Why does Japan hate Chainsaw Man so much?

>>280088013 (OP)
Because part 2 is pure shipper slop

i don't know i'm not Japanese

>>280088013 (OP)
part 2 is to blame

>>280088013 (OP)
Everyone with a brain hates that pile of shit

>>280088013 (OP)
Shitty anime adaption + part 2 being bad killed it beyond saving. Idk how much longer it will limp on with sales that will soon be under 100k/volume

>>280088013 (OP)
The worst a manga can be is boring, it can have dogshit art, awful writing, but it doesn't matter as long as it is not boring, chainsaw man is sadly a very boring manga on top of having dogshit art and awful writing

>>280088058
Also this.
It has nothing else worth looking after

>>280088013 (OP)
>CSM is free in J+
>duuuh why are sales falling
Man this schizo is both desperate and retarded

>>280088318
>Reddit rankings
The thread is about the Japanese audience and if people are not buying the manga then they are not reading it online either. It's simply just a lack of interest

>>280088318
the views are also in free fall

denji is a used up character that shouldn't have been reintroduced unless he was looking for blood devil

>>280088215
Anime only here, what did the adaptation do wrong or ruin from the source material? I think my chief complaint with Chainsaw Man (the anime) was that it was rushed and didn't give enough time to actually get invested in the characters, resulting in the emotional beats being weak and payoffs almost totally absent.

>>280088449
The director ryu nakayama hates anime and adapted it like a western movie, which makes it lack the sovl part 1 had.

>>280088519
It is interesting how a different treatment can make the same story or script feel like a wholly different beast.
I did definitely get a "western" vibe from the CSM anime, which for me personally, is a turn-off.

once flop always flop

>>280088318
>Karma score
Do chensokek really?

>>280088013 (OP)
I don't think the second part does anything well. The art has deteriorated massively, Denji somehow became more fucking retarded, the side characters aren't really enjoyable and the main plot has just been fucking "meh" at best for me.
I honestly would rather have no part 2 at all.

>>280088013 (OP)
Part 2 is cheap in all fronts. Denji is facing the same problems, the art is worse, the cast is non existent. Even the humour seems cheaper now
It doesn't seem to bring anything interesting to the table.
Asa is just... there. It had an ok start but everything got significantly worse after the chainsaw cult.

>>280088013 (OP)
>>280088318
>unpopular in its homeland
>while also being extremely popular on Reddit at the same time
Truly slop of the highest order.

>>280088013 (OP)
Wow, it almost looks like a Gaussian distribution. Impressive.

>>280089139
good thing it's not popular here at all, never really see any csm threads.

>>280088013 (OP)
Japan is a country of extarorindarily shitty taste
Daily reminder that japanese fags think Big O is lame
Daily reminder that japanese fags think Zelda is a shitty series and the franchise only started selling the amount of copies it did in its early NES/SNES era through Breath of the Wild
Daily reminder that japanese fags actively hate on Sonic the Hedgehog more-so than gaming journos
Daily reminder that japanese fags were such a burden towards Suda 51 that it almost closed Grasshopper if it weren't for No More Heroes overseas success giving the company more job opportunities
Daily reminder that japanese fags don't care about Metroid or Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Daily reminder that japanese fags actively ignoring Capcom's 2D output in arcades lead to the dark age of Capcom fighters up until Street Fighter IV because they only cared about Virtua Fighter
Daily reminder that Japanese fags barely play SNK games outside of Fatal Fury
Daily reminder that Japanese fags hated Tim Burton's Batman
Daily reminder that during a poll with japanese fags on popular anime on MAL they rated Bunny Senpai and the Sword Art Online spin-off higher than Vinland and JoJo
Daily reminder that japanese fags rated battles from Dragonball Super higher than several moments from OG DB and Z (that includes the battles against Moro and a spar between Beast Gohan and Goku being higher than those against Majin Vegeta, Cell and Piccolo Jr)
Daily reminder that the highest watching american show in Japan in the current year is The Walking Dead
Daily reminder that most "Cinephile" japanese fags think Kurosawa is a bad director

Call me hyperbolic but jesus christ, I'm not taking opinions from a country whose Otaku population has the worst taste known to man

>>280089802
>Daily reminder that japanese fags were such a burden towards Suda 51 that it almost closed Grasshopper if it weren't for No More Heroes overseas success giving the company more job opportunities
Everything aside of this one is actually based. I love NMH
That being said, OP sucks cocks

>>280088013 (OP)
I read it has a leading character die, that usually is enough to make me hate a series. It's certainly happened in the past as it happened with gurren lagann, code geass, gunslinger girl and others that I've memory holed. I haven't read chainsaw man, and I have literally zero interest after seeing that tag, but maybe that's a reason people hate it?

>>280088013 (OP)
>Japan
It fell even below Boruto in mangaplus which is a moslty a US used website. Part 2 is so shit even americans are dropping it

>>280090063
LMAOOOOOO

>>280088013 (OP)
because it isn't anime

>>280089802
They're right on this one, part 2 sucks ass

>>280090063
Its actually never been more over for chensokeks

Don't care, just wanna see Miri again

>>280090063
>It fell even below Boruto in mangaplus
there wasnt a chapter last week, retard

>>280090213
Boruto's last chapter was 2 weeks ago

>>280090051
More like it had ALL the leading characters die, apart from one.
P2 cast is pretty much completely new, and obviously the Japanese audience hasn't fallen in love with them the same way they did with P1 characters.

>>280090420
>obviously the Japanese audience hasn't fallen in love with them the same way they did with P1 characters
No shit, 3 of these 4 can barely be called a character

>>280089802
>Daily reminder that japanese fags actively hate on Sonic the Hedgehog more-so than gaming journos
Based as fuck, genocide sonic fans

The last few chapters are confusing to me.
There's an "anti-binge" protection to this manga. Like, every goddamn chapter something is happening and every goddamn time it now confuses me.

