why is this trope so controversial?

>>280187363 (OP)
Because it's unnecessary, like the meme shows, she can just stop being a slave and they can continue on like normal, but no. Someone remind if Rance' sidekick was still considered a slave? It'd be funny if she wasn't.

>>280187363 (OP)
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

slavery in isekai is based and I'm tired of pretending its not.

>>280187524
Turns out the Romans were polyamorous too.

is it really a trope? I have never watched an anime like that and the only example that gets posted is this racoon girl

>>280187363 (OP)
>why is this trope so controversial?
Is it? Only tumblerinas are having an hissy fit over it.

>>280187363 (OP)
Cause it's basically this meme.

>>280187567
Not really, there is not a single civilization in history where polyamorous relationships were commonplace.

>>280188204
No idea why anon is bringing that up. Polygamy is the relevant one here and it's the one that was historically common.

>>280187363 (OP)

>>280187363 (OP)
>One of the most famous and influential guys in the country starts going around freeing slaves.
Enjoy getting at least one of your meals poisoned every single day by some slaver guild afraid you'd set a precedent.

>>280187363 (OP)
Rising of the Shield Hero did this, and maybe Mushoku Tensei did this to some degree. Did any other anime do it?

>>280187363 (OP)
Has a single isekai protag ever just blown away a slave shop?

>isekai'd
>buy a slave because you want a SLAVE
>use slave as a SLAVE
>that makes normalfags seethe EVEN MORE
>laugh in commercial success

>>280188397
>Baalbuddy

>>280187567
That's not really true. Although "the Romans" were a people who existed for several centuries across multiple continents, so you can find numerous examples of homosexuality, infidelity, and all manner of perversion, Roman law in general only ever recognized marriages between one man and one woman.
Any exceptions, such as insane emperors or Antony shacking up with Cleopatra, were criticized whenever it was safe to do so.
The Romans were by nature a rather prudish people compared to their contemporaries, both before and after the adoption of Christianity.

>>280187363 (OP)
I all heard was "bla bla bla big titty beast girl slave gud"

>>280188681
homosexuality is not a perversion

>>280188614
Yeah thats the name of the artist.
?

>>280188681
Learn english before you learn history

>>280188704
It's relative. Most societies consider it to be, although some don't.

>>280188532
Too much slop to filter through. Mushoku was doing fine, they didn't even need to add the slave dwarf.

>>280187567
No, they weren't, or at least not in the modern sense. It's just that slaves were on the same level of furniture under early Roman law so a married Roman man fucking his slave wasn't considered "cheating" anymore than using a fleshlight would be today.

There were reforms made that put some restrictions on what slave owners could do to their slaves towards the end of the western Roman Empire, but were mostly half-measures meant to protect the slave traders from fraud or scams, like the option for a slave trader to include a clause in the sales contract forbidding the slave owner from pimping his slave out until he'd owned the slave for a certain amount of time.

>>280188532
Zero no Tsukaima

>>280188748
You first. There's not one grammatical error in my post.

>>280188681
Go read some of the gratiti they found in the ruins of Pompeii. They were far from prudish. Also, in those same ruins, they found images of penises engraved on the walls used as arrows to provide directions to the nearest brothel.

>>280187363 (OP)
Any isekai or fantasy anime/manga where the MC is an unapologetic warlord slaver?

>>280187363 (OP)
fuck squirrel girls

>>280188556
No because modern anime is allergic to main characters doing good deeds if they don't gain anything in return because it's illogical and humans only ever help other humans if they are guaranteed some type of benefit

They never actually treat "slaves" as slaves, and then try to demonise other slave owners as "the bad guys" for also participating in legal slavery. The MC gets treated as a saviour who didn't judge a book by its cover like the meanie bad guys did, and the female characters can swoon and have intimacy without committing to a romantic relationship or marriage vows. Then the author throws in excuses like "slaves get bonus EXP and benefit from the MC's increased drops rate/extended field skills" which could have been achieved by a party or vassal system. Most features of the trope can be done without relying on slave trading, but buying slaves is the easy shortcut for speedrunning character introductions. Like, just hire a battle maid that's rough around the edges, guys. It doesn't have to be a slave and you have the added tension that the character could leave or betray the hero if he doesn't play his cards right. Magic slave collars remove so much social negotiation that could be interesting.

>>280187363 (OP)
While this is certainly true in some cases, slavery is a modern taboo.
You're not even allowed to think about a world where it is simply a part of everyday life.
Slavery was neither like it is portrayed in isekai not like it is portrayed in American slavery horror porn.
The Roman poet Martial as an example strongly criticized people abusing their slaves, but also had slaves himself, as the heartbreaking poem about the death of his slave girl's (and probably his own?) daughter shows.

>>280189000
>slavery works out if <wall of text of impossible fantasy land expectations>
yes, that's why it works in isekai.

>>280187363 (OP)
In Shield Hero specifically, his slaves are treated more like pets than anything.
Like it's barely different from Pokemon.

>>280189046
You might want to read posts before replying to them.

>>280187363 (OP)
It's not controversial though? Everyone hates it, just like how everyone hates isekais.

>>280188905
I don't think you understand what he meant by "prudish". Americans are a prudish people, even though everything in their media suggests otherwise at first glance.

>>280187363 (OP)
To be frank isn't that shit somewhat realistic?
Like, after slavery was abolished, weren't a lot of slaves left doing the same shit the same way, working for the same people on almost the same conditions?

>>280188614
Normalizing goblin waifus so he'll have my support for as long as I live

>>280189046
If you are too stupid to read and/or want to engage in retarded ragebait you can always go to /v/ you know?

The real thing that's weird about most isekai slavery is that most of the time they're just enslaving people with animal ears. Hell most economically shit places in isekai would be doing better if said slaves had jobs that paid and had to pay taxes.

>>280187363 (OP)
People complain, but it is better to be a slave with a home, food, and a warm bed than a free person without money, a home, food, reputation, work, or education.

>>280189424
Most slaves either had none or an entirely different education to begin with.

>>280187363 (OP)
the mc being a slave master is retarded ONLY if the girls he enslaves are just like the pic
because the japanese are retarded, so it makes sense, they're unwilling to create a proper mc who is actually evil and has women who don't want to be enslaved
it would be great if the mc raped the girls and kept them as slaves clearly against their will, but then normalfags will shit themselves and the retards will howl like the faggots they are

Do men cry about shoujo tropes all day long and make angry comics about it?

>>280187363 (OP)
Shield Bro literally bought all the slaves to free them and remade a country. What a disingenuous load of bullshit. Now, when Raphtalia said she wanted the slave seal back he should of refused to let her. He did fuck up there, as for the bird. It's literally a fucking bird, all animals are enslaved.

>>280188556
Well, the Japanese are already slaves to their own society to the point of dying of exhaustion.
For them, slavery isn't much different.

>>280189596
Yeah, some do that as well.

>>280189166
Yes, and slavery still exists.

>>280188532
Mushoku Tensei also had spear dude slaughtering a camp of slavers, so it's a wash.

I just realized
>physically inferior MC
>seemingly useless but secretly super overpowered ability/class
>gains apparently weak slave/servant
>said slave wants to renew magical slave contract after being released
>they defeat the villain through perseverance, cooperation, mutual loyalty it's between friends, ok, it doesn't count, key vs lock bla bla bla and weak but secretly overpowered abilities
At last I truly see.

>>280187363 (OP)
westoid Self-inserters want to larp as Spartacus/django but isekai's rarely have such plotline
Also most slave trading is civil and respectful, humanizing bad peoplke is a nono

>>280187363 (OP)
The funny thing is that the progressive values of past generations are so engraved into otaku storytelling that slavery is automatically a trope for dabbling with edgy evil things. Just as often as its used in a "problematic" way for a harem member or something, an MC will play liberator in the more savage world.

>>280189384
Historically slavers and trades of flesh cared about their own particular interests not some elusive, abstract "economy".

>>280188397
>>280187363 (OP)
It's genuinely embarrassing how blatant this crap is. Singling out "How I became an hero: Shield X" or whatever it's called, because you're allowed to dislike it. This turd is the same as Mushoku Tensei or Frieren which you love.

>>280189823
Correct however you think anyone more financially motivated would've tried to free the slaves for that reason alone.

>>280189008
American slavery was particularly bad because the slaves weren't your fellow countrymen on hard times. The slave owners saw them as subhuman trash.

>>280189849
Anon what? We were talking about slaves in isekai what the fuck are you doing getting a random cape shit anime into this?

>>280188397
And what exactly is wrong with that? Why should women be allowed to choose?

>>280189866
They were still treated better in america than if they were sold in africa or the ottoman empire

>>280187363 (OP)
I just hate that it's always "beastfolk" or elves. Why do they hate them so much.

>>280189960
If anything most beastfolk or elves would've probably been treated like Indians in India when Britain occupied

>>280189866
The American Founding Fathers had black bedwenches which they vigorously bred. Sorry but there is no escape for you gringos.

>>280189960
They're not human, thus easier to look down on and treat like a slave.

>>280189166
Not by choice. Freed slaves just had no options. They had freedom and nothing else. They could go back to working for their former masters or starve. Now earning $1 a year so it's technically not slavery.

>>280189166
No, they did measurably worse, actually. Now they had to pay rents but they weren't being paid enough to pay those rents.

>>280187402
>Someone remind if Rance' sidekick was still considered a slave?
I think Rance insisted she was a slave throughout the series, but I don't think she's legally recognized as one

It's a boring white guilt thing or a boring man hating thing.

>>280187363 (OP)
Because modern anime fan are retarded

>>280187363 (OP)
>woman gets clothed, fed, and taken care of
>the man who does this is somehow evil because she now owes him
women are not human

>>280187363 (OP)
Retards.

>>280187402
Because retards like this can't process anything being different than their own modern sensibilities.

>>280190289
You can't even provide those things and want to act entitled because you're the actual subhuman loser who's owed nothing

>>280187363 (OP)
Meanwhile in shoujo the girl is bought as a slave by a handsome man.

>>280190330
huh? I pay for a womans meal and of course I expect something out of it. this is some weird projection. women always expect to take without giving.

>>280189960

>>280190051
>le hot babes with animal features are inferior to plain stacies

>>280189960
Beastfolk are animals who are meant to be subservient to humanity.
Elves are known to be uppity, so it's fun to put them in their place.

>>280190053
>Now earning $1 a year so it's technically not slavery.
And now you have to pay for your own home and food. Your master had to provide that for you, but your employer sure as hell doesn't.

>>280190353
As long as the handsome man who buys the slave girl in a shoujo story is much much taller and has really big hands, anything is okay.

>>280190449
>>le hot babes with animal features are inferior to plain stacies
Quit being intentionally dense. I said they're not human, thus they're easier to treat like a slave. I said nothing about you being a furry and wanting to fuck animals.

John Brown isekai when?

>>280188704
>He says as the homosexual couple adopts their 4th male child

>>280190509
>people with beastly strength would be easier to subdue than normal weakling humans

>>280188121
Ive seen it happen in like 12 different fantasy/isekai anime

>>280188614
>>280189849
They hated Big Jim because he told the Big Truth.

>trope

>>280190649
Shush, you. No poking holes in the tedious trope that mere humans can enslave people with beastly strength or long-lived long-eared people with superior magical abilities.

>>280190649
Who says they have "beastly" strength? They're women, they have -4 STR.

>omg slaves? you're just afraid of rejection... !
>haha ohhh I've been married off to a tall noble hehehe he's mean but hands are so big...

>>280190053
>>280190090
The point I was trying to make remains, though.
As funny as it is the
>Slaveowner-kun is good to me, let me keep being your slave!
Bullshit, is curiously realistic. After all, all those freed slaves would have chosen go back to being a slave if they had the choice. And if your owners treat you that well and you unironically want to fuck them/be fucked by then, why would you want to be freed at all?
Of course, it's still a dumb power fantasy... But one that strangely makes sense even if it seems dumb

wouldnt be surpised if there was a jew behind kadokawa book selection

Slavery in male-oriented fantasy:
>MC almost never a slave (a few rare exceptions to this)
>MC's slaves are 99.99999% of the time always female
>MC never abuses his slaves in any way and tends to treat them as his companions
>slave women love and adore their main character master, never think of betraying him, and are unfailingly obedient to his commands
>his slaves wind up being really important / powerful later and his good treatment results in them remaining loyal even when they have the ability to become free

Slavery in female-oriented fantasy
>female main character is often herself a slave to a male character who is more often than not her main romantic interest
>her master is often cold and apparently disinterested in her at first, before becoming "intrigued" by her, or else ensnared by some remarkable trait she has (cleverness, fearlessness, etc)
>harsh master character slowly becomes less of an asshole as she "fixes" him
>eventually she becomes so important to him she is valued above non-slave characters who seethe with jealousy and resentment toward her because the master has singled her out
>femC is too nice to do anything about these jealous bitches (it's always other women) who hatch some kind of nefarious ploy to put her in danger so she can be rescued by the no-longer-an-asshole master character and this deepens their bond
>to be continued in next volume

>>280190825
And there's nothing wrong with either.

