Didnt see anyone else dump so I guess I'll do it

>>279979129
isn't this the same guy that said you need a katana to fight a cat

>>279979113 (OP)
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!

>>279979129
Our hero's hero.

>>279979167
Yeah that sounds like someone who'd be Itagaki's hero

Got your nose!

>>279979197
Holy fuck, just imagine what he could do to a deck of cards.

>>279979129
The necks just keep getting wider in this series

>>279979318
kek

>>279979167
it cant be stated enough, nut if a cat would actually wanted to kill a human, it would do so in 99% of the cases.
cats are so fast and their claws are so sharp, they could slit your throat before you could react.

>>279979167
He also claimed he could chop a bull's horns off with his bare hands

>>279979418
Is he spinning to get in the perfect position to suck his dick? Is this the next step of Goudou?

>>279979129
hell fucking yes we're going on a Tangent. This is gonna be a great chapter and im just on page 1

>>279979450
Jacksisters....

>>279979450
This page doesn't look suggestive at all

>>279979482
bold bites for someone in stomping range

>>279979450
a martial art based on biting a man's genitals off...? impossible...!

>>279979514
>I... I've never seen the boss bleeding before!

>>279979450
Jack 100% would bite a dick off if that means winning a fight

>>279979506
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinamutay
>Favored targets include sensitive and easily accessible areas such as the face, neck, ear, groin, nipple, and latissimus dorsi muscle.

Wait a second. Hanayama is still STANDING. That MAN is STANDING

>>279979534
but he didn't here >>279979514 he betrayed his own philosophy. Which means he's prob going to eat shit

Jack bros....

>>279979514
>His hands are free
Jack...

>>279979573
how come hanayama has his own gaiden but jack gets punked in his solo story

Gotta love turn-based combat

>>279979573
>OH N-

>>279979573
>horny grip

>>279979583
Hanayama is just that cool

>>279979573
Fight the tears, Jack!
Fight the tears!

>>279979583
hanayama is Him

>>279979583
Haneyama has two gaidens lol

>>279979634
fucking lmao

>>279979573
Taking bets, what is he gripping?

>>279979634
humiliation ritual starting up yet again

>>279979634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-9TrZzbwM

>>279979129
I still think it's fucking funny that the karate master all the Japs jerk off to was Korean

>>279979634
>J-ACK

>>279979634
why is Jack such a retard

>>279979129
Just learned this guy was actually Korean

>>279979676
You think he took a piece of bone, or only flesh?

>>279979707
>What came to Kizaki's mind-
>The story of the standing man

>>279979634
>>279979676
Jacksisters...

>>279979747
Deck of card bros, why did we get replaced by a coin?

This is the kind of shit I expected Sukune could do with his mythical (lol) grip. Man that arc sucked.

Jack Fraudma....

>>279979747
police chief will look at this and say "this is far from over"

>>279979592
so most Hanayama fights

>>279979768
Kekune was nerfed by losing his pinky immediately for what it's worth

>>279979775
>Hamayama's leg barely bleeding
Poor Jack
At least the arm wound looks rough

And that's that. First time over dumped a translation but I guess the usual smuck that does it wasn't in today. Happy to post it. See you all next time

>>279979634
Jebus, Jack... Have some dignity.

it's confirmed, pinching > biting

>>279979824
Thanks anon

>>279979824
Thanks for the dump!

>>279979573
>jack bites
>hanayama just bites harder with his hand

>>279979775
Why is Jack such a little bitch? He can bite but can't take being bit.

>Jack is literally being treated like a child
>Can only do bites
>Been told off by getting his cheek pinched
>Goes at it again by hugging the legs and trying another bite
What's the endgoal here?

>>279979824
Thanks OP, Hanayama never disappoints even when he don't do shit

Why didn't jack bite hanayama's dick when he had the chance?

>>279979634
Oh no no no

>>279979884
That will be Yujirou's post-fight analysis why he lost

>>279979803
Yeah. First Itagaki made him too strong and then had to do that.

>>279979766
You were ripped off and tossed aside.

>>279979833
Whole fight is "Jack only can use his mouth to bite, but Hanayama can bite with his fist".

>>279979803
Why doesn't Jack do the same and bites Hanayama's fingers?

>Kato kicking Gaia in the nuts
>Kosho getting a fight
>fucking Hanada getting a fight
>Haneyama using pinching attacks again
Itagaki definitely reread some of the OG series again recently and was reminded about stuff from back then

I'm not a Baki-nerd, so was Hanayama always this top-tier?

>>279979450
For one moment, you can tell Hanayama thought Jack was going to go for his dick

The only way for Jack to win at this point is to go for the balls

>>279979942
Was it someone else explaining how the pinky was the strongest? Jack may have just lucked out that he bit off the most important finger.
>>279979959
Kinda? Not really? He's just... there. He's strong but never really considered as some "strongest in the verse".

>>279979959
Yes but also no, usually he'd just tank a lot of hits, wind up a big punch over several chapters, land that punch, everyone including the guy who got punched would gush over how cool Haneyama is, and then Haneyama would lose.

>>279979939
And bite better, since it's clearly more painful.
At least this is better than the old "he presses your arm so hard it explodes" bullshit.

>>279979919
>flashback scene of yujiro killing people by ripping their dicks off
>tokugawa retcons that he's always done it and hasn't recently

the followup chapters will be glorious

>>279979959
He's like top tier in strength and stamina, but if you hit him the right way or get any proper technique working on him, he folds. Hanayama is pure talent and genetics, he has no actual training or martial strategy

>>279979884
Real talk, Jack doesn't like to maim his ooponents and he went out of his way to help Shinogi stitch his ear back

>>279980083
>Jack doesn't like to maim his ooponents
>swallows Sukune's finger
Jack changed

>>279980083
but by his own admission he claims he'd show his asshole to win, yet this is an exception

>>279979828
This is the guy who would show his asshole to win, anon.