I am enjoying it, but what the fuck is Fujimoto cooking? I just can't parse what's happening right now.

>>280088013 (OP)
Because Part 2 is a deconstruction of the male manga protagonist. Denji is a loser who actually acts like a loser and gets no reward. His life became hell because of Chainsawman. Japanese otaku and the retards from /a/ want a loser protagonist who is secretly awesome and manages to attract a whole harem of waifus for himself.

CSM isn't commercial slop, it's Fujimoto writing what he wants and this upset bugmen.

>>280090420
Haha, no wonder it's fucking hated then. I genuinely don't understand why writers do that, having tragedy in any form doesn't make your story any more enjoyable.

>>280090051
It killed off not one but SEVERAL major characters. Bold choice for a shounen manga and I feel like Fujimoto had zero fucks to give, which I low key kind of respect.

But damn, if it didn't kill the merchandising and hype for the series. It would be like if Oda killed off everyone in Luffy's crew and then started following Boa Hancock for a while as the lead and you saw Luffy become a supporting character in his own series. Again, a very bold choice but it's painfully obvious why the hype is dying for the series.

>>280090542
The current arc is mainly about Denji's coping mechanisms breaking apart.

>>280090684
>His life became hell because of Chainsawman
the "Hell" in question

>>280089802
EXTREMELY based post. Bugmen want to consoom waifu pillows.

>>280090734
And we respect them for it. They have no desire to pretend to enjoy "mature" and "challenging" stories, just give them enjoyable sloppa and cute waifus and they love it. Just like me.

>>280090684
Fujimoto, you were the one who made the entire cast of evil dominatrix women and put your self-insert through humiliation fetish shenanigans every other chapter.

>>280090063
On one hand
>Lower than Boruto
Lmao

But wtf is wrong with Americans that these are even in the top 3 anyway? The Japanese gave up Boruto years ago, sales are terrible

>>280090684
>Japanese otaku and the retards from /a/ want a loser protagonist who is secretly awesome and manages to attract a whole harem of waifus for himself.
The irony is the reverse trend. Harem protagonists recently are super openly awesome, cool, and competent. Denji is a selfish, pathetic loser obsessed with fame and glory and it tore him to shreds.

>>280090713
>Kill all the major characters
>In a fucking shounen
Holy shit the mangaka is clearly retarded.

>>280090420
>>280090712
Did... did you guys read anything Fujimoto wrote before CSM? Firepunch, at least?
>>280090713
His biggest mistake was releasing CSM on shonen plus. The manga is barely a shonen.

>>280090712
Well, it was sort of the "hook" for part one, to make it seem like no character is safe. But you can't sustain that type of "car crash" writing for very long, until you run out of established characters that people care about.
P2 is more slow-paced and lacks high-profile deaths, apart from one. Fujimoto also didn't really build a new "crew" to replace the old, but rather focused on just a few individuals, one of whom is basically two characters in one body.

>>280090994
>Did... did you guys read anything Fujimoto wrote before CSM? Firepunch, at least?
No. I avoid tragic stories like the plague, if his previous works had those elements I would have very likely shitcanned them way before reading the first page.

you are all retards

>>280090848
>1. One Piece
Its number 1 everywhere
>2. Boruto
Americans and their obssession with Naruto
>3. CSM
Also americans love CSM way more than nips

>>280088013 (OP)
Part 2 is just unbelievably bad. If sunk cost wasn't a thing, no one would still be reading this gigantic nothingburger.

>>280090918
>pathetic loser obsessed with fame and glory and it tore him to shreds.
the worst part is fujimoto doesn't explore that beyond the surface, instead he focuses on retarded shit like fakesaw man or famine

>>280090714
Yes, that is the general theme.
Also that Asa is the superior girl compared to Makima and any other girl in Chainsawman.

But still, too much is happening in every chapter, it's a clusterfuck.

>>280091002
That sounds like an absolutely awful thing to read, no wonder people hate it.

>>280088013 (OP)
Real question is: why doesn't the world hate Chainsaw Man enough?

>>280091438
Seems like the common criticism is that too little is happening. P1 chapters were way more "packed" while P2 chapters basically just have one thing happening at once.

The double combo of Ryu Nakayama and Shart 2 killed CSM

>>280088013 (OP)
Albert Mitaka killed it

>>280088013 (OP)
Can't speak for the japanese but I just can't feel engaged with Denji anymore.

I suppose that, if I look at it as part 2 as a whole, I can kinda see the purpose of depicting Denji's current life as a downwards spiral after losing everything in part 1, now living in constant coping and denial, but the sheer number of chapters and IRL years spent on it have become grating. Part 1 Denji was fun because it felt like he was building a fucking life, meeting people, before the ending ripped it all away from him. Part 2 is seemingly doing the same thing but I don't think it did a good job at the building part.

>Relationship with Asa is too on and off. They sometimes meet then spend long periods of time not in speaking terms.
>Yoshida did nothing more than constantly shit on Denji and threaten him
>Fumiko looked like she might have gotten somewhere but then immediately defected back to Public Safety
>Swordboy looked interesting as a fellow weapon but went back to his cult after like 2 chapters
>Nayuta was the most solid one, but she came from part 1 and was an almost non-entity for a good portion of part 2 before getting offed.
>Other characters appear for a bit but are kicked out of the plot before they leave lasting impact, like the return of Katana, the school kids, or the Nail Fiend

>>280091438
>Also that Asa is the superior girl compared to Makima and any other girl in Chainsawman.
I too love doormat characters and beta orbiters.

>>280091627
this
part 2 should have been about denji raising nayuta and searching for the blood devil

>>280091627
In P1 readers were rooting for an underdog to build a decent life for himself
In P2 you're basically witnessing it all go to shit, partly because he wasn't content with just an ordinary life.
I just don't think the majority of readers were ever going to enjoy that ride as much as P1. It was clearly the running theme of the manga from day one though.