One should make a spreadsheet to notice which slave heroines were enslaved by bad people, and which ones had to sell themselves for money instead.
All the chicks in isekai meikyuu de harem wo for example belong in the second category, whereas Raphtalia is in the first one, if I remember right.

>>280190778
it's fantasy... meaning there could be a hot bovine babe capable of overpowering you at any time uoh...

>>280190825
Don't forget all slaves are remarkably virginal, having avoided rape or prostitution somehow.

>>280190912
You just want your ankles behind your ears and to be fucked amazon style by some 7'6" 380lbs muscle mommy don't you?

>>280190923
Freshly captured women are always virgins. You gotta buy em up before they become used goods and only worth being maids/blowjob sluts.

>>280190923
To be fair, if the slave merchant wants to sell a waifu slave and up her selling price, then ensuring that the merchandise is still intact is important to their reputation, after all.
It's brothel owners (funnily enough most often being old crones) who want experienced girls.

>>280190971
If I was some random slaver goon I would rape the shit out of every beautiful girl I captured. I'd just spend the extra coin for capturing a virgin on whores anyway, and fucking a virgin is way better than whores.

>>280189960
Hate what? Elf women love slavery like nothing else. It's their greatest fetish.

>>280190992
>It's brothel owners (funnily enough most often being old crones)
That's cause in Japan old prostitutes who made a lot of money would often start their own brothels. They knew the business inside and out, after all, and if they managed to get rich enough to buy freedom and start their own business, they know how to spot good whores.

>>280187363 (OP)
This character is a jab at our favorite mexican, Shieldbro. I will take measures against you sir.

>>280191000
>If I was some random slaver goon I would rape the shit out of every beautiful girl I captured.
Never gonna make it as a slaver. You gotta sell the virgins to the protagonists for top dollar if you're going to make it in this market! All the slavers that rape all the girls they nab always end up with some elf assassin stabbing them in the back after a protag buys them anyway.

>>280191000
Beware. Random slaver goons who rape the merchandise behind the back of their employers are somehow always automatically stopped from raping virgin girls by the Hero™ or their employers themselves.

>>280191057
If I'm selling directly to some naive idiot isekaijin then I'll just tell him she's a virgin and that idiot won't know the difference.

>>280190971
>You just want your ankles behind your ears and to be fucked amazon style by some 7'6" 380lbs muscle mommy don't you?
not at all...

>>280191078
I wouldn't do that, bro. Them otherworlders be mighty strange with their godgiven superpowers, and crossing them can only end in tragedy for the company.

>>280188614
He has 4chan tenure, he "has been here longer than you" despite not being here for over 10 years.

>>280190787
But it's not slaveowner-kun being good to them. That's my point. It's just slaveowner-kun being the only means of survival because you're trapped in the land of cunts.
If you're dying of thirst and someone with loads of water offers to piss on your face, he is not a kind man.

>>280187363 (OP)
Frankly I think Americans are just mind-broken by their own past endeavours and react extremely strongly to slavery appearing in fiction. My guess is that their extreme guilt about slavery makes most of them simply unable to deal with the subject even in fantasy stories which portray more primitive societies.

>>280191069
Technically they're MY merchandise until I sell them to the wholesaler. When I say "slaver goon" I mean the guy doing the actual enslaving, not some random guard in the slave shop or whatever. They're MY property until I sell them off, and if I don't mind making less money cause all the girls I sell aren't virgins that's my choice.

>>280191189
In general yes, Americans have a hopelessly biased view of slavery colored by their own history and the way it was practiced in America. But anybody with a little historical education knows slaver comes in a variety of forms.

>>280191214
Eh, without the financial backing of a slave merchant, the whole enslaving thing tends to be mighty dangerous, as peeps do try to defend themselves, and hiring others to act as your hired muscles and helpers is very expensive as well.
You'd better build your own slave ranch instead, where you breed slave girls yourself, instead of catching wild ones.

>>280191214
Sounds good until you get some bad months and you've built up a rep of tainted products.

>>280190681
They hated him because he had big mouth, little brain and no dick.

>>280191311
>tainted
A female slave isn't worthless just cause she's not a virgin, in fact not being a virgin does not in any way diminish her value as a domestic slave or a field slave. It likely would not even diminish her value as a prostitute provided she's beautiful. Conversely an ugly virgin likely wouldn't fetch a high price no matter what.

anime males are asexual jesus archetypes actually

>>280187363 (OP)
You, or whoever made this picture, write SLAVERY in all caps to bring attention to it, despite the fact that core issue is that
>uninteresting
>don't want to come up with
If, by some miracle, writer decides not to do SLAVERY, their story won't suddenly become better.

>>280189596
They do that every other week here

>>280191307
Living with slaves is a nightmare enough to make anyone paranoid. I'm not goody-goody isekaijin protagonist who is unconditionally adored by obedient slaves, those fuckers will lynch me the first chance they get. I'd lose more money in paying for armed guards than I'd earn selling the children.

Of course I could be less of a horrible bastard so they wouldn't try to revolt but I am a man of principle and I refuse to compromise.

>>280189769
Why yes, you figured it out. Hell I'm pretty sure a good chunk of modern WN culture stemmed from fanfiction based on how X character would TOTALLY be better in Zero no Tsukamina

>>280189769
Yes, Zero no Tsukaima is the progenitor of modern isekai web novels. Or at least a huge lot of them. The author dying without finishing the series might've been what triggered so many people to write their own take on the concept.

>>280188972
Crazy

>>280191419
In the end, you will have to work with the slave merchant association.
Freelance slavers just can't survive in the harsh slave-based economy against the big established players.

>>280187363 (OP)
Because human trafficking/slavery is fucking awful.
t. former slave (defined as forced to work and cannot quit without being thrown in prison or at worst executed legally)

>>280191161
I get the point you tried to make but I doubt you can give me that many examples (or any at all) about slave owner MC that actually treat their slaves like shit.
At most, I guess the shield dude with Raphtalia was a bit of an asshole when they first met, and even then he wasn't unnecessarily cruel. Also, considering he already saved her life, she had him in very high steem, he would have needed to do something horrible for her to hate him.

>>280189008
It's still widespread in certain Islamic parts of Africa

>>280191389
explain Rudeus.

>>280191504
You just gotta be meaner, nastier, and tougher than everybody else. They try to undercut you by selling in bulk, so you can't make money with a half dozen slaves anymore? You raid their slaving parties and kill their slave stock. You find the slavers who take guild / association money and you beat the fuck out of them and take their money. They send goons after you, fuck off into the hills. I spend all my time out in the country hunting slaves, I can survive, city goons can't. Eventually I get to be such a menace they have two options: take out a huge hit on me with the assassin's guild or just pay me what I'm worth to not fuck up their business. I just have to make my offer cheaper than the assassin's guild.

My favourite Isekai anime that has the love interest as a slave is InuYasha.

>>280191566
MT is anomalous, it spawned a lot of imitators who couldn't commit to its unabashed sexuality and perviness.

>>280190778
women have +4 charisma however when they're young

>>280189890
On average they are smarter than you.

>>280191570
You'll need to build up your own organization, bro.
The slave merchants will pay the assassins in order to make an example out of you, no matter how high the cost, because you might inspire other small-time slavers to go independent and do what you did, and that would be even costlier to them.
In the worst case, those isekaijins™ will be sent after you, and you know how crazy strong they are.
Build up your own cartel. I know being a big boss of a slaver syndicate is not as fun as being a field slaver raping a bunch of girls, but it's the only way to survive, I'm telling you.

>>280191004
>le wholesome bondage where they ask for it
REDDIT
you have to ryona them into submission

>>280191057
>>280191214
>>280191307
>>280191419
Wait, you mean you can actually just resell your slaves wholesale? I've just been sacrificing dozens of them to Parasite Trees for the past six years. The catering costs for the blood orgies alone barely had us breaking even.

>>280187363 (OP)
Because it's handled like trash in most depictions and is a shitty excuse for badly written bdsm fanservice for normalfags
I like slave stuff, but it's just not worth my time watching most shitty isekai versions of it

>>280191078
Like half of isekai protagonists have the ability to pull up her status menu, you retard.

Slavery can be done right, but you need charisma and actually have touched grass, you can't take it seriously when it is some stinking high school teenager doing it.

>>280191189
or maybe we just realized slavery is not a good business model

>>280187363 (OP)
We're all slaves to someone or something.

>if you set me free i'd just ask you to make me your slave again
This is realistic, serfs did that sometimes.
"we are yours, but land is ours"

>>280191635
what they can't do is embrace the sexuality without making it crude and pornographic. redo of healer exists, but it's vile.
MT has a whole lot else going on, family and friendships and adventures, while still being honest about how much the MC loves fucking his wives and girlfriends. importantly he sets out to wife up the women has sex with.

>>280191871
>not a good business model
It's an excellent one if you don't give a shit, it's still being employed globally to great effect.

>>280191871
>slavery is not a good business model
Only local slavery isn't good, because foreign slavery is better.
African slaves are cheaper than American slaves.

>>280191881
>>280191925
I have to wonder the people who make post rationalizing this behavior
If I didn't know different I'd just assume they were test ai posters

>>280191189
>>280191251
Well, for the Americans, the one big thing that reminds them about their history with slavery constantly is the fact that some of their fellow contemporary citizens have the same skintone as their slave forefathers that were brought to America.

>hate skill levels and dungeons
>love slavery
suffering

>>280189769
Basically all the "major" first wave of Narou WNs that got big anime adaptations (e.g. MT and Re:Zero) were by people that started on Narou writing ZnT fanfic, it's patient 0 of narou kei

>>280187363 (OP)
because it reveals an immature need to be 100% in control of a romantic relationship in order to be comfortable with it. and usually denial of that immaturity when confronted by it.

>>280192050
>100% in control
that's a pet, not romance.
though yeah the audience for these titles wants a pet, not a partner

>>280191989
It's just people wanting to chime in with their """"wisdom"""""
>Life's unfair sometimes lol
>Well bad things need to happen so we can appreciate the good

>>280192010
there's a game for you

Don't care. Every mans dream is to have a beastgirl slave he can sleep with every night

When did /a/ and majority of this site stop being a bunch of relatively misogynistic dudes who had taboo opinions? Like it's like we can't even come to a consensus anymore that homos are wrong, women are vessels and female characters don't need to be well written. Like man the recent influx of people since 2016 has just been ruining the board.

>>280188397
Toadstool factory's slave series is absolute Kino and I'll tolerate absolutely no argument to the contrary.

>>280192190
>Why is /a/ not a monolith """""anymore"""""
Rope

>>280192083
which one?

>>280187363 (OP)
She wouldn't have complained if it was this

>>280191189
Most black Americans have slavery so ingrained into their mind that it seems almost impossible to remove it from their identity

>>280188397
i'm a japanese isekai protagonist now? because this is me.

All of that is cool but is there an isekai for femdomchads where the MC gets enslaved by a girl?

buying cute but sickly slaves and nursing them back to health until they love you is one of fantasy life's greatest joys

>>280191408
404

>>280189890
Your mother and your grandmother is a woman, do you want them to be enslaved and treated badly? If you ever had a daughter would you like another man to just enslave her and rape her nonstop? Even if she's the dear daughter you raised? How about it now? Do you feel some empathy to women? You were born from one and wihtout them you wouldnt exist, fucking retard

>>280192218
Used to be we could all could say nigger and YNBAW without too much pushback

>>280188704
pretty much the dictionary definition, actually.
just own it.

>>280192259
FreeCities pregmod
i forgot it actually has a lot of stats. but it also is 100% about sexual slavery so who knows, maybe you'll like it.

>>280192350
Does it ever occur to you that people see outsiders of their bloodline as genuinely different creatures unrelated to them? "Women" are not a monolith any more than men are. I love my mother, but women outside the people I know are randos.