>>279980120
Ok I might've memoryholed the entire sumo arc, I concede

>>279979959
After Retsu, he's the strongest one in the Baki gang (Shibukawa is overrated)

>>279980175
I feel like Katsumi is stronger

>>279979959
he's a child prodigy like baki, only in strength rather than technique . they are like the same age. they fought when they were young and it was close

>>279979676
He did the same thing to Spec if I recall. Let's hope he pops one of Jack's limbs like in the old days by the time this fight is over

>>279980196
Katsumi is this weird case where he was a massive jobber until Pickle, and never got a real chance to do anything worthwhile to show us where he's at

>>279980080
Right but he's kind of redundant with Pickle around. And Pickle even picks up some martial arts fundamentals because it's not a matter of pride. Hanayama definitely needs some justification. He can't just be an inferior Pickle or Jack. I don't mind some rock-paper-scissor reasoning to justify why Jack can beat Pickle (now) and Hanayama can beat Jack. I still don't think this beefed up Hanayama can beat Pickle.

so how will jack learn from this defeat? Wear armor?

>>279979690
>>279979708
>born of jap parent
>dude he is african because he was born in africa!

>>279980300
He'll learn to bite with his asshole

>>279979634
>>279979676
KWAB

>>279980281
He did trash the Yasha Jr. and beat Hanayama

>>279979959
ehh he is a brute force fighter but still behind Oliva, Pickle and Yujiro if you count him too

>>279980300
Biting is one power, it shouldn't be your only one.
Does a lion only bite?

>>279980127
But by crippling someone else to win a fight Jack wouldn't be just sacrifing his own reputation like, for example, by showing his asshole. He'd be sacrificing someone else's future, which I don't feel fits really well with his theme of sacrifing his future to win in the now.

>>279979113 (OP)
retard

>Hanayama showing off the same goudo fighting style but only using his hands
>no need to degrade himself with biting
>Jack’s bites did jack shit to him
>meanwhile his grabs leave Jack in agony
Jack will never recover from this

>>279979869
Biting is lame

>>279980487
Come on, Itagaki spent like a year hyping it up. Even got a dog involved.

>>279979197
only itagaki would jerk off some fat old fraud that couldn't fight a high school boy

>>279980339
You are conflating nationality with genetic heritage, of course anyone born in Africa is African, but they may be not Afrikaan.

>>279979113 (OP)
He doesn't even look human.

>>279980153
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
>>279979824
Thanks for the dump, Anon'.

>>279979129
Orochis inspiration and Zainichi Korean.

>>279980543
african isn't a nationality

why did Jack bite the fleshy part of the leg instead of the shin bone? what's the point of titanium teeth if he only bites soft spots?

>>279980656
he meant to say n1ggers

>>279980686
Fraudulent teeth
Fraudulent metals

The art in this manga reminds me of that horrid webcomic about goblins
it's genuinely disgusting to look at

>>279980472
so your saying he won't kill to win? Maybe motobe will give more growth to jack then, to have a warrior's mentality

>>279980697
It's ok you can say nigger in this website

hanayama needs to do the thing and explode jack's mandibles

>>279980762
stfu n1gger

>>279979634
>>279979651
This is pathetic

new reaction image

>>279979514
just fucking punch him
why are you putting yourself in a situation where he can calmly grab you
so much for the logical fighter

>>279980686
Titanium isn't that strong. Try stabbing someone in the leg with a titanium spork and see if you can get to the bone

>>279980482
>Jack will never recover from this
But isn't Jack's whole deal that he gets constantly shitwrecked, yet always recovers and keeps coming back stronger and more roided? This isn't even close to his worst humiliation.

>>279980277
That fight was fantastic, pure mayhem. I actually miss Spec and Dorian.

>>279980754
It could also be Yujro, since he was also praised as a warrior by Musashi
Basically >>279979919 This but unironically
A rematch or a quick spar against Motobe might be nice though, just to show how much he has improved.

did he scream this hard when Pickle chewed his face off?

>>279979856
You'd expect the guy who got multiple leg lengthening surgeries with the doctor commenting on how brave he was for enduring the pain they cause to be more resilient to it.

>>279980915
No. In fact he didn't scream at all when that happened but you could probably chalk that up to blind rage making him not care about the pain.

>>279980040
I fucking loved the exploding arm bit.

>>279980915
No.
>>279980938
Itagaki wanted Jack to be humiliated this fight so he lowered his pain threshold.

How is Hanayama supposed to be more resilient than Pickle, he tanked getting thrown head first into concrete while Pickle was done after a couple of suplexes in sand and he even has the reinforced skull.

>>279979634
This is so fucking silly.

>>279979634
So is this leading up to a "Jack manages to win but the fight as a whole is still extremely embarrassing" scenario to play into his "I don't care if it looks cool I just want to win" mindset, or is this another "Itagaki got bored of the arc he's writing and we're going to spend the next year watching Jack lose to half the cast" situation?

>>279981034
>Bit him two times to no effect
>Somehow will snatch a win
He's going to bite his cock isn't he?

>>279980863
True in reality, but we've seen Jack chew straight through bone before.

>>279981034
>watching Jack lose to half the cast
Read it as "Jack lose to a cat" and kek'd

>>279981076
Wasn't there a whole scene with Retsu standing in awe with how he's able to eat a whole roast pig, bones and all?

>>279979959
I think it's important to put Hanayama's strength in contrast to his philosophy (or perhaps more accurately his state-of-being) of purity. This might be out of nowhere, but have you heard the story about the tattoo on his back?

Do you think Jack might get btfo so hard, he will drop the roids and go full baki?

I mean, if you think about it, hands are like mouths. And Jack only started Gudou recently. Hanayama, on the other hand, used his "teeth" his whole life. Jack is an amateur compared to him...

>>279981034
At this point Jack isn't winning this fight unless Hanayama loses on purpose or Jack does something absolutely heinous like >>279981071, and I don't see Itagaki writing anything like that happening to Hanayama.

>>279981146
He would literally die

>>279979113 (OP)
God I love Rahen.

>>279980120
Sukune was talking mad shit so he's a different case, Jack isn't a dick to nice people but Sukune deserved it

>>279981160
>hands are like mouths
not really. it feels very different

You think Yujiro can flex so hard so that he can counter Jack's biting

>>279981168
Jack just needs to stop going for bites, it's leaving him wide open for Hanayama gripping

>>279981222
Tbh with biting, unless you are able to do it very swiftly and let go of the injured immediately, you'd basically have one of the most vulnerable parts of the body aka the head stuck in one place, basically begging to be hit as you sink your teeth into your enemy's flesh. Hanayama's grip is actually more versatile when you think about it.

>>279981287
Yujiro could use his bicep to bite Jack.

