Thread 280219584

Why is rape more controversial than killing? A character can murder all they want but god forbid they rape someone.

>>280219584 (OP)
Killing is usually portrayed as something shocking. Rape, on the other hand, although it is also an act of violence, it tends to be shown as something sensual (Casca rape is basically porn).

Matriarchy.

Because you traumatize the human as a result. If you murder a person then the loved ones still have their memories of the person they loved intact. Rape leaves the survivor a mess and their loved ones often don't know or can't actually help.

It should be pretty obvious why it's worse

>>280219584 (OP)
Murder is impersonal in comparison
Most OP villains in anime can kill a bunch of people in an instant.
Meanwhile, except if you are a tentacle monster, rape is always a 1on1 thing, and like torture rapechads almost always take their time

One is sexual fanservice

>>280219822
You can let this granny jiggle her wrinkly old ass on your cock or die to avoid the trauma. Which do you choose?

>>280219584 (OP)
You can kill without deriving pleasure from it, the same can't be true of rape

>>280219584 (OP)
Murder is often just either the hero dishing out an unsolicited death penalty to someone who deserved it, or a villain removing obstacles out of necessary (even if either of them shows his lack of respect for life).
But it's all cultural. Who knows, maybe the new america will transform hollywood in such a way that depictions rape as punishment for even worse evils will start getting acceptable.

Rape is something you have to live with.

I don't give a shit. They should all be shot. A rapist gives a woman validation by pretending she has erotic capital. Both of them should be killed. Men must die for lusting after women, and women should die and be mutilated for being lusted after. Disgusting, worthless, evil faggots. I long for the day when they all burn.

>>280219584 (OP)
There are multiple circumstances where killing can be considered forgivable or at least understandable, such as it being an accident or in self defense. There's no real scenario where you you would have literally no other options besides rape, aside from maybe being force to do it at gunpoint or something

>>280220209
Calm down, Muhammad, did you see a woman with visible shins?

>>280219822
>Because you traumatize the human as a result. If you murder a person then the loved ones still have their memories of the person they loved intact.
You're a retard. You act like living with trauma is as bad or worse than death. You know what happens when you die? You're fucking dead, kiddo. That's it. The unfathomable amount of time before your birth and the uncountable eons that will come after you're gone blend together. You don't 'not suffer' because you're relieved of the binary states of suffering and not suffering.

Death is the penultimate deprivation of freedom and the antithesis of existence as a living creature, to live in suffering is better than not living at all. You can only think and be this retarded because you're alive.

>>280220209
inject estrogen if you're that asshurt that women have more value than you, lmao

>>280219584 (OP)
Let's see anon, why do you think someone rapes another person? C'mon, you can do it.

>>280220209
Anon, you only exist because at some points your ancestors raped another.

>>280220477
i like people like you who think that penultimate is a fancier version of ultimate rather than just meaning second to last.

>>280220477
>You act like living with trauma is as bad or worse than death.
It can be. Why do you think people kill themselves?

>>280221074
murder takes away a person's chance to heal which already makes it more inherently evil than rape. rape is evil, but so is every form of abuse

It's the same argument in /co/
You can unkill someone but you can't unrape someone

>>280219584 (OP)
You can have mercy killings but there's no such thing as a mercy rape.

>>280221042
Yeah I misspoke, I'm wrong on the semantics, but my post is still correct and you get the message I'm trying to convey, so that's fine.

>>280219584 (OP)
Puritanism and christian values ingrained in modern western societies. Don't try to look for any practical or rational explanation because there isn't. All the other arguments itt are completely retarded.

>>280221211
Sometimes healing isn't possible. Healing can also take too long. If someone has to wait 20 years to get over their trauma, maybe death is preferable. Complete cessation of existence is perfectly fine as you won't feel any pain, it'll be as if you never felt it at all.

>>280221340
Rance saved several lives by raping

>>280219584 (OP)
Sex bad. Murder good.
[This is what right wingers actually believe]

>>280221524
NTA
Then kill yourself, retard. Taking away from someone the ability to choose if they want to live or not is way worse.

>>280221542
More like rape your ancestors = good, kill unborn babies = bad.

>>280221524
>Sometimes healing isn't possible
that's not for you to decide. having the CHANCE to heal is better than being dead and having no chance at all

>>280219584 (OP)
It's the difference between shooting someone in the head or torturing them.

>>280219584 (OP)
Because it results in pregnancy.

>>280221567
Right now I'm fine. If I had to put up with torture I'd prefer death.

>>280219584 (OP)
Because if you rape a woman you're cucking someone. You should marry her instead.

>>280221636
Rape isn't nearly as painful as real torture.

I think that at least part of it is the fact that rape is a continuous act while murder can be an instantaneous decision. i can murder someone in the heat of the moment, in a horrible split second decision, but i need to continue actively making the choice, potentially for hours, days, however long, to rape someone.
also, murder is not an inherently moral act one way or another, it's situational. there are times it can even be justified. you can kill in self defense, but you can't rape in self defense.

>>280221670
Rape is a form of torture, you moron.

>>280221689
If you think rape is nearly as painful as cutting your fingers, pocking your eyes, taking your food or even waterboarding you're a delusional idiot.

>>280221689
Not necessarily. Date rape often involves drugging the woman so she is barely conscious for it and doesn't remember it. They can have trauma after they find out, but it's not exactly torture.

>>280220477
being traumatised is very much not worse than being dead for sure anon. But being hopelessly crippled, quadraplegic tier, or with a long-suffering terminal illness, or dementia/alzheimers etc, thats worse than death i feel.

>>280221764
>being traumatised is very much not worse than being dead for sure anon.
How would you know? Ever been dead before?