>>280191307
So you're saying you'll have children with them and then sell your own kids? You're really a piece of shit

>>280192190
What you're describing as a former consensus is in fact the tourist culture post-2015 that originates with /v/ and /pol/. Just like anime and manga in general, /a/ was never misogynistic or homophobic until tourists infected with western culture war nonsense started coming here to shitpost.

>>280192422
Psychopath mindset lol

>>280192422
Sure but you're talking about a society that enslaves women, so you should expect the same shit to happen to yours if they're too pretty, like your sister getting kidnaped and enslaved and raped and sold, or your daughters. It applies to all, even your own blood, so you're not "safe" from it. Therefore, you either actively fight against it or run away, if you engage with it you're only making it worse, increasing the chances for your family to be affected as a result.

>>280192351
I'm over 30 already, I'm way past the age where being an edgy sperg was cool, it's about time to mature already
(Both extremes are bad, by the way)

>>280192436
Misogyny was always big on this website. Not for good reasons, mainly because most people here probably had bad hangups with women. This post here >>280192350 would be extremely rare back in the day

>>280188532
yeah i can think of at least three. only title i can recall though is Isekai Meikyuu de Harem, the others are just a blur of tropes in my memory.

>>280192350
Everyone's a hypocrite for family faggot.

>>280192350
Stupid white knights are always so pathetic

>>280189866
doesn't that make it better, not worse?
i think enslaving your own people is more fucked up than enslaving wholly separate tribes.

>>280188914
Timur was actually a pretty good king. Just for persia and central asia and not anywhere else lulsz

>>280192505
It was there, but not big. Posts like that would be rare because it was also rare to declare seriously that women should be enslaved and raped. There's a big difference between the old awkward, bitter rejection of 3D and the tourist fanaticism for actual misogyny.

>>280192532
Sure but the problem would also affect your own family you retarded nigger, can't you think with your head for more than one second? The whole world building is terrible anyway in most of these series that include slavery. And are always convenient plot devices. It's even more hilarous when they try to take it seriously, it just becomes worse.

>>280192550
Pathetic in what regard? In seeing plot holes on your favorite trope? I'm just criticizing how retarded all of it is, and how you don't seem to find any problem to it until you're suddenly put into the same situation.

I bet half the anons in here want to be the anime slave girl

>>280188532
If it's a narou-kei and a harem you can safely bet there's at least one slave girl. If you wanna ante up a bit, you can bet she's a beastgirl or some other non-human. Hundreds of WNs/LNs/manga did it but they're usually so trash they rarely get an anime, even so there must be dozens of anime.
Just off the top of my head: Redo of Healer, Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo, Death March. You could argue the NPCs in Overlord are essentially Ainz' slaves too.

>>280192425
It's just merchandise, after all.

>>280192618
We need a new series where the protagonist is some sort of beast girl slave, maybe a wolf girl, and she eventually finds the opportunity to revel, breaks the slavery seal or something, and kills her new master, the presumed protagonist of the story which is the POV we see at the beginning, baiting all retards into thinking its another generic isekai into shifting into a very angry and cute wolf girl slave tearing apart enslavers and freeing her people.

>>280192630
Merchandise with your own blood and genes anon? they're your own blood... And if you're an isekai mc, you could even have super powered skills they inherit
This practice won't work, and eventually they will come back to you, all your children, and they will kill you and dance around your severed head.

>>280192583
>affect your own family you retarded nigger
And what do you think happens when it benefits my family? I don't even give a shit about what you're arguing about, fuck this dumbass argument. It's for retards and you're a retard for using it.

>>280192597
Which favorite tropes, retard? I don't watch shitty isekai, I only know about this trope thanks to Rance and Shield Hero, which I dropped after 4 episodes.
You create your own straw men based on the simplistic prejudices in your little head because charging against windmills is the only thing a sad white knight like you can do.

>>280192466
No it is a legal thing so it applies to those the law would recognize as slaves. Just like you own a title to a car, which needs to be transferred over to the buyer to make the exchange legitimate, a proper slavery society would have such safeguards. These various isekai never has this brought up because it's like asking what's saurons tax policy. Most of the societies throughout history have these things codified. What you're saying is like asking some rich jew billionaire to share his wealth and not be a greedy fucker because MAYBE HYPOTHETICALLY the people might rise up and fuck him up.

>>280192683
Well if you are engaging with a retarded thing that retards love then you're a retard too anon, have you ever thought about it?

>>280192673
Whites literally did this with their half breeds. I guess it came back to haunt them with all the crying for reparations and blm

>>280192693
Then why the fuck are you engaging with so much passion about it? Are you literally braindead? This is A where we argue about anime and their tropes, you fucking tourist. Go back to /v/eddit

>>280187363 (OP)
women should be enslaved

>>280192350
no, but typically, humans do all kinds of things to others without expecting reciprocal treatment.
would it be wrong to kidnap women from a tribe that practices brutal human sacrifice of women, only to enslave them? you'd be rescuing them from certain death, delivering them into involuntary servitude.

>>280192597
For me, it's being so desperate to prove their feelings have some objective correctness that they wrap their arguments in pseudointellectual non-logic.

>>280192731
All the nigger shit amerimutts are suffering right now is their own fucking fault anyway lmao

>>280192683
That's what they never consider. That some people benefit from it and get away with it. Britain had to pay its slavers reparations after the slaves got freed because it destroyed their business model entirely. It's not like anything bad even happened to the slavers.

>>280192698
Well, and what makes you think your country in specific would be safe from being attacked by a larger empire and getting your people and family enslaved? In a world where slavery is so common, there must be constant wars and the living conditions are fucking shit. Even Rome fell, so nobody is safe.

>>280192744
You're right I think I should go to work, I'm arguing with retarded anons as an excuse to not work. I'll go back to it, love you anon kun

People are too retarded to have this conversation because they can't separate what slavery they're talking about, the gf experience with extra steps, moralfag irl shit, and the actual reason why people like slavery or want to be slaves, and why it should exist in anime/manga

>>280192737
That was literally my first comment in the whole thread, imbecile. I just can't help myself when I see a loser like you protecting women from the tropes that they love. Not like you would ever talk to a woman to know what they love.

>>280192775
Roman collapse was a political and economic concern, it didn't really have anything to do with the institution of slavery per se, which was vastly reduced by the time the Western Roman Empire was invaded by the visigoths. They had debased their currency, their city and their morals to the point that no one gave a fuck anymore. Kind of like the apathetic state of America today, with it's same profligate waste.

There's a way to make indentured servitude safe and legal, and a good way of managing people irresponsibility with their debts. but it will never ever happen. you'd need a rock-solid philosophically inclined political ruler class with the will to do it and risk the political backlash.

So if your guys daughter was enslaved you would be cool with her just being bought?

>>280192919
I'll buy her and fuck her silly.

>>280192625
I don't think Redo of Healer really counts since they're not enslaved but "mindbroken" through "healing magic", and it's kind of implied to be a bad thing that's justified by being a revenge flick.

>>280192919
Of course I'd be okay with it, I'd be the one buying her.

>>280192350
nobody said anything about being treated badly. we're talking about slavery.

>>280192805
>Post yaoi shit
Okay so you're a retarded fujofag, good to know sis

>>280192935
>>280192942
but anons... wouldnt you feel bad about doing that? why would you do something so cruel and evil? poor girl

>>280187363 (OP)
Jesus tyrannosaurus christ, the left cannot fucking meme.

>>280193048
It's not a meme, its criticism

>>280193074
Brevity is the soul of wit, you spiral mound of zebra shit.

>>280193042
the worst thing i'm going to do is some fondling and make i'll fuck her, but probably not because i get soft when girls cry. gay i know.
she'll be well provided for if i am buying slaves. if she has a passion or hobby she wants to pursue, will allow her and pay for it within reason. so long as she's keeping the house clean and my bed warm.

>>280193074
You are talking to people getting scammed by Elon Musk AI phone calls.

>>280193100

>>280193042
Better me than some stranger

>>280187402
Sill is a slave the whole time, but she loves him and is definitely a masochist. He loves her, but still wants her to be a slave and he's a sadist. She could probably escape any time she wants and has a few chances to do so throughout.

>>280193074
>anime tropes are LE NOT REAL!!!
With stupid non-problems like those no wonder they keep losing everywhere.

>>280189863
Just because it is good for the economy and society in general doesn't mean it isn't in your personal immediate interests to not free your slaves. Remember that in historical "slave societies" like Rome or the Antebellum American South, it was the ruling class that owned the vast majority of slaves, not the rest of the population. The ruling class don't care how shit and backwards their society is for everyone else when they get to sit around in opulence all day sipping wine out of golden chalices. And in fact improving the state of society is against their interests since their power is based on maintaining the unequal balance of power between them and everyone else. This same dynamic can be applied across human history. De-industrializing the West has been terrible for the West for instance, but has been great for the Western ruling class.

>>280190894
Cat is a penal slave while dragon was born a slave

>>280192939
I'm not talking about the princesses though, he did buy a wolfgirl slave as well.

>>280193121
>Be careful! People are getting scammed by AI
>The scams

I wonder who falls for these.

>>280187363 (OP)
are slaves THAT common?
people always bring up the same few examples

>>280193150
Anon... your beloved orange is a slave to jews, what are you talking about?

>>280193012
>Twitter whale having a meltdown about slavery
So that explains this thread

>>280192560
It's also not true. The vast majority of slaves throughout history have been essentially "Prisoners of War" who were captured as loot during conquests. Systems like American chattel slavery where the slave population was a self-sustaining community are the exception.

>>280193171
Yes, uh, very good.
Excellent apropos of nothing.

>>280191526
Is it life in prison or can you be a free person after serving the sentence?

>>280193213
I'm not american, retard-kun. It's a real shame that the left is focusing on unsuccessfully arguing about the most retarded shit in the planet instead of the increasing class gap or helping struggling workers. I wish they would stop sucking dick so I could finally vote for them.

>>280193233
I wonder if its the same people that, according to published studies, are asier to get to open their wallets if they see the words "Truth" "Freedom" or "Patriot"

>>280192324
this was slave soldier, for like a chapter and a half

>>280193074
It took them 4 years of gender studies and a master on race theory to understand that anime tropes don't work in real life. They can't meme because they are a meme.

>>280192939
Redo of Healer is so over the top and obviously pornographic I can't take it seriously as actual slavery like in other isekai's instead of just being wacky hentai logic to facilitate sex scenes.

>>280193287
I said very good.

>>280193357
You're a fool for taking the other "MC fucks his harem" isekai as anything more than cheap fanservice or wish-fulfillment though.

>>280193171
Crazy how the left is obsessed with that african retard.

>>280187363 (OP)
Still waiting for someone to prove my bro wrong.

>>280193287
Apparently you who're the only retard who heard about that clickbait shit.

>>280190310
This. Faggots like OP making "it doesn't make sense" threads should be banned. I don't know why these people even get into a hobby that is ultimately about escapism, and then insist on applying real world logic and shit to it. It's funny how they're also always the first ones attacking others for not being able to recognize that an author's worldview isn't always exactly the same as everything he/she depicts in his/her works.

>>280193393
There's a difference between power fantasy & wish fulfillment and farcical sex comedy.

>>280188397
>>280192319
if you look at older movies of teens in conan like fantasy universes the same slavery stuff comes up every time.

Lots of "you should treat me as a slave so the bad guys don't realize we're spies" and such.

>>280193442
Fo you think the idiotic moralfags who get their opinions from xitter are old or cultured enough to know who Conan is?

>>280187363 (OP)
>when you [flajsdjfalskdjaldfhaldskf] and [jfkdslafiuanlfekjfs]...and you [jfdopeinlskdjclsdfnkjfkjfheuwioersdnfkvjdfhsbhgdsfkhgjdksfbgsjhdgbksjhfdgsjfghsdbkfjghsfkbgsdfjhgsdr], or [fjr9wuonelfjksdflvsldfkheoiruieiugsokjskdfghdsflg]
Why do zoomers only know how to speak in run-on sentences? Did they not pass grade school English?

>>280193419
Well let's see
>Economically disadvantageous
>Decreases social cohesion and stability
>Morally degrades those practicing it in ways that accelerate point 1&2.
>Harms technological advancement
>Increases wealth disparity
>Is unsustainable
It's a terrible system.

>>280193442
So "doesn't practice slavery but pretends to in order to trick antagonists" is the same as "Is eager slaver" are the same thing now?

