So is Char a good guy or bad guy? Or is he an anti-hero? I thought he was a bad guy. Gundum is too confusing.

>>280076097 (OP)
Bad guy in the OG, became more popular than the original MC so they made him more and more good in later media over time

>>280076097 (OP)
>Blonde Aryan x Brown Woman = blonde Aryan child and Black Haired Hitler Child

Interesting genetics

>>280076097 (OP)
There are no good guys or bad guys when it comes to soldiers

Char is there for wanking only. In a way he basically serves no purpose just like the MCs

>>280076186
Eh, the chick who played Yennefer in the live action show was pretty pale for being half Indian.

>>280076152
oh so he's vegeta

>>280076205
Is that supposed to be Amuro??

>>280076152
But the opposite happened. Tomino treated him like George Lucas treated Vader.
>noooooooo
>stop thinking he's cool
>he's really a sad sack
>look I make him even sadder
And in the end Char is so character assasinated he's literally, actually literally, whining on screen about '>tfw no mommy gf' and I'm supposed to take this seriously?

>Gundam is confusing because I need to think for myself and can't rely on everyone being objectively good or evil
So this is the target audience for Gundam these days.

>>280076097 (OP)
Indians are preitter in Anime than IRL

>>280076097 (OP)
He's an anti-villain in the original (and an antagonist to Amuro personally). He's a hero in Zeta. Then the ending of Zeta happens and he loses brain cells (might quite literally have lost brain cells we saw this happen with Tem Ray), and decides to nuke the earth to get Amuro stop him, Amuro does stop him

>>280076912
More like dude started to cling on his father's ideology about Newtypes even more. Seeing how things turned out at the end of Z kind of made him turn into a cynicism. Thus earth had to be destroyed in order for humanity to go to space, so more newtypes could appear.

Of course, all of this in the end was nothing but Char's to cope with the fact that deep inside he was empty. Killing all of Zabi didn't do jack shit to give him piece of mind, and all the CCA was just an excuse to try to do something meaningful with his life, and also cross paths with people that he considered the closest(Amuro Ray).

>>280076097 (OP)
race traitor

>>280076097 (OP)
There's no such thing as "good guys" or "bad guys", we're all just people trying our best to make our way through this crazy mixed-up mess we call life.

But he was an asshole and a moron.

I wonder if Lalah can even get pregnant. I wonder what kind of contraceptives exist in Gundam

>>280076807
That's true for all races

>>280076264
No it's chalia

>>280076264
It looks like Challia Bull to me instead of Amuro.

>>280078102
It's chalia. The nip creator was talking about if Jupiter chalia had to kill another version of char

>>280076344
>Brainlet

Completely missed the entire character of Char.

>>280076264
Pretty much true, Amuro is just there to stonewall any hopes for real change just like Bright is there because he has nothing better to do in his free time.

>>280078159
>nooooooo
>you missed the point
>stop thinking he's cool
Always the defense of the creator who's creation got away form him.
In reality most of Char's sad sack characterization is ex post facto to First Gundam.

>>280078271
Char had a concrete goal in killing the Zabi family keeping him focused. Between completing that (and losing that goal through doing so) and Lalah dying, that's bound to mess someone up. I'm sorry you think anime characters shouldn't have emotions or change over time.

>>280076097 (OP)
Char in 0079
>Fights against tyrannical governments
>Wants to get rid of oldtype subhumans
Char in Zeta
>Fights against tyrannical governments
>Wants to get rid of oldtype subhumans
Char in Counterattack
>Fights against the tyrannical Earth Federation government
>Finally enacts the final solution against oldtypes and Amuro even agrees this must be done eventually
He was always the good guy.

What went wrong bros?

When you learn that antagonist =/= bad person you will graduate from being a shounen babby.

Now that the Director Event ended with the new screening, what's left? The cast Talk Show on July 1?

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>>280078271
>Gigabrainlet pulling words out of his ass.

The more you argue the more you expose how retarded you are.

>>280078590
Amuro not supporting him after he pushed him to commit to it. In CCA he was calling out for Amuro to stop him.

