Do you agree or disagree with the following opinions:

>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming. People just shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.

>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980s and Millennials who didn't think it became mainstream until the mid or late 90s are completely ahistorical and know nothing outside their own sheltered little bubble.

>Moe fans are irreparably broken people that want a girlfriend who's simultaneously a mentally challenged, passive, subservient daughter.

>One Piece fans are all lonely manchildren that cling to One Piece's overwrought depictions of friendship because they know nothing about the real world.

1 - I agree.
2 - I don't know.
3 & 4 - Generalizations. I disagree.

>>279941666 (OP)
I agree with the first point, can't say anything about your other points.

>>279941666 (OP)
>>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming
>Needing to physically exchange items with other people likely in person is not that much more convenient than pressing a couple of buttons
????

1. disagree - got scammed several times on icq, usually bad subs or outright the wrong thing. 90% of the time it was fine or just slightly disappointing. made a few friends I still talk to occasionally.

2. disagree - there's levels to being "mainstream", so i guess it depends on your definition. it was not a multimillion dollar enterprise until the 90s.

3. Not sure, but they certainly are making their lives really hard by not trying to get out and make friends.

4. I don't think that's true, but the biggest percentage of readers are 25-45 iirc so they must have learned something along the way.

>>279941666 (OP)
>>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming. People just shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.
Going to the library to look up information in a book is not that much more inconvenient than a Google search. People shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.

>>279941666 (OP)
So what anime do you like? MHA?

>>279941666 (OP)
>>One Piece fans are all lonely manchildren that cling to One Piece's overwrought depictions of friendship because they know nothing about the real world.
Wrong. They are all obese Portuguese children.

>>279941666 (OP)
>>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming. People just shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.
>not much more inconvenient
>get up
>put on clothes
> grab your tapes
>get in the car, which is baking or freezing for half the year
>drive to post office
>hope there's no line
>fill out paper form with a pencil, like an animal
>pay for packaging
>you need a larger box
>pay for box
>pay for packaging tape
>wrestle with packaging tape in the corner for what feels like an embarrassing amount of time
>finally have your package ready
>pay shipping
>package gets delivered some days later
>go back home
>not that much more inconvenient
vs
>click link
>take a piss
>anime ready to watch
>not that much more inconvenient
>not that much more inconvenient
>not that much more inconvenient
fuck you

>>279941666 (OP)
>>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming. People just shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.
As someone who actually did this and distributed a lot, this is very, very false. Laughably false. I don't even know where to start. I'll just give you two scenarios I dealt with personally:
1. One thing that people who have never dealt with tapes a lot misjudge is how inconvenient it was to keep track of your current progress in a series. If you were actually copying tapes, you couldn't just push stop and pick up later, since the tape would either be at the end or rewound if you actually copied it for someone else. You had to either remember your progress or scan through a tape to find it. And God help you if the sub group just paused for a few months on a series, as was common.
2. They were physically difficult to deal with and costly, starting with the buying (TDK, Fuji, or Maxell Gold here, no cheap brands like RCA except in a pinch). What does a modern streaming sub cost -- like $12/month? In late 90s, that inflated money (about $6 then) would get you one good 3-or-4 pack of decent blank tapes. So 12 or 16 episodes, unless you wanted to go cheap and record in EP mode.
And then you had to pack and pay to get them to their recipient. Sometimes this worked well -- sometimes it didn't. I cannot tell you the absolute visceral pain I felt when I finally received my Escaflowne SVHS masters from UPS and they were literally crushed. I mean the tire marks were still on the package.
I could go on. So yes, pushing a few buttons is actually much more convenient.

>>279946693
>they were literally crushed. I mean the tire marks were still on the package.
What the fuck, were you compensated or something?

>>279946839
Had to file a written complaint, take pictures (and get them developed), send it in by certified mail, etc., etc. It took months to resolve, but eventually they gave me the value of the blank tapes (a good SVHS tape then would be about $12-15 in current money, and the show took 7 tapes, so it was right at the maximum for a shipment without extra insurance added on.)

