was written in the death note- he’s already a spirit so presumably it wouldn’t work, and there’s a good chance the difference in reishi would prevent him from being geassed.
If powers are off, Aizen and Light demonstrated that they are clearly more impulsive and worse planners/improvisers than L and Lelouch so probably one of them. I’d take Lelouch since I think he’s luckier than the others.
>>279940711
Aizen is magnitudes faster than the others he could place them under the spell before they even realized

>>279941742
Aizen doesn't need to cheat the cameras, the actions he has to take to use his ability wouldn't be considered cheating in mahjong, though perhaps a little threatening, and once it's active the other players would simply play improbably poorly, entirely of their own accord as far as anyone watching is concerned.

>>279940596 (OP)
I don't get Mahjong.

>>279940596 (OP)
Dependa on who's faster Aizen with Kyoka Suigetsu or Lelouch with the geass, I would say the geass is faster, but Aizen in character would be the first to use his power to cheat.

OP's picture aside, would Atem's power allow him to draw whatever mahjong pieces he needed just like cards?

>>279940711
fpbp

>>279940596 (OP)
Lelu. He's the only one that truly changed the world and completed all his goals.

>L didn't.
>Light didn't really.
>Charizen can't even stand.
Might as well add chucken there too then.

>>279969289
Atem isn't really fair to OP's question since we're debating intelligence, strategy, and skill rather than Atem's bogus cheatin- """"""luck"""""".

If you want to compare atem then you should put him with Hamazura from Toaru, Kazuma from Konosuba, or Makoto Itou.

>>279969467
Atem is also incredibly skilled and smart in games, he's capable, while rolling two dice to hit the table so one of them hit the other to keep it rolling every time it's going to stop on the wrong number.

>>279969289
It would in Washizu mahjong at least

>>279969051
Yeah, though I'm just now realizing that if Aizen can't see their tiles, he can't give them the proper illusion. Aizen would be able to fool the judge, but the camera would see him getting out of his seat to look at the hands if he wasn't using Shunpo to do it. He might be fast enough to get past even a high speed camera. The only problem is if Lelouch's geass would allow him to escape the illusion and if Ryuk would inform Light on any illusion use in manipulating the tiles.

>>279957094
Every game he's in is torture
Playing mahjong is PAIN
Akagi is an allegory

>>279940596 (OP)
Lelouch, probably, since not only his is ability the easiest to activate, but also he would have the most experience and skill in gambling.
I think it'd be a more even match between L light and Aizen if the use of powers was completely restricted.

>>279940596 (OP)
>Who wins and why?
Depends on the bakyou.

>>279940596 (OP)
4 retards created by nerd retards that think this is how smart people are

>>279962459
>it falls apart because his Luck stat is in the negatives.
Lelouch arguably has some of the biggest bullshit luck moments of the 4 characters here. Specifically whenever Rolo comes out of nowhere to save his ass from certain defeat. Not that I'm expecting Rolo to intervene here, but in a game of Mahjong I think Lelouch is smart enough to handle most things save his opponent winning with a Tsumo (self drawn winning tile) as he shouldn't be dealing into anyone and he's still very good at reading others and counting tiles should be basic feats for everyone in this game.

>>279940596 (OP)

Rurushu. He makes CC participate instead of him disguised as Zero while he is actually on another room watching the match through the camera and giving instructions.

Also since probably everyone tried to manipulate the judge before even assembling to play the match Rurush victory is even more certain. After a certain amount of time, and once everyone is certain the judge is in their pocket, he has Rollo stop time and replace him with Sayoko in disguise.

L is probably not even in the room either and finding him would most likely prove impossible. He would see Rollo switching the judge for Sayoko unless the camera feed was temporary tampered.

Imagine this but they're all simultaneously receiving a blowjob

>>279974019
Nta, but thanks to his geass Rolo could actually cheat for Lelouch.

>>279975606
Since a camera is present. Rolo's cheating wouldn't really work since it only stops living people's perception of time.

>>279969289
>switches minds with Yugi to evade kyoka sougetsu
>activates the maze

>>279976246
Could Rolo position himself so he only freezes the player whose turn it is so they get a slow play penalty?

>>279978365
Depends on what the timer is set too. Since Rolo's heart also stops he'd have to either incrementally cause a players timer to run down, or do it all in one go which might mean surviving 30 seconds. But that route has the hardest chances of being detected since he doesn't have to walk on camera to do it so no obvious cheating could be invoked.

>>279940596 (OP)
>aizen casts a hado spell without incantation and before any of them can process what he's doing
>they're locked in place by the binding spell
>he makes them see kyouka suigetsu
>aizen wins, nothing they see is real from that point, they're not even sitting at the table
there is literally nothing they can do, the moment aizen steps into the room they've lost

>>279978636
Maybe stop time just as they're drawing a tile so their arm falls on the table and flips over the tiles in the dead wall. Should be enough to get the reverse mangan chombo.

>>279980401
If Aizen only cared about making them forfeit, I guess that would work. However, I feel like Aizen would want to at least honor the spirit of the game and prove his intellectual superiority. Instead of thinking about who would use the most bullshit to force a win, let's instead think about what kind of hand structures most of them would go for.

>Aizen
I feel like he would try for simple hands. He's someone that works from the shadows a lot, never having to over do it and letting things fall into place. So he wouldn't go for overly big and flashy hands. He's going Tanyou Pinfu and if he just happens to land into something like San Ankou, then he will let the tiles come.

>Light
He is someone that is definitely going to force a big hand, his arrogance in believing that luck is always on his side, so he will get the draws is how he would operate. He is always thinking of the point difference and what hand he would need to get enough Han to make up the difference. Very likely to deal in by over thinking discards and getting caught in a logic trap.

>L
He's going to tailor his hand based on what Light is discarding, either to try to catch his discards or to avoid dealing in. He would probably dismantle a good hand just because Light threw out an Honor tile right after a Bamboo. Most of the time this would actually save him. L loves the meme hands, so things like Nageshi Mangan, Chitoitsu, Rinshan Kaihou.

>Lelouch
Very good at reading discards, he is not going to have much trouble forming much of anything. Wildly swings between small and big hands. The one that is always calling others discards for things like three color straight, but also for all triplets, especially if he can have all of the same number triplet. Lelouch is the kind of person that lets the other players work for him.

>>279949873
>Get two tenhous
>Still jobs

>>279981809
Thorough and accurate analysis, especially L's meme hands

>>279969289
Yes. Atem is functionally unbeatable in games of chance.

this is the best thread I've seen in a long while, thanks anons