>>280221670
it's easy for you to say this but i've seen women curled up on the floor clawing at their skin, screaming and crying while having flashbacks after being raped. it is very much a form of torture that has the potential to become years of psychological torment. also, women are very often brutalized during rape, bitten, punched, sodomized etc. it can absolutely be just as painful as any other form of torture and often is.

I was raped and it wasn't that bad.

>>280221524
thats a pissweak, defeatist mentality. I would bet my arse you've never tried anything to fix yourself except pills and whining at a therapist.

Losers like you unironically need a guy/grifter like Andrew Tate to fix your life. He'll probably scam you a bunch too but at least you'll stop being a woe-is-me faggot.

>>280221773
common sense? a basic understanding of psychology? the ability to think critically?

If deaths not bad, then so what? we all die regardless eventually, and you only get 1 life, so there's no need to speed that up at all.

>>280221680
>but you can't rape in self defense.
not with that attitude. You seen those american prisons?

>>280220477
We know killing is bad, but we also know we wont resent someone who kills in self defense, or in a war, or by accident (unless gross negligence). On the other hand you cannot rape in self defense, to win a war, or by accident.

>>280221798
que?

>>280221778
>it's easy for you to say this but i've seen women curled up on the floor clawing at their skin
There's proven cognitive behavioural therapy processes that solve this, if the women actually commit to them. Sure its a terrible thing, especially if they got raped by a shitskin, but only people who were already broken/deeply flawed mentally before the abuse let it destroy them like that.

>>280221689
There are different degrees of rape. Most rape is just sex. History is full of it. Women became “property” because they were commonly acquired as spoils of war/conquest. Rome was founded on kidnapping droves of women. Captured women would even be used to service armies. Most didn’t off themselves, they got food, baths and general freedom but just had to bork the men (today women bork 1000+ men for social media clicks).

Things get ugly when you start shoving broom sticks or bottles into puss and ass. And even then, most of the 1 million+ german women walked it off after the good guys had their way with them.

Won’t post gore here, but most people don’t know what real torture is. Just rape me and let me walk rather than twist all my extremities, have a dog feast on my genitals, flay my face off and expertly eviscerate me so I can live for days in pure agony.

>>280219584 (OP)
Griffith is both a rapist and a murderer so I dunno why you used this pic. Besides that, the problem with the rape vs. murder debate is that it ignores that rape can just be someone being lazily laid on top of and thrusted into while they stay silent. It's not always brutal or gory like murder. As far as Berserk, people were more morally outraged by Casca's rape than the Band's murder because we saw Griffith rationalize why he had to murder him in his head, while his rape of Casca was more of a petty revenge thing.

>>280221972
murder them*

>>280221778
Now imagine if she went through some real torture. Also she can always get over it or kill herself. A dead person can't.

>>280219584 (OP)
Because people are faggots and put pussy on a pedastel.

>>280221832
>or in a war
I'm pretty extreme about this. I think soldiers are little better than murderers.
They've chosen to kill people for money. Whoever the government tells them to. With a well established history of the government not making good choices.

It's necessary to have a military and obviously you have to defend yourself if you're actually attacked, but we're not fucking Switzerland. People sign up knowing they'll be used primarily to grow the power of international business interests. They're corpo hitmen.

>>280221778
cool story bro
i'll be jerking off to it occasionally

>>280222023
One could rape your ass with a Dragon dildo.

>>280221828
>thats a pissweak, defeatist mentality
It's the reality for some people.

>>280221828
reverse rape!

>>280221828
>thats a pissweak, defeatist mentality. I would bet my arse you've never tried anything to fix yourself except pills and whining at a therapist.
You speak without knowing what anyone has went through. You assumed I was one of those people as well. Why do you speak like a know it all?
>>280221828
>the ability to think critically?
And yet none of your reddit spacing post contained any critical thinking. Death isn't bad as an experience, it's the idea of being cut off from doing good things in future. Ultimately murder can be justified given circumstance but rape can not and is just an explicitly evil, selfish act.

>>280222209
antinatalist faggot detected

>>280219584 (OP)
I'm here to end this thread.
People don't like when bad stuff happens to characters they don't like. There is always controversy when a character dies, but said controversy is greatly softened if the character goes out with a bang. A lot of characters choose to die with a smile to protect others. That's not the case with rape because it's always about humiliation.
Aside from NTR fetishist, there is no one who enjoys rape. Women hate rape because they are afraid of it. White knights losers hate rape because they want to be nice guys for female attention. Chads hate rape because some despicable villain is fucking their waifu. It's a lose-lose situation.
That's when rape happens to established characters. The only ones making a big fuzz about a random rape happening in the background or looking for obvious fetish series to get offended are the usual retarded leftists puritans.
Shoujo rape doesn't operate with the same rules and it's a completely different topic.

Okay, now you can delete this thread.

>>280222333
If Griffith took Casca to his bedroom before raping her I bet it’d be viewed differently. It looks worse because of the disrespect.

>>280222333
>not having a protagonist be the rapist

>>280220477
There was that case recently where an illegal raped a girl. He gouged both her eyes out with a screwdriver. I'd rather die than live through that

>>280221778
>rape can be aggravated by other forms of assault, therefore those other forms of assault are rape

>>280219584 (OP)
Ask Kevin Nash.

>>280222265
>No argument
I haven't even said anything antinatalist.

>>280219584 (OP)
Murder is obviously bad. You see a character murdering another and every part of you knows it's wrong and that you'd never do it. Rape though, you start reading your pic related and there is a real danger you might get a boner. You might get a new fetish. You might like it. There is a bigger chance people start talking about the scene in a positive light as if it was hot. I think this triggers a counter-reaction in people where they have to overreact to point out how horrible rape is to make it clear it's not ok. No one needs to make it clear that murder is not ok, we all know.

>>280222500
There was also some lady who was mugged and shot in the skull, losing one eye and becoming a potato. Muggings are the worst.

