Has Frieren surpassed former classics of anime like Steins;Gate? Which is the true GOAT and anime of the century?

>>280008411 (OP)
It couldn't even beat Solo Leveling for AOTY lol

Is Frieren that good?

>>280008807
Only the first couple of episodes.

>>280008807
Like 99% of shonen, it has a good solid beginning, and then the author runs out of ideas and it all goes to shit. Overrated as hell.

>>280008411 (OP)
No, but Apothecary Diaries did

>>280008411 (OP)
>Which is the true GOAT and anime of the century?
Neither of them

>>280008411 (OP)
>anime of the century
Lurk for 60 years before trying to pull this nonsense.

>>280008411 (OP)
>Steins;Gate
>classic
The bar keeps getting lower.

>>280008807
It really is not.

>>280008807
>Is Frieren that good?
Apparently so

>>280008411 (OP)
No. It's boring as goddamn hell. Has the same energy as that homework book. What was it? To kill a mockingbird I think.

>>280008411 (OP)
It surpassed them because those “classics” weren’t very good to begin with.

>>280009185
Literally a show for girls.

>>280008411 (OP)
Steins;Gate cannot be surpassed

>>280008411 (OP)
>Has Frieren surpassed
lol

>>280011073
Does that mean I'm a real girl?

>>280010321
>4/10 top10 entries are Gintama

>>280008411 (OP)
Steins;Gate is overrated tripe. This is such a horrible comparison pretending either of these anime are the best out there.

>>280008807
>>280010321
No.
Frieren is boring as fuck.
Also the characters are obnoxious, and there's annoying chromatic aberration over the entire thing.
My guess is that it's popular with normalfags because major anitubers hyped it up for some no other reason than that it was one of the few manga they read, and noticed was getting an adaptation, and because normalfags have obviously never seen anything else.

>>280008807
Absolutely.
As long as you take it for what it is - a slow, introspective journey mixing slice of life with some ocassional action.

>>280010321
It's crazy how big the gap between Frieren and FMA is

>>280008705
fpbp, thread should have closed here

>>280008807
Honestly I saw the anime I struggle to decide what I actually think of Frieren.
For me it is great from the simple merit of not having fucking JRPG game mechanics/iskeai and trying to be it's own world for the reader to discover, the whole theme of enjoying the present is and making connections is good too.
But at the same time it has some odd choices here and there that I feel run counter to what the mangaka first presented, The Magical Exam arc is just one example of it, more than 10 episodes of it, when 5 was already too much imo.
So yeah I like it and I find it good, but it really missed it's potential to be great

>>280008807
Frieren just felt like the opposite of review bombing. Not saying that it's bad, but i can't trust if any anime or game is actually great these days because people will just blindly rate something 10/10 as part of a trend.
I can tell a ton of people only did it to get Frieren to #1 even if they didn't care at all.

>>280008411 (OP)
No. I highly doubt people will talk about anime like Frieren a few years from now once S2 is over.
Compared to SteinsGate or Code Geass etc. which people still talk about decades later.

>>280008705
anime niggers have the absolute worst taste

>>280008807
yes

>>280015525
Fullreddit Malchemist has always been overrated

>>280008411 (OP)
Flavor of month. it has no staying power.

>>280008411 (OP)
>fucking steins gate of all things
>a classic
it's time i stopped using this site

>>280016352
>not having fucking JRPG game mechanics
Classes, dungeons, mimics, dungeons etc. Are these not game mechanics?
Even if its not an isekai, it's pretty clear that the world is more or less game-like. That's what I personally found rather disappointing, the world-building feels kinda half-assed.

>>280020265
There are settings like Konosuba or Vending Machine where the protagonist is spending points on a skill level up on-screen. In this case it's more like loose game inspirations (e.g. the setting has a Carbuncle and Carbuncles are from a game). Clearly, anon was talking about the former? Why do you have to be annoying and pedantic about it every time?

>>280008807
It's probably the best SoL.

>>280021262
Bait post, but normalfags unironically think like this.

>>280008411 (OP)
>Pseudren and Pseud;Gate
>classics

It’s low key buns

Fuhreren: The Final Solution is the best animoe and mongo ever produced by the honorary Aryan nation of GRORIOUS NIPPON.

when the fuck are we getting a new manga chapter? its been almost a year.