>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980s

How old are you????
Holy fuck.
That can't be more divorced from reality.

>>279946693
These actually aren't my opinions I'm just quoting all four of those things from a guy in his 40s.

>>279941666 (OP)
You obviously grew up in an urban area, probably one of the big metropolitan centers.

>>279941666 (OP)
1. Hilariously wrong as it ignores tape degradation and other issues that came with tape trading. Also >streaming
2. Wrong, it was the popularity in the 70s which led to the localizations in the 80s.
Go be a newfag datamining elsewhere.

>>279941666 (OP)
No, downloading an episode in a minute is much more convenient
Don't care about the US
Sure, I don't care for what they want.
Maybe, who cares.
OP (not the anime) is gay.

>>279941666 (OP)
1. No.
2. I'm a filthy eurofag, no idea, anime has been rather popular here for a while, however (even if it wasn't recognized as such).
3. No.
4. No.

>>279947530
The only anime that were mainstream in the 90s were Dragonball Z and Pokemon, then Naruto blew up the scene. Before that no normies or older people knew anime even existed as a genre, afterwards there was at least some degree of widespread cultural diffusion and commercial penetration

>>279947920
He says that Akira in 1989 is the moment anime inarguably became mainstream

>>279941666 (OP)
Hate to break it to you Satan, but moefags would get that if they just looked for a college aged girlfriend. Here I'll give you an example of just how mentally retarded my friend group of girls were
>One was constantly paranoid that I was trying to fuck every other girl in the group when we were exclusive friends with benefits. Including one incident where she sent me a text about how she can't stop thinking of me and friend B fucking and how she's crying
>Mind you, this was in about two minutes after I left her room, let her know I'd be back after walking the friend B to her room
>Two minutes
>Friend B is an alcoholic who can't help but run into scumbags
>Once texted me complaining about how love is impossible after spending her night talking to a guy who date raped a year prior and being pissed that he was engaged
>Wil constantly avoid confrontation or plans with friends unless drunk. Then it's 50/50
>One girl was an attention seeker, who at one point was sobbing because "the queen of England died" (we're burgers)
>Had a thing where she "age regressed"
>Last one was just bipolar. Would just get pissed at the drop of a hat and not talk to anyone for the whole day. Could be over anything
Maybe it's just art hoes, but even my long term relationships were with basically children in adults bodies. If moefags want a retard girlfriend, they're in luck, because they are in colleges everywhere

>>279947920
-and- sailor moon, even though no one wanted to admit it.

>>279941666 (OP)
>>279944709
anime isn't mainstream now. video games are mainstream. anime isn't on that level yet.

>>279941666 (OP)
3 - some, but not all of them.

>>279941666 (OP)
Lot of people didn't even exchange tapes unless they were really in the know and just bought official shit or watches what was on TV. You think some guy in like fucking Oklahoma or Kansas was able to exchange tapes? Not likely. >Anime became mainstream on the 80's
The same decade tapes were normal part of life? Barely anyone had a fucking VCR in the late 70's and no one was recording and fansubbing shit the tech wasn't there retard also how would they even know those shows? There was barely any anime in the 70's and they marketed it as regular cartoons, the separation didn't come till the late 80's but anime got didn't get mainstream till Toonami.

>>279941666 (OP)
I disagree with 4, but more because I feel like One Piece is showing what it is like to have friends who won't abandon you despite impossible odds. Knowing nothing about the world is a little silly, but we can say that world setting aside One Piece is about camaraderie and grand adventure.
1 is crazy to claim slightly more inconvenient. Introversion is an issue post Budweiser Bacteria, but there's a reason why modern day information transference isn't still done on pen and paper

>>279941666 (OP)
>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980s
-someone born in the 2010s

>>279941666 (OP)
>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming.
No. Not even close. I would rather go back to downloading hardsubbed flvs overnight on DSL than tapeswapping.
>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980s and Millennials who didn't think it became mainstream until the mid or late 90s are completely ahistorical and know nothing outside their own sheltered little bubble.
No, this is just wrong. Akira, Robotech and Transformers were good despite being Japanese. Sailor Moon and Pokemon were first shows to be good because they were Japanese. Even up until DBZ got big in the early 2000's Japanese cartoons were mostly still considered inferior pulpy knock offs of western cartoons.