>>280222437
Griffith raped Charlotte in her bedroom before jumping through her window and no one gave a shit. Griffith raping Casca is terrible because he forced her to impotently fight against the monsters he siced on the band of the hawk and then watch all of them die. Then he had her beaten up and possibly raped by them. Then he dug his talons in her flesh to wake her up. Then he forced her to look her lover in the eyes while he brutally raped her. All of these cruel acts are more than just rape. They are torture.

>>280222512
you are worse than stupid

>>280222694
It is pretty bad for you when people call out intellectual dishonesty (I'm not denying that rape can be violent or that victims often suffer worse abuse at the same time btw, hope you could pick up on that).

>>280222600
That scene was supposed to make you angry anon, you're just a sick fuck.

>>280219584 (OP)
Christianity infused the west with the idea of an afterlife so death isn't as bad as earthly suffering, even for people who later in ife abandoned christianity.

>>280222845
>thou shalt not kill
There's no "thou shalt not rape"

>>280222861
Because killing directly messes with heaven's HR by sending a surpluss of people in a different order than the natural one, while rape lets them parse your victims files in a timely manner.

>>280222861
>thou shalt not commit adultery
>thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife

>>280220306
>>280220749
>>280220840
Any social system where women gain value, status, or power through the validation or approval of men is inherently evil. Men who validate women maintain this corrupt system and are equally culpable and must die. Whores who rely on men’s validation to gain status should have their faces melted off with acid and starved to death.

>>280222927
Not the same thing as rape whatsoever. The bible instructs the first man to rape a girl to marry her kek

>>280222950
As things should be

Dramatic effect.

>>280222950
What verse?

>>280222927
So as long as you're unmarried you can rape any unmarried woman you want. Or the women of your enemies since they're not your neighbors.

>>280222806
nowhere in the post did i say those other forms of assault are rape. you made that up. some people would call that intellectually dishonest but who am i to say. rape is as painful as any other form of torture, whether that's physically or psychologically.

>>280222927
It’s fine if you just pay her father afterwards.

>>280223005
Hi rabbi

>>280223027
>criticizing old testament laws makes you jewish
Hi retard

>>280222994
Deuteronomy 22:23-29
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Is this the rape thread? Post sexy rape.

>>280221258
>you can't unrape someone
Ok
>You can unkill someone
You what

>>280222927
Those are property laws. If a man rapes an unmarried woman in ancient societies like that, he has to marry her, since he damaged a product her father would have wanted to use to join his clan to another or to get paid by a potential husband for example. Not a problem if he is already married either, polygamy is allowed. If he rapes someone's wife he damaged someone else's property.

>>280223021
This law really goes to show how fucked their culture was. The punishment of marrying your rape victim was legitimately supposed to help her. Because a non-virgin woman was considered defiled and nobody would marry her. And an unmarried woman wasn't allowed to support herself.
It explains some other wacky things in the bible too. Like if your brother dies you're supposed to marry his wife. Because otherwise she wouldn't be able to live. Supporting her without marrying her is never even considered. It's all transactional. If you're taking care of her then obviously she has to put out.

This is the culture that spawned all Abrahamic religions, and it's why they're so ass backwards.

>>280223058
That sounds like its more to bind the man into commitment instead of having him run off after the rape.

>>280222657
>Griffith raped Charlotte
That was consensual sex

>>280223058
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
“As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.”

>>280220477
>You're a retard. You act like living with trauma is as bad or worse than death.
You say that because you've never had to live with true shame. And no, I'm not talking about the shit people "tell" you you should be ashamed about, I'm talking about the personal stuff that eats away at you and haunts you to the point that you want to die. The shit that takes years to get over if you don't get professional help.

>>280223144
No.

>>280223021
>>280223058
>Matthew 5:27-28
>You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

>>280223047
Self-serving, hair-splitting glosses are quintessential Orthodox Judaism.
>Matthew 23:23-24
>Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness.

>>280219782
The only post of value

>>280222044
>They've chosen to kill people for money.
Not every job in the military revolves around shooting someone in the face, but they are trained for it and their job still contributes to it.
But still, getting paid to work out, getting promoted and a pay raise based on how in shape and competent you are, and the better than most health care and GI Bill are good incentives when you consider there's a low chance you'll get deployed to a warzone.

>>280223218
It's called seduction.

>>280219584 (OP)
social contract, initially men owned woman so it was considered a breach of agreement between men to allow for equal distribution of wives, post-feminism its turned into a punishment for challenging their authority

>>280219584 (OP)
For me, I'd rather be killed than raped. Rape destroys your dignity in a way that murder does not.

>>280223169
If they don't kill themself they evidently prefer trauma to death. The vast majority of women prefer rape trauma to death. And this isn't even taking into account fake "attempts".

The amount of harm you're doing is going to vary by victim, making truisms about what crime is worse pretty dumb. But for the majority of women murdering them is worse than raping them.

>>280223344
Neither of them look to be particularly enjoying that and she said "no". It's not seduction, it's awkwardly raping someone too naive and scared to physically resist

>>280219946
Jokes on you I'm into that shit

>>280220114
is this real

>>280223218
She let it happen and enjoyed it

>>280223692
>She let it happen
Doesn't change that it was rape. She did say "no," but didn't scream for help because her father was a pedo.
>It hurts
Yeah, that's what happens when you surprise and then rape an unaroused and confused virgin.

>>280219584 (OP)
Same thing with Anissa in Invincible. Omni man killed thousands for fun and to prove a point. Anissa raped Mark with a good purpose and gets hated.