>>280193486
they've been raised by memes

>>280193424
It's because people worship the false god of Realism.
When all they're really after is Believability.

Very different things. But not enough people admit it.

>>280192183
I mean this would've been a lot more wholesome if she wasn't his sex slave

>>280193561
but a lot less fun

>>280193279
People is in the internet arguing because they can't really change shit in real life.
We all are here fantasizing about fictional worlds where our dreams can come true because in reality, nobody but a few have the power to change anything.
What the fuck do you want me to do anyway? I'm just arguing for fun, I'm a writer and I like this kind of shit

>>280193561
Why though? The guy slowly warping his views on morality is one of the great aspects of this show, bro just keep checking what he can get away with in this new world, this is isekai done right.

>>280193354
>When I see a good argument that completely owns me I cannot argue and I just call their argument a "bad meme" even though it was never one!!! I'm a genius!
Okay tard-kun, good to know desuwa

>>280191664
On average they get more certificates for shutting up and doing what they're told because they're more submissive.

>>280187553
I kneel (as a fellow slavemaster showing respect, not a slave)

>>280193561
I hate how detailed the guys nipples are

>>280192183
>>280193561
This anime is one of the worst harem/ecchi anime of all time
>"harem" anime that doesn't have a harem until the 2-minute epilogue of the last episode
>2nd girl isn't even introduced until episode 12
>he treats his slaves like lovers (gay) instead of property (based)
>zero eroticism in any of the sex scenes, it's all forced as fuck
Redo was shit (because of lack of rape after the first episode) but at least it had the kino Flare rape scene. Isekai Meikyuu is garbage, not just by normalfag/twitter standards but even by harem standards. And the normalfags are partly correct that this is fucking cringe because the writer wants you to believe it's a real relationship instead of sex slavery. What he should have done is rape them all into having Stockholm Syndrome (and by "all" I mean Roxanne because once again, the "harem" anime does not introduce the rest of the harem until the literal fucking end of the anime).
Traditional battle harem like Qwaser and Testament blow this out of the water. This new era of isekai ecchi is fucking trash compared to that era.

>>280193736
cringe

>>280193720
Two massive cowtits on the screen and your somehow focused on the dudes nipples. You need to do some self reflection anon

>>280192919
70% percent of enslavement is parents selling their own kid. Of course I'd be happy, I'm getting a cut, I would hope they don't cheap out

>>280193720
Honestly my eyes never made it anywhere near there

>>280193775
The midriff is more appealing

>>280193736
>>he treats his slaves like lovers (gay) instead of property (based)
the problem is these faggy authors are almost as big of virtue signaling moralfags as the people making these threads. own your fetish instead of trying to please people who hate you anyway, homos

>>280193736
My dick in your ass was forced as fuck, invalid points.

>>280187363 (OP)
Slavery in isekai is cringe when done by a male lead.
Slavery in isekai is based when it's yuri.

/thread

>>280193736
>"This show is bad because the MC wasn't rapey enough"
>Proceeds to mention Testament where the MC doesn't even have sex

That "old era" was garbage made for people who enjoy getting blue balled. Highschool DxD, Testament, Qwaser, all the same shit with just teasing and no actual end result. There's literally only like a handful of shows where the MC even has the balls to have sex

>>280193897
True, the male lead is real and he's cucking me when he does that

>>280193885
I'm confused at the argument at hand, so in your opinion slaves should be treated even worse than what people think? You also not taking into consideration that most slaves are happy with their lives, as long you are not fucking them up for the lulz they will be loyal to the person that keep them well fed.

>>280193486
>Why do zoomers only know how to speak in run-on sentences? Did they not pass grade school English?
Or maybe they did, but all of the reading assignments were Cormac McCarthy novels.

>>280187363 (OP)
>image originates from a twittertroon
Stop posting this garbage on my board.

>>280187363 (OP)
Because slavery is wrong, incel.

>>280193658
What argument? That having a slave in the real world isn't wholesome? Impressive for a retard like you to reach such deep conclusion.

>>280193885
Right and they cater to low-T faggots like >>280193769 and >>280193890 who fantasize about falling in love with a fucking slave because they're too pussy to embrace the dark side of the fetish, and too cucked to even imagine falling in love with a non-slave female.
>>280193906
They did in Testament (if you say they don't show PIV then neither does IM) and even with the others, no sex and yet those shows were 10x more erotic and fun than IM, plus they had actual characters instead of the white bread blank slates walking around in IM. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they had sex in every harem, but if your only standard is "having sex" then just watch hentai.

>>280193736
>What he should have done is rape them all into having Stockholm Syndrome
I'm started to see that most isekai slavery hate is people feeling disappointed that the slavery doesn't have or appeal to their fetishes

>>280193643
Try writing something good then instead of arguing about what's obviously just a fetish that applies for both genders.

>>280193405
So much that they'll give their money if an AI version of him is selling a crypto scam.

>>280193422
I have a defense: I don't know shit.

>>280194084
>isekai slavery hate because it doesn't appeal to the fetish
Yes because you get utter normalfag brainlets arguing for more slavery and attracting Twitter troons when all you people want is their vanillafag romances

>>280193424
Wanting to own slaves is escapism?

>>280194206
Everyone knows it's dumb white trash who fall for that shit lol
/biz/ is full of reactionary pieces of shit addicted to the crypto casino. Trump himself has dumped several crypto scams on his cultists, alongside traditional scams like overpriced sneakers and the physical version of fake money.

>>280194067
> "yet those shows were 10x more erotic and fun than IM"
"10x more erotic" and its literally just fondling. Isekai Meikyuu has objectively better ecchi and your retarded if you disagree

>if your only standard is "having sex" then just watch hentai
Yeah I would if hentai wasn't so dogshit. When an anime has better animated sex scenes than most hentai, it shows how garbage the state of hentai is nowadays

>>280194065
yeah this is what always throws me. the plot device is used with the intention and knowledge that the viewer understands its considered bad in the real world. its even stated directly as much in basically every instance. why do these "critics" feel the need to point it out? do they imagine they're educating people?

>>280193170
Oh yeah, her. I forgot about the icy wolfgirl.

>>280193561
Why haven't we gotten another season?

>>280193002
retard

>>280194396
you are gay

>>280193442
It's fucking Conan the Barbarian. There's no delusion he treats the slaves as anything but concubines.

>>280194067
You fags are so hard to please. How can you watch stuff like Labyrinth and say its tame and then at the same time start praising a budget version of Highschool DxD

>>280191189
Americans? The author's are Japanese. They're the ones with this weird fetish.

>>280193820
Based

>>280188048
>show about women
literally nothing makes women happy so I unironically have stopped caring what they say or think

>>280187363 (OP)
The colonial era slave trade and how slaves were treated was brutal to the point other countries who also practiced slavery but not part of the colonial slave trade were shocked at the cruelty used. Countries that participated on this trade teach about it in schools and Americans only have this kind of slavery in mind are unable to even imagine things being different somewhere else.

>>280194442
If Labyrinth had an actual harem then I wouldn't complain nearly as much about the vanilla sex/romance
The fact that it falsely advertised a harem on top of that is what makes me seethe about the show.

I like how anons ITT think anything other than extreme disgust towards slavery and hatred towards slavers is moral. These threads are always filled with slimeballs engaging in apologetics and attempting to soften the concept.

>>280194498
Honestly valid complaint. The marketing for the show is retardedly misleading. But the first girl was the hottest one anyways

>>280192550
Making exceptions for your family is pathetic?

my slave wife loves me

>>280193948
Playfully bullying slaves is hot because it emphasizes their submission. Willingness to forgive overreach and accept inferior status are attractive. Ideally slaves are kept happy but bullied just enough to mildly annoy them. Love can still exist but symmetrical love wastes slave status. The ideal slave relationship is a sincerely happy stockholm syndrome victim.

>>280194444
>implying it's only japs that fantasize about slavery
Lmao sure tradfag

>>280190289
>>280190403
You're right, she's a cartoon.

>>280192740
Would female babies be born slaves?

>>280189890
Depends on what and who they choose.

>>280187363 (OP)
>controversial
only in usa

>>280189166
As if the arabs were any better.

>>280194444
No, it's the Americans who are extra fragile and traumatically butthurt about the subject, that's what I mean. Yeah the authors are Japanese, they're writing the stories but fantasy slavery in fiction isn't controversial to them, it's controversial to Americans who are mind-broken about it due to their own history and culture and get triggered by fiction.

>>280190825
so they're exactly the same?

>>280193561
>dude sees a big titty doggirl he can buy
>murders a whole gang of bandits so he can get enough money
>has sex with her the first night
>proceeds to plow her every episode

Man this show was so peak

>>280190051
Buying the cow

>>280195273
I fucking hear this picture and I hate it,

>>280192324
What about the slave girls he bought treating him like their own pet sex slave?
And like another anon mentioned what you described sounds like Zero no Tsukaima which also has lots of femdom scenes.

>>280187553
Why are you pretending? Are you retarded?

>>280192350
A true man never treats his mother badly and he beats up another man or womam if they insult his mother. But a cheating wife or misbehaving wife is something different.

>>280189849
holy schizophrenia

>>280195198
why are you blaming others for caring about the morality and consequences of slavery? you are psychopathic subhuman. worse than an animal.

>>280192456
The opposite. A psychopath doesn't care about his own people. A universalist is more of a psychopath than the tribalist.

>>280192466
Cuck behavior. I don't care if random africans starve in africa or kill each other. But according to your logic we should all help them and prevent them just so that more of then live to invade our countries.

>>280192583
Like the other mentioned most slaves were prisoners of war. This could only happen if another nation invaded you. But that other nation would have completely other morals to mine. It wouldn't matter if we abolished slavery if the others still practiced it.>>280191526

>>280187363 (OP)
I'd respect it more if more was done with the actual slavery part.
As it is, most of them boil down to 'Let's pick out a girlfriend from the girlfriend store'.
Motherfuckers can't even be bothered to write a 'girl gets rescued from muggers' scene to introduce their main heroine anymore.

>>280187363 (OP)
It ISN'T controversial but actually prevalent and yes, it is obnoxious yet men's most basic and animalistic desire such as many isekai stem from, more appealing to many in this brink of modern time.

>>280193279
The left doesn't care about that. They care about importing millions of blacks and muslims and giving them privileges to kill you.

>>280195935
Any kind of good character writing and dynamics would be a boon to these type of isekai trash.

>>280187363 (OP)
Slavery is wrong.

>>280196178
what if she's been a BAD girl and i'm going to CORRECT her?

>>280187363 (OP)
I don’t care

>>280195757
You're very sensitive. I'm not "blaming" anyone of anything because there's nothing to be blamed for in the first place. It's merely an observation of the fact that the subject of fictional slavery causes an unnaturally loud and whiny reaction whenever it appears.

Plenty of stories are filled to the brim with immoral and unethical subject matter (for example: violence, murder, war, theft, discrimination, racism and so on) but slavery stands out as a particularly sore spot for certain people (like yourself, it seems) despite plenty of other subjects - often in the same stories - which are just as bad if not even worse getting nothing but crickets as a reaction. The loud whine is always about slavery, it's always extreme and exaggerated reactions about slavery but never about murder, or genocide, or whatever else.

>you are psychopathic subhuman. worse than an animal.
See what I mean? Extremely unhinged reaction. You are attempting to speak about morality while at the same time hurling insults in an attempt to make real people upset, because the subject of fictional slavery that happens to characters which do not actually exist is being discussed and you just cannot take it. Something in your mind is a bit broken, you can't even notice the dissonance. The subject causes such derangement in you that you cannot even handle it in purely made up stories.

>>280189596
You can tell a lot about a guy by how he reacts to Romance novel love interests. Boy do some people have some interesting thoughts on what irl acts those love interests justify.

>>280191158
How come he's heckin based and valid then

>>280192618
how has this not been written yet
anyone know of a series with this premise?

Slavery exists because massacring a defeated tribe or village or whatever is grossly inhumane and very difficult to get the winning side to commit to. These people will starve to death because they're now dispossessed of their shit for being on the losing side.
I say exists because it still goes on (in Africa). So not even the dumbest most violent ethnic group sees the point in bloodyhanded genocide (although a good amount have anyway like Hutu/Tutsi ethnic cleansing).
Slavery is wrong though because it ruins the economy for whatever they're doing and makes the slaveowning people weak and complacent, not because slightly-less dark blacks had a bad time for a while in olde burgerland.

>>280195059
What do the Arabs have to do with anything I said...?