>>279941666 (OP)
1. obviously not.
2. I don't think so.
3. mostly correct
4. IDK I haven't watched one piece nor talked to its fans.

>>279943335
>likely in person
The tapes were mailled. Yeah, shipping is a bitch, but so is paying $15/month for one show you like.

>>279941666 (OP)
I don't even like streaming, but #1 is just mental for so many reasons, including that you can simply cut out the middleman and download anime directly from Usenet.

9 year old me couldn't afford the shipping costs. I also didn't know how to use usenet at all, everything I interacted with were bbs.
The only fansubs I could get were the ones I could afford to rent and so I was stuck with whatever the local university guys felt like stocking. Didn't like Urusei Yatsura? Too bad.
There was literally more selection by the late 90s via the officially licensed guys than the fansub guys.

>>279949350
>Lot of people didn't even exchange tapes unless they were really in the know and just bought official shit or watches what was on TV. You think some guy in like fucking Oklahoma or Kansas was able to exchange tapes?
If I recall correctly, it was a Hawaiian fansub group that originally popularized digisubs and IRC/FTP distro since trying to trade tapes with people on the mainland would have been a logistical headache for them.
OP seems like the type of dumb normalfag who thinks food comes from the grocery store.

>>279941666 (OP)
1. Are you fucking insane? It takes 5 minutes tops to get something... ANYTHING... off streaming. How long did it take to find someone? Actually go meat them, then come back?

2. No fucking clue, I'm not from Burgerland.

3. That's a dumb generalization. While true for some, most just like cute things. It really is that simple.

4. Another dumb generalization.

You're a moron.

>>279941666 (OP)
>>Moe fans are irreparably broken people that want a girlfriend who's simultaneously a mentally challenged, passive, subservient daughter.
>>One Piece fans are all lonely manchildren that cling to One Piece's overwrought depictions of friendship because they know nothing about the real world.
Trips of truth.

>>279948607
Not be rude mate, but even if those women indeed sound like lunatics they wouldn't even look twice at moefags. And that's supposing moefags haven't gone off the deep end and aren't actively wishing to become girls.

>>279955541
Huh?

>>279941666 (OP)
>>279942775
>>279943217
This is the most retarded shit, I've seen fuck this stupid board, not even reading the rest of the op post not even reading the rest of the thread. You've lost your minds in an attempt to be contrarian to common sense

>>279941666 (OP)
DAILY REMINDER THAT JIM CORNETTE IS A CLOSETED WEAB

>>279959182
Please explain, anon. Your opinion is one worth respecting.

>>279941666 (OP)
>mentally challenged, passive, subservient daughter
you just described the perfect woman for 99.99999% of human history until they were given power by men

>>279959288
JIM CORNETTE HAS BEEN COSPLAYING AS LUPIN III SINCE THE 80S

>>279955458

They had an entire channel putting subs on anime back in the day in hawaii.

>>279955509

Find me the original broadcast version of something on a streaming site.

>>279955509
Okay but why are you mad and being mean?

>>279956153
You'd be surprised, but maybe you're right. Trannies aside, I would say the girls, though cute in their own ways (maybe I was just horny) most of the dudes they talked to were some ugly ass motherfuckers. I think my buddy said it best when he said that girls in college will be with guys who have no business talking to them and to his credit he was right.

>>279953217

He isnt wrong.
There were both subbed and dubbed anime airing on regular television/cable and in stores on vhs and laserdisc(and god knows what else) thru the 80s.
You had official magazines and a billion fanzines and newsletters.
What isnt mainstream here?

>>279960588
Stfu

>>279941666 (OP)
>be mad
>are you not mad yet?
>how about now?
>please be mad
I don't really understand why you're doing this but i hope you get something positive out of it.

>>279941666 (OP)
3 is 100% correct.