>>280219584 (OP)
The usual wh(ypocrite)ite things

>>280222947
I'd agree with your point if you weren't being such an over the top edgelord faggot about it

sex is still seen as something pure and sacred even you say no its not you still think its a taboo if you have sex
christcuck ideology got all of you

>>280219822
came to say this and yeah, rape is logically worse than murder

>>280225438
or murder is more merciful if you wanna be specific

>>280220477
This, people unironically think rape is worse than genocide kek

>>280219584 (OP)
Is it really rape if she kisses you back

>>280220477
You're speaking from the wrong point of view, you as the living is scared of death and what it represents, when you're dead all of your living fear is moot
>fear of death is worse than fear of rape
>trauma from effects of rape is worse than trauma from effects of death
Anything about trauma from the effects of death is purely a metaphysical debate

>>280225438
nah most people do just fine after rape

>>280226028
you argument is that murder is ok because the victim is dead and there is no trauma?

>>280219584 (OP)
>Why is rape more controversial than killing?
Women would bravely sacrifice their lives to prevent a man from having an orgasm

>>280219584 (OP)
Its the same as torture
You prolong the suffering of someone and ruin their life, while when you kill you simply end their suffering instantly
Any person with normal morality and empathy would think like this
But obviously you dont because your dick is hard or something, so you gotta argue that your fetish is good and not bad
Just dont try to rape someone anon, it's not worth it, you're going to go to prison and they're going to rape you back

>>280226028
Literal psychopathic mindset, no normal person thinks like this
And no, anon, its not "smart and cool" to say shit like this

>>280226421
>Any person with normal morality and empathy would think like this
no they don't. murder has a longer prison sentence than rape
please don't discount torture victims experiences by equating it with rape

Most of the time during "rape" the rape victim also has an orgasm. How the fuck is it rape if you're feeling pleasure from the act?

>>280226472
But the man also had an orgasm and as women we must sacrifice our lives to prevent male orgasms as this is the most noble goal imaginable

>>280226421
>Any person with normal morality and empathy would think like this
Vast majority of the world in both history and modern times doesn't think like that. Did you even consider the meaning of the words you used or are you more like a LLM?

>>280226472
Time for you to get strapped to the tickle machine

>>280226421
This, punching someone is worse than euthanizing them because they can feel the pain.

>>280219584 (OP)
Two reasons I think, rape is often depicted in ways that are voyeuristic and don't do justice to the victim's suffering and second is that rape is way more omnipresent in everyday life and way more often downplayed than killing, it's easy to make an action flick where dozens of people get killed and still consider it light-hearted and funny but rape evocates a more down-to-earth reality.

>>280219584 (OP)
it didn't used to be this way
even the bible has passages regulating rape while considering killing in general an evil thing to do
rape used to be a thing people expected in certain conditions and also a reward well into enlightenment times

>>280226472
I read a paper that theorized that women are biologically programmed to get aroused and have orgasms during rape even without any interest as an evolutionary protective measure to take less damage from rape
It would have been selected for since not getting aroused would mean more chances for internal bleeding from taking it dry or the like

>>280226898
getting wet makes sense. orgasm is a bit unnecessary desu. simpler explanation is that sex feels good. you can force a male to orgasm as well after all

>>280226898
Nah, erection and orgasm alike are often the result of fear and increased bloodflow

Murder can be righteous (for example, doing what has to be done and killing a bad guy) while rape usually can't be. Rape is violence for the sake of personal pleasure.

>>280226898
>>280226976
My theory is back when men used to slaughter each other and take the women of the enemy as their property or would kill them, having a orgasm would make the woman bond to the man more, and make the man more likely to not kill her, thus she gets to live on and spread her genes.
It's why men are tribalistic while women aren't.

>>280227107
that isn't murder then. killing is murder that sex is to rape

>>280227136
Stop with the semantics. My point is that killing can be (argued to be) just and rape can't.

>>280227127
>It's why men are tribalistic while women aren't.
What makes you think women aren't tribalistic?

>>280227196
>Stop with the semantics
that's what you are doing. everyone knows what is meant by killing from the context. they're not talking about euthanasia, or a terrorist, or george floyd. rape isn't magically worse just because some types of killing can be justified

>>280227212
Look at the state of the western world and how women overwhelmingly support it.

>>280226472
Kek

>>280226472
why is it bad to inject you with heroin against your will? after all, you'll feel pleasure if I do.

>>280227372
heroin is an extremely dangerous narcotic that is also highly addictive, and not a normal function of the human body

>>280227388
it's almost as if there are secondary consequences other than pleasure involved in using heroin, then.

>>280227412
yeah, exactly

>>280227431
I'm glad you agree that it's still rape even if the woman has an orgasm, then.

>>280227317
What the fuck kind of argument is that? So you are saying women cannot be tribalistic because they ralley behind a common idea? That's what tribalism is.

>>280226976
I remember aroused and getting wet at least, don't remember if orgasm was discussed in the paper, I think it was this one where they tested on vanillafags
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21189352/

>>280227465
sure, you can call it what you like. i'm just glad we agree it's not a bad thing

>>280227495
ah ok you're retarded or a troll, I see

>>280227484
Tribalism is about supporting/collaborating with someone on the basis of shared identity in opposition to excluded identities, not ideas.

>>280219584 (OP)
Of all rape scenes you chose the most violent, fucked up and close to murder (he had her beaten within an inch of death) to illustrate your point that rape isn't as bad as murder?

>>280227877
Popularity is more important. Opening with a sound argument is actually really counterintuitive to dialectic.

>>280227484
>>280227619
Hilarious how women view tribalism completely different than men.

>>280219782
SPBP, there is a reason why the most gynocentric societies complain about le rape in media while allowing stuff with violence. over 60% of women have rape fantasies btw

>>280222333
This is actually a braindead take. No one is talking about dying to protect someone or killing to either protect yourself or someone/something else, we talking about outright murder, someone killing someone with evil/malicious intent. While I agree there is no upside to rape, the same can be said for murder and even I would say it's even worst because there's no recourse to murder, you can resurrect someone, there no respawn, If someone kills my loved one I have to live with the fact that they will NEVER come back.