>>279981287
He just shove his whole fist into Jack's mouth and then there'd be 3 pages dedicated to a K9 trainer saying the best way to prevent a dog bite is to do that.
And then Jack would go AIEEE and then there'd he a month break.

Why is Jack acting like a retard?
Against Pickle he incorporated biting with a brain, using it when he got an opening with grappling etc. now he's just rushing to bite headfirst leaving himself wide open.
And he's bites do fucking nothing now since Hanayama's yakuza machismo appartently makes him immune to pain and damage.

>>279981329
The problem is that he keeps biting and then staying latched on for no reason.

>>279979482
>>279979450
Am I misremembering or didn’t Jack say he wouldn’t even need to bite for this fight?

>>279979573
>just a battle of attrition to see who can endure more pieces being taken out of them
Yeah Jack is fucked here. He's got nothing on STANDING MAN.

>>279979318
Nice schizo face

>>279979573
>>279979634
>>279979676
HAHAHAHAHA! YES, HANAYAMA! PUNISH THIS FUCKER!! FUCK HIS SISSY FIGHTING STYLE!!

Biting is supposed to be good because the whole body is sensitive to pain but given that hanayama is all about tanking attacks, godou is naturally weak against him

>>279981387
The cloth getting stuck inbetween Jacks titanium teeth are... Strong...

>>279981381
He's looking down on Hanayama since he has no frame of reference for him, not taking what Yujiro said about him too seriously
As far as Jacks concerned Hanayama is or was just some Brawler who wore fancy clothes because he isn't taking fighting seriously

>>279981349
Kek

>>279981329
Or do what he's done before and actually fight smart. Take quick bites while dodging instead of standing still like a retarded deer in the headlights.

>>279981464
He said he "wouldn't need" to bite Hanayama to beat him. He never said "I'm not gonna bite in our fight". I don't know why this is so difficult to understand

>>279981381
Itagaki can only write one action per chapter and it means Jack is the one who got hit by the retard stick this fight. Don't mind it too much.

>>279981381
Jack is just stunned by how cool Hanayama is.

Rahen is so shit now
Tf happened to Jack

>>279981505
>he's looking down on him.
But you know, it's really hard to believe considering he had just left him writhing in pain on the floor and completely vulnerable to attacks.

>>279979676
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqjJgIZr5ls

>>279981464
He's doing it to prove a point. Goudou and all that shit. I hope I'm wrong because that would be lame, but it feels like the classic Itagakism where Baki / pre-jobbing Jack start losing and then they get up, say the usual "lol didn't hurt" line, and then end up winning.

>>279979129
IRL DOPPO

>>279979129
>Korean Oliva

>>279979573
AIEEEE HANAYAMA-SAMA

>>279979856
This feels relevant

Remember when Jack got half his face ripped off and eaten? Remember how he just smiled and kept going? Yeah, good times.

>>279979634
YES, GET FUCK PARU

>>279981381
Jack literally has no idea of who Hanayama is and what he's capable of.
When it came to Pickle he already had first hand experience on his modus operandi, so he tailored a strategy to hard counter nearly everything he could do to him, can't do that against Hanayama since the two literally never exchanged a word before this arc, if he knew about the standing man he would have been way more cautious.

>>279981754
This is what happens when Jack doesn't juice before a fight

>>279981636
I have to say I liked Jack before even though he was third string, but now I've lost all respect for this character. This is worse than Ali Jrs humiliation.

>>279981381
>appartently makes him immune to pain and damage
He pretty much is. Have you heard the story? The story of the Standing Man tattoo on Hanayama's back? I think somebody needs to post the story.

This whole fight seems really out of character for Jack. He really became a bitch after fighting Pickle

>uses the weapon of toddlers
>gets manhandled like one

>>279981849
He's been out of character since the wasp chapter.

It's so over Jacksisters...

>>279981864
he's been out of character since Ali Jr. if you think about it

>>279979197
Remember how that jobber Sikorsky could fold a coin like it was a piece of paper?

>>279981905
Nah, his first fight against Pickle was still pure Jack. Motobe buckbroke him.

>>279979634
>the counter to biting is to inflict so much pain at once they're forced to release and scream
This is so fucking funny, I wasn't expecting Hanayama to be a perfect counter to Jack.

anyone got a link to where I can read chapter 46? just caught up but haven't read that one yet and I'm having a hard time finding it

>>279979408
A cat wouldn't be smart enough to know where your vitals are. It'd just jump at you and try to scratch and bite you wherever it can. There'd plenty of time for most humans to just grab it and throw it away.

>>279979634
AGAIN! AGAIN! ARMED AND DANGEROUS

>>279981965
Comick

>>279981932
the way he accepted defeat was pretty out of character the way I saw it

>>279979573
>>279979634
FINGERS CHAD > virgin jaw

>>279981968
>A cat wouldn't be smart enough to know where your vitals are.
animals know. big cats and dogs always go right for the throat.

>>279981965
pornhub.net

>>279980175
Shibukawa would do to him the same thing he did to Oliva.

>>279979634
AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HANAYAMA-SAMA FORGIVE MEEEEEEEEEEE

>>279979634
Tom and Jerry bit lmao

>>279979942
You really want Itagaki for Hanayama to be the real rip off

>>279979942
You really want Itagaki for hanayama to rip off jack's jaw clean and humiliate him further?

>>279979129
Itagaki forgot he made a stand-in character already again

>>279979775
Jacksisters...

>I'll eat his asshole if it means winning!
>*aggressively rims hanayama*

>>279980717
thats part of the allure, same logic with One Piece animation that people shit on but is crucial to the soul of the series

>>279980891
i started Baki with the anime so they were the first arc and I love how impressive they were, shame the other prisoners were kinda shit

>>279981381
Says you, but the truth is that Pickle was the one hit with a retard beam in his second fight with Jacko. If Pickle had done everything he was shown capable off beforehand, he would've just blitzed Jack or ripped him in half since he should've gripping strength comparable to Hanayama's.

>>279979408
99% of the time? Before someone could react?…Are you serious? You means house cats, right? They can’t even jump high enough to immediately cut the jugular, provided that they knew to do so. They’d have to run up your body, which of course is going to at least allow for reaction time. If they swiped your jugular, you could probably keep pressure on it and be fine… we’re talking about cat claws, they’re tiny. Meanwhile a human just needs to grab the thing and do whatever (I don’t like thinking about harming cats).