>>280196587
sounds like pathetic tranny nonsense

>>280196999
I didn't ask for some tasteless chud's opinion

>>280197043
wanting to be an anime girl is one thing; wanting to be an anime girl AND BE ENSLAVED is cuck fetish behavior.

>>280197089
It's just one step down the slippery slope, nothing to get your panties in a twist about

>>280196587
Doesn't Reincarnation Colosseum have something like that? I only read a little of it a while ago but I thought I remember something like the Colosseum losers get turned into sex slave girls, regardless of sex.

>>280189166
I think they called it the sharecropping system in America.

>>280196999
>tranny
Kill yourself back to /pol/, tourist

>>280196239
>Plenty of stories are filled to the brim with immoral and unethical subject matter (for example: violence, murder, war, theft, discrimination, racism and so on) but slavery stands out as a particularly sore spot for certain people (like yourself, it seems) despite plenty of other subjects
This is completely wrong, sorry. It's obvious that you get upset when you see people with a conscience, which you lack, and so you feel the need to criticize it in any capacity you can find. This is fueled purely by selfish behavior. I bet when it comes to your own problems you will sing a completely different tune.

>>280192351
"Used to be" nobody said ywnbaw at all, because that's a relatively recent development of the propaganda infesting this site with intent of radicalizing young men.

Normalgroids scream and cry about fictional slavery while using products produced by real slavery.

>>280187363 (OP)
Everyone that isn't a master is a slave. This has always been true and will always be true. The nature of the relationship has changed over time yet a slave is always a slave, be it with chains or debt there is always a master who exists to exploit the slave for personal gain.
Giving the slave a roof over their head and food in their stomach is more than can be said of todays slaves who toil away under the guise of freedom, their obedience being bought with bread and circuses.

>>280197463
based, you should post that on twitter

>>280197494
Wish I could whip you for being such a cock sucking faggot but you're not a slave so I can't

>>280197494
i mean, you're not wrong. this labor market is so dysfunctional it practically is slavery.
i used to be pro-jobs but 20 years in and out of the labor market i now see that it's pretty much a bum rap, you can't just show up and do a good job and get promoted and earn more, no. either you're a fucking Company Man or you are going nowhere. doesn't matter how hard you work. you mouth the right lines and believe the right bullshit and you get promoted regardless of effort or talent.
show up work 40 hours a week tired as fuck no free time barely making rent have trouble going to sleep wake up do it all over again... this shit fucking blows.

>>280191808
I know what you are getting at, but for most people it will go way over their heads when you bring up Tensura here, since they only scrap the surface and only associate slavery with the elves that Masayuki freed or such.

>>280188532
No. They meme it based on these two series. Shield Hero did it now it's le heckerino isekai trope omg.

>>280197387
>with intent of radicalizing young men.
faggot

>>280197625
...but having kids and consigning them to this life is GOOD, because....uh....muh genes! muh lineage!!!

Reminder, pt Barnum was exactly this.
He took a blind, deaf, terminally ill slave woman, bought her, turned her into a sideshow attraction, and fed, clothed, and housed her for the last five years of her life, which was undoubtedly lengthened by his taking care of her.
He then went on to run his circus and eventually sold his show so he could become a US senator and try to abolish slavery.

>>280189960
safe racism

>caring about isekai in fucking 2025
lmao

>>280187363 (OP)
ask yourself if you would like to be a slave. No?
I wonder why.

>>280197892
You're already a slave to impersonal forces like gravity and biology and time.

>>280188704
it's a capitalist perversion, according to mao zedong. homos are also worse than pedophiles according to your prophet, karl marx.

>>280187363 (OP)
Wat

>>280197957
Your communist boogeyman is not here

>>280187363 (OP)
WORDS
WORDS
WORDS

>>280190677
And like all isekai tropes, Rance invented it.

>>280191158
He's reddit just like Pokemon Horizons

>>280191570
>You find the slavers who take guild / association money and you beat the fuck out of them and take their money.
and then they retaliate. if you're going after someone, you don't just beat him up and leave him alive, that's a recipe for disaster. you fuck him up so badly he can never go after you, and for good measure you also fuck up anyone related to him who would want revenge.
learn from machiavelli, never leave your enemies alive.

>>280194308
Accepting a fantasy world where it might be a norm is. Yes.

>>280188397
Holy shit I posted this because I thought it was funny. I didn't realize how much seethe it would trigger.

>>280193523
>get a cute elf girl
Fuck your 'unsustainable' system

>>280197494
Everyone should be the master of their own. If you conquer your inner beast and find the truth with the highest purpose be it either religion or personal philosophy, you are the master of your own and nothing else matters in life. Not even bucks. Spiritual emptiness without purpose is what makes men slaves, forever will be.
>>280197625
Slowly started in the 70s, rapidly accelerated in the 80s, irreversibly doomed since the post Cold War 90s throughout the West. Neoliberalism garnered by IMF, World Bank and WEF feudal lords has become an unfixable monster and only brute force can defeat it which is what happening in Eastern Europe right now. We will NEVER bring back the living standard of the 50s and 60s of the world unless we do it. There is no balance or whatsoever since we are literally living in techno feudal society right now.

western capitalist democratic liberalism is the ultimate system of human government and isekaijin have a duty to end backwards institutions like (non-constitutional) monarchy, slavery, hereditary nobility, warrior castes, state religion and to ensure a global rule based world order that prevents illegal wars.

>>280198451
God Bless America.

>>280193486
At least this one has commas to break it up. Far too often I see full fucking paragraphs without a single comma or full stop.
Boomers on the other hand tend to do this..................... with long dot dot dots between sentences.............. as if they're using the ellipses to represent a pause in their stream of consciousness typing.

>>280188835
>>280188681
Holy shit guys go be revisionist somewhere else, we have literal first hand evidence Julius Caesar was a ladykiller who fucked bitches 24/7 ontop of having a fucking son with the woman he made queen of Egypt all while being married and nobody gave a fuck. Polyamory wasn't law but it sure as shit wasn't unexpected that people just fucked others constantly.

>>280198593
Elon Musk has 14 children with 14 different women that means that poliamory is law in America and everyone does it all the time.

>>280198451
thank you wise isekaijin for enlightening our backwards culture with your ingenious "crop rotation" "egg rice" and "elections"

It always makes me laugh when people say
>If i was transported to another world like them, i wouldn't buy slaves
Pfff, yeah sure.

>>280198731
i don't agree with slavery. but, if i was isekai'd, i would buy a couple for domestic servitude. wash the sheets and suck my dick, that sort of thing.
i'm a fair and gentle man.

>>280198731
I would be far too paranoid to own slaves.

>>280198822
they're very unlikely to murder you unless you give them a reason. also consider slave-owning societies know there's a bit of risk here, so they have rules. in rome, an entire households slaves would face execution if one of them killed a non-slave. so there is a strong incentive to self-police.

magical slave contract where you die if you betray your master bullshit would be so broken it would actually be interesting.

Imagine armies of 100% loyal soldiers and governments of 100% loyal ministers or 100% loyal corpo employees

>slavery thread
>hardly anyone posts slaves
What explains all the casuals slavery attracts

>>280198731
I would buy them only so I can feel morally superior by immediately giving them freedom. I also just love making other people happy, makes me happy too.

>>280198577
It's boomers and Gen Xers to be fair.
Funny how, regardless of who is being shit on in the generation war debate - be it boomers, millennials or zoomers - Gen X is almost never mentioned by name.

>>280198731
If you were transported to another world, YOU are more likely to be enslaved than actually end up in a position to buy them. Not the sexy kind of slavery either.

>Play Fire Emblem 1
>Marth casually dismantles slavery while liberating the capital.
>Gets at least 3 10/10 women lusting after his Falchion.
Isekai protagonists are just pussies.

>>280198980
>spend shitload of money on these slaves
>"lol you are free! cool huh? i know i am the best"
>"ok thank you bye"
>they leave

meanwhile i am over here teaching my slave sexual submission and getting a good ROI

>>280199163
It's meaningless if she is forced to obey your every command, you aren't teaching her shit in reality.
I'm confident enough in myself that I don't need fake shit.

>>280199229

>slavery rage bait threads get more (You)s than rape threads
Ninbros...

>>280187363 (OP)
Americans and the sacred negro.

>>280187363 (OP)
A lot of slaves where historically treated exellent and lives bettwne lives than most.
Of course, it depends and varries wildily on reagion/culture.

If you were a slave in africa, you drew the short straw.
A servant slave in Rome? You were basically family.

>>280199295
slave is the superior rape anyways.
you can control women indefinitely instead of being a one off thing

>>280187363 (OP)
women hate the idea of 'substandard' men having access to women in any way. even in fiction, they want "losers" to be sexless and alone.

>>280194393
They used a lot from the manga, and the manga is only just about to reach the third girl, probably only halfway to enough volumes to use for a new season. If they wanted to make another at all it would take longer.

Any isekai where the MC overthrows the system and abolishes slavery?
That would be me.

>>280199363
Prostitution exists, anon.

>>280199336
You're right but you can't uphold forced labor because you treat the worker correctly.
Slavery violating human rights was an American interpretation.

>>280191476
I just find it funny that's it's basically the same thing but inverted.

>>280199392
American slavery did violate human rights because it was inherently racial. Roman slavery was not since they were pretty open to enslaving even fellow Romans.

>>280195718
It's redditspeak

>>280199403
Slavery doesn't violate human rights if its colorblind? Huh?

>>280187363 (OP)
>>280188397
I get where this criticism is coming from but these tropes are usually in a story that is pure wish fulfillment from the get-go, where the main character is already OP and perfect and invincible
So I'm not sure why they have a problem with the enslaved female aspect of such a story and not with the rest of the crap that these dime-a-dozen isekai slop have

>>280187524
>pedo sees no problem with owning people
Checks out

>>280199392
fuck muricans and brits for ending slavery
If you didn't i could have had a nice slave maid right now.

>>280199425
Depends on what human rights are.

>>280190778
How does that explain your -5 strength?

>>280187363 (OP)
So now that twitter has been purged of cancel culture, it winds up on 4chan, huh

>>280192295
>run a warehouse
>buy a stick to help you house wares

>>280188972
>just become an enemy of the system for a bunch of people who would probably die from starvation or disease anyway if you were to just set them free because it's "the good thing to do(tm)"
Unless the story is about a villain(how ironic), or about slavery abolitionism the mc can't really do that.

>>280199503
Just like when it purged racist. Imagine that

>>280189863
> MC buys the slaves and frees them
> they just get enslaved again.

I wish I were a woman

>>280199295
rape is boring and vanilla, you find a bitch and fuck her into submission without her permission
slavery should be a more degenerate fetish seeing as you own the bitch legally as if she was property but its instead just a more edgy way of getting a vanilla love interest because the slave owner "is such a nice master"

>>280199374
protip: women pushed for the criminalisation of prostitution because they didn't want incels getting laid.

>>280199295
At least the rape threads have people that like rape, all this thread attracted were mostly the larping isekaifags who want easy gfs and moralfags

>>280199592
Nah i like slavery, problem is that it's criminalized
I really wish fags didn't criminalize it

>>280199622
Just move to the middle east.

>>280199622
>He wants the whole world to be like Libya

>>280188972
What an absurd post. You have an absolute phenomena like Kimetsu no Yaiba which has an extremely kind-hearted protagonist. Thinking that the majority of contemporary MCs are just bastards is just some nonsense so you can pull the "old good new bad" shit.

Slavery was objectively a good thing. Half of the posters in this thread wouldn't be here if their ancestors weren't taken slaves, for they would be killed instead.

>>280197494
Oh, fuck off. A modern wage worker has everything a slave does not. They have the right to choose who to work for. They have the right to choose who to marry. They have the right to choose where to live. They have the right to choose end their employment contract. They have the right to own their stuff and use money as they like. Modern wage work is nothing compared to slavery.
>But what about...
There is no whatabout about this. Sure, the lack of material means might restrict our choices and employers might create unfair contracts, which closely resemble slavery. However, a slave has no way out of situations like this, unless they had a good master. You can end an abusive contract with your boss, but a slave cannot. If you were a slave, you wouldn't even have the right to post things like this without the possibility of your master punishing you.