>>280222500
sounds like you're an advocate for euthanizing her then.

>>280219584 (OP)
Why doesn't Batman rape the Joker?

>>280219822
...so you're saying it's better to kill the rape victim after raping her?

>>280228625
Yea. It’s not as bad if you murder them after raping them.

>>280219822
>If you murder a person then the loved ones still have their memories of the person they loved intact.
Hate to break it to you, but murder can be as traumatizing as rape. It depends on just how brutal and violent the murder is and how far the murderer can go.
Those memories? They won't be intact if said murderer will go so far as to gouge eyes, break limbs and finally rip your loved one's innards in front of you while you are forced to watch. Then proceeding to strangle said loved one with his/her own innards.

That's just one of many examples that can happen. This kind of desecration will override any nice memory.

>>280228947
Bro, I don’t care how gentle the murder is. I rather you rape my loved ones than kill them.

>>280219822
>Because you traumatize the human as a result.
I have those gore spam videos burned into my mind and I want them gone but they come back now and again. I can't imagine what it's like for people that actually witness murder and aren't psychopathic subhumans.

>>280222976
Isn't it wild how much of our reactions to acts like this stem from arbitrary social and cultural standards? Like obviously it's a horrible crime, but it's made so much worse because we have created abstract concepts like 'purity' that make the insult so much worse when something like this happens.

That's why I will never see something like rape being as bad as murder. The psychic portion of the harm inflicted by the former is completely arbitrary, and can in theory be erased instantly with a shift in mindset. I'm not saying it would be easy to do, but it's the principle of the matter.

>>280219584 (OP)
Well picrel also corrupts her unborn child, and I'm sure she feels it.

>>280229179
What makes it worse is that he actually knew she was pregnant

>>280229281
>he actually knew she was pregnant
He did? How?

>>280229324
Godhand shenanigans

>>280229410
I think that panel will be the end of Berserk but with Guts in the chair instead of Griffith, and Griffith's "spirit/soul" will be in the depths of the child, happy that he can be around the 2 people he loves most.

>>280220477
>You know what happens when you die? You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>280229037
>I rather you rape my loved ones than kill them.

>>280229461
Hardcore, anon. You rather your brother and sister get erased from existence than raped which is akin to a physical assault/beating.

>>280223058
>virgin
crucial part, raping roasties is ok according to bible

>>280228479
She died, im saying that I think it would be worse if she lived

>>280229807
that's what i meant too. So if she had lived, you would've been okay with euthanasia going by that logic.

I thought you fuckheads were just going to post Berserk stuff in here

>>280219584 (OP)
TL;DR: wokism
The idiotic logic that to portray means to approve.

In b4, or more likely after considering all the replies:
>But there is other ways to be evil.
We all know that originality is not the issue. This is just rethoric. And nobody with an IQ superior to 75 is gonna fall for it.

>>280219778
It's non consensual sex. Yes it's sex, and so it's sensual. This reasoning is like saying:
>Cannibalism is portrayed in a way that make human meat look like is edible.

>>280219584 (OP)
you can more easily justify murder as "righteous". i can't really imagine a scenario where you would rape for a moral reason. some say "if they force you" but then you are also technically being raped

>>280219584 (OP)
why did you use casca for the rape thread? we all know she enjoyed it.

>>280230277
>this guy again
Didn't you have enough in the 500+ post thread the other night?

>>280220114
'fraid so.

>>280229443
>I think that panel will be the end of Berserk but with Guts in the chair instead of Griffith

I always thought it would be fitting, the irony being that this was a hell scenario for Griffith, but for Guts it would be contentment at last. But I don't think Griffith will be a part of it, his arc will conclude with him acknowledging Guts was always his friend according to his own insane definition, just as he dies and is dragged into the vortex to suffer and lose his identity for all eternity.

There is theories that Caska's rape is what popularized the NTR fetish. Making Kentaro Miura the father of NTR.

>>280222500
That girl died. I don't get what's your point?

>>280219584 (OP)
Its a form of moralism op

And it's not true in any way, since people think and talk about rape all the time and it's quite exciting to see in fictional works

>>280230249
an unused womb is a sin

>>280231066
>the point
That it’s better that she was tortured and murdered. Because otherwise she would have had to live with having been shagged for 5 minutes by some guy she didn’t particularly like or know.

>>280221074
>It can be. Why do you think people kill themselves?
weakness. fragile mind, fragile body, fragile spirit.

youre ngmi

>>280219946
Female on male is not the same thing and these two aren't comparable. A more appropriate analogy would be getting shot dead or raped by another man.
And btw you never really know if you'll survive or if you'll get killed anyway after you're done getting raped. So it's not like you can relax knowing you'll live.

>>280220477
You've got a south park gif in a reactions folder. Who's the real retard?

>>280232249
Raping a man is worse than raping a woman because it's stigmatized.

>>280219584 (OP)
Because dead people can't go on social media and guilt trip you into feeling sorry for them, but raped people can.

>>280220477
Nah, fuck all of this. If I ended up like, say, the woman who got her face eaten by a chimp and survived I would have chosen death.

>>280227877
>he had her beaten within an inch of death
I don't remember that part. Thought she just passed out and was gently raped after waking up.

>>280221258
You can more easily unrape someone than you can unkill them.
>memory wipe spell
>possible heal spell if needed

>>280221680
>but you can't rape in self defense.
Seeing as we're talking about fiction, you can in fact do so. A prophecy was foretold that a child needed to be born to a certain mother or whatever the situation is where she's not cooperative. It's for the sake of the world.