>>280090684
You're giving Fujimoto too much credit. If he genuinely wanted to do some more with the idea of Denji getting manipulated by every woman he meets, he wouldn't have just used the Himeno scene like a fucking stamp every couple of months.

>>280091994
>Denji wasnt happy raising the devil that killed his found family and ruined his life
Woah

>>280092097
He was happy though, it just wasn't enough for him, that's the point

To be fair, you need to have an IQ/EQ of atleast 100 to truly understand and appreciate CSM Part 2

>>280090420
>JK
>JK
>JK
>JK
Chainsaw man?

>>280092430
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/news-and-opinion/japan-tops-iq-list-as-worlds-smartest-nation/

>>280092174
I'm not sure anything will ever be enough as long as Pochita is in him. Their contract is to basically have Denji show him more and more of his dreams, which others have misunderstood as Denji living a "normal life".
It seems Pochita basically considered Denji's "dream of a normal life" as having already been completed, therefore it pushed Denji to attain more, which is why that chapter is named "The dream's next stage".
Fujimoto himself said in an interview that "heroes" with abnormal abilities, can never live "ordinary" lives.

Cope bleachtranny, the volumes will retroactively sell as the anime keeps up with the manga. You seem to forget we're only 1 season in. Now go bump your dying general.

>>280092508
Bleach out of nowhere?

>>280092483
Japan is 120 IQ but only 35 EQ per capita.

>>280092645
why do you think EQ is a good metric retard, all countries with high EQ are shitholes

>>280092698
CSM is popular in these countries though

>>280089802
sf3 was fucking kuso

>>280092698
fucking kek

>>280092645
>>280091892
Asa isn't an emotional doormat. She is superior in every way to every girl in the series. She is, if anything, emotionally mature. She is developing so much in terms of character.

I've been a supporter of Asa since DAY ONE I still support her now.

>>280092698
That guy has a point, those countries are Part 2's main audience.

>>280093067
>She is superior
she is the reason the manga is dead

>>280092430
>Nayuta or CSM
>Denji: CSM
Alright, he chose like shit by his own admision, but did Fujimoto really need to make him so pathetic after that? The reading experience felt off a cliff because of that

>>280092495
So you're saying csm needs to die so denji can be at peace?

>>280091002
>Well, it was sort of the "hook" for part one, to make it seem like no character is safe.
I hate this idea, which many shonenfags defend, that to show that your work has stakes you need to kill off the characters (hello JJK). I think it's braver for an author to try to redeem an asshole (not through talk no jutsu and power of friendship, of course) than to adopt the "car crash" route.

>>280091188
>Also americans love CSM way more than nips
Americans love shock value, no wonder shit like TWD and GoT lasted so long.

>>280091456
The world stopped caring

>>280091149
He probably tried to attain super absurdity in the prison chapters and he failed really hard. It was also present in the aging arc but it was whatever there

>>280092483
Seems like they practice on those IQ tests as hard as they do with their university entrance exams

>>280093635
massive copium

>>280093251
Yes. That is, if Denji even genuinely wants to live in peace. So far he doesn't.
But Fujimoto did say that a story like CSM must end with the hero quitting. P2 is all about setting the stage for that to happen, from what it seems, which is why it's so punishing on Denji for being CSM while in P1 he was mainly rewarded for it.
"Fujimoto: what I think is the most correct type of ending for a hero story is to quit being a hero, but Denji wouldn't quit, so I had no choice but to make Part 2."

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Post would rise when we gave the dump
Now in the morning, I post alone
Necrobump the thread I used to own
I used to roll the dubs
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listened as the crowd would sing
Now the /snk/ king is dead, long live the /csm/
One minute, I held the trips
Next, the posting were banned on me
And I discovered that all my threads stand
Upon pillars of shitposts and pillers of bans
I hear discord notifications a-ringing
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Be my derailing, my bots and proxies
My ‘cord missionaries in a foreign board
For some reason, I can't explain
Once you'd gone, there was never
Never an honest thread
And that was when I ruled the board…

>>280093189
Denji has always been pathetic, plus he got a handy afterwards so it was all good on his eyes

>>280088013 (OP)
It's not a Japan thing, it's a normal human thing.
Part 2 is just badly written, that's all there is to it

>>280093873
Now I see just how important the other characters were in Part 1. They didn't let the focus be on Denji for too long, lest this happens.

>>280089582
>"I personally don't see it therefore is unpopular"

>>280088013 (OP)
Why are the anti-CSM posters the most schizophrenic people around here? because no one should care this much about a decline of a manga that you don't even like.

>>280093067
>I am a toxic woman
>I'll just stop thinking about unpleasant things and only think about fun things
>I am very mature by the way. I'm telling you directly instead of through my actions!

>>280094209
Both are true

>>280094381
Huh? i am just curious why /a/ thinks csm flopped

>>280088013 (OP)
It's fucking ugly

>>280094381
*Why the anti-CSM posters

>>280094381
If you want a circle-jerk thread, stop crying and make your own.

>>280094461
let's drop the pretense that you care about /a/ shitty opinions, you want to shit on the manga in every way you can. Because even if you dislike the manga which is perfectly valid opinion by itself, nobody should give this much of a fuck about a manga they dislike and their sales if they had a decline or not, unless you are mentally ill.
>>280094501
Just because i think those people are genuinely schizophrenics, doesn't mean i want a circlejerk (these threads are also a circlejerk, but you don't want to admit that), if people dislike something that is fine since they are their own opinions, but don't be a fucking schizo about it.

>>280095033
>let's drop the pretense that you care about /a/ shitty opinions
but i do care, otherwise i would have asked on twitter or whatever

fujimoto really needs his assistants to bounce ideas around, on his own he stumbles in serialization

>>280094381
I despise shart poo and everything it stands for, i will not rest until every single soul on /a/ hates it.

>>280095312
So his just a bad mangaka?