>>280076097 (OP)
He's a good guy those earth noids deserved it

Unironically the only thing char is good for is being a bisexual slut

>>280076097 (OP)
This Char is a good guy. He was going to send the interdimensional traveler away instead of turning her into a superweapon with which to become sole tyrant of humanity. Seeing beyond the time and realizing that an interloper was changing reality to favor him caused him to develop a different sense of responsibility. He's like a demigod in her dream and he completely rejects the opportunity to use invulnerability to force a solution to every conflict by himself. He's doing it without knowing during the OYW because he gets the gundam and enhanced intuition, but after the zeknova he drops off the map and works in obscurity as a scientist getting the thing that will make him mortal built right under the noses of everyone.

So did we ever figure out who Gundam Kaworu was in the end?

Looking at it I thought he might be the soul of the original Gundam given life from Amuro's feelings for and guilt of killing Lalah through some newtype mumbo jumbo.

How did Amuro of all people end up inside a mech is something that needs to be answered. He should be a neet in this universe

>>280079128
I figured it's the Amuro from the original timeline given his specific gripe on seeing the Gundam kill Lalah again. As for how he got that I have no idea.

>>280079128
It's heavily implied that is CCA Amuro or at very least an alternate version of him being inside of the GQuuuuuuX due using parts of the Nu Gundam, it's not Amuro of GQuuuuuuX timeline due being just a normal guy, not a soldier.

Nobody won as hard as Lalah

>>280077844
>I wonder if Lalah can even get pregnant.

I mean she gave birth to those maids right.

>>280078419
>Char had a concrete goal in killing the Zabi family keeping him focused.
Except he stopped caring about it when he met Lalah, he only goes back to at the end when Sayla reminds him

>>280078590
Losing Kamille. Despite how much lectured him he really valued Kamille and saw him as the future. Without him Char lost hope and became disillusioned that humanity could ever grow except by force.
Crazy how such a pivitol moment for Char is exclusive to a ps1 game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMz7YHPIiI

>>280079835
I still think Kamille was never meant to recover. All we got in ZZ was him dancing and running, which he could do in his retarded state anyways. The manga that shows him alive and well isn't even canon.

>>280080034
Kamille was in the process of recovering as ZZ goes on. When Judau and co meet him in Dublin he's capable of walking around on his own and telepathically talks to everyone. There's really nothing to suggest he wasn't intended to recover.

>>280078728
Unironically in one of the Gihren's Greed games has one ending that Amuro joins Neo Zeon and becomes the tard wrangler of Char, it prevents the events of CCA.

>>280080131
Not that anon but I'd guess he meant it in the context of Zeta Gundam and the greater story of UC, which I kinda agree with.

Sticking with the consequences for such a tragic ending takes guts but it creates a more true to life parallel to real life conflicts imo.

What was that speech Char gave in Zeta all about?

>>280080337
the usual shit everyone needs to go into space blah blah stop polluting the earth blah blah

>>280076097 (OP)
Who cares, this shit sucked

>>280079713
If they ever make a sequel season/movie and expand upon I'm certain it's going to be revealed to be the floating T.

>>280080131
How much control did Tomino even have over ZZ at that point? He was working on CCA.

Char's tantrum doesn't make sense if Kamille gets better and is a happy doctor helping people in Von Braun.

>>280076097 (OP)
You aren't supposed to root for him but he's cool and handsome so who cares

>>280078532
You do realize that you're the oldtype subhuman right?

>>280078590
He lost the child he groomed

>>280080621
Peer pressure got to him, everyone around him was telling him that Zeta ended on a very depressing note so he had to go back to having a happy comedic vibe in the sequel. He should have gone the other way around and kept on portraying the sad and grief from the original crew, and then you shift to a hopeful tone as the new crew overcomes the challenges of a post-zeta world.

>>280080621
>How much control did Tomino even have over ZZ at that point? He was working on CCA.
He was the director and had full control throughout. We know this because the staff begged him to retcon Leina's death (which he eventually did) but wouldn't have happened if he didn't okay it. He had the last word on everything.