>>280222861
There's "no fornication", which is unmarried sex i.e. what rape would be.
>marriage is tacit consent ergo no marital rape

>>280219584 (OP)
I think where I live, killing is more controversial than rape. Because people here are actually logical enough that the rape could just be a fluke, or the girl liking it at first then regretting it later. People here understand that seducing a man is the responsibility of the girl and so she should take responsibility. Murder and killing on the other hand leaves people becoming alert and worrisome, sometimes traumatizes people from going outside.

>>280219822
What an unhinged post. Killing someone's family is obviously more traumatizing than raping them.

>>280233747
Have you experienced both?
Family dies naturally sooner or later. Rape doesn't.

>>280219822
If it's just about traumatizing someone, then why rape in particular and not just any form of violence or torture that can traumatize any person as well?

>>280219584 (OP)
I think because people with rape tendencies are way more common and people realize that, and unlike murder, you can't verify whether a woman got raped or simply lying and trying to ruin a man life.
People realize that, so they feel the urge to actively condemn it lest it actually happen to them

an indian made this thread

>>280232431
It’s worse because a man usually gets butt fucked. An unnatural thing (unless that’s how you swing, which isn’t the case for most and like their poop hole reserved for pooping). You can rape a woman with normal sex (dick in vagina). Which is why the reverse analogy is the truest comparison, unlike what the anon you’re replying to said.

It’s equivalent to some random woman, possibly ugly, pinning you and milking your johnson with her serpents throat. Maybe she punches you and chokes you a little, who cares. Get over yourself.

>>280221832
I AM raping in self-defense when the psychic entity connected to my mind WITHOUT my consent threatens to inflict EGO ANNIHILATION on me and strip me of my bodily and psychological autonomy every time I engage with my sexuality or fap by guilt tripping me with the implication that that makes me a PSYCHIC RAPIST

>>280219584 (OP)
a character can come back from the dead, but you are raped forever. whore.

>>280221567
That's what rape does too you vile fucking retard.

>>280230358
I think Just like the Zodd fight, Griffith can't help himself to help Guts if his life is in danger, he just does it as a Moon Light boy now.
I think Void might try to kill Guts and Griffith would turn against Void,because he can't help it, and Guts would have to help Griffith since Griffith also shares a body with his son.

>>280240620
Griffith and Moonlight boy aren't the same person, he just used his body as a vessel to reincarnate. Griffith has not been "helping" Guts "as" Moonlight boy, Griffith has been taking turns sharing a physical form with the different soul that is Moonlight boy.

>>280241284
>Griffith has not been "helping" Guts "as" Moonlight boy
Wrong
Miura even spells it out for you in his last page.

>>280234837
Normal people have sex naturally sooner or later as well. What makes sex being unnatural a greater offense than death being unnatural?

>>280241662
That does not prove what you said at all retard. What it does prove is that when he shifts he has lingering remaining positive emotions towards Guts and Casca which then immediately disappear

>>280230303
NTA but why didn't she bite her tongue, make an angry or shocked face ect? You know, things that show she was suffering and not enjoying herself.

>>280242039
*bite his tongue

>>280219584 (OP)
>Killing
Generally bad, but there are circumstances where it's possible to be good, or even heroic. Killing monsters, deposing despots, vigilante justice, death in war, etc. Someone killing for their beliefs is easy to understand, because people can justify it in so many other circumstances.
>Rape
There is literally no such thing as a heroic rape. There is no possible circumstance where it is positive or necessary. Even though it's not necessarily as destructive as killing a person, it's still vastly more immoral by default.
I can tell you're an atheist because you're applying a materialist mindset to human behavior like it's a spreadsheet to be balanced. Morality does not hinge purely on quantifiable damage like it's a fucking economic transaction. Having darker, less justifiable motives even in the hypothetical makes it worse.
The fact that this confuses you is an indicator that you're subhuman.

>>280242208
Gay-ass LARP

>>280242039
>>280242068
>why didn't she bite Griffith's tongue if she didn't want it
Griffith gave her almost no time to react after shoving his talon in her mouth. She was also crying profusely during the rape and screaming no. Stop fapping to the movie and start reading.

>>280219782
Only correct answer.

>>280242425
>The levels of cope
She didn't bite down on his tongue because she was enjoying herself. Griffith just beat the fucking shit of a small army of betas and is forcing Guts to watch as his woman is taken from him. Women are attracted to domination, it's a primal instinct.

>>280242644
Obviously some jealousy-inducing things about Casca's rape like her having an orgasm are there to fuel the NTR fetish, but at the end of the day it's just NTR teasing. Casca wouldn't have cried, vocally protested and then been mindbroken and mute for years if she wasn't traumatized about the rape. Casca was not ashamed about her love for Griffith, she was honest with Guts about that. She told him not to look because she knew Griffith wanted Guts to be jealous. And once she awoke from her catatonic state the only person she wanted to see was Guts, while Griffith was reduced to a mental black demon cloud.

>>280242039
Yeah antagonize the literal god in control of the hell realm and turn rape into torture + rape, great idea
You should have asked why they didn't put up a fight against yujiro during his scene

>>280242771
The God she just watched will all her friends to murder. Before being beaten unconscious Casca contemplated if she was worthy of hell according to Griffith. Well when she awoke she got her answer.

>>280242425
Picrel is from an edge-fest manga that barely takes itself seriously and yet the victim looks 100 times more affected than Caska. I could literally jerk off to the 107th chapter of Berserk, but I wouldn't do it to this.

>>280243270
Practically all the rape from Berserk looks like the girls are enjoying it. Miura might just not know what rape looks like.

>>280243270
That shit is rape for normalfags and moralfags tho, who gives a fuck about that

The real question is how come Guts getting raped as a kid by a BBC didn’t result in him turning into a potato?

>>280243270
I think the guy is a part of it. He looks ridiculous, creepy, pathetic and desperate, I think that makes it easier for the reader to not see the scene as arousing or appealing in any sense. Femto in the Berserk scene looks like a rapechad by comparison.