If you literally need assistance with background, fight choreography, character dynamics, storytelling, subtext and cool visuals.

Are you then the real author?

>>280095450
99% of mangaka use assistants for all sorts of shit, including writing, what kinda retarded question is that?

>>280088013 (OP)
Volume 10-11 is where the most liked character in Japan and probably internationally too was killed off and removed from the series. Series went on soul searching hiatus after that to start off part 2. Anime came out around when part 2 started, so naturally it got the anime boost. Anime wasn't great especially the second half, so once people realized volume 12 and 13 onward is nothing like part 1 and is just slop, it dropped off quick. It's really that simple.

>>280093791
>Flopping, Flopping, it's coming!
>Flopping, Flopping!
>Beware!
>Coming for you!

>All I ever wanted to see was CSM make a lot of ka-ching
>I never wanted to compete with the KnY kings, I swear
>All I ever wanted to see was an adaptation without CGI
>I never wanted MAPPA to make me cry, I swear

>I'm coping, I'm seething
>I'm burning, I'm burning
>You tell me what have I missed?
>Hiding in generals because these sales don't exist

>If I lose it all, slip and fall
>I will retreat to /csm/
>If I lose it all, lose it all, lose it all
>If I lose it all on Oricon
>Live to cope another day
>I don't want anything, I'm just here to...
>Beware!

>All I ever wanted to do was become the next big thing?
>I'm shocked by the lack of boost the anime brings, oh, oh-yeah
>Oh-oh, ooh-oh-oh
>Part 2 is just too dumb, immature and uneven
>Like kids stay up all night writing edgy shonen, oh yeah
>How do you see me? Oh yeah
>Am I who I used to be?

>Beware!

>Nobody knows what's inside of me
>Nobody knows what's inside of me
>Nobody knows what's inside of me
>Ah

>If I lose it all, slip and fall
>Will /a/ laugh at me?
>If I lose it all, lose it all
>Ah-ah-ah, ah-ah

>If I lose it all, slip and fall
>I will always deflect away
>If I lose it all, lose it all, lose it all
>If I lose it all on Oricon
>Live to cope another day
>I don't want anything, I'm just here to...

>Beware!

>Flopping, Flopping, it's coming!
>Flopping, Flopping!
>Coming for you!
>Flopping, Flopping, it's coming!
>Flopping, Flopping!

>>280088013 (OP)
Asaden is a shit ship and the worst decision ever made was to make part 2 about it

>>280088013 (OP)
Because readers expected part 2 was going to be about Denji raising Nayuta and searching for Power, no one wanted or needed Asa/Yoru

>>280095312
>>280095450
>>280095514
Assistants have zero input in the writing, storyboards and characters, stop parroting about the assistants are more important than they are in reality.

>>280095960
There was clearly a ghost writer in part 1, whether you like it or not

>>280088013 (OP)
Have you seen the art recently?

>>280088449
>Anime only here, what did the adaptation do wrong or ruin from the source material?
Ohh, boy sit down, I'll try to be brief and avoid spoilers
>Tone
The anime completely butchered the tone and some of the characters. It goes beyond a muted color palette, everyone is less expressive, Denji is less introspective, the Gore suffers a great deal because it now looks "sanitized" instead of crude and disgusting.
The adaptation overall pushes a style that clashes with CSM's identity and it shows
>Denji and Makima
These two are the most important pieces in Chainsawman and the anime completely butchers them.
Denji's inner monologues are cut short making him feel more like a Brainless idiot rather than a guy who struggles to find his place in a new life while discovering what he really needs to be happy, it doesn't help that they cut the fight against muscle Devil who showcases Denji's quick thinking
Makima on the other hand got the short end of the stick.
They handled her in a extremely blunt way, making her EVEN less expressive and leaving very little to the imagination when it comes the character (I won't say anything about future manga developments but I'm 80% sure you and any anime only can already guess what's up with her)
>Pacing
CSM part 1 is a frenetic manga, it reads really fast and there's always something happening or making you second guess stuff you took for granted, and the story only goes up with it's stakes and action.
The anime instead makes it feel like CSM is some kind of slow burn thriller or something, and that's not the case at all.
Just like Denji the readers rarely get enough time to think and let things settle up, stuff changes and explodes all the time and the journey is not only fast paced but also emotional and leaves room for introspection, something the cold and silent anime adaptation definitely doesn't showcase at all

>>280096068
The art is starting to look passable again, mainly with the effort of background assistants (and Fujimoto not completely trolling with the faces he draws), but it was pretty rough for a long time.
For a manga with little dialogue like CSM, art is pretty important.

>>280088013 (OP)
CSM is going to hit 100m circulation as long as it goes on for 30-40 volumes

>>280088397
can someone enter the jp app and screencap current views?

>>280096624
https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/17106567266627682485
Do it for youself, i can't read moonrunes

>>280096212
>avoid spoilers
Why? Spoilers make people enjoy stories more. And in the case of this particular story, the more you spoil, the more likely it is that the person avoids delving in it in the first place and saves themselves a lot of annoyance.

>>280096847
I can't be arsed to switch my region on iphone, you can't see views on website

>>280088013 (OP)
Was it ever revered in Japan? Selling 500k per volume as its peak isnt even that big of a deal and last year I dont think it even hit top 10 most mangas sold. It may have been big in NA because muh shock value and muh main character is relatable but I dont think nips ever gave that much of a shit about it.

>>280098103
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-01-03/my-hero-academia-manga-has-over-30-million-copies-in-circulation/.168089

MHA had 30m by volume 29

meanwhile csm

https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2360195/full//

30m by vol 19

csm had higher appeal in japan than MHA did

>>280088013 (OP)
you do realize you're talking about the biggest manga on mangaplus, right?

>>280098960
already surpassed by boruto and one piece

>>280088318
What did you mean by this?