>>280019867
newfag moment

>>280008705
based

>>280008411 (OP)
if the characters can't look interested in anything that's going on in the show, why would i? every single image of frieren, every character involved is going :|

>>280026196
>seething maltard
many such cases

>>280026214
s;g has always been /a/core

>>280026227
more people on mal like it than people on /a/

>>280009445
>>280009594
>>280009869
name one anime better than either. you can't

>>280008411 (OP)
Madhouse knows how to do a really good job with their adaptations. They even made Mahouka first season somewhat acceptable for such a terrible LN. Frieren is basically slice of life adventure of the day but in a fantasy setting, tolkien for kids and dummies. Of course it was bound to be popular. But the pressure's gotten to the manga story writer and it's been on hiatus forever so it likely won't get a third season ever. I just hope they end after goddess monument arc and not before.

>>280026266
Literally all of them lmao

>>280026270
>tolkien for kids
>tolkien
>not for kids

>>280008411 (OP)
>Steins;Gate
A 5/10 on a good day.

>>280026284
harry potter is for kids, tolkien is for at least young adults.

>>280026300
don't be contrarian.

>>280026310
NTA but it really is an 8 at best. The most overrated show on this board along with Madoka

>>280026327
don't lump a masterpiece with that time travel story for kids

>>280008411 (OP)
frieren hasn't surpassed it

>>280026327
why do anons who always give low ratings to favorite of all times never state what they think is a good anime...

>>280026300
based dubs of truth

>>280026376
because they're just shitposting obviously

>>280026376
Samurai X Trust and Betrayal is a good show that is better than both

>>280026404
>Diddyni Kenshin

>>280026376
i can do it to yours and can't do it to mine

>>280026376
Also an 8 isn't even a low rating I'm just saying it's not a masterpiece

>>280026327
8 is a fair assessment of it, depending on one's own interests. If it happens to scratch a specific niche itch genre for somebody, it can be elevated to a 9 or even a 10 for them, but for the average viewer, 8 is actually really good and watchable and memorable.

What about Steins Gate is supposed to be good? I expected to like it but it was just completely mediocre.

>>280026662
the mc saved the day

>>280010321
>median score for frieren is 10/10
yeah all those users need to explain themselves. I saw suspicious number of chinese works in the top 150 as I scrolled. heaven's official blessing is rated higher than mushishi...

>>280026662
agree and I say this as a big fan of it. it's thought provoking and the characters are fun. I think they really dropped the ball toward the end. it just has a rabid fan base and also it came out longer ago when anime had a smaller audience and fans had a higher tolerance for cheesy acting and situations. I still have no clue why the video game is rated so highly on steam

>>280008411 (OP)
Frieren isn't even better than Mushishi or Kino's Journey. Let alone something random like Odd taxi.

Frieren was carried by the visuals and cute girls, just like every other normalfag slop.

>>280027230
the mature themes went above your head, i know

>>280008807
yes but it's not for everyone, if you're a brainlet stuff like solo leveling might be more to your speed

>>280027290
what is smart about frieren?

>>280008411 (OP)
Steins;Gate is mid, Frieren is easily better. It gets a lot of hate right now because it's new but I think it will age solidly well.

>>280027085
>all those users need to explain themselves
There isn't much to explain
>Did I like it more than those other shows I gave a 9 to in the past?
Yes
>Does MAL do half ratings?
No

Then I just have to rate it a 10

Absolutely not surprised Frieren is as highly rated as it is
It does action, SOL, fantasy, drama, comedy, romance and all pretty well. It has everything, and 28 episodes worth of it so nothing feels like it's getting short changed.
Excellent production values, pacing is perfect with no sudden changes in pace or tone. There are also no significant flaws, the best people seem to be able to do is repeat nitpicks or highly subjective creative choices. None of which were objectively bad.
It's also about as perfect an adaptation as you could get from that manga, so it doesn't get any hate from people who read the source material first

>>280027246
>mature themes
It went above the author and you as well. Because there is nothing mature about it. Unless you think not having panty shots every 5 minutes makes it """mature""".

It's basically about Frieren unpacking her emotions while going on a second journey by repeating the steps her prior party took. i.e. a journey of discovery and growth for what is essentially a robot.

It then however meanders, loses the plot, gets sidetracked on pointless things for too long like the exam arc because the author is running out of ideas so needs to pull out the hack writer tournament arc padding.
While doing so the author also bogs themselves down into the magic system and structure because they wrote themselves into a corner and the way it is explained and fleshed out actively makes it worse because it's so illogical and poorly thought out (because it obviously wasn't).
It even highlights a confused direction, where everything prior to the exam arc was vastly different in terms of structure, themes and storytelling. Like for two entirely different audiences.
The group huddling up in a cabin over the winter had more value than the entire exam arc.