>>280243699
Men are mentally stronger than women by a lot.

>>280243578
post your rape album so we can know too

>>280241968
>he has lingering remaining positive emotions towards Guts and Casca which then immediately disappear
You clearly don't understand Berserk.

Griffith, even during his most evil moment, couldn't kill Guts or Casca.

The entire reason why he goes to the Hill of Swords is to talk to him
>He went there to confirm Guts means nothing to him
If your ex girlfriend showed up your house and said
>I'm just here to confirm I have no feelings for you
You would know that's bullshit since she bothered to come over in the first place.

>>280243659
I mean yes, if I'm going to have rape in a manga I'm reading I'd rather it be like Caska's rape so I can jerk off, but as an author I don't think that's the best choice if you want to make a devastating or life-changing moment for your character.
>>280243785
I wouldn't have minded the guy if the girl had shown a minimum of arousal, but instead she looked like she was literally dying the whole time.

>>280243270
Femto isn't a pathetic literally who, he's a God and he's also Griffith who readers knew and loved. There was already a scene where Griffith was actually depicted as pathetic for trying to rape Casca and yet retards still don't understand why the Eclipse is similar

>>280219782
>This
Murder is objectively worse than rape. The only reason is isn't properly portrayed as such is because men are more likely to be murdered and less likely to be raped, so women play up how awful rape is even though it's the #1 fantasy among women.

>>280244109
You are saying two different things. Griffith not wanting to kill Guts and Casca =/= being the same entity as Moonlight boy. The fact that you thought this >>280241662 was "proof" Griffith literally controlled Moonlight boy's actions proves that you are a retard. The Moonlight boy was nothing but a helpful and curious soul, Griffith had no qualms about hurting Guts or Casca lmao

>>280244109
It’s true. Miura has a tell also. The count for instance activated the behelit and despite being an apostle couldn’t sacrifice his daughter and opted to be sucked into the abyss. The moth girl likewise died protecting her bff, Jill, despite being an apostle.

>>280219584 (OP)
death in fiction is usually very sanitized and quick, rape in fiction is usually drawn out and sensualized

>>280219584 (OP)
>Why is rape more controversial than killing?
you can't rape in self defens.

>>280244345
This is a pretty noteworthy comparison. Every once in a while movies will have a scene where a knife is slowly pushed into someone and it's always more painful to watch than faster stabbings. Saving Private Ryan probably has the most well-known.

>>280219584 (OP)
I can list a bunch of at least understandable reasons for murder: I was scared, I was starving, he was going to take my stuff, they were savages and I'm better than them...
There is no similar way to justify or rationalize rape, the only reason for that would be "I wanted to".

Killing is actually worse, I'd say.

But the reason you'll get so much pushback for saying so is because of this -- and this is the real ass answer:

When you kill somebody, that's it. They're gone. The last thing they did before killed them, is the last thing they did.
But the sheer ongoingness of what a rape does, to a person is completely incalculable. It cuts through everything they do from then on. And the reason the rapist did the rape, was for selfish lusty reason AT BEST. The other reasons, are sinister as shit. There is not a noble reason.
You could kill someone for a noble reason however.

Killing is actually worse, I'd say.

But the reason you'll get so much pushback for saying so is because of this -- and this is the real ass answer:

When you kill somebody, that's it. They're gone. The last thing they did before you killed them, is the last thing they did.
But the sheer ongoingness of what a rape does to a person, is completely incalculable. It cuts through everything they do from then on. And the reason the rapist did the rape, was selfish and lust-driven AT BEST. The other reasons, are just varying degrees of sinister. There is not a noble reason.
You could kill someone for a noble reason, however.

>>280244699
You didn't really need to make that tiny correction.

>>280219822
It's because somebody can die and still have their honour intact.
Once somebody is raped, they're defiled. There's no honour in being raped.

>>280244699
This talk of trauma brings me a thought experiment.

Let’s say you asked out that one girl out she said “eww!” and everyone pointed and laughed at you, you stayed out of school, fell behind, stagnated as others grew and drove yourself into the hermit’s life of neetdom because of the humiliation once experienced.

How do such situations of social demolition compare to the trauma of rape, is it as bad, is it worse? Speaking purely of the trauma and not the potential physical damage which rape can bring with it, but doesn’t always or simply heals quick enough.

>>280229081
>I'm not saying it would be easy to do, but it's the principle of the matter.
That's a really good point considering most "rapes" are just drunken sex where the woman does nothing. If she really hated it, she'd do everything she could to fight back even if she aggravated him.

>>280226472
The same way you get random unwanted boners during presentations or in public.

>>280226898
As fucked up as the theory that most people have at least one ancestor resulting from rape, it's interesting how epigenetic markers work.

>>280227317
>>280227484
They are told what and how to think. They're just being told to act like sluts, so they do. The rare, higher value women aren't into it because their own men are strong and desirable enough that the women flock /to/ them.

>>280219822
Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps bro, it's just rape.

>>280244113
This would still be something I'd like if the guy wasn't a desperate looking turbofag
IMO there's no reason as an author to put rape into your thing if it isn't your fetish and make scenes like this that work purely on shock value, it appeals to no one but utter brainlets who need keys jangled in front of their face to figure out rape is bad, especially if the rest of your writing isn't up to par and cant make a boring shock value scene compelling

>>280220477
>to live in suffering is better than not living at all.
That's not true

>>280244778
I made multiple.

>>280219584 (OP)
>>280219782
I thought rape was based for showing a stubborn woman who's in charge if its just the two of them

>>280219782
This.
Nobody cares about male rape victims. They are joked about.

>>280219782
This.
Nobody cares about male rape victims. They are joked about.

>>280231854
>

>>280234837
If you offered to resurrect the murdered loved ones of someone in exchange for being able to rape them once, 99.99% of people would take that offer.