>>279982465
To be fair, it was presented as Pickle just treating it like a game. That's why in the end we don't get Jack actually beating him, we get Pickle going
>That was fun, you win or whatever

Itagaki really fucked Jack over.
Goudou was supposed to be an actually dangerous, opportunistic bite-and-retreat style.
Lightning fast, to the point when people only realized Jack bit them when he spat out a piece of their flesh.
Now he does retarded shit like this >>279979482

>>279982644
Jack is still green

>>279979358
>I ripped off a square inch of a fleshy part of his cheek
>surely the painkiller, drugs filled 7" battle maniac dude will surrender
what did he mean by this

>>279982644
there are so many things that are wrong or inconsistent with Jack, and its all because of the dumbass writing by Itagaki recently.

I could go on a rant about all the things wrong with Jack, Rahen, and Baki in general but I aint got time for DAT

>>279981905
he's been out of character since he drugged Retsu wtf was the reason of that

>>279979634
>AIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE YOUR FINGERS ARE MAKING ME SCREAMING IN PAIN
KWAB

>>279982954
>making me screaming
good morning sir kindly do the 4chan postings very good

>>279979408
Actual retard.

Just you wait, this is part of his strategy. Jack is purposely looking like a pussy to get Hanayama to put down his guard.

>>279980475
Yo gotta be quicker on your dumps slow poke Rodriguez then you wouldn't have me doing it for you. Sandro sloppers best us by a mile

>>279983007
MobileGOD here, it was the corrector's fault, don't get too cocky jacksissy

>>279983149
my bad, meant to say faggot

>>279979877
Musashi should have finished the job so Jack didn't have to suffer.

>>279979634
After some deliberation, I have come to a conclusion: KEK

>>279979824
Thanks

>>279979482
>>279979514
Every time Jack bites this fight I've been reminded of this gif

>>279981381
he isn't acting

Jack is simply a loser.

>>279979634
rahen has been pretty lackluster so far, but i do enjoy seeing jack get humiliated.

>>279983495
he's only a "loser" cuz he's currently being wirtten as such
faggot

>>279983652
>if he was a completely different character he'd uhh he different
Ok

>>279983424
orange cat in disguise

>>279983580
This reminds me of the time we expected Ali Jr to come in and get revenge on Doppo.

>>279979418
I fully expected Jack to break out a sub here.

>>279983686
tf did I just read?
go make me a sandwich, bitch

>>279983652
Jack has always been a fuck-up to be fair, just one with a tragic backstory

>>279984060
Is there a single Jack fan who has any level of reading comprehension or ability at all, it's like you guys just look at the art in each chapter and nothing else

>>279982465
>he should've gripping strength comparable to Hanayama's.
That's one thing Hana definitely has over him going by the test of strength bit where Pickle tied with Musashi but Hanayama pushed musashi to the ground.

I'm now convinced that Sukune lost his pinky entirely to keep from Infringing on Hanayama's grip gimmick.

>>279983765
nobody actually expected that to happen
maybe a netflix newfag or two hoped for it

>>279984257
oh look, stick-in-the-asshole jewsh is here

>>279979942
>Itagaki
>giving his favorite son lasting damage
This is the same dude that fought Musashi and pickle didn't win but side stepped the mutilations everyone else got. Musashi couldn't cut him because he is too big boned. It's happening again now with jack. Jack would chunks out of people and he is barely breaking the skin now.

Honestly, Jack getting kwabbed seems like the predictable way this arc would go. He stacked a bunch of wins in a row, but that was all with more or less just brute force. It's time for him to grow
Even though Hanayama is younger than him, he's the perfect opponent to teach him a lesson

>>279984435
musashi blinded him in one eye and scarred him further

Wonder how Goudou would stand up to 4000 years of Chinese Martial arts

>>279984462
The scars add to the standing man lore

>>279984501
the white eye too?

>>279983580

>>279984527
yes

>>279979318
Got your nose!

Itagaki is an amazing artist and author
but his writing has always been the fucking same
introduces a strong character and fucks everyone up then loses once and then keeps losing until they are irrelivent

FUCK THIS SHIT NIGGER JEET WRITING !!1

>>279984585
Jack's not losing. Calm down

>>279984548
>16 dog years

>>279984621
OK ok calm down lets calm down....

>>279984621
So who is losing then?

>>279984761
obv hanaGAYa

>>279979113 (OP)
>>279979775
I still believe in Jack. Awakening soon.

>>279984761
It's either getting interrupted or Jack's going to powerup from this

>>279984819
>>279984923
I guess it's possible, but he's already been humiliated twice in this fight now.

>>279984949
he already has 3 wins in a row. 4 if you count the sword guy
It was bound to happen. his conversation with yujiro implied he was still too emotional and green

Jacksisters... How are we coping?

The whole point of this arc is Jack "winning" the fight but losing in spirit. So he'll beat Hanayama but make himself look like an absolute faggot in the process.

>>279985010
Looking foward to the inevitable growth and power up.

>>279985078
we'll see how itagaki works it out. it never felt to me like he liked jack too much, considering he barely mattered since he destroyed Jr
if he's serious about this being an arc about Baki's brother, i'd like to see some kind of interaction between the siblings. maybe even see Jack's mother

>>279985040
like they always do. acting like catty, histrionic clowns

>>279985194
As expected.

>>279985143
>i'd like to see some kind of interaction between the siblings. maybe even see Jack's mother
that would be cool. I understand that this time it's not about Baki hence the title and all, but he still shouldn't be like fully absent

>>279985041
i laughed

>>279985041
He's going to dress up like a female Yakuza and lure Hanayama underneath a big piano that's being lifted up by a crane, then drop it on him

>>279985442

>>279979129
>the author's hero, a corny ass carnival magician,

>>279979514
Does someone else draw the audience nobodies?

>>279985332
Add Jack cutting the Crane's wire rope with his own teeth and I can see it

This fight is dumb. I don't even care who wins or loses at this point.

>>279985442
>sloppa
>reddit

>>279979707
People don't get the Jack Strategy here, he is letting Hannayama taking chunks of his body so he can get lighter and faster

>>279985843
It was actually getting downvoted to hell in reddit and I saved it before the poster deleted it, so it looks like you'd fit right in.

