Why are anime fighting scenes now complete gibberish now? There's so much happening on screen with so much effects. It's like jingling keys in front of a toddler. Every time I watching these fight scenes, I either fall asleep or feel too overstimulated and skip it. This goes the same for overuse of loud music.

What happened to having an atmosphere?

>>280179666 (OP)
>Why do I keep falling asleep during movies?
You're getting old, unc. That is literally it. You're old and tired You crusty ass millennial boomer grandpa. Go to sleep holy fuck.

>>280179666 (OP)
>Every time I watching
ESL detected, opinion discarded. Pack it up everybody, next thread.

>>280179666 (OP)
>now complete gibberish now
All ESLs deserve to be burned alive

>>280179740
>>280179748

>>280179748
>>280179740
>Minor spelling mistake invalidates your completely correct point! Hah! Checkmate!

>>280179666 (OP)
I blame the cube autist director. Whatever his name is.

>>280179666 (OP)
3D allows for better choreography while 2D allows for better effects

>>280179666 (OP)
>complete gibberish
Nothing about that webm is hard to understand

>>280179666 (OP)
How many times are you going to make this same shit thread complaining about shit for children

>>280179828
>>280179885
>>280179819

>>280179885
>>280180012
Poorly disguised Kimetsu No Yaiba hate thread.

>>280179666 (OP)
If you can't tell whats going on for 100% of this entire clip, you either have cancer in the brain or you're 85 years old. Either way, you shouldn't be alive right now

>>280179666 (OP)
You think that anime fight scenes have gone to shit, and you would be mostly correct, but at least it's more or less a recent phenomenon
Live action fight scenes have been shit for almost 50 years
There's no troupe alive today that could make something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8kiCuMt4vM&ab_channel=BestFightScenes

The harsh reality? Competency crisis. The talented artists, cinematographers and directors which made the amazing fights of the past don’t exist anymore. It’s not about money, it’s not about capitalism, it’s that the talented artists itself doesn’t exist anymore. It’s not just media, it’s in gaming, tech, space, health, hospitality, etc — it’s all levels of advanced human pursuit. Humanity is sliding into a dark age.

>>280180831
>Blatantly denying reality.

>>280179666 (OP)
>Every time I watching these fight scenes, I either fall asleep or feel too overstimulated and skip it. This goes the same for overuse of loud music.
literal clinical autism

>>280181426
How the fuck are you people defending this garbage?

>>280179773
Correct the problem in this sentence to prove you aren't an ESL.
>There's so much happening on screen with so much effects.

>>280179666 (OP)
>We want the ufotable audience

>>280181629
The word many instead of much and and a comma after happening

>>280181683
Good job finding it and then adding something wrong without being asked for it. ChatGPT give you that answer?

>>280181792
Why haven't you addressed the point of the thread?

>>280179666 (OP)
I also miss old fight scenes

>>280182304
I miss it when fight scenes were readable.

>>280181639
Ufotable fights used to be kvno.

>>280182304
I love Kurenai Sanshiro
I know you posted that clip as a gotcha moment, saying "look at how goody this old shit looks", but there's more inventive stuff going on in a single episode than most anime could come up with in an entire series
The use of real life models for burning down a boat, modified stock footage, just photos of real life steel added on top of blades, cutting open the cells to make strage light effect, the whole noir aesthetic mixed with crazy visuals, the over the top fight scenes where anything can happen
It's a masterpiece

>>280179666 (OP)
I think this scene was intentionally chaotic to make it feel claustrophobic and like more is happening on screen than there really is. I've seen this specific scene used as an example for bad choreography/camera work, when it's just not a good fit for it. It still looks bad, but not in the way OP is saying. There are so many better examples you could give from animators who have just lost the fucking plot and don't even know what they are doing looks retarded. Solo Leveling and JJK are filled with that garbage.

>>280179666 (OP)
Don't worry, one day my manga/webtoon WILL get an anime and when that happens I will be the executive producer and have ALL of my fights done by martial arts consultants then save anime. Just wait a bit longer.

>>280182304
Unironically better battle choreography than anything in the 2 years of one piece.

>>280179666 (OP)
Things going fwoosh is the only thing that matters in animation of course.

>>280179666 (OP)
>It's like jingling keys in front of a toddler.
Gee, I wonder why shounen anime are like that....

>>280179727
>durr im larping as young people haha look how i used their slangs so funne omg

>>280185412
Go to bed gramps

>>280179773
I don't care about your point I just want all ESLs burned alive.

is this sakuga?

>>280186753
>ESL
Second? More like third, and that's enough

Incoming kino in 2 weeks

>>280185412
>durrr I boiled the post down to its basic elements and then presented them with a retard voice instead of responding

>>280179666 (OP)
This fight sucks, sure, but the character is still moving quite a bit and that takes a lot of effort to draw. Now imagine you have to draw 2 characters moving just as much AND they have to react off each other. Who has time for all that? No, you just enjoy this light show. Oooh look, it's sparkly!

>>280188237
>Who has time for all that?
Directing, timing and storyboarding are lost arts apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eehv-7lVK_g&ab_channel=AthanasiosVagias

>>280179666 (OP)
>tfw a Crayon Shin-Chan movie has better fight choreography than most current shonen

>>280187841
>30 seconds of edited together impact frames from literal years of episode releases
Those were the least of Wano's problems. It's sequences like these that looked fucking retarded, and the impact frames at the end were the only redeeming of this webm.

>>280189170
The nika debut episode was also horribly directed. This sequence was fucking awful. The episodes after dialed it back and were generally decent.

>>280179666 (OP)
>streaming

>>280179885
>Nothing about that webm is hard to understand
Shut the fuck up zoomer and kill yourself

>>280181012
>Live action fight scenes have been shit for almost 50 years
Look at you casually disregarding the existence of Jackie Chan

>>280182304
Kek this looks so bad that it actually is good

>tfw the PV is better than the show

>>280179666 (OP)
well, satan, most anime viewers are like toddlers

>>280188530
would be better without the fake handheld cam sway

>>280180103
But the problem with the OP webm is that the camera isn't moving at all, not that it moves too much.

>>280188400
>american soundtrack
Dropped

>>280187635
>*blocks your path and steals your box office*

>>280189740
LOL
LMAO

>>280189226
I remember that as well, the G5 episode for all its hype just had such weirdly choppy shot editing and audio it felt nothing like the western cartoons it was obviously trying to emulate.

>>280190185
I can smell your fear.

>>280189740
Im not brown so I dont care about salesfaggotry.

>>280190773
You like Demon Slayer, you're as brown as the shit I took yesterday.

>>280190794
Ok

>>280179666 (OP)
ADHD is rampant in former members of the audience who are now the creators and showrunners

>>280190508
Tell that to Kal-El's snapped pelvis

A lot of it is because ufotable pioneered
>map this out in a 3d engine first
>Fuck layouts it's 2007
>Trace over the 3d animatic with pencils and paper
>Don't finish drawing the key frames
>Scan the unfinished traces back into the computer
>Have the digital color girls finish it in post
>Have the 3d guys finish it in post
As a workflow.

The problem with this is there's no strong idea of what the scene is, there's no starting template. The process involves a half dozen people engaging in iterative design. And directorial oversight is minimal. Too many cooks makes slop. No unifying vision.

>>280190993
Who is to blame for the spastic cameras?

>>280191653
the bourne identity

I don't think any fight scene will ever top the final fight between Spike and Vincent in Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door

>>280180459
What happened this time?

Good fights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsqwMV6j1h4