Remember the 2000s? Before anime got big on social media? Before culture warriors found it? The days before anituber grifters. Of whores. Blue check "anime fans" who just want to rage bait? I miss the old days of anime culture. When anime fans were just nerds. Like I was on gamefaq OT in the 2000s. Anime fans were so much different back then.

>>280119779 (OP)
What I miss the most is that nobody cared about canonfaggotry as long as the product was good. Now its "but MUH CANON!!11" everywhere and it sucks.

>>280119779 (OP)
I always wanted anime to be mainstream
Then it became mainstream and I hate it

I currently still want stoner metal and electroswing to be mainstream but the Bobby Liebling memes was a taste of it and I already saw broccoli hairs being zoomers about it

I dunno bros I think maybe we need to start gatekeeping

>>280119779 (OP)

>>280120014
Mainstream status is always a double-edged sword. You get all the more of what you want, but never for free.

>>280119779 (OP)
Little late, don't you think? The jig has been up since 2009, AT MOST, 2011-2012.

>>280120036
Did most of us watch most of those back then? I really only watched a small fraction. Definitely watched Haruhi at its peak though. And stuff like Hale + Guu, Gankotsuou and Texhnolyze.

>>280120014
When grunge was fading, I desperately wanted industrial metal to blow up. Then it did and the most tryhard mall goths and discovered it and the genre never recovered. Going mainstream might get people to recognize your favorite shiny thing, but that just means it becomes the target and reference point of every hackfraud, activist, troglodyte, and midwit who will either badly mimic a culture they don't understand or will actively demand the culture be destroyed and rebuilt around their fetishes and current fad ideology

there are very few anime before 2010 that are good, most of them are straight unwatchable, couldn't imagine being an anime fan back then
>>280120036
case in point. there's only szs and azumanga that are good? if you want to stretch it knj, dokuro and death note are watchable, but the rest are TRASH plain and simple

>>280119779 (OP)
Yeah i remember the days where we didn't have obnoxious old good new bad threads like yours.

>>280120154

Quality of anime isn't the issue. Quality of fanbase is.

I do miss the 2000's when Manhwa and Manhua were still decent and there are way less Gooks and Chinks on the internet

>>280120168
I don't interact with the fanbase

I didn't care about internet anime culture then and I don't care about internet anime culture now.
Old good.
New good.

>>280120036
Hot take: 2009 is really the first 2010s year in terms of content, much rather so than the last 2000s year:
>K-On
Started the golden age of KyoAni and codified their signature look that would characterize the entire 2010s
>Fairy Tail
2010s series that merely started in '09
>Monogatari
2010s series that merely started in '09
>FMAB
Circa-2010 remake of a 2000s anime

>>280119871
I don't know what alternate-universe 2000s you were living in, but here in the real world, people screeched at all filler/anime-original content regardless of quality until the industry stopped doing it.

>>280120464
Fairy Tail is a 2006 series and Monogatari is a 2005 series.

>t. I want my perverted shit like incest and lolis back in anime
fuck off, freak.

>>280120568
No, they both ran from 2009 to 2019.

>>280119779 (OP)
Old good new bad always existed, it's just that "new" in that case was the original broadcast of Sailor Moon.

>>280120747
I'm talking about the source material.

>>280119779 (OP)
Phone users are the problem, more or less. They're just a different demographic both age and tech-wise from 2000s anime nerds who posted online.
>>280120122
I agree, but I still think the online discussion of anime didn't get truly irredeemable until the end of that decade. There's too much focus on being as reductive as possible, and not in a fun cheeky way. It's no wonder most sane people retreated. Too much anger and too little fun. There's still little pockets of fun here and there, but the signal to noise ratio is pretty fucked.

>>280119779 (OP)
>Remember the 2000s? Before anime got big on social media? Before culture warriors found it?
(You) are a newfag. Anime started pandering to westoids and globalists ever since economic crash. Hence why there were so many nogs in early 2000 anime.

>>280119779 (OP)
>more nostalgiafaggotry
your hobby was always fated to be mainstream and commercialised, old man. embrace the present.

>anime discussions then
lolis are bad, fanservice is bad, incest is gross
>anime discussions now
lolis are bad, fanservice is bad, incest is gross

Nothing changed.

>>280119779 (OP)
>this thread again
It's all just choose your cope. How new is too new to be a real fan and what is your retarded reason why. No real interrogation of how we got to our present, absolutely no speculation about the future because the people who'd live to see it don't "deserve" it according to (You) and a pathetically reductive understanding of the past. Choose your cope.

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>>280121472
>can literally only comprehend what people mean when they talk about old anime in terms of hentai
And you're the people who think you can "gatekeep" me from anything, lmao. You won't do shit.