>>279980297
Well he is.
Hanayama's primary strength lies in his pride and dedication though. He's raw ability and toughness, but fully inferior in that regard to Pickle. That's why he's consistently among the weaker members of the main crew, but he always get to look good because he sticks to his guns and toughs out the fight.
Jack "beat" Pickle in that Pickle gave up the fight and didn't even show everything he did against Baki. Jack also employed a strategy against him we're not seeing here.
There's no way Hanayama beats Pickle in a fist fight, but we've seen him take Pickle's charge head on as a greeting. Pickle respected that shit. Hanayama is a man's man who gets to hang because his aesthetic sense is pristine and hard to find fault in. He lives his way and someday he'll die his way.

>>279980889
This. Jack doesn't need to "recover from this."
It goes against his character to think otherwise. Jack is absolutely shameless in how often he'll get back up after being knocked down. Remember when he lost to Pickle twice in one day because he didn't know when to give up and ended up getting treated like leftover food? Or when he made a run straight at his pops after losing to Baki in the MT and Yujiro was disgusted with his audacity in daring to lose twice in one day? The man worked a punching bag for hours in front of a whole gym of people while sweating and pissing himself until he fell unconscious.
Jack being shameless and not staying down just because he looked bad is core to who he is as a person. His desire and obsession with the praise he's received is a new development for him, but I seriously doubt failing to receive it is going to be a devastating blow for him. Rather, I think that not getting the praise he's come to enjoy will light more of a fire under his ass.

>>279979634
I think I get it. Jack's style of attack is ineffective against a guy who doesn't feel pain and can outdo him at his own pain-causing game, like Hanayama. Jack should go back to his basic style of punching, kicking, and submissions, using only bites to tear out vital areas and try to bleed him out.

>>279986139
Yes. Hanayama is a dude that fought entire yakuza gangs by himself you aren't going to make him flinch by biting him.

The whole problem with this manga is that the fighting style is based on maiming, so he can't actually have Jack fight too well or he'd be killing his characters. There's no reason Jack should be latching on like a feral dog when he could be riping and tearing, sliping and dodging.

If he's trying to show Jack's hubris by making him trying to make his opponent cry out like a bitch, that'd be one thing, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

>>279979775
Jacksisters....this was supposed to be OUR arc...

>>279979129
Alright then

>>279979408
I understand that reference.

>>279979318
Any bit

>>279981464
The water steak from Hanayama gave him the okay

>jobs in you're path

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>279979537
Lmao this is looney tunes tier shit
>ehhhhh aint i a stinker?

>>279979676
Is anyone else being second hand sissified by this? After I read this page I had the strong urge to get fucked up the ass

>>279979573
>>279979634
>>279979676
Bitebros… Hanayama’s just biting with his hands… why didn’t we think of that!!!

>>279986215
Nah this is because Itagaki realized Paru was talking shit about him via her new manga

>>279979777
Trips of kek

>>279979775
He deserves this a little bit after getting to beat Pickle so easily.

>>279979824
Thank you kindly

>>279986595
Dude we still got this, hand bites are not pure bites
Once jack realizes this we will beat hanayama in fighting and purety

>>279981381
He only won against Pickle because Piclke didn't care. Pickle is not a figher, he is a hunter. And he is fine eating garbage now.

So, tearing apart a guy bit by bit with your fingers is pure, but doing the same with your teeth isn't?

>>279979634
So guys this is a “Dredd punch judge” moment. Where the character has been humiliated in such a way that the writer can't go back. Hanayama having BTFO Jack in the first chapter made Itagaki change his plans about the Jack fight. I know Baki is full of it, but...

>>279986884
Jack is shit. Jack has ALWAYS been shit. I don't know why the Jacksissies think he's cool or ever going to win against anyone cool.

He's a bitch ass nigga.

>>279981129
Hanayama has a tattoo? How do you even know? They've never shown it.

It's retarded how much pain Jack is in. He's suffered way more pain in the past.

>>279986876
pure as a child

>>279986974
He's pretending. It's all to get Hanayama to lower his guard.

>>279980297
you're not a real man if you don't understand why Hanayama is the realest fighter in Baki. are you trans perhaps? or just soi?

I will kneel if Jack throws his shit at Hanabanana's suit and he give up.

>>279986990
someone make a "i was only pretending to be retarded" meme with Jack pls. the truth is though, that j-ACK really is just a drug addicted retard.

>>279987021
i would kneel if Hanayama clapped Jack's cheeks and Yujiro watched and laughed.

>>279983294
Mushashi would have died if that fight lasted another 30 seconds.

>>279987081
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Hanayama spanked Jack's ass next chapter o complete the petulant child humiliation ritual.

>>279984257
all Jack fans are illiterate retards. you finally cracked the code. he's such a shit character and fighter.

>>279987125
i wouldn't be surprised if this fight ended up being a completely humiliation ritual for jack and all of the bystanders laughed at him while he cried.

if itagaki had any real balls, hanayama would just kill him here and then rahen would end.

>>279981781
So you're saying someone needs to tell the story of the standing man to him?

If he's goigng to go humiliation ritual, he needs to go harder. If he's just doing a reversal, it's boooooring.

>>279986211
I think in this fight Jack will discover that he's gotten too cocky with his biting style and that he needs to mix it up for it to work. Against Sukuna, he actually combined his martial arts very well, but it seems like he's gotten too cocky since then.

check yourself bud. relax. deep breaths

>>279979573
>>279979676
Was honestly expecting Hanayama to do his muscle exploding bit where he grabs with both hands but maybe he's just being nice to Jack instead of crippling him.

>>279979959
Hanayama is the "threshold guardian". If you can beat him, you're top-tier. But even then, out of the people that do beat him, Yujiro is the only one to do so unscathed.

Sukune will run it back with titanium pinky.
100%
It’s over for Jackfags

>>279987548
When was the last time he even used that move? Was it his fight vs Speck?

>>279983141
>Hanayama
>guard
LMAO

>>279984304
I said "comparable". And that's because we saw Pickle ripping steel apart with his bare hands. Imagine if he decided to adopt hit and run tactics with that gripping strength plus his claws and teeth while moving at the speed he showed when he blitzed Jack & Baki.