>>279941666 (OP)
>Moe fans are irreparably broken people that want a girlfriend who's simultaneously a mentally challenged, passive, subservient daughter.
As opposed to failed normalfags such as yourself, who know better and would rather have a masculine, nagging, unfaithful hag by their side.

>>279953600
Having to wait for shit to get delivered to your house compared to just looking up a show you want to watch and instantly watching it is absolutely much more inconvenient. What the fuck are you even talking about

>>279941666 (OP)
Moefags into femdom are absolutely a thing.

>>279941666 (OP)
I never traded vhs tapes online but a forum I used had a CD swap where you would send each other mix CDs. It was kinda fun

>>279960474
Because I'm at work.

>>279960306
Why the fuck would I WANT that? Unless is DB. And that only for the audio. Which is available now.

>>279941666 (OP)
tape trading is closer to joining a private tracker with steep sharing requirements than it is to streaming. plus if you adjust the cost of shipping and blank tapes for inflation it dwarfs a streaming subscription

>>279955509
>Actually go meat them

>>279947651
I know a few Gen X weebs who talk like anime was "normal" in the 80s/90s because they were blessed enough to live in a weeaboo bubble in New York. For whatever reason they can't understand that it truly wasn't socially acceptable across the US to like anime until the 2010s. Yeah Sailor Moon/DBZ helped kids in the 90s get into anime but it was still a gay hobby for faggots all the way through the 00s.
>>279963728
I chose the third option (fujoshi wife).

>>279945273
Lotta drama in fansub circles too:
http://www.cornponeflicks.org/editorial2.html

>>279947920
>The only anime that were mainstream in the 90s were Dragonball Z and Pokemon, then Naruto blew up the scene. Before that no normies or older people knew anime even existed as a genre

Astroboy
Speed Racer
Battle of the Planets
Star Blazers
Robotech

All were very popular anime in the 70s and 80s before the shows you mention with mainstream appeal

>>279966881
Those gen x losers probably watched 50 anime total lol.

>>279941666 (OP)
>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980
It started going mainstream in 2016, you braindead fucking retard, and it solidified in 2020.

>>279967583
Pretty sure he's trolling. I think it's the same retard that said 30 percent of high schoolers in the US watched haruhi in 2006. That would have made it bigger than nba or mlb to young people back then.

Dubbed westernized localisation doesn't count

>>279967583
Define mainstream, I mean shows like Astroboy and Speed Racer were known by millions of kids here in the 60s, but they had no clue about the foreign origins or the word "anime". So anime "as anime" was a later thing indeed in the "known by normies as a jap products" sense.

>>279967583
Why 2016 in particular?
Shingeki no Kyojin was a huge thing even in 2014.

>>279967605
Maybe like 0.01% of US high schoolers knew what Haruhi even is back then. And even modern anime "fans" don't know what Haruhi is, because 80% of them only watch the latest, seasonal slop.

>>279967681
I thought they only watched battle shonen lol

>>279967664
English dictionary can definy it for you, retard.
1-5 shows airing on TV back then does not count for anime being mainstream, or said cattle being anime fans.
>>279967674
Elections caused a massive flood of retards who never used internet before. Everything was new to them and they quickly started poisoning and ruining everything they touch.
>Shingeki no Kyojin was a huge thing even in 2014.
I watched it ongoing, it was huge in Japan, but nobody gave a fuck about it in US as much as in 2016 and onwards.

>>279967761
>Elections caused a massive flood of retards who never used internet before. Everything was new to them and they quickly started poisoning and ruining everything they touch.
???
I think everyone used the internet long before 2016

>>279967761
>Elections caused a massive flood of retards who never used internet before
That sounds like nonsense. 4chan was badly affected because retards advertised it as a safe space on sites like Reddit or Facebook. It may have caused seismic shifts and massive upheavals here but as far as the US population is affected it was a minor thing.

>>279967803
From your perspective, not in reality.
In 2003 I also felt like everybody aside from my parents used internet, but it hardly had any users compared to today.