>>280120036
I mean I guess the adpatations are by technicality but Mahoro and Kanon especially are insanely '90s

>>280119871
>nobody cared about canonfaggotry
What universe did you come from? "It follows the manga" was the number one line of defense when FMAB was airing.

>>280120923
I can tell, but the source material is categorically irrelevant to the topic of anime decades. Devilman Crybaby isn't a 1970s anime, it's a 2018 anime.

Any anime girl with this haircut was automatically my waifu

>>280119779 (OP)
The worst thing that can happen to a hobby is people using it as a tool to push their agendas. The second the discussion about a hobby starts encompassing things outside that hobby, you just know the thing you loved is dead.

>>280120685
Kill yourself.

>>280121019
Phoneposting was mostly a mistake. You should be required to own a computer to use 4chan.

>>280121019
>Phone users are the problem, more or less. They're just a different demographic both age and tech-wise from 2000s anime nerds who posted online.
This applies to the Internet as a whole.

>>280124252
I don't care about this [anime], I care about how this [anime] can help me win online arguments.
I don't care about [loli], I care about fightin' under or against the [loli] banner
I don't care about [the industry], I care about how the [industry] state is a bullet against my opponents.

If the only way to escape those people is escapism, I will gladly embrace it. I just want to talk and joke about the things I love, and this is the last place on the internet where I'm allowed to do that.

But anime culture has always been paved by other people. Like, part of the reason manga got as popular as it was initially came from shoujo fans.

You’re still getting a solid three or four fanservice anime per year. We’re getting anime of series that were previously outright cancelled. The big issues we should focus on are creators being worked to death with bad scheduling and overproduction, but instead you’re complaining that other people are coming into your secret club?

>>280119779 (OP)
The irony is that you only know anime because it got mainstream in the late 90's.
You are the og newfag.

>>280119779 (OP)
No one liked Chode Gayass except for fags

>>280120014
>electroswing
I'd wager you wore fedoras and posted on /mlp/ in 2013.

>>280119779 (OP)
>implying anime wasn't mainstream in the 2000s.
You must be from some European shithole country, or you were born in the mid 2000s. Anime BECAME mainstream in the 2000s.

The only difference between then and now, is back then you had to keep it under wraps unless you wanted to be bunched in with a bunch of spergs who did the Naruto run in school hallways.

>>280119779 (OP)
>>280119871
I remember and always
anime canon > side material

>>280119779 (OP)
I miss we when watched shows. They didn't just look a twitter screen shots and watch a youtube video about the show. That's really what I miss the most.

>>280119779 (OP)
I remember getting beaten up daily in middle school for being into anime, can't say I miss it

>>280127491
The best part? Your middle school bullies now watch the anime you hated.

>>280128091
My middle school bullies unironically became my friends in high school.

>>280124000
Holy shit, you and me both. It really was a type back then but now it's just about gone and you won't find anywhere anymore..

Fondly

>>280130404
No Shoebill Motoko Left Unmarried

>>280125099
I miss nipples in anime though. Either it's full fanservice, or no nipples at all. No more in between, where a lewd scene in a normal show just has some nipples.

>>280130630
That's my biggest grimace as well. The likes of Full Metal Panic shows where characters have a moment of subtle lewdness during action or otherwise don't exist anymore.

>>280120568
>>280120923

>>280130489
The 00's were the second golden age of mecha...

>>280130489
What anime?

>>280133113
It was a good revival era.
>>280133990
Godannar

>>280119779 (OP)
Truth be told, I wanted anime to be mainstream.
I hated lolis and fanservice.
I loved shounen shows and wished there was more.
But then I started to explore more of what anime had to offer, and truly I began loving all of those things and more. But it was the year that not just anime, but Japan in general started internalizing a lot of the bullshit that killed our media over here in the West. I never knew how good we had it until we lost it.

>>280134219
go back

>>280119779 (OP)
I have never watched an anituber aside from Grumpy Jiisan and have never had social media. I don't engage with those type of "anime fans", I just ignore them and move on.

>>280119779 (OP)
Anime has always been mainstream in my country so it never changed for me, if anything the biggest change was getting a ton of bad quality isekai since Kadokawa decided it was a good idea to have over 50 anime per year.

>>280133113
You mean 90's.

>>280127428
But Fomoffu was way better than the main series

>>280125756
>spergs who did the Naruto run in school hallways
My school only had one of those, thank god. If you're out there Shane, I definitely still remember.

>>280135521
But you're in one right now.

>>280119779 (OP)
I watched Code Geass when I was 15 and Cecile still gives me the teenager in my heart a huge hardon to this very day.
Anyway I don't care about everything else you posted.

>>280139296
Good taste