Jack is just lucky Suedo isn't here.

i see so many people hating on Jack, i mean i don't like him or anything but i think his existence could be a depiction of mental toughness when the physical body lacks that, a simple example is him breaking his femurs to get taller

I can't wait for Jack to say "It's time to Jack Off!" and release his signature move.

>>279981023
Pickle is resilient because of his thick neck. Hanayama is resilient because he seems to have a dulled sense of pain. He's been shot and stabbed so many times that he doesn't even react anymore. Just in the Speck fight alone, he took a barrage that crumbles the Statue of Liberty, had a handful of bullets set off in his mouth, and took a flash grenade at point blank range without blinking, and showed no notable reaction to any of it.

>>279979573
What would Yujiro do against the grab?

>>279988022
Simply counter-flex

>>279979514
I thought he was going for a heel hook

what
is
HAPPENING
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

If you're giving yourself titanium teeth why not just use a knife at this point?

>>279980196
Katsumi is all over the place, one minute doing something incredible, the next losing unbelievably and miserably

>>279981754
>getting skin sliced off by a beast's fangs is exactly the same as having skin and muscle slowing twisted off the bone

>>279986974
It is a weird that he took the slashes to the abdomen from Pickle like a champ but tearing is his hyper pain weakness, unless this is leading to something or is somehow a ruse.

>>279988340
getting cut is entirely different from getting a chunk of your flesh ripped out slowly with all your nerves still attached to it

>>279979542
>One key principle is uninterrupted biting: This means that the kinamutay practitioner places himself in such a position that he can continue to hold a bite as long as he wants, disabling his opponent from escaping his bite. The biting aspect of kinamutay concerns itself with what targets to bite, how much to bite at a time, and the angle and movement of the bite.

Huh, this sounds stronger than what we are currently seeing in the manga.

>>279985523
I dunno, but this isn't the first chapter where the audience members or even major characters like Doppo look completely different than usual.

>>279986884
humiliation is like a routine part of Jack's training.

>>279981023
Pickle tanked Musashi's cuts, Hanayama ignored the damage but was still about to fucking die from them

If jack jobs, im dropping baki for good. TS is so ass

>>279989219
Didn't he specifically have some binding and alcohol poured on it?

knot soon

>>279979676
If that had happened in Grappler Baki, Jack would need a surgery to start walking again.

>>279988017
>Pickle is resilient because of his thick neck
No, Pickle was so durable that he wasn't completely minced by a fucking T-Rex bite and even Musashi couldn't fully slice his muscles. And Musashi could cleave armored vehicles in half like a hot knife through butter.

>>279988198
Katsumi hasn't had a serious fight since he got Retsu's magical arm powerup, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger than current Doppo and Shibukawa.

If Jack doesn't get fully humiliated, Itagaki should bring in a plot with some people Jack can actually kill. If the whole problem is his sense of showmanship and pride, put him into real deathbattles or something.

>>279988741
Fair but he got slashed a lot in the same area

JACK WILL WIN

>>279989904
He needs to bring back Median Strike and combine it with his Sonic Punch. That shit should fuck someone's day up

>>279979775
He gotta stop biting and go for the slugfest

not only jack is losing, he also does it without style. can we switch back to baki now?

LACK CANT HANDLE THE STANDING CHAD WANAYAMA

>>279993236
>meanwhile, at Baki's fight
*YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN*

>>279993236
Maybe we'll just get a few tiny Hanayama arcs now and he'll lose to someone and it'll switch to them.

>all these analpained jackfags
they're gonna kill themselves when the animated Musashi arc comes out

>>279979690
Rikidozan is arguarbly the most relevant pro wrestler in japan's history and was also korean

>>279979676
I thought he crushed his balls when I saw the previous page

>>279979634
Oh, the pain

funny how in theory Sikorsvky can do all of that but would rather play Spiderman

Even jack wins this fight it will feel hollow after how badly hanayama has humiliated him
>punched out immediately
>next chapter ends on the same punch again
>the pinch
>the leg grab
>Jack screaming out in pain multiple times

>>279993012
>COPEma

>>279995157
Sikorsky is nowhere near Hanayama in any other stat aside from pinching strength though. He couldn't pull Hana's fighting style.

>>279995157
All Sikorsky has is his grip. He cried like a little bitch when Gaia threw sand at him and kicked him in the shins.

>>279979482

>>279979676
>>279979775
I'm glad Retsu isn't alive to see this

At least one of them are going to lose their dick, aren't they?

>>279995943
>comes back with a metal dick 30 chapters later

Jack will WIN.
I will ALWAYS believe in Jack.

>>279979676
Why does Jack not react to getting his face bitten off, but screams like from some flesh below the knee where there are almost no nerves?

>>279996200
*screams like a bitch from

>>279996097
Elma...

>>279996200
how did Jack have any nerve endings in his cheeks at all in this fight?
Since they were already bitten off by Pickle, I mean.

>>279986974
Pinching hurts. Pinching that can remove flesh would be incredibly painful.

>>279987820
>a simple example is him breaking his femurs to get taller
Manlets do that all the time

>>279997000
Extraordinarily painful, yes. The most painful thing he's ever felt to the point of flailing on the ground like a pathetic bitch, nah.

>>279997185
What's the most painful?

>>279997223
I would say what he's experiencing now should be equal to or less than anything else he's experienced in any other fight. It's not like he's getting a testicle expertly exploded or something. The problem is that his bitch factor is turned up to 11 to make him seem more pathetic when there's nothing special about this pain. It's just more of the same as any other pain.

>>279997419
Nah. Bitten by sharp teeth and claws is less painful

>>279979690
Ok? and?

>>279995280
Almost like one of the things this part is about is aesthetics or something

>>279979707
>Standing...
>Is strong!

>>279996200
Because they're completely different kinds of injury. Getting his face bitten off happened in a flash and most likely would result on him running on adrenaline and endorphins, which would numb the pain and stall the bleeding, whereas getting pinched in a relatively large area of your skin for a relatively long period of time with all the pain receptors still attached would have the opposite effect on his brain chemistry, it would activate his pain neuronal pathway and release a wave of Glutamate, GABA and substance P and only then some endorphins, which would cause even his testosterone levels to drop momentarily on top of the severe accute pain. And no, Itagaki did not put this much into it, but still stumbled into a physiologically sound scenario.