>>280198317
You blab about techno-feudalism, because it sounds cool, but if you possessed even a little bit of intelligence you'd realize our current system has nothing to do with feudalism or how that worked. You are both the same, so do fuck off as well. People are dying in droves in pointless wars caused by imperialist ambitions and waged with jingoism of old men, who only want more power, and you're clapping your hands like a seal because you imagine it could lead you to experience muh 50s and 60s. That's absolutely pathetic, and only tells me you're a first world baby going through some weltschmerz. Depressed over the state of the world, so you hope its destruction from the cushion of your gaming chair, no matter how many are actually suffering. I hope you have a bad day and step on some dog poo, so you have actual reasons to wish death upon millions.

>>280199622
You can get the slave experience plenty fine if you're actually about that life without needing to cope about legality
If the only way people can imagine getting a slave is buying them, you'd be a shit owner and didn't deserve them in the first place

>>280199748
>can only think of a single counterexample
>see? you're wrong the majority of modern anime aren't like that
Ok retard

>>280199754
True
we should revive slavery, for the sake of new enlightened lineage's like ours

>>280199558
Most slaves in isekai are super cute and extremely capable young women, they could easily find work, like shop assistants or waitresses in cafes and restaurants.

>>280199913
One could argue that's why they are desirable slaves. Nobody wants to buy a stupid or incompetent slave that can't do anything

>>280199913
why would you hire a waitress when you could just buy a slave, then make her blow you after hours?

>>280199975
That then raises the question why all the hot ones haven't already been bought up by dickhead nobles.

>>280200018
Maybe because you are against slavery? Just a thought.

>>280200059
Not enough nobles.

>>280200082
What? Is it one per customer to prevent scalping?

>>280191419
You forget that in a broader society context, if they harmed you, they would be hunted and killed.

So while a slave might be able to sneak a shiv and shank you, they better kill themselves right after (and hope their family/friends aren't punsihed)

>>280200066
if you live in a slave society the cafes wouldn't be. hiring a freed slave would be a worse deal than buying a slave unless their living conditions were comparably poor.

>>280200221
I'd rather pay my employee a livable wage, make less profit and have her serve customers with big smile on her face than keep a slave.
In general slavery is depicted as a seedy affair in isekai so I expect a cafe or shop using slave labor would be less popular among the common citizens.

>>280200095
I'm imagining a swarm of snooty nobles waiting outside the door of a fantasy Walmart or Costco, ready to snatch up newborn kittengirl slaves as soon as the store opens.

>>280193523
>Morally degrades those practicing it
morals are relative

>Harms technological advancement
how?

>Increases wealth disparity
Not really an issue woth thinkingabout. There will always be disparity. There is disparity now without slavery.

>Is unsustainable
Worked for Rome (and most of humainty) for a long time. How sustainable are modern systems? The west is disintegrating, as is most of the world.

>>280197387
>with intent of radicalizing young men.
So called "oldfag", huh?

>>280199585
>Pushed for
Which is why there is no more prostitution.

>>280198593
Caesar is a funny one to bring up considering he divorced his wife on the mere rumor of infidelity, and whenever a woman is thought to be of low moral character in any contemporary histories it's mentioned how huge of a whore she is, then his adopted son went and outlawed adultery in any form.
That's not cultural acceptance of polyamory, that's just the same old story of the rich and powerful doing whatever the hell they want.

>>280197387
Why are you being downvoted for this posr?

>>280199392
>>280199403
"Human rights" are a joke. No such thing. Jsut a dellusion.

Slavery in Isekai should only be used as something for the main character to dismantle or for the main character to suffer from.

>>280200558
>Are a joke
Alright, then I'm sure you won't mind if we take them away for you.

>>280200571
I won't mind if you also take away them for everyone else.

I want to be the slave and my owner be a rich bitch loli.

>>280200558
So is money and "unconditional love".

>>280187363 (OP)
Nobody gonna read all that crap

>>280188397
Slavery is morally repugnant no matter what.

>>280200921
Even if you want to be the slave?

>>280187524
This is such a fucking gigatrash self insert power fantasy anime that I cannot fucking fathom how anyone can watch it without dying from cringe

>>280192775
?
What is the argument here? That empires wouldn't practice slavery because they themselves might get enslaved? Have you read a history book? Everyone was enslaving everyone. Rome beat germanics, sacked a couple of their mudhuts and took slaves. Germanics won a battle against Rome/Sacked a city, they took Romans as slaves. Parthians/Sassanids/Assyrians won against Rome they took romans as slaves, Rome won against them it took them as slaves.

Everyone was enslaving everyone. It was part and parcel of living in the ancient world. Live by the sword die by the sword.

>>280198121
Calling it horizons instead of just pokemon 24 is reddit

>>280187363 (OP)
I never laughed harder in my life.

>>280200938
A mental ailment only death can free you from, face the wall sicko.

>>280200921
>Soijakposter reply to redditbuddy poster
Like pottering it rains

>>280200945
It's the grandpa of all the shit out today that is forming that opinion of yours.

>>280199474
Vaccines

>>280187363 (OP)
How are Isekai slave girls punished for disobedience? What was the most degrading punishment ever shown that you can recall? What would be a narou-kei fantasy equivalent of Derby's dose?

>>280200587
No? Why would I.

>>280201124
Well, bitch, the ex-princess who framed Naofumi from shield hero, could be said to have the most degrading punishment shown.
She's now officially and legally named such in front of the entire world.
Heck, her own mom had to sacrifice her because she behaved that badly and got slave-contracted to the shield hero. She and her father.

>>280199759
>Says there's no what about
>Proceeds to say the what about anyway without invalidating them

>>280200921
But in this Isekai they have theor own gods, the "Lord" isn't present.

>>280201468
>He worships the false pagan gods instead of staying true to the creator of all reality
Weak.

>B-But this goddess.
Demon in disguise and/or false prophet.

>>280197840
I mean he also made an old woman out to be an ancient and then made people purchase tickets to her autopsy to prove him wrong

>>280200571
What I would or wouldn't mind or how would X make me feel is irrelevant.
I don't have to like something for it to be true.

"But how would you feel if it happened to you/your loved one" - mostly likely not good, but it's irrelevent. Trying to make it into an emotional argument is pointless.

>>280201492
It's not a emotional argument, it's a practical one. Human rights do exist, and pretending you hate them is laughable when you would most likely be killed without them.

Very american thread.

>>280201492
>I don't have to like something for it to be true
>>280200558
>"Human rights" are a joke. No such thing.

shit nigger what are you doing

>>280188556
Hajime from arifureta did it

>>280201529
Is that racism in my /a/?

>>280201650
I'm not white, so I can't be racist.

>>280187363 (OP)
Slaw owner in Shield Hero is a pretty cool guy

>>280190051
Where does he sleep?

I want a Isekai where all of humanity is enslaved by monsters/elves and the MC arrives there and becomes a Spartacus esque savior who tries to free them.

>>280188609
Wake me up when there is a plantation anime

>>280201866
Human Ranch or whatever it's called, it's an isekai about elves isekaing humans to be used as livestock for consumption.

>>280201866
Somali and the Forest Spirit has the humans are all slaves. The other part is Planet of the Apes

>>280201924
That one is pretty good, but it ended recently and it did so before the heroes even started thinking about liberation.

>>280201927
Also pretty good, but not Isekai.

>>280201937
Because at some point the story just kept stalling for the sake of misery porn instead of moving the plot towards an actual direction

>>280201957
The plot did stall for way too long. Either way, pretty mid overall unless it hits your particular fetishes.

>>280189554
the best of both worlds is enslaving an unwilling women and then gradually domesticate her into perfect loyalty and love

>>280193424
>>280193554
It's not about being realistic or not, it's about it usually adding absolutely nothing to the story or characters.
Most of the ,,slave" girls work identical to normal female characters. If them being slave was an unwilling and showing that the MC can be a prick, that would add something to the character dynamics and possible development further on. As it is, it's basically just iron collar fetish and that's where it ends.

>>280202025
IT FEELS BETTER WHEN SHE AIN'T AWAKE
IT FEELS BETTER UNINVITED TO HER PLACE

>>280187363 (OP)
Isekai should use arranged marriage instead of slavery
Consummation would not only be expected but required
There would be no concept of divorce, even

the better question is why are people so aggressive when it comes to self insert fiction
just leave people alone and let them enjoy their fantasy
hopefully one day we'll be able to outgrow this culture of policing taste

test

You're all just looking at this from the male perspective. Please consider that being the slave of a powerful man is hot.

>>280202252
Arranged Marriage is not on any fundamental level remotely similar to Slavery, Arranged Marriages are mutually beneficial agreements between two groups, slavery is just legal ownership of a person who is meant to be treated no differently than chatel.

>>280202289
Being afraid of criticism, even when not directed at you, says more about you than the ones giving criticism.

>>280187363 (OP)
Are we pretending women don't get happy being owned again?

>>280202316
You can write arranged marriage to have essentially the same power imbalance that slaver-slave relationships have but there's inherently more leeway to establish equality

>>280201650
>(Dead)
The absolute state of this board

>>280187363 (OP)
The anime skipped on Naofumi's reason to own a slave in the first place, it didn't show it was directly related to his incel rage moment against the entire female species regardless of race after being betrayed by Malty. He even thinks of Raphtalia as nothing more as "just another woman like her, I see no problem taking advantage of her because she's like Malty."

Those were Naofumis often underlooked personality traits and once Raphtalia actually becomes strong enough to handle herself thanks to him and other things she sort of fixes the whole female hate of Naofumi's personality. Yeah, he erred but that was part of his character growth arc you missed due to poor adaptation... Anime-Only watcher.

>>280202252
This, it's way hotter.

>Isekai protagonist has to marry some nobel women to secure his place in the owrld.
>She's reluctant, he's reluctant.
>Everybody keeps asking why she isn't pregnant yet.

>>280202289
It's a disturbing fantasy.

If I found one my neighbor fantasized about raping dogs I wouldn't let him near my dog.

>>280202389
Also, anything post Shield-Hero hamfists slavery into it for marketing and fan-service purposes not any thought provoking or grandstanding reasons.

>>280202433
> While MC's other concubines are getting more numerous and pregnant compared to his wife's belly which is staying relatively flat.

>>280202316
what criticism, you're just making a moral judgement because there's people out there who don't really care about the questionable ethics of this trope
it doesn't matter, it's just (bad) fiction and the people who enjoy these comfortable fantasies usually don't have a lot going on for them, so it'd be easier to just let them have it instead of seething about it on the internet 24/7
Violence and nudity in movies & games, it's always the same crap, I've been listening to this song and dance for twenty years now, what it's really about is just people wanting to force their sensibilities on somebody else

>>280202498
>concubines

>>280202542
>AIEEEEE stop looking down on me!
failed normalgroid behaviour.

>>280202498
>Wife goes from grateful about not being deflowered after her wedding night to slowly being irritated that she isn't getting any.
Hot.

>>280202579
That's not what he said.

>>280202579
>zero reading comprehension
classic dbz esl

>>280202433
MC is reluctant and also white knight, 'I cannot take advantage of you milady'
Wife is reluctant but also proud, 'you insult me by shunning my body so let's have sex dammit'

>>280202546
Very normal thing to have in the feudal times.
>>280202609
> WHY ISN'T HE FUCKING ME! WHY IS HE ONLY FUCKING HIS HAREM MEMBERS FUCK!
> Straps MC to a bed and force fucks him until he impregnates her or apologizes and fucks her normally.

>>280202450
Treating fictional anime tropes the exact same as their real life counterparts is a sign of low IQ

>>280202620
>>280202648
Imagine being so afraid of what other people think about things you like, imagine thinking that simply because something exists it should never be criticised in any way. This is the mentality of a failed normalgroid, somebody who desperately wants validation but is too mentally weak to do so in the space of other's criticisms.

Nobody is stopping you from making what you want or liking what you like but don't pretend that others aren't allowed to have dissenting thoughts about it. Weakness such as yours disgusts me.

>>280187363 (OP)
>why is owning a person controversial
that part makes sense
real question is why they don't go around fucking them all immediately and with impunity? In a culture where it's acceptable and you'd also treat them well? seems like a win-win

>>280189769
stupid dog <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTjtt9de9A

Is cool

>>280202669
>>280202680
>Wife eventually tearfully asks the MC why they haven't consummated their marriage yet.
>Wonders if her body is unattractive, or if he doesn't want to be married.
>MC just replies by saying "I mean, I did promise not to touch you unless you asked and you never asked."
>She asks.

>>280201507
human rights are a social construct. they're not real.

>>280202312
50 Shades and 365 Days yeah

>>280190102
She is, her card in X says Rance has to pay (very high) slave tax because of her status.