>>280098960
bro


https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/ranking/hottest

>>280099611
Your pic is outdated, OP is 1 and Boruto is 2 now

>>280098960
I dont think this is a one piece thread

>>280100182
that's the most recent if you click the link

>>280098773
>Chensofag misrepresenting facts because his shitty series can't sell for shit
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-04-01/my-hero-academia-manga-has-over-50-million-copies-in-circulation-worldwide/.171391
MHA actually circulated 50 million worldwide in 30 volumes. The OVER 30 million figure (37 million by vol 30) was Japan only. Meanwhile CSM's WORLDWIDE circulation is only 30 million in 20 volumes.

>>280088013 (OP)
They just hate Asa

>>280100289
nvm it was cache issue, that's not a big difference between all three imo tho
though boruto is 1# if you adjust by chapter releases numbers and csm 2nd since it releases 2 chapters to op 3

>>280098987
>one piece is 1 even in the US now
Total Oda victory

>>280100353
early asacentric volumes sold 400k and 500k in the 1st month

>>280100339
>CSM's WORLDWIDE circulation
give a single source that csm circulation is worldwide

>>280089802
Most of these are signs of good taste

>>280100381
Circulation numbers are worldwide by default across all series unless explicitly stated otherwise

>>280100456
Wrong, its japan only unless started otherwise
keep coping

>>280100380
That's just because the anime was airing, Japs bought them because that was CSM's height of popularity and when they saw Asa was in them they went wtf and sales started dropping

>>280100456
The opposite, when its worldwide they explicitly say worldwide, you can go and check all circulation announcements
CSM number is japan only

>>280100478
You don't know jackshit about sales then. SnK, SxF, and all other series much bigger and more successful than CSM circulation numbers are worldwide

>>280100503
Asa got dropped for like a year during church arc and the sales didn't come back

>>280100601
who brought there? yes snk and sxf have announced worldwide numbers
csm number is not worldwide though

>>280100585
>>280100632
Show me proof it's Japan only then

>>280100728
go look at mha annoucements when its pre japan and when they announce worldwide, look at the japanese words, explictly saying worldwide

thats your proof

>>280100752
Notice how the MHA chart specifies Japan only.
>>280088013 (OP)
Notice how this chart doesn't.
Finally, notice how MHA's chart consistently has high enough sales to warrant a Japan only circulation number, while CSM small sales do not

>>280088013 (OP)
This is the one series I just can't understand the hype for. It's so....gay.

>>280100867
Are you stupid or just pretending? look at the original Japanese announcements, you can read right?

>>280100934
it's cool, especially part 1

>>280100942
Still no proof. Think it about it logically. It makes total sense to print 30 million copies for 20 volumes in Japan alone (1.5M copies per volume) when a new volume of CSM sells less than 150K in a month

>>280100934
>>280101077
also, i fail to see how a series full of hot girls can be gay
something like jjk is gay

>>280101090
CSM old volumes sold over 1,4 million per volume, bigger than MHA's
and circulation includes print not sales. csm already sold over 20m confirmed by oricon phsyically, let alone digital sales

>>280101124
>hot
Only in fanart. In the manga they all look like trannies

>>280101590
You shouldn't consume so much ecchi slop, it has warped your expectations.

>>280101590
???

>>280100934
CSM is the most heterosexual manga Jump has right now

Asa is a filter

>>280101243
I copy and pasted data from the official Oricon spreadsheet. Using the latest tracked figures, CSM sold about 16.7M actual copies. MHA only sold 10.6M within the same amount of volumes. I thought MHA backlog boost would be bigger. CSM was initially more popular than MHA but at its current rate, MHA will overtake it

It's #1 on manga plus.
CSM and Boruto are both really popular worldwide despite not getting physical manga sales. They probably make more than your favorite manga just from merch anyway.

>>280102324
>It's #1 on manga plus.
this fucking cope again, see>>280098987

>>280102365
Now adjust for chapter release amount
CSM released only one chapter

>>280102324
>Its #1 on manga plus
Thats One Piece.

>>280102272
Digital wasn't a big thing back at MHA release, so CSM is probably far bigger

>>280089802
They also didn't like 999 because of the negative connotation with the number 9 despite it being the best thing Spike Chunsoft have ever put out.

>>280102404
CSM released one chapter and is only 18k less compared to OP three chapters
literally 3x more viewership

>>280102446
We can't say without numbers. What we can say is that Part 1 was overwhelmingly successful compared to Part 2

>>280102365
>>280102404
CSM is not going anywhere. Since JJK ended it's kind of the only shonen with much relevance at all. What would surpass it? Dandadan or Kaiju? After 1 season JJK and CSM were both more popular than Dandadan and Kaiju are after one season so probably not.

>>280102558
We can say because digital was nonexistent back in 2015 while now it holds over 50% of the market
there's clearly more digital sales csm got than mha got

>>280102324
>>280102540
CSM and Boruto didn't even crack 30th place in terms of revenue for Oricon in 2024

>>280096382
Early part 2 was some of the best art Fugimoto has ever made. Art quality dipped sometime around the church arc post Falling.
He's had some good moments there-after, the handjob chapter with Yoru was pure fucking sex at a level ecchi mangaka could only wish to reach.

>>280102717
Those are manga sales and bd sales charts you retard why would they enter?

Awful thread, that's why I don't post anymore.

>>280102671
I cut it off at volume 20 but wouldn't the same apply to MHA's later volumes, especially the final one that sold the best?

>>280102403
>Now adjust for chapter release amount
what? boruto releases even less chapters than csm

>>280102754
Salesfaggotry being spammed to this degree is pretty phenomenal for this one manga.
I literally don't see it on the same level for any other manga for some reason.

>>280102748
There's the music, book, and others category

>>280102717
They probably make more money than literally every series in that pic from merch alone though. CSM and Boruto are actual franchises, they make millions from stuff like streaming rights and don't need to rely on comic book sales to otaku that still buy physical media.