>>279979634
I refuse to believe he felt this to be that painful

>>279979634
>AAAAIIIIIIIIEEE, BAKI NII-SAMA, SAVE ME!!!
LMAO.

>>279979318
>>279979707
>>279979747
The whole point of this chapter or fight, even, is to show that you don't have to lower yourself to the level of an animal, which is to say, resort to biting, to effectively do the same thing to your opponent, which goes hand in hand with the topic of dignity discussed earlier.

>>279997775
japs hate koreans

>>279981968
>A cat wouldn't be smart enough to know where your vitals are.
literally every cat knows where the jugular is. all of them have the same grapple/neck bite instinct, which is refined by practice. even if you adopt a kitten who has had no interaction with other cats, it will do to your hand/wrist the same exact motion a lion does to a zebra.

>>279982607
a cat can jump almost 6 feet up from a standing position. who has the fucking comic?

N1GGERS N1GGERS N1GGERS

>>279982884
Fax!!

This series has no sense of plot at all but the fights are still so entertaining even though most of the time they're between same old characters. Gotta give to it to author.

Wish he'd go back to the Dou artstyle.

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH
im so fucking tired of waiting for the next season
it better be a trailer next month for fuck sake.

>>279980938
getting surgery is different from having your cheek and leg skin getting pinched off with the force of a hydraulic press.

>>279981917
gimmicks like that don't win fights
Yujiro knows this
and Jack is going to learn this the hard way

>>279979129
Itagaki's HERO. Anyway Gichin, the founder of Shotokan is the father of modern karate because he brought karate from Okinawa to mainland Japan and made it into a system teachable to a large group of people at once; this to appeal to the army.

He took karate from a family tradition to a public system.

>>279998905
Crushing damage has a special type of pain receptor associated with it.
I think being crushed and torn apart with titanium esque fingers could be one of the most painful things that could happen to a leg

Far more painful than having your face bitten off by sharp teeth

>>279979318
Even the you know what?

>>279979450
kek

genuine question, what is the point of all this?

>>279979775
thanks

>>280000721
there's no point to anything after Baki and Yujiro's miso fight. It's just Itagaki getting paid to goof around and have fun

Jack will lose, Itagaki will let him come back a bit as per usual when someone is getting rocked this fucking hard but there's a fatal flaw in Jacks bite technique, he can only use his mouth to gouge people Hanayama can use both hands, it's over for Jack

>>279979634
Reaching Vegeta's level in jobberness, Jack...

>>279997806
Well the aesthetics of Jack getting bullied by Hanayama like a toddler with a mean older brother are terrible.

>>280000721
Like his body before it, Jack's mind needs to be broken so it can grow back stronger.

>>280001288
I don't think brain lengthening surgery is a thing

>>280001297
Have you not read Kengan?

>people suddenly saying Rahen sucks now that Jack's getting his shit pushed in
Rahen's mostly been fun so far, Pickle being so incapable against Jack felt more bullshit than Haneyama's super grip hurting Jack yet people accepted that pretty quick
Past few fights have made it clear that there's something not quite right with how Jack is approaching fights too

>>279989904
I'm still annoyed we never saw his one-armed karate in a fight, felt like it was hyped up for a while

Jack will bite off Hanayama's dick (they will sew it back on later).
I considered this and this seems to be the natural progression of the events.

>>280002434
Wow... I hadn't thought it like that but you're right

>>280002434
He could've done it here >>279979450 but was too much of a pussy
He will get his sex power-up in Rahen, but it'll be from Yujiro raping him I'm afraid

>>279979775
>break next week
At this point why doesn't itagaki just officially release chapters every 2 weeks? There's been a week break every chapter for a long time now

>>280002692
We'd just get a chapter every 3 weeks instead if that happened

>>280002366
You just know next chapter Yujiro will come from the shadows watching like "Jack my son you are not doing it right wheres yor killer spirit" and then Jack will bite Hanayamas dick off.

>>280002748
He still refuses to go for the arteries
Biting doesn't even look bad, what looks bad is Jack being a retard and not using it effectively despite it being his gimmick the entire manga

>>280002636
Because he's not been pushed to brink yet, he's still maintaining a degree of pride and decorum.
Only when Hanayama will make him lose hope will Jack abandon all pretense and resort to the dick bite.

>>280002806
What are the chances that Jack doesn't even know what an artery is? He's a poorfag uneducated retard so he might not even know they exist, then yujiro comes up with a drawing board and a teacher's attire and calmly explains it to him and jack goes all "oooooooooh"

>>280000721
Strong is beautiful
>>280002636
>He will get his sex power-up in Rahen, but it'll be from Yujiro raping him I'm afraid
Would actually be kino.
>Jack discovers the woman in him (his mom)
>realizes he's been a maso slut for daddy the whole time
>deepthroat-goudou unlocked
>"You are finally ready"
>Yujiro rematch

Bruh Jack is fucking coin-tier now

>>280002806
He'd expose his own carotid artery to Hanayama's grip by doing do

>>279980297
Hanayama has the grip over Pickle

>>279982116
>>279999284
A cat wouldn't have enough force to cut your throat, though. It would have to keep biting and scratching, and most humans would have enough time to react to it.

>>279979113 (OP)
This is bullshit. Jack beat pickle but is losing to hanayama? Jack has always been more powerful and a better fighter

>Jack is le bitch now cause he feels pain
Literally every single character screams with pain from the painful moves in this series

>>279979159
>>279583521 wished it into existence lol

>>280003143
baki chapters be like
>flowery prose
>quote from old dead martial artist
>explanation of quote from old dead martial artist
>the reason why we struggle
>on page 15 someone finally starts moving
>gallant movements
>commentary from doppo, shibukawa and whoever else showed up
>dick punch

>>280003143
jack is a hanma he should be able to tough it out

>>280002950
Null. He specifically bit Baki's brachial artery during their fight and accurately visualized both Sukune and that tibetan mastiff as their vascular systems

>>280003508
Baki has screamed in pain too. Sometimes from way more innocuous shit than having a chunk of skin torn off by Hanayama

>>280003508
Shouldn't Jack be immune to pain to begin with? He probably munches on painkillers hourly

>>279979634
monkey jack

>>280003060
Coins are strong

>>280000980
newfag

>>279985494
This is so cursed.

>>279979634
https://youtu.be/8r3IHDr7M2s

N1GGERS N1GGERS N1GGERS

>>280002366
I thought that even the Jack diehards were in agreement that Pickle was nerfed pretty badly in Rahen.