>>280202748
THAT'S NOT DIABLO, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS NTR?

>>280202579
it's fake criticism, always was, is and will be
they don't have real dissenting thought about it, they're just offended and it annoys them that there's somebody out there who doesn't think the same way or is equally as outraged as they are
anybody who looks at this isekai crap and its slavery tropes immediately realizes what it's about and what type of customer it has
your larping doesn't change that

>only after she sends him to the shadow realm
....
smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=desJKYvdq9A

>>280202757
Almost everything is a social construct.

>>280187363 (OP)
what's much more controversial and makes no sense as a complaint is people saying
>omg isekai self inserts always hve women flocking all over them, but they're boring, it's such self insert nonsense!!11!
man, your average isekai self insert drowning in pussy is probably the most realistic part of the setting.
"Durr but he boring"
he goes around chopping the heads off of fucking dragons man I guarantee he's more interesting than you.
Plus they're never straight up ugly, they command immense other worldly power and are usually strong enough to take over the world effortlessly, they usually become omega rich within like a week of showing up to the new world and are at least inoffensive and have a strong moral compass.
Imagine that in our world. Imagine like a 10 time Olympic gold medal athlete millionaire with close political ties to most countries in the world, who is also at least passably attractive and will treat you well and someone saying "bro I don't see how he gets pussy, that's so unrealistic".

>>280202312
But most fantasy MCs are not powerful, don't have standing in the world and certainly... They don't own multi-billion dollars worth of gold that they can mess about with slaves as if they were candy for kids. Once they become powerful or actually free them from worse fate I could see it happening (Wortenia Senki, MC kills bandits who captured slaves to be sold and two slave mage chicks just link up with him voluntarily due to finding him trust worthy and honorable due to his deeds in front of them. They did get to kill the escaping bandit after becoming his property instead of the bandits.)

>>280202825
>he goes around chopping the heads off of fucking dragons man I guarantee he's more interesting than you.
The actual issue with Isekai is that he really isn't.

Isekai protagonists are lame because on average they are either made powerful without having to put in any effort, or because despite being very powerful they are boring as shit.

>>280202828
>most fantasy MCs are not powerful
yes they are, isekai is a power fantasy playground

>>280202823
not sex though. that one's biological, and therefore real.

>>280202859
NTA, but he said most fantasy MC's.

Frodo isn't powerful, for instance. Most FE protagonists start off as pretty weak and have to work their way to power. Same for most actual JRPG's like Dragon Quest and FF.

>>280202810
There is no such thing as "fake criticism" there's only "valid" and "non-valid" criticism
>they're just offended
This is a dissenting thought you, dirteater.
>and it annoys them that there's somebody out there who doesn't think the same way or is equally as outraged as they are
Like you are right now? This is normal behaviour retard, why do you think racism and sexism exist? Why do you think we hate normies? You are no different which is why its retarded that you're outraged about this like its a grand revelation.
>anybody who looks at this isekai crap and its slavery tropes immediately realizes what it's about and what type of customer it has
Yes and? This isn't a point, you're not actually saying anything here. No shit, every fucking work and product has an intended audience that still doesn't magically make it immune from crticism.

>>280202853
I agree, most isekai protagonists win the lottery of life and get to live as gods in a new world.
but using their lack of a developed personality to pretend that they wouldn't absolutely drown in pussy is a weird angle I see a lot people take. Boring dudes with none of their upsides get pussy in this world, I don't see why a god in all but name in another world wouldn't

>>280202859
Not at the moment usually when they meet the slaves first (in the first chapters) they are literal nobodies with no prestige or backing from the rich or nobles of the country, usually the contrary.

>>280202907
Honestly, I would be fine with the idea that this dude is surrounded by people that want his dick if they were actually trying to use him. But most Isekai portrays it as genuine romance and affection and not just "My dad wants to control the hero to suit his political aims."

>isekai slop is lazy and recycled
woah never thought of that before
They don't just have the same slave companion they have the same mages following them, the same nobles fawning over them, the same plucky adventurers tagging along etc.

>>280202907
Sure, you could be drowning in pussy without entanglements of slavery included just by being a hero.
> Go to bar, tell how you slew that one dragon that was terrorizing the village and the commoners were deadly afraid of.
> Oh shit its the hero, you suddenly have bar wenches flirting with you and wanting to bang you.
Lmao.

>>280202887
ah yes, Frodo and Marth, the famous slaveowners

I retract my protest

>>280202941
That was what happened in Rising of the Shield Hero and that's why the first few arcs that included the revenge saga worked. They build up unresolved tension and hype to see the villain get their dish served cold so to speak.

>buying a slave
I sleep
>enslaving a powerful woman
real shit

>>280202971
My point is that there is a difference between Isekai and normal fantasy.

>>280202986
It is weird how rarely it happens. Whenever it does it's always stupid "Reincarnated as a monster" crap. At least have the MC be some kind of warlord that chooses to turn captured queens and princesses into concubines rather than executing them.

>>280203025
> We want Rance Sengoku style anime.
Hmm... You may have a point.

>>280202986
>the hero is transported to a new world and given powers, the typical isekai slop start
>there he meets an annoying, haughty noblewoman with blonde drill hair and ohoho laugh
>he uses his powers to enslave her to shut her up
>the remainder of the story is him messing with her
>taking her for walks on a leash like a dog
>feeding her in a bowl on the ground
>using her as a footstool

>>280203061
Rance Sengoku could work. Would also like something based on Genghis Khan or the like.

>>280202896
>There is no such thing as "fake criticism" there's only "valid" and "non-valid" criticism
yes there is, often"criticism" is just a vehicle to insert propaganda, the people criticizing doesn't have valid or even non-valid opinion, they're just trying to influence opinion
9 out 10 times somebody bitching about slavery in manga & anime is just some burger with too much free time and too big of an opinion
>Like you are right now? This is normal behaviour retard, why do you think racism and sexism exist? Why do you think we hate normies? You are no different which is why its retarded that you're outraged about this like its a grand revelation
I don't care, it can be the most normal thing in the world, once this type of thinking gets going and it gains traction it always carries negative consequences, censorship usually follows
and I'm not outraged, if anything your language betrays your own feelings and you're projecting those on me
My opinion is that these feelings are insincere and manufactured and almost always bad faith arguments
>Yes and? This isn't a point, you're not actually saying anything here. No shit, every fucking work and product has an intended audience that still doesn't magically make it immune from crticism
the point is that these stories are fine for what they are, the people who read them like them that way, and the ones who "offer criticism" only really want to destroy it because they dislike it on a personal level, usually because they disagree with the "implications"
people like that are basically glowies, at least on a spiritual level

>>280202754
Can be ultra vanilla if there's no concubines etc, just them
Or the wife is ultra tsun and reluctantly, grudgingly dere about it

>>280203061
Sengoku Rance had female writers, as did Kichikuou Rance which is another part where he's more of a warlord than adventurer.

Buying slaves who won't leave you because you're so nice (and also they're slaves) is a weak-willed male fantasy. Powerful warlords claiming women by force is a fantasy shared by women and strong-willed men.

>>280203074
But yeah, you could probably enjoy the Re:Monster web novel, the MC becomes a proper villain that captures and even has a rape dungeon for captured enemies while still not going unga bunga on everything.
> The females he capture after him protecting them from the rest of the monsters offer themselves up to him out of gratitude because he's the strongest monster in that place.
> Reincarnated as rape goblins basically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs&list=RD2IH8tNQAzSs

>>280203092
>yes there is, often"criticism" is just a vehicle to insert propaganda
projection.
>they're just trying to influence opinion
this is one of the points of criticism, yes.
>I'm not outraged, if anything your language betrays your own feelings and you're projecting those on me
This is just a more verbose "I'm not mad, you are"
>My opinion is that these feelings are insincere and manufactured and almost always bad faith arguments
So it's just non-valid criticism, why care then? You give a shit about everything that comes out a persons mouth you do understand this?
>the point is that these stories are fine for what they are, the people who read them like them that way, and the ones who "offer criticism" only really want to destroy it because they dislike it on a personal level
No shit? what other sort of level could they reasonably dislike something before they criticise it? If they don't like it and voice that they don't for whatever reason if its not a valid one then you don't have to pay any mind to it.

Literally just whining that people don't like what you like.

>>280203141
That is what I would do, frankly. I would have her start off genuinely annoyed, though trying to hide it for the sake of making it work, that she's getting married off to some rando from another world. Only to have her slowly start to turn tsundere as she begins to warm up to the MC. Before finally turning into perfect wife material once they actually consummated their relationship.

>>280203191
>You don't have to give a shit
I screwed up mi ingles

>>280203165
Main issue is I just hate Goblin stuff.

>>280203144
It's hot especially if they are powerful women. Though, for variety, there should 100% be one submissive princess thrown in the mix.

Otherwise though: Haughty queens. Strong female knights. Powerful mages. All perfect slave material.

>>280203141
> Just Vanilla
No way to sell fan service off of just one old ojou-character these days.
>>280203220
Don't worry those goblins evolve and its pretty cool.

>>280192070
A hot fuckable pet is ideal. I have a salon of intellectual male friends for mental stimulation. Meanwhile I have a zoomer tardwife I can tell "put on the cat ears" and then chase her with a whip.

>>280203299
>No way to sell fan service off of just one old ojou-character these days.
Just do one romance REALLY well. Make it the central focus of the story, even.

>>280203317
It just won't work. Its too generic of a plotline to sell on that basis alone. There's myriads of western hack-romance novels with the same set up, it just not worth it.

>>280202312

>>280203340
I like the idea of the MC being some kind of destined Arthur esque king. But I guess that would hardly suffice as a story on it's own.

>>280192483
No you're a newfag, I'm nearly 40, married and teaching my wife new slurs to call people online.

>>280203191
>projection
it happens all the time, I grew up with slasher movies, a lot of time film critics only had one criticism, and it was their moral disagreement with violence against young women
eventually after a lot of complaining by magazines and critics like Siskel and Ebert the industry reacted and started to tone down those movies, ruining them
they didn't like those movies and most never even saw them, but it was important to them that fans like me don't get to enjoy them
>this is one of the points of criticism, yes
then they're propagandist and their opinion is tainted or maybe even bought
and because it's insincere and fabricated it should be called out whenever possible
>This is just a more verbose "I'm not mad, you are
okay
>So it's just non-valid criticism, why care then? You give a shit about everything that comes out a persons mouth you do understand this
I don't give a shit if the opinion is sincere
I like Dragon Ball too, but if you say that Frieza is a shit villain and Cell is way better then I don't have problem with that, even if I completely disagree
if your opinion is that Dragon Ball is too violent and shouldn't be enjoyed by anyone then you're a parasite to me
>No shit? what other sort of level could they reasonably dislike something before they criticise it? If they don't like it and voice that they don't for whatever reason if its not a valid one then you don't have to pay any mind to it
I would enjoy not having to pay any mind to it, but that never works out, because the people who don't like what I like want to make sure that I don't get to enjoy the things that I like because they dislike it

>>280203382
Eh sure. So the plot would go something like this:
> MC is summoned to isekai world.
> He has a purpose of saving the country from falling into ruin, he's a strategist/military enthusiast but otherwise a nobody in terms of modern education, let's just say 18 years old just graduated high school.
> But first before he can save the country he has to get married with one of the king's princesses since he had no male heir, every other relative was gone in the wars that tore apart the kingdom.
> He has to now fix the kingdom's economy and fight the incoming threat of the foreign armies and become the emperor basically.
That sort of set up can work as the back drop for the romance. There just needs to be more happening than just the forced marriage to noble sequence.

>>280203317
>it wont work im sure of it
found the second problem

>>280203201
>Before finally turning into perfect wife material once they actually consummated their relationship.
Every rose has its thorns, keep her thorns.

>>280203467
Slasher movies and thriller gorn fests never stopped being made, never stopped being released theatrically and most importantly never stopped being profitable. Deadass who gives a shit?
>it should be called out whenever possible
So criticise their criticism then, you are free to do so
>if your opinion is that Dragon Ball is too violent and shouldn't be enjoyed by anyone then you're a parasite to me
Why give a shit?
>but that never works out
It does work out, literally always, the mentality of "who gives a shit?" is why Marvel is the brand it is today, why 50 Shades of Grey and Twlight were able to become successful movies and why gacha games continue to generate massive fucking revenue year after year.