>>279967830
>I never visit anything aside from 4chan and got no clue how internet was affected as a whole
Opinion discarded.

>>279967843
Most civilized people were online when smartphones started showing up in the early 2010s. After that it's just Indians and the like.

>>279967761
>English dictionary can definy it for you, retard.
Put the crack pipe down homo and quit being so emo over fucking cartoons for children. By any definition, something seen by millions is pretty fucking mainstream and you should be glad I humored you as much as I did. And it was the fucking 1960s when Astroboy and Speed Racer aired - the Japs themselves had little more than "8 Man", Gigantor, and those shows so I guess they were not "mainstream" audience by your definition either.

>>279967898
Those shows pulled 30%+ viewers in Japan.
Did they manage anywhere close in the US?

>>279967887
A lot of people wasn't online in 2010, even if cattle had internet, they hardly used it, clownish elections gave them a lot of iniciative to start doing it.

>>279967898
Now look up the meaning of the word and stop being a braindead moron.
It wasn't mainstream.

>>279967214
And here is a fascinating time capsule of the degree of autism found in fansub groups, still up and operational in a zombie sense - they actually resumed work on "Dear Brother" Oniisama e in recent times just to finish their early 90s project from the VHS days, even with it already subbed commercially. Lots of history.

http://www.technogirls.org/barbara/anime/tapelist.htm

>>279967934
>iniciative
>lot of people wasn't
What state are you from?

>>279967934
The late 2000s is where the internet went fully mainstream in the sense of going from a helpful utility like a phonebook to a constant source of entertainment like television; social media and Youtube were the triggers.

>>279941666 (OP)
No
No
Depends
No

Some one piece fans are seven years old. You sound like a manchild.

>>279941666 (OP)
Hey Satan.

1, Agree

2, Agree

3, Is this just bait?

4, Yeah, this is just bait.

I actually remember seeing Voltron and Robotech as like a 5 year old circa 1985 and knew they looked "different" somehow and could recognize shows like Heathcliff and Real Ghostbusters that farmed out animation to Japan as having a similar look. Got into anime as such from 1994 on when a bizarre satellite network was rebroadcast on UHF by me that showed everything from Dirty Pair to Golgo 13, called it "Japanimation - the ultimate in alternative animation" (fucking alternative, so 90s). Then SciFi channel had anime movie weeks in the 90s and their legendary "Saturday Anime" block throughout the 90s - so indeed anime was not relegated to underground fansubs and was out their on cable and the airwaves as anime at that time but pretty obscure.

>>279968117

Dubbed doesn't count though lol. Everyone watched dbz in the 90s. I bet every single one of those had their music stripped. Names changed. And made palatable to western audiences.

>>279968146
Even today most US viewers watch dubs.

>>279968180
Exactly, subs are a real turn off for normies still and was trying to show someone Urusei Yatsura and the subs drove them nuts and there is no dub. The crux of this whole inane "mainstream" argument is apparently normie acceptance and normies still prefer dubs every fucking time.

>>279968180
I don't watch modern dubs but the ones back then had a ton of censorship. Didn't they basically make Macross 3 different shows?

>>279968225
Other way around, they combined Macross with Mospeada and Southern Cross and heavily rewrote those to fit into Macross' setting. Removing Jeanne's countless shower scenes was the least invasive part, they had to remove a second moon in order to let the series take place on Earth.

>>279941666 (OP)
Weird bait you got going here, Satan.

>>279968291
Exactly. Old dubs don't count. They aren't slightly butchered they basically rewrite the entire series. I'm sure there were tons of name changes. Music edits. Etc etc etc

>>279968325

Star Blazers, from 1979, was a very faithful adaptation of Yamato at least. There was strict censorship from networks at the time but they kept more that those other examples and didn't change the story much at all.

>>279968325
It depends on the series.
Name changing still happens in certain shows like Pocket Monsters, typically to confirm with game localization where it's still the norm. But around 2000 you had a lot of shows without major changes.

>>279967583
Are you old enough to be on this site? Or are you conflating the mainstreaming of modern weeaboo activity with the overall mainstreaming of anime?