>>280245550
Berserk was definitely inspired

>>280246998
>>280246943
>>280219782
The people who shame men for complaining about rape are mostly men, though?

>>280230101
>Yes it's sex, and so it's sensual.
Rape is shocking, not sensual. You're dumb af.

>>280247183
Men are drones and I hate them too.

>>280221832
>kills in self defense, or in a war, or by accident (unless gross negligence).
None of this is murder. It's disingenuous to invoke self-defense or accidents in conversations about rape vs. murder. We're comparing two examples of people doing horrible things to each other, obviously its easy to say "raping is worse than killing in self-defense" like come on dude

>>280219584 (OP)
rape is to sex as murder is to killing

Being defiled is like living death. Death itself is only a temporary suffering. To be defiled for the rest of your life is a lifelong suffering.

>>280244300
>Griffith had no qualms about hurting Guts or Casca lmao
Correct, but he can't kill them.
He's supposed to be a God hand, the purest form of evil, and he can't kill them because no matter how low he sinks into the abyss of darkness, Guts will always be his light.

>>280251507
Then what is passionate love making in this analogy?

>>280220477
>Death is the penultimate deprivation of freedom
What's the last?

>>280251507
Murder and killing have the same result. It's only a legal distinction

>>280252815
Timespace erasure

>>280252453
I didn't say anything about Griffith not being able to kill Guts or Casca. I said Griffith not being able to kill them doesn't mean he's the Moonlight boy or controls the child's actions. They're separate entities. The Moonlight boy has no maliciousness towards his parents (and no reason to), while Griffith has mixed feelings. The Moonlight boy existed before Griffith's demon sperm hacked his physical fetus form. An apt analogy would be Griffith as a parasite feeding off of the Moonlight boy's pure, innocent human essence to manifest himself in the real world.

>>280219584 (OP)
Pic unrelated. You can clearly see Casca enjoying it.

>>280252453
Also, while Griffith may not be able to kill Guts or Casca (for whatever reason), he's still happy to psychologically torture them long after the Eclipse, so his "love" doesn't really amount to anything at all.

>>280245346
>Fighting back
You do know the fear response are fight, flight, or freeze, right?

>>280253080
>I said Griffith not being able to kill them doesn't mean he's the Moonlight boy or controls the child's actions.
I never said Griffith was the Moonlight Boy or controlled him.
All I said was that Griffith was aware of what was going on, since he clearly states what he feels as the Moonlight Boy during the page I linked before.
He has feelings inside the Moonlight Boy, even though he isn't the Moonlight Boy.
>>280253128
>he's still happy to psychologically torture them long after the Eclipse, so his "love" doesn't really amount to anything at all.
desu he did that even when he was a human.
He was never a good person, but he still has feelings for them.
And it does amount to something because he could just kill them both in a second and send them to hell. He's giving them a chance every second he lets them live, which for a Godhand is mercy.

>>280253318
>All I said was that Griffith was aware of what was going on, since he clearly states what he feels as the Moonlight Boy during the page I linked before.
>He has feelings inside the Moonlight Boy, even though he isn't the Moonlight Boy.
Did you read your own screenshot? It says the feelings instantly disappear like morning dew. Meaning, the feelings of Moonlight boy's don't linger for but a moment in Griffith's mind during the transition. Any mixed feelings Griffith has towards Guts and Casca are his own, not residue from the child.
>he did that even when he was a human.
You're starting to get it. He did contemplate killing them, and almost did. That was way before he reincarnated. Griffith's ambivalent feelings aren't due to the Moonlight Boy.

>>280219584 (OP)
Motherfuckers it isn't about morality. As far as societal systems go, murder is almost always treated as a more severe crime than rape and punished harder, the idea that there's some wide spread societal belief that murder is fine but rape is evil because of a feminist agenda is fucking insane because a cursory look up of the law in most places would tell you that murder is the absolute bottom of the barrel for the vast majority of the world. We only make exceptions when we can find a way to justify it, and more often than people getting away with literal murder they deserve to be punished for, is people getting harsh sentences for murders that most of society would agree with.

The reason rape is controversial in media is the understanding that a fictional narrative often requires murder as a device, and that justifies the use of it in the media. Rape is almost never a useful narrative tool, so its depiction is maligned because it's typically gratuitous the same way that old school shooter games that didn't depict any sex crimes were maligned for being gratuitous.

When it comes down to it the truest explanation is just the simplest. People bitch about rape because it's usually schlock. Fucking Berserk is the answer in the OP and it overwhelmingly gets a pass for the rape to begin with so it's clear that most people will let it slide if you use it half decently, but most rape is fucking Redo of the Healer.

>>280253452
>It says the feelings instantly disappear like morning dew. Meaning, the feelings of Moonlight boy's don't linger for but a moment in Griffith's mind during the transition
Did you not read the page before it?
He feels the "Warmth of Nostalgia" because he is around Guts and Casca in a loving way, the way it used to be.
The moment he turns back to Griffith that nostalgia is gone because all 3 of them know it can never be as it once was, thus it disappears "like morning dew".
Also, the Moonlight Boy's feelings don't influence Griffith.
He my claim it does, but Griffith is a notorious liar, and even lies to himself
>picrel is the obvious example of this

>>280253533
>Rape is almost never a useful narrative tool
Incorrect opinion caused by reading only bad manga.

>>280219584 (OP)
A lot a women (not most, just saying a lot) have been raped, and they consume media afterwards and they will see something horrific they personally went through.
Not a lot of people have been killed and consumed media with people being killed afterwards.

>>280253849
>Griffith was aware of what was going on, since he clearly states what he feels as the Moonlight Boy during the page I linked before.
>He has feelings inside the Moonlight Boy, even though he isn't the Moonlight Boy.