>>280102789
we're talking about circulation at csm 19th volume

>>280102612
>deflecting
i accept your concession

>>280102845
MHA Vol 42 released at the same time as CSM Vol 19

>>280102914
Are you retarded or what? CSM at 19 volumes had 30m in circulation. it took mha 29 volumes to reach that amount
therefore CSM in Japan > Mha in Japan

>>280102873
No, I'm seriously asking, what manga do you think will dethrone CSM as #1? People used to say Kagurabachi was popular but I feel like I haven't heard about that in forever...

>>280102728
He just struggles to handle a weekly pace without totally no-lifeing (which he probably did for P1, as he said later that he wished he paid more attention to health). The early P2 chapters were clearly made in advance which is why some of them leaked early, so he was really able to focus on the art without worrying about a deadline.
Right now it seems like he's starting to settle in with a style that allows him to draw fast but doesn't look like total dogshit.
It's still lacking compared to his earlier stuff but it's not offensively bad like some of the scribbles from mid-p2.
However, the way he tells his stories through characters' expressions and body language, with very little dialogue/exposition, he really needs the art on characters to be as good as it can be.

99% of people in Japan read manga on their phone rather than physical manga

>>280102943
>what manga do you think will dethrone CSM as #1?
literally everything, see>>280102717

csm used to be 11th, now it's not even top 30.

That's besides the point though because you claimed csm was #1 in manga plus which is a lie

>>280102996
Those series are only popular among Otaku in Japan, not the kind of series that could make 100 million+ dollars on a movie like CSM.

>>280102935
Are you retarded? Part 2 is dropping off fast and hard, depending on how long CSM runs, it will lose to MHA. In fact, it already did. MHA: 100/42 = 2.38. CSM 30/20 = 1.5

csm movie trailer views = 11m
mha final season trailer = 700k

>>280090684
>Fails at everything
>Is pathetic
>Has barely any redeeming qualities

>Every other female character still wants his dick
It literally is a harem manga, except it's misery porn instead of a power fantasy

>>280102966
>99% of people in Japan read manga on their phone rather than physical manga
are you lying or coping?

>>280088013 (OP)
What has CSM done to be liked?

>>280103039
MHA 100m is worldwide, the japan only makes it 1.42

Also we don't know if reze will boost it back up, and regardless of that, we can know CSM has always had higher appeal than MHA, even if its currently dropping

>>280103022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu_Kaisen_0_(film)

>>280088013 (OP)
Part 2 is simply bad.

>>280103085
CSM Movie is guaranteed to make 100m+
mogging all three MHA movies on that list

>>280103065
You should actually go to Japan, it will make you sound like less of a cringe weeb. Do you think people on the subway in Japan read physical manga on the subway and look like an actual autistic person? I saw one person doing that the whole time I was in Japan, reading MHA, looking like the biggest otaku I've ever seen. Everyone on the train reads manga on their phone, literally everyone.

>>280102951
I don't disagree. Not even moralfagging but it's surprising how little /a/ actually knows about the process on making manga. It's not a luxurious or easy career. We're lucky he even does semi weekly/bi weekly instead of pulling a Miura with hiatuses so long, he dies before ever finishing the fucking manga.

>stopped browsing /a/ for a few weeks
>come back on a whim
>this faggot's STILL making sales threads

>>280103022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece_Film:_Red

>>280103085
Alright, with the exception of JJK, yeah JJK is very successful, I had originally said that CSM was only very popular now because JJK ended

>>280103120
let the movie speak for itself, it'll btfo this faggot HARD

>>280103099
Your personal experiences mean nothing faggot, there are actual statistics about it, free views are only about 30% of total views on actual popular manga
>>280103120
see>>280103110

>>280103137
I'm gonna be honest I kind of doubt the CSM movie will surpass the JJK movie, I'm thinking it will make more in the 80-140 million range.

>>280095960
True but it's an understandable theory with how hard the writing went downhill

Shit, I think someone in Fujimoto's family might have died partway through serialization, and he fell into a fit of depression and lost all enthusiasm for his work. Would explain a lot.

>>280103166
that's more than 99% of anime movies, more than all three mha movies combined

>>280103148
But like... literally anyone can view manga on their phone, how would it even be possible for physical sales to compete with that. Probably 100 times as many people read manga on their phone no exaggeration.

>>280103098
>CSM Movie is guaranteed to make 100m+
I'm gonna laugh so hard when it doesn't make 50m

>>280103078
>we can know CSM has always had higher appeal than MHA
Not when Part 2 ran at the same time as MHA

>>280103197
It will probably make 50 million in the USA alone I feel like... Does China like CSM, will the movie air in China?

>>280103197
it will, and i will post a comparison pic with it with all mha movies to btfo every salesfag

>>280103219
Numbers don't lie, see >>280102272

>>280103196
again, faggot, there are statistics about readers accounting online views, actual popular manga like one piece don't have to cling on free readers to be popular

>>280103196
While it's true digital sales outperform physical sales now, the trend in physical sales most likely reflect the trend in digital sales.
If physical sales are going down at this fast of a rate, digital sales probably are too.

>>280103241
always
adverb
1. at all times; on all occasions.

Did CSM sell more than MHA in 2024?

>>280103257
These are not official statstics you dumb faggot

this is

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2023-02-28/manga-market-reaches-record-677-billion-yen-in-japan-in-2022/.195361

>with digital manga now amounting to about 66.2% of the total manga market

also CSM gets paid by the views in Jump+ . literally more than WSJ authors do for weekly chapters

>>280103241
MHA movies are filler, compare it to real movies like one piece, kimetu, jjk or dragon ball

>>280103257
Statistics based on some survey of otaku. Anyone can view manga on their phone and lots of people pirate as well, no real way to count that. And One Piece has like a billion fans, 5 million people buying the manga is not the majority of readers.