But this is where you're going to tell me that Frieren blowing up that magic barrier was super awesome while rambling about how everyone but you missing the """mature""" themes.

>>280027365
Anon, many of the characters are such doorknobs and redundant that even a literal nobody character like Aura became a fan favorite because she actually shows emotions and character beyond :|

It's like watching a bad B movie where a terrible actor tries to act stoic but simply can't emote.

>>280026095
frieren has cats in it too which makes it good

>>280027416
frieren blowing up the magic barrier was super awesome

>>280027327
that simply means that the shows you've given a 9 are actually 5 or 6 because that's the maximum frieren deserves (unless the only criteria for you is animation quality)

>>280008807
When the magic school arc begins it feels like filler content and kind of boring. I hope the continued journey north has more focus on adventure and survival amongst the action.

I don't think the magic school episodes are so bad, they're somewhat interesting challenges which are multi purposed. They introduce us more to how magic works, to new characters and show off a bit of mage action. There's also other interesting back stories such as Ubel's and Denken's weaved into them. Ultimately when you're making a show you do need to end it with some excitement and action and I think Frieren strikes a good balance between action, backstory and slice of life well.

>>280020265
>Classes, dungeons, mimics, dungeons etc. Are these not game mechanics?
No, retard. You fucking baboon. You ape-brained gorilla nigger.
You make yourself look like a crayon-eating downie every time you post this.

>>280027685
>I don't think the magic school episodes are so bad, they're somewhat interesting challenges which are multi purposed.
They don't connect to the core themes, linger to long in one location with nothing of relevance happening.

A powerful and feared demon inventing an OP spell getting left by the wayside by the passages of time where what was once special is now mundane and dealt with in a mundane manner is interesting.

That being delusional is a magic superpower is just dumb. Just as dumb as how super autism was something the Predators wanted in that god awful The Predator movie.

>>280008807
Lower your expectations and treat it like you would an average shonen anime. It's a 6.5/10 at best.

>>280027995
>average shonen
it's more like a soft seinen

>>280008411 (OP)
>Has Frieren surpassed former classics of anime
There was an article about Frieren in the Chinese media just the other day saying how it's the best anime Japan has produced in ages and how it totally BTFOd every Shonen Jump series to date

>>280028812
>SnK, One Piece, KnY, JJK, FMA
all trash.
Frieren, being as mediocre as it is, is unironically a better watch that either of those.
>it has already become an immensely influential series.
where the fuck did that come from? and what could it possibly have influenced? when the tournament arc starts, it becomes painfully obvious that the author doesn't actually have any interesting or novel ideas. the beginning of the story simply turned out to be somewhat compelling and easy to digest for normies on an accident. also, the story owes a big fucking thanks to the studio that animated it and the composer.

>>280027311
Other way around.
Frieren is the flavor of the month, but doesn't have the staying power of S;G.

>>280029070
What staying power? Whenever it's brought up on /a/, much of the thread calls it mediocre and overrated.

>>280029170
And yet it still continues to get brought up.
Few people are going to argue that DBZ is the best anime ever made, but it is undeniably more popular the other anime being discussed in this thread.

>>280029397
>And yet it still continues to get brought up.
Increasingly less frequently, and much more critically. Frieren will easily outlast it.

>>280029633
>Increasingly less frequently
steins;gate is 14 years old.
any day, right?
>and much more critically
the only "critique" it gets is that the MC is "annoying" and that the time travel is badly written (and those who say so immediately disengage from the discussion when you try to prove them wrong).
>Frieren will easily outlast it.
it's a quintessential fotm show that will overstay its welcome, correct.
however, it has nothing going for it for people to keep bringing it up in the future, except for the fact that they want to have sex with the elf really bad.

>>280008411 (OP)
It's hard to point out what's so good about Frieren putting aside "le comfy" and "le kys". It's decent enough, but overrated without a shadow of doubt. Few shows surpass Frieren in that regard, so it does feel like a modern classic in a sense.

>>280029170
You mean
>one or two faggots call it mediocre and overrated repeatedly

>>280029170
>Whenever it's brought up on /a/, much of the thread calls it mediocre and overrated.
Whenever it's brought up on /a/, there's 80% chance it was brought up by the same 3 retards who call it mediocre and overrated to, guess what, call it mediocre and overrated 25th time that day, and then whenever discussion arises they embarrass themselves by outing the fact that they speedwatched it.

>>280029070
S;G is mediocre and overrated.

>>280026338
Which is which?

>>280008411 (OP)