>>280076152
Explain how he was the bad guy
Btw being the main antagonist/villain doesn't mean bad guy.

>>280076245
>UNIVERSE!!!!!
Gigi will save him.

>>280079788
I can't see them any other way. They're free to come from different timelines. Be surprised to have a (half) sister and a young mother.

>>280076097 (OP)
Char is a broken man, he tried to change for good in Zeta after his pretty much foster child Kamille told him to stop running away from his responsibilities and he really tried to change for the better, but after what happened to Kamille he kinda lost hope in humanity and decided to take extreme actions in order for Amuro to stop him telling him
>tfw no mommy gf
Which means Char feels lonely and broken because everyone who is important to him end up dead or mentally destroyed.

>>280080131
I remember reading something about Kamille eventually recovering but getting PTSD when entering a cockpit so he never pilots another mobile suit in his life and lives a nice life alongside Fa.

>>280080417
idk, I'm still torn about it on a molecular level/, and pic rel didn't even cover this "UCesque" shitsahow.

I am so sad that Tomino will die in the next 4 years and the GUNDAM shits the bed itself.

>>280076097 (OP)
wtf?? gundam wnet woke? the west has fallen...

He really fucking lost it after Zeta

>>280080649
>you do realize
Yes, and so are you. Your whataboutism doesn't make Char or what that anon said wrong.

one of the original loliGODs

>What?
>gets transported to gayverse 2.0

>>280081163
t. Gyunei

>>280076097 (OP)
Just like his creator — he is a double digit IQ cock-mongling retard, don't think too hard about it. Gundam isn't about a coherent plot or writing, it's about selling toys and cute retarded girls

>>280081273
>Girls

>>280081286
well

>>280079080
>Gundam Kaworu
Ral did make a cameo

>>280079080
OH MY GOD I RECOGNIZE THAT

>>280080562
If sequel comes out, i wouldn't be surprised if we see a full appearance of the alternate version of Amuro that is in the Gundam and Amuro that lives in the GQuuuuuuX timeline.

>>280076097 (OP)
His entire family were good guys forced into bad situations. Zeon was the correct side, it was just hamstrung and doomed for failure under Zabi leadership after they forcefully took control.

>>280081575
You're extremely close but not quite.

Is it true that the Jews are operating everything in Gundam from the shadows?

>>280082516
Johann (((Abraham))) Revil

>>280082516
Actually it's the Joves

>>280076097 (OP)
He's just a guy
Just him

>>280078590
>tfw no Lalah
>Kamille got turned into a potato
>Amuro bailed on him and their political endeavours despite saying he'll totally support him
>Feddies
>Artesia pretty much ignores him
Amuro was his only friend at that point and he fucked up hard, Char going full despair in CCA was inevitable

>>280076097 (OP)
How's the post CCA Tomino Gundam? I lost interest in Victory and have never seen any discussion of it on /a/. Should I press on or move on to non-Tomino Gundam?

>>280076186
It's called anime genetics. Every kid either looks like their mom or dad but with the other parent's eyes

>>280076538
I mean trying to csuse another extinction event IS pretty evil

>>280084484
If you mean UC in general, watch Gundam Unicorn and only that one after.

>>280084484
Victory is ass outside of Shakti and Marbet, there's some decent moments here and there but it's largely bad, Katejina is a legendary Tomino woman at least, and the general retardation can be fairly entertaining if you take it at face value.
Turn A is good IF and only if you're ready to watch a Gundam show that isn't really about the gundam and the fights, it's pretty good outside of a select couple of episodes that kinda drag, if you just want action and "WOW, COOL ROBOTS" you'll probably hate it, if you're in for the characters you'll probably like it a lot, unless you like Sochie, if you like Sochie you're in for pain.
G-Reco is...okay-ish if we're considering the full package of show+movies, pretty good looking but overall it was fairly rushed at times and needed more time, for some things it's largely another serving of Turn A but it's more formulaic and safe and nowhere as interesting as Turn A in terms of narrative imo, Tomino sorta relapses into old habits he broke free with Turn A but the pussy game in G-Reco is also unreal so there's that, if Turn A is romantic Tomino G-Reco is definitely horny Tomino.