>>280103102
He's still young so I expect him to be able to pull it off for a good while. But seeing the older generation of mangakas drop like flies is probably making the younger guys think twice about how they're going to go on about their career in the long-term.

>>280103295
also btw this is from 2023 lol, so its even more digital now
>>280103303
OP movies are all filler, and only the recent one had high revenue, Dragon ball movies are also semi filler at this point

i will compare it to mha because it'd be funny to mog all three movies with one CSM movie

>>280089802
>Daily reminder that japanese fags think Zelda is a shitty series and the franchise only started selling the amount of copies it did in its early NES/SNES era through Breath of the Wild
the only good Zelda was link to the past

>>280103295
again, retard, that is only for less popular manga, actual popular manga have enough readers that can afford physical volumes>>280103257
>>280103319
>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT VIEWS ON PIRATE WEBSITES
KWAB
W
A
B

>>280103387
if csm is not popular. why does the trailer mog mha final season so hard? 11m views vs 700k

is mha unpopular?

>>280103325
To be fair the MHA movies didn't have wide international releases idk if they were even shown in the USA and if they were it was probably only a few hundred theaters

>>280103400
Do you think i'm jeremy or something? why do you keep bringing MHA as your final card against me?

SnK mogs both BnHA and CSM

>>280102540
Average views for CSMs last 5 chapters = 479k

Average views for one pieces last 5 chapters = 562k

>>280103427
I think it's great that CSM is far more popular than MHA, that's all.

CSM is not the most popular manga, but its very popular.

>>280103503
...if you ignore Part 2 that is

>>280103493
one chapter of boruto = 1 million

i guess boruto won then, also most read chapter of 2024 mangaplus was CSM, not boruto or OP.

>>280103467
>SnK mo-ACKKK

>>280103540
Sold more and is more popular than BnHA and CSM, yes

>>280103540
Still a better love story than Asaden

>>280103537
>i guess boruto won then
obviously not, free views (gaijin ones nonetheless) are worthless metrics only losers use to cope, what really matters are sales.

>>280103617
>what really matters are sales.
CSM movie will show that by mogging all three MHA movies combined

>>280103644
go ahead and use part 1 to leech, we already know how that ended

>>280089802
>Daily reminder that japanese fags think Zelda is a shitty series
And they were right but nothing is more dog shit than botw and its copy posted $70 dlc

>>280088013 (OP)
It's very simple, amateur writers confuse shock value with actual good writing because it does get the readers' attention for a while, but if you are going to kill almost all of your cast, you need to replace them with characters equally appealing, which it did not.

>Everyone is finally shitting on Part 2
>I’ve hated it from day 1
Feels so good bros

>>280103590
>Sold more and is more popular than BnHA and CSM, yes

>>280103842
King.

>>280103877
This was more dignified than Denji crying over his cock and feeling bad for himself after going to a whorehouse when his little sister had gone missing

>>280088013 (OP)
Unlike Fire Punch, Denji and Asa neither grow nor affect the world around them.

>>280103930
>This was more dignified than Denji crying over his cock and feeling bad for himself after going to a whorehouse when his little sister had gone missing

>>280103877
I'm glad you can admit CSM will always be less popular than SnK

>>280103930
Did he actually fucking do that?

>>280103997
>I'm glad you can admit CSM will always be less popular than SnK

>>280104017
You can only seethe by posting these webms in response, how sad

>>280103998
Yes.
Chapter 166

>this is the shit SnK fags think is the pinnacle of storytelling
KEK

>>280104052
>You can only seethe by posting these webms in response, how sad

>>280104095
I haven’t read snk but this seems fine?
It’s like he’s on a mental high where the world fades around him and he doesn’t know what, if anything, he cares about anymore

>>280104095
>>280104134
SnK sold more

>>280104057
Holy shit... at least he's learning?

>>280104198
Mcdonalds sells more than every restaurant doesn't mean its not dogshit

>SNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHASNKMHA
You lost.

>>280104211
The worst part is, he never did.
He realizes it’s a problem, and then he immediately forgets about it and proceeds to do the exact same thing.
It is genuinely impressive how pathetic Denji is.

>>280104211
About that...

>>280104182
It was abysmally retarded. It makes no sense to kill 90% of the worlds population only to literally cuck out at the last 10.
The ending is Paradis being wiped out by other nations in the future, making everything he did worse than completely pointless, at least Zeke's plan would have been a slow, painless death.

>>280088318
Do views/ratings on J+ actually correlate to success like physical sales?

>>280103197
>I'm gonna laugh so hard when it doesn't make 50m
Just like when you kept saying you would laugh when Look Back flopped huh?

>>280104212
Burger King sells less than McDonalds, that doesn't mean BK isn't dogshit

>>280103998
>>280104211
>>280104211
No, the retard is taking out important context and what actually happened, when Denji gets overwhelmed and can't confront his problems tries to use different things as coping mechanism. The idiot left out that before this page>>280104057 Denji is realizing that he is a fuck up making bad choices like going to a brothel instead finding Nayuta, that is what he is crying about and it's not about him unable to have sex or anything like that and feeling bad for himself. Retards for some reason keeps parroting that while conveniently leaving out that Denji was focused in finding Nayuta while Asa and co kept sidetracking him from finding her, also the manga portrays Denji as wrong for going to the brothel.

>>280104342
>fregoli delusions
i only started shitting on csm after aging arc, i wish i'd have joined sooner because shitting on it is really fun

>>280104369
>Denji is realizing that he is a fuck up making bad choices like going to a brothel instead finding Nayuta, that is what he is crying about and it's not about him unable to have sex or anything like that and feeling bad for himself
It’s the same thing because HE DOESN’T FUCKING CHANGE
>“Woe is me! I keep making bad decisions!”
>Continues to keep making bad decision
It’s like a homeless alcoholic screaming at 2am that he’ll quit drinking for real this time, and then he gets piss drunk the next day

>>280104413
Whatever makes you sleep at night

>>280104355
But your local great bakery sells a lot less and is far better

>>280104294
>>280104295
You retards are conveniently leaving out that Denji's sex drive isn't the main flaw but the inability to confront his problems, also he is fully aware that Yoru and Asa are a danger to him but at this point he doesn't give any shit. The current arc is shitting on his illusions of being a hero and his fans actually liking him alongside Denji sees Yoru in negative light due her behavior.