Or do you think normalfag Boomers suddenly getting really into Kimetsu no Yaiba during the height of the coof is the terminal point, instead of a symptom of anime being around in the Western consciousness for a generation?

>>279968400
>>279968403

But did they keep the Japanese names? Music etc? Yeah from around 2000 you were getting a semi-Japanese experience. Those are important too.

>>279968424
>Are you old enough to be on this site? Or are you conflating the mainstreaming of modern weeaboo activity with the overall mainstreaming of anime?
Hmmm.....>>279968478
Yep that appears to be the case.

>>279968506

Two different guys. I do remember hearing anisongs from 8th MS Gundam and Kenshin in early 2000s on toonami. That's definitely better than the shitty dbz music we got.

>>279941666 (OP)
Wrong. I'm a millennial around moot's age and anime was niche until at least 2010 or so.

>>279968478
Does this answer your question?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz263xIQmvo

>>279968566
So theme song in English. Like I said. Doesn't count lol.

>>279941666 (OP)
>literally going to a post office to send physical goods is not much more inconvenient than typing pirateanimestreamingwebsite.com onto a browser
are you a fucking dunce?

>>279968583
It's an English version of the Japanese song.
You are familiar with the Yamato OP, right?

>>279968622
It's in English bro. Doesn't count. They even changed the characters names. Doesn't count. It doesn't count unless it's as Japanese as possible.

>>279968652
So dubs in general don't count?

>>279968671

Unless you have Dylsexia or simply are blinded by subs, I have no sympathy for dub fansm

>>279968684
What are you even trying to argue about?

>>279968709
Dubbed anime doesn't count. It's not hard. Obviously there's levels to elitism and raw anime is the best experience

But dubbed anime is not anime. It's a mockery.

>>279968738
So the whole debate whether anime is mainstream is moot if we don't consider dubs since subs are still niche in America.

>>279968760
They are? Well I watched Haruhi in 2006.

And my first subbed experience might have been naruto on YT in late 2005. But I always had a thing for anisongs even in the early 2000s. 8th MS had a banger ost

>>279941666 (OP)
>Exchanging subbed VHS tapes via people you meet on UseNet is not that much more inconvenient than modern day streaming. People just shudder at the idea because there is an introversion crisis in this country.

Disagree. You have to be an idiot to pretend that clicking links isn't more convenient than having to drive hours to meet up or waiting for stuff to come in the mail.

>Anime became fully mainstream in the US during the 1980s and Millennials who didn't think it became mainstream until the mid or late 90s are completely ahistorical and know nothing outside their own sheltered little bubble.

Ehh, kinda. A lot of anime did get localized for throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s; but convincing companies that there was a demand for Japanese language, subtitled stuff seemed to take a lot longer.

>Moe fans are irreparably broken people that want a girlfriend who's simultaneously a mentally challenged, passive, subservient daughter.

I don't think I'm in a position to judge. You know, the whole "he who is without sin" thing.

>One Piece fans are all lonely manchildren that cling to One Piece's overwrought depictions of friendship because they know nothing about the real world.

Same as previous. Though I know real life people with kids and such that like One Piece.

>>279941666 (OP)
>1
if anything it was more inconvenient because tapes wear out. even a 480p stream is better than a VHS that's been chewed to shit
>2
yes. anyone tgat claims anime didn't become mainstream until some point after Pokemania is ontologically wrong
>3
agreed
>4
disagree. You can like something because you wish the real world was that way while recognizing that by and large it ain't. Also life is way more fulfilling when you do treasure your friends that way and make sure they know you do

>>279968950
A 480p stream is better than a VHS in good condition too, considering they were typically 480i.

>>279969065
A lot of streams are bit starved. They may have high resolutions but the actual quality can be fairly bad.
480i is what DVD offered, VHS were nowhere close to that, even with commercial releases instead of copies of copies of copies.

>>279967281
They were "popular" in the sense that they aired on syndication for a year or two each and good good enough ratings, but DBZ and Pokemon were only a whole different level of moving merch