Thread 280202357

Does symbolism matter?

>>280202357 (OP)
>if it has actual meaning
yes
>just to look cool
no

>>280202357 (OP)
I like how the villains in Evangelion are obviously Jewish but no one in the 90s have noticed it

>>280202411
what do you think?

>>280202357 (OP)
I think in Eva crosses symbolize death:
- there is a cross explosion every time an angel dies
- Misato's dad gives her daughter cross necklace shortly before dying
- Everyone dying during Third Impact is shown by covering the surface of Earth with crosses
- Mass production Evas do the cross shaped pose after dying in the final scene of EoE movie

>>280202554
also you can see a cross behind Kaiji's head when he is just about to die

>>280202554
finally, a smart 4channer

>>280202372
Not true at all. Art requires the Audience to connect to it, the audience's perception is also part of the art. So even if the original author included a symbol without thinking if it has context to the audience it's still relevant

>>280202614
I aint smart cause I genuinely can't tell if you're joking or not

>>280202357 (OP)
This scene symbolizes the pro-choice movement

>>280202441
>Russian and French representatives are jews
What did Anno mean by this?

>>280202357 (OP)
copying off the bible is symbolism?

>>280202936
Eureka Seven did a way better job of using it then Franxx which just copied a few terms and called it a day.

>what if folk religion is based on seasonal changes in the national world?
>what if all these different folk religions from cultures all across the world actually had common themes?
>what if humans made up religion to explain away these things they observe in nature?
>controversially, what if those same themes also exist in modern day religion?
basically an early work of anthropology.

In E7 that folk religion was basically the world under the rule of the council and high nobles until Renton's dad fedora tipped and proved that the unstable planet (which was actually earth all along) is due to an alien organism and that the nobles and their religion was nonsense compared to science leading to Dewey realizing that ritualistically murdering his father in sacrifice to the planet to the disapproval of the other nobles was in fact completely pointless and developed a massive grudge against the council and ayy organism as a result.

>>280202357 (OP)
Why do people think magic symbols and the shapes of laser beams must have actual symbolic value? Why not look at the things the show assigns actual significance to?

>Eva Imaginary
>Anti Universe
>Opher Type Evas
>Black Lilith
>Calvary Base
>Golgotha Object
>Spear of Gaius
>God's Eva
>Additional Impact
Was 3.0+1.0 basically Anno's final "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?" to the 2d4u?

>>280202357 (OP)
It does when the creators actually mean anything by it.
Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds used the Kabbalah better. Z-One's deck was themed after it, with 10 Time Lords named after the 10 branches of the Tree of Life, with an 11th Time Lord representing the Da'at. The Da'at is where all 10 aspects of the Sephiroth come together and thus the monster can't be summoned until he's summoned all 10 and then uses Ein Sof Aur (which represents infinite light).

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T__xXaUi3w0

>>280202411
>failing to notice obviously jewish villains
This trend would persist well into the 2020s.

>>280202411
I thought they were supposed to be gnostics

>>280203129
>what is allusion
>>280203368
>References to mystical traditions in Judaism and Christianity, including Midrashic literature and Kabbalah, are threaded liberally through the series.[60] Complicating viewers' attempts to form an unambiguous interpretation,[61] the series reworks Midrash stories, Zohar images and other Kabbalistic ideas developed from the Book of Genesis[62] to create a new Evangelion-specific mythology.[61] The plot also combines elements of esotericism and mysticism of the Jewish Kabbalah,[63][64] including the Angels, which have common and individual features with the Angels of the religious tradition,[65] such as Sachiel, Sandalphon and Ramiel.[66][67] Assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki stated the religious visual references were intended to make the series more "interesting" and "exotic" for a Japanese audience,[68] denying the existence of a religious meaning for the use of Christian visual symbols in the show.[69] According to Anno, "as the symbols are mixed together, for the first time something like an interrelationship or a meaning emerges".[70]

>According to Patrick Drazen, numerous allusions to the Kojiki and the Nihongi have a prominent role in Evangelion, along with the Shinto vision of the primordial cosmos and the mythical lances of the Shinto deities Izanagi and Izanami. Elements of the Judeo-Christian tradition also feature prominently throughout the series, including references to Adam, Lilith, Eve, the Lance of Longinus,[71] the Dead Sea Scrolls,[72] the Kabbalistic concept of Adam Kadmon, and the Tree of Life. The merging of all human souls into one through the Human Instrumentality Project at the end of the series has been compared to the Kabbalistic concept of tikkun olam.[73] The Evangelions have been likened to the golem of Jewish folklore,[45] and their visual design resembles the traditional depictions of oni, Japanese demons or ogres.[74]
>>280203618
Worldbuilding and allusions is one of its strong points

>>280202357 (OP)
Adding symbolism doesn't automatically make something deep, just like how mentioning Schrödinger's Cat doesn't automatically make somebody smart.

>>280204633
umineko is deep and it has schrodinger's cat, just like bunny girl senpai

>>280204394
There is no gnosticism in Evangelion

>>280202357 (OP)
symbolism made anime great

>>280206295
the elites were transhumanists and they wanted to return to the one

>>280202357 (OP)
>Does symbolism matter?
Sure. If it add something to the story

>>280207752
*adds

>>280207846
nothing wrong with the subjunctive

>>280202357 (OP)
No. There has not been a single show or story that I've enjoyed more because of the symbolism, in fact it usually detracts from the enjoyment because they make a big deal out of how smart they're being. Fucking annoying.

it's the best method of visual storytelling along with body language

>>280203368
because that takes work, and the religious red herrings look cooler