>>279979159
his fingers here look like little dicks with foreskin

no I am not gay

N1GGERS N1GGERS N1GGERS

Pickle was bleeding from both his brachial arteries, he fucking lost, there is no coming back from that.

>>280005884
Ur gay

>>280001126
Yeah that's the point good job anon

>>280005593
he was just portrayed weirdly in that fight. as if Itagaki didn't know what else to do. I keep thinking about that raptor-like thing Pickle did with his toes that he's never done before. it may as well have been the Yasha Ape. maybe that would've been better because it would be an actual freak show instead of Pickle just sort of looking like a small guy. I used to think about Pickle as this skyscraper monster but now he's just about the same as Dorian and Suedo

>>280002366
>>280005593
>pickle stands around like a retard and jobs to jack
>jack stands around like a retard and jobs to hanayama
Haven't really enjoyed it. We needed more dynamic fights.

>>279999234
Clearly not Itagaki. You didn't actually fall for the "Itagaki is a Japanese nationalist" meme right?

>>280006237
I think it's more that he hates america rather than slurping japan

>>279979514
KEK
Like an oversized toddler. This your hero, Jacksisters?

>>280006380
people cry about Sumo but it'd be like an american saying an american football player is strong cause it's what he knows

>>280000933
kek

>>279979747
Honestly its really satisfying to see his legendary grip strength actually come into play in a fight
It’s crazy how it took this long for them to use it, but i guess he’s never been in a fight dirty enough to justify going that far. Yes even if the convict

>>279993012
I still believe Jack will win. This is his arc afterall.

>>279979959
He's a gatekeeping DPS & DEF check so he's used against a lot of the cast

>>280006633
to be fair even nips thought the sumo stuff was weird.

current retard count

>>279979634
>>279979775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWnKkC4a1Os

>>279979856
>Can't hit without being hit
Sounds familiar...

>>279981968
>A predator wouldn't know where to target its prey
Are you stupid?

This is like the sumo arc all over again
Why build Jack up if you're going to get bored half way through

>>279987116
You need to see an doctor for your reading comprehension.

Musashi was going to split Hanayama in half before Baki got in the way.

>>279983149
Based

>>280007807
Did Jack's run last longer than Sukune's?

>>280007807
Itagaki is second only to God nuking the Dinosaurs with a meteorite when it comes to 'I'm bored of this now, moving on.'

Want Kehaya back.

>>279979690
C'est la vie I don't think Itagaki is proud to share so much culture with the chinese either.

>>280008363
It's such a weird way of going about it though. He literally could have just moved on, have Jack or whoever leave with something ambiguous like they have to find something.

>>279994989
He'll certainly rank among the top whenever the topic comes up, but you can't downplay Inoki and Giant Baba.

>>279979634
embarrassing

I'm getting PTSD flashbacks

>>279979634
It's over. Pathetic.

>>279979634
>>279979775
Ironic that he wanted to see Pickle make a face like this but he's the one who ended up doing it.

>>279980196
Katsumi did beat Hanayama in a straight fight
>>279980300
This whole arc is about Jack learning the value of aesthetics. It may not have a direct and pragmatic use in a fight but aesthetics forge and strengthen the spirit. Too much of an aesthetic can be limiting like a prison or a labyrinth, too little can be an inebriating freedome that makes you fly too close to the sun.

>>280007807
this is standard fare for Hanayama... he fucked Musashi up too even if he ended up losing. what's with all this pantomiming about how over it is for Jack? ffs

>>279980472
If they get crippled ina fight it's on them for being weak. If Jack was like a sadist like his father he would have bitten Ali Jr. Besides, getting crippled doesn't mean you can't fight in this series. We have seen people be active fighters without limbs or eyes.

>>279979334
CARDS…….

>>279979634
NOOOOOT LIKE THISSSSS!!!!!!!!
REF…. JACKSISTERS….. fucking do something

>>279981207
I am fond of that smile

>>280012137
Those massive mythical hands... that didn't really get to do anything before getting nerfed.

>>279979113 (OP)
>chapter 47
What the hell, where have you been getting the chapters the sites I use only have the chapters up to 47.

>>280012554
up to 44*

>>280012589
comick.io

>>280012628
thanks anon

>Hanada did better than Jack against Hanayma

>>280006380
Hating America is for normal for non-americans

>>280011856
It's because after the maximum tournament arc Jack only showed up for the odd fight every so often, it's why Jackfags are screaming that Itagaki is writing Jack out of character, showing up to fight one dude and exit the story until next time doesn't leave for much character growth
And Jack shitting himself because Hanayama gave him a good gripping isn't out of character since this was foreshadowed with his fight with Shinogi. Getting nibbled on the ear made him freak out, of course getting his flesh torn off would be even worse

>>280007100
Did they?

>>280013536
Jealousy does breed contempt, after all

>>280006380
And you know as well as I do why a Japanese person would hate America and it very much has to do with Nationalism of their worst point in history

>>280013808
I think the contempt comes from all the destruction America does around the world

>>280013778
Yeah they disliked it for the most part. Rahen and Sumo Dou seem to have more positive reception from western fans for whatever reason.

>>280014223
Both can be true

A little out of place, but I always liked how Yujiro's body was described in his last fight with Baki.
When Baki hit him, he described his body as rocks covered with a thick layer of rubber.
What an amazing way to describe what a character feels, or what it would feel like to touch another character.

>>280014673
reminds me of this

>>279999099
That's even more stupid. Jack's argument makes sense, martial arts try to equalize the playing field and biting is something anyone can do, even kids or women. Being a freak of nature that can effortlessly pinch your calves out doesn't invalidate the previous point, nor is it something regular people can do for self defense against a stronger opponent, even if you trained for it. You can't just develop that kind of grip strength nor the frame to endure the beating you're gonna take while trying to pull it off.

not reading this slop but how the fuck did Jack lose to Hanayama

>>280014673
Good call. In that same vein I liked the way Sukune described Yujiro

Sorry for animefagging but I started watching this to kill time after lurking these threads all the time
It's so fucking retarded and I love it

>>280013808
why would i be jealous of a people that can't walk downtown without getting robbed

>>279995721
This is a dumb argument, most people would, especially in a life or death sotuation