>>280104548
chensokek please stop being delusional, your kuso manga is not niche underrated kino, it was a popular mainstream manga that lost 72% of its audience because it was THAT bad.

>>280104598
>but the inability to confront his problems
Yes? That’s why I’m calling him pathetic.

>>280104598
Those posts are all the eren cuckold replying to himself because the fact Eren is the laughing stock of /a/ really hurts him to this day
He desperately wants to make Denji look as pathetic, but it never works

>>280104548
Part 2 isn't nearly as good as you are trying to imply

>>280104721
>laughing stock of /a
that's kazuya thoughbeit

>>280104721
>P is here
I’m thinking Erenbro won

>>280104721
Eren deserves it. Stupid fucking character

>>280104457
>It’s the same thing because HE DOESN’T FUCKING CHANGE
Do you expect Denji magically solve his personal issues like that? also it's not the same thing because Denji is actually trying to solve his issues and it's crying about that.
>“Woe is me! I keep making bad decisions!”
>Continues to keep making bad decision
Only few times Denji makes bad decisions and the manga punishes for it meanwhile most of the time, his decisions meant jackshit due being "free choice is a illusion" also Denji doesn't expect pity from anyone else.
>It’s like a homeless alcoholic screaming at 2am that he’ll quit drinking for real this time, and then he gets piss drunk the next day
Because Denji is a fuck up with no support to solve his issues while dealing with traumas and personal losses.

>>280104721
It's not even me, schizo. I thought it was spearheaded by Amachu

>>280104475
fuck off with your non sequiturs

>>280104638
its literally niche kino

>>280102826
CSM buckbroke /v/eddit tier schizos like picrel ao they made their life mission to shit CSM threads

>>280104789
>Denji makes bad decisions and the manga punishes for it
Denji is an immortal demigod with a sex goddess lusting after him, punishment my ass

>>280104789
>Denji is actually trying to solve his issues
No he isn’t.
>Only few times Denji makes bad decisions and the manga punishes for it meanwhile most of the time, his decisions meant jackshit due being "free choice is a illusion"
So you’re saying it’s good writing that Denji’s bad decisions are punished, but also none of these decisions are his fault in the first place.
Part 2 defenders in a nutshell I guess

>>280104845
>

>>280103467
>SnK gets mentioned
>Everyone loses their minds
Like the good old days

>>280104849
It is funny how I predicted Boruto overtaking CSM on Mangaplus with the cuckposting
Also R you should read Hero Organization. It’s really good.

>>280103594
Being better than flopped manga is not an accomplishment but the bare minimum.

>>280104955
Losing their last cope by boruto kek that is so pathetic

>>280104955
Man, you are extremely pathetic if you did that.

>>280102826
Seriously nobody should care this much about the sales of a manga regardless if you like or dislike it. Like it's schizo behavior.

>>280105211
1735.

>>280105211
Someone attacked MHA out of nowhere

>>280105235
Nice number i guess, i didn't even liked Season 1 of CSM because even if sold 50k, i still wouldn't like it.

>>280105211
>nyooo stop posting facts
why are chensoikeks like this? Are you really that upset people can point out blatant flops?

>>280104955
That manga is good.

i love asa

>>280106460
No one...

>>280100359
>>280098987
It's still strange to me to see One Piece so popular worldwide. I'm glad to see it though I'm not convinced all these new fans have actually read or watched it from the beginning.

>>280106460
Everyone with a brain...

>>280106460
Bizarro Mengo...

>>280106812
Wanofags have read from Wano and anything beforehand is just wikipeida shit

>>280107191
...tumour.

>>280107993
...doesn't like Asa.

>>280107993
kek

>>280098773
>csm had higher appeal in japan than MHA did
>CSM vol 22 150k(First Month)
>MHA vol 2 165k(First Week)
Yeah sure bud

>>280088013 (OP)
shouldve ended already

Has there been a manga that dropped the ball as hard as CSM did?

>>280111385
72% dropped in 7 volumes,it is the harshest decline a manga has ever seen,

>>280111442
Oof, wonder what the editors feel like right now

>>280104849
>/v/eddit tier schizos
hello newfaggot

>>280089802
>>280089903
>I'm not taking opinions from Japan
Yeah because it's not like powerkike always brings up that Japanese popularity poll to validate his comfort character.... oh wait.

>Necrobumping
Anti-CSM schizos really are unhinged.

>>280112464
>>Necrobumping
You dont know what that means, it shows

Why you mentally ill retards care so much for a manga whose sales had a decline? seriously, a bunch of armchair executives.

>>280112572
>mentally ill retards
Newfaggot and his boogeymen at it again

>He is camping the thread

>>280112664
>Newfaggot talking in signs
The women's bathroom is that way

>>280091149
Except the big Lebowski is filled with hidden deep meaning while chaincuckman is superficial and actually meaningless

>>280093791
gem

>>280089802
Most but not all of these are actually indicators that they don't just tolerate slop just because it is a household name, but in a strictly Japanese context. You have to consider how and when they got those things as opposed to how and when we got them. A good example is Western normies constantly sucking off cat Voltron while the average Japanese mechafag barely even acknowledges the existence of Golion.

I think they only dislike Big O because it tried too hard to be "Westaboo approved" while also being 2deep4u at the same time, which is valid criticism.

>>280089802
>Daily reminder that japanese fags think Zelda is a shitty series and the franchise only started selling the amount of copies it did in its early NES/SNES era through Breath of the Wild
Nation of sharp eyed scholars