Literally no reason to give a shit about invalid criticism beyond being too self-concious

>>280203482
>He has a purpose of saving the country from falling into ruin, he's a strategist/military enthusiast but otherwise a nobody in terms of modern education
I'm not 100% sure about that. I kind of like the idea of him being this "Born in the wrong century" type. Though if that would express itself in him being a huge fan of strategy games, an actual Zhuge Liang esque genius, or just a guy who really likes Chivalry and is able to stick to his believes even as the world tries to reject it is hard to say.

Otherwise, yeah, basically. I guess it's kind of tapping into that whole realist hero thing, but that anime never did much for me. I would probably make it something Fire Emblem esque in tone and style. Possibly the plot would largely involve him having to restore or even liberate the kingdom, while also dealing with some kind of secret behind the scenes supernatural threat.

>>280203201
>>280203557
Have them consummate on the first night, and often afterward, her personal growth wouldn't be only tied to or unlocked with fucking, though the growing intimacy would help

>>280203557
Fair. Though not sure how.

>She remains distant in public but is very warm in private.
>She's just always kind of tsundere.
>Feeling like she's obligated to play the role of the tough advisor she's torn between her love and her desire to help the kingdom.

>>280203574
Gacha games won't stop being just greedy cash grabs once you start thinking about them logically when its just soft-core porn being sold to horny audience.
> Characters can cost $20-60 as a pack in a gacha game to fully unlock its use in game in terms of illustrations and voice lines.
No really you are paying $20-60 for a bunch of voicelines and pixels on screen that don't dramatically affect the gameplay? Only contrary on non-mobage games where there's actual 3D gameplay but still.
> A whole games worth of money for one character.
That's a valid argument.

>>280203604
He could've been looking to join the JSDF after graduating perhaps to make it seem more of a realistic reason as to why he's a military buff? Definitely if he were Japanese he would be more of a Fire Emblem/Sengoku/Dynasty Warriors player.

>>280203632
Infinity Nikki isn't soft core porn, you spacker. It's a cute dress up game. That ruined it self during the patch 1.5 launch, AIEEEEEEEE.

>>280203606
If I made it actual smut I would 100% have them have incredibly awkward and nervous sex on her first night. Otherwise, mweh, I'll think about it.

>>280200359
>Not really an issue woth thinkingabout. There will always be disparity. There is disparity now without slavery.
i get it now. people that like this shit have a slaves mentality. The world is cruel so why not be cruel? Why try to make anything better when I can roll in the shit too. Disgusting.

>>280203667
I could see that. Like I said main question is to what extent he's capable. I honestly kind of like the idea of him just being a enthusiast and not actually a genius. Like perhaps have him struggle with actually being a king compared to just playing strategy games, especially as he slowly starts to feel the weight of his decisions.

>>280203687
Sure sure, do tell me about the sexy poses and way too erotic marketing of characters that are often underage even in their profile or not-stated age-wise. Hehehehe..

Your excuse, beta orbiter?

>>280203688
*Their first night

>>280203688
You're actually writing something? Link it sometime

>>280203726
No really, it's a cute dress up game the game is incredibly girly. And I don't mean that in the lewd way I mean that in the "IT'S DIGITAL BARBIE" way

>>280203713
Well mostly he could have the woman take the lead during important public scenarios as they have more recognition while he's pulling through with his plans in the background sort of deal. I bet the locals wouldn't enjoy being too happy to having to listen to a foreigner even if he's the last hope so, his wife would end up as the PR person for them.

>>280203760
Yes, but not this story.

If I were to write this story I might consider posting it somewhere. Especially if it's smut since I'm 100% not going to use my real name to publish it.

>>280203574
>Slasher movies and thriller gorn fests never stopped being made
after a long period of other promising slasher movies getting hacked to shit because the MPA decided that they get to regulate those movies however they want because "some poeple just gave their heckin' valid opinions"
there's an entire graveyard of properties out there that got done in by thinking like that
Deadass who gives a shit, indeed
>Why give a shit?
Dragonball ended up getting censored because of this line of thinking, depriving millions of fans of the intended viewing experience
it's only because of the internet that we even found out how badly they butchered a lot of the stuff that we got to see over here, once again because of harmless opinions and sensibilities
>It does work out, literally always, the mentality of "who gives a shit?" is why Marvel is the brand it is today
Think about what you just wrote, think really hard
Marvel comics are in the worst state they've been in since their inception, because parasites with fake opinions infiltrated the industry in order to spread a message
Things are as bad as they are because too many people thought
>why give a shit?
It's going to happen to manga and anime too, so called fan communities are already infiltrated by plants who don't read any of it, but they sure want people like you to tell me to not care

>>280203781
I could see that, though I could also see him being very well liked by the people as the destined king, but at least initially not knowing how to actually rule (Especially compared to his love interest who is still a educated noble).

>>280192775
Instead your family gets raped and murdered by the friendly local "diversity" and you just accept that there are "bad" parts of town you must never go to because you live in the most enlightened peaceful society ever.

Meanwhile image if heartland homogeneity was maintained as strictly as your body maintains it's pH levels and then foreign places weren't experimented on with retarded "democratic" governments where women rule over men unchecked and instead colonized with real functioning governments and the conquering soldiers were given plots of land and local women as wives. Wars are omnipresent and externalizing them is optimal. But inviting in the conditions of war to suppress wages so you can remain de facto debt slaves and voting for new clownfaces on the same neolib gov/corp bureaucracy is the best system ever because having computers makes us superior and only h1b can make computers, white boys from Ohio never did anything technically advanced ever.

Read Aristotle's politics, same as everyone did before they started giving university degrees to people who literally have trisomy 21.

>>280203836
Until he gains some sort of reputation by leading an army in the fields himself for one. That sort of a deal. Nobody respects a king that's not risking their necks the same way as they are.

>>280203781
>locals wouldn't enjoy being too happy to having to listen to a foreigner even if he's the last hope
That's what I don't understand about isekai. Most humans in them are european looking. They should be at least suspicious if not outright hostile when a japanese isekai protagonist appears. He is an outsider, an outside who looks very different to them.

>>280203884
There's usually a country that's like oriental enough that often trades with them or whatever and think:
> He's probably like those eastern people we know.
Most people didn't cut you down just for being foreign on your soil in feudal times even if they suspected you, unless your people were notorious about stealing from shops or scamming people. (Gypsies for example.)

>>280203861
Yeah, that would make sense. Initially everybody is very insecure about his capacity to reign due to being a foreigner (Especially if they know he's from a different world). But as he starts earning military victories he quickly becomes an folk hero.

>>280203884
I mean, the whole slavery thing is kind of funny when I'm pretty sure the default reaction to random foreigners walking around with evidence that they are meant to be there (Like merchants or ambassadors) would be to enslave them.

>>280203926
>Most people didn't cut you down just for being foreign on your soil in feudal times
In Ancient Greece it was pretty normal to enslave immigrants since you sure as fuck weren't going to give them legal citizenship.

>>280203809
>there's an entire graveyard of properties out there that got done in by thinking like that
No, that was because of oversatuation and low quality movies and sequels. Leprechaun in the Hood is my favourite comedy
>Dragonball ended up getting censored because of this line of thinking
No it didn't, it got censored because of american broadcasting standards which is a seperate issue, same reason why yugioh had to change the layout of the cards in the english dub. I'm a brit so I we didn't get cucked ya yankee faggot.
>Marvel comics are in the worst state they've been in since their inception
That has nothing to do with Stan Lee building up the brand during the CCA era, that's to do with disney's general level of competance and risk taking in the modern era which has nothing to do with what you think it does. Besides, the MCU and Marvel as a brand are still doing incredibly well on other fronts as seen with Marvel Rivals, the attention towards Tokon and the Thunderbolts* movie
>It's going to happen to manga and anime too
No. you call them plants but really they're just people who grew interested in something popular but find that they don't like aspects of certain things. It's not that they tell you not to care its that these people genuinely aren't going to do anything besides be vocal, its not on you, me or them if anything changes its on the producers and creators. Hence the meme of the silent majority.

>>280203960
Yeah the Ancient times were different, Feudal was more about shared cultural values and not pissing of locals due to influence of religious customs that formed around those times. (Making God's Kingdom on Earth type of scenario which influenced a lot of politics back then.)

>>280203993
Frankly, if we are being perfectly honest, most Isekai tends to be a weird hybrid of ancient times, feudalism, and the early modern period.

>>280204026
But mostly the Church is usually a retro-fitted notCatholic church with a female Goddess and pagan practices with feudal monarchy present and ancient technology (pre-blackpowder) because Magic is still a thing usually and there's no reason to develop past that point with Magic's help.

>>280204051
To be fair, feudal monarchies lasted WAY longer than people often think. Nations as we know them didn't really appear until after the thirty year war, and even then plenty of pseudo feudal states survived.

>>280203982
>No, that was because of oversatuation and low quality movies and sequels. Leprechaun in the Hood is my favourite comedy
that is a very funny movie, but its facts that movies like Friday the 13th Part VI got completely toned down because of a loud minority
oversaturation was definitively a problem, but you're downplaying the political element to win an argument
moral outrage was a big thing back then and it scared a lot of creatives from making the things that they want to make and it's happening again
>it got censored because of american broadcasting standards which is a seperate issue, same reason why yugioh had to change the layout of the cards in the english dub. I'm a brit so I we didn't get cucked ya yankee faggot
it's a ripple effect, I'm from Switzerland, and kraut censorship affected us a lot because Germans are insufferable in that way, I couldn't even get Quake IV with blood because some faggot thought that blood was inappropriate, industry getting infiltrated by totally legitimate criticism once again, am I right
>that's to do with disney's general level of competance and risk taking in the modern era which has nothing to do with what you think it does
oh please, that's just something they tell you to rationalize the decline of the comic book series, they just don't take enough chances!
If anything they're taking too many risks, alienating the core reader base by hiring activist hack writers and artists who brought their own brand of special "criticism"
completely legitimate criticism of course as you say, nothing insidious or fraudulent going on here, nope
In fact it's just as honest as the "isekai has too much slavery" criticism
>the MCU and Marvel as a brand are still doing incredibly well on other fronts as seen with Marvel Rivals
I'll take your word for it, I don't watch or play that stuff, I enjoyed reading Marvel stuff in my youth however, those comic books that are now ruined because of not enough risk-taking

>>280200945
Can you try using human speech next time.

>>280201811
Buried to the hilt in the cow girl I assume

>>280190825
The female version usually has some rape which is pretty hot.

>>280204247
> but you're downplaying the political element to win an argument
Nah, slasher films gave way to the gorn thrillers because there's little more you can do with them until they end up becoming parodies of themselves like what happened with the Halloween franchise, thanks Busta Rhymes! Literally just a case of getting oversatuated when it was a hot topic and then crashing out naturally, this happens to a lot of genres and mediums, its why you don't see that many military themed arena shooters anymore. Same thing happened to gorn thrillers which is why we end up flip flopping between the two in recentish times with reboots and new sequels.
>german censorship
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>oh please, that's just something they tell you to rationalize the decline of the comic book series
Comics are the most devalued aspects of both DC and Marvel due to all of the alternative media they get, there's little point in buying a comic when its contents differ wildly from the more acessible games, movies and tv shows unlike a manga where the anime adaptation has complete parity other than filler and original movies. This is why Batman comics can sell around 50K on a good day ,but still rank high overall as one of the most objectively successful franchices in the world. There's less quality control because at the end of the day the comics are now primarily a vechicle to produce adaptable content for other media sorta similar to what's happening with Pokemon.
>He's never heard "Where's Marvel" or "It's Marvel baby"
>The outpooring of praise for playstation Spiderman(fuck Miles)
>People quoting marvel rival ults

>>280204438
I can't think of many Isekai that just have the MC 100% rape a women.

>>280187363 (OP)
The standard trope in isekai is basically
>A Japanese shounen ends up in a medieval European style fantasy world and mogs them with his modern Japanese civilization knowledge attained from being a little bit on the nerdy side.
Unfortunately, depicting backwards European culture with slavery (but where the Japanese shounen is the only good slave owner) and shit causes the part of the brain in Europeans that simps for any fantasy medieval content to start freaking out and eating itself. As it does this malformed sentences spill out of their mouth like
>muh unnecessary to depict
>Japanese freaks
>etc..
tl;dr: it's only controversial among westoids cause they're effectively the butt of the joke

>>280204661
Well I meant it more the fucking FeMC slave gets raped by some pretty boy aristo who's fucking giant chad dick is so good it like starts rewriting her genetic code and replacing her brain cells with cum.