>>280084627
>>280084684
Thanks for the response. I'll probably brute force Victory before moving on to better stuff just for a more rounded experience of the development of Gundam. How about non-Tomino Gundams? I tried watching Witch, but it contained nothing I liked about the original series, and I'm still not sure how I feel about Gquu. I also watched G Gundam when I was a kid and loved it.

>>280084809
Some of the spinoffs within UC are pretty good if they count. War in the Pocket, 8th MS Team and Hathaway's Flash (though only one movie is out) comes to mind.

As for outside that and the ones the other anon mentioned, I'm not sure Gundam Wing holds up outside of nostalgia for me, and I know Gundam 00 is generally well regarded but haven't seen it. I personally didn't like the more personal drama angle the Seed series took but some people are into that.

>>280080562
But the T is Chan? Newtype ghosts don't even need to possess an object anyway, they just fucking 'are'.

>>280080378
How about you stop nuking and colony dropping it? Earth still has resources YOU FUCKING NEED. Earth still produces newtypes, not just people born on colonies. Fuck you Char you piece of shit.

Earth was never fucked up enough during any phase of a 'on earth' segment in UC. After all the nuking and 3 drops the sky is still somehow fucking blue, no perpetual smog etc. We've even got zones of opulence and great greenery. Tomino dropped the ball there so hard.

>>280084809
>>280085148
00 S1 is great. S2 is, not. ALIENS AYYYYYY Wing probably ain't good if you didn't see it (fragmented) as a kid. Various UC movie things are okay, but rushed, then need manga/novel etc to flesh it out.

X is okay, different, but also rushed (axed). G is basically a comedy-action super robot. I haven't touched SEED beyond like 2 eps, IBO S1 was fine, I never got around to S2, some say it's 'bad' or just cliche in how they all die/fail. Witch was wasted potential, more so than GQ I think.

Oh AGE, I got through like the first generation and stopped. 'For kids' attempt. Never touched one of the builds. G-reco needed way more episodes, someone also needed to reign in Tomino's fucking insane dialog.

>>280076152
There are no bad or good guys in Gundam.

>>280085784
The first Build Fighters is unironically one of the best post-2000 Gundam shows.

>>280076097 (OP)
Char is Char, why is this confusing to you

Char has a nice design and nice moments every now and then but I think he's practically a non character

>>280084809
>How about non-Tomino Gundams
Taking out G and the various minor spinoffs:
>Wing
Dagwon but Gundam, super gay, Treize is fun, Tallgeese is awesome and the cure for cancer, overall decent production values and some cool music but everything else is retarded
>X
A show so aggressively and inoffensively boring most people forget it exists, does nothing particularly wrong but also does nothing particularly right either, Tiffa is love though, also dolphin sex.
>Sneed
Basically AU 0079, some people love it, some people hate it, I'm in the latter camp, I just can't stand Fukuda personally
>00
Another Dagwon-ish boy band Gundam, pretty much Wing done right, still very, very gay but nowhere as retarded as Wing, in fact it's actually largely decent writing wise, very cool mech designs as well thanks to Yanase.
>Age
The Flit Asuno show, if you like Flit it's okay, but the quality steadily gets worse as the show progresses, if you don't like Flit and his genocide boner for Vegans then you have no business watching this, pretty bad
>IBO
A trainwwreck, just as back as Gcucks but at least Gcucks has good animation and girls, IBO has none of that AND it's super duper gay, like prison gay and not the fun kind of gay like Wing
>Witch From Mercury
Another trainwreck, but nowhere as bad as IBO, tries to be Utena with toy robots but ends up being super boring and really goes nowhere, only watch it if you like cute girls being gay for each other
>Build Fighters shows
You have no business watching this unless you watched all of the above AND all of UC, it's just a fanservice show for gunotas, and it's mildly decent at that, if not terribly boring most of the times

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>>280087267
R.I.P.
#DicksOutForHarambe

>>280084684
>unless you like Sochie, if you like Sochie you're in for pain.
Diana is gonna die in a few years anyway. Loran is missing out since she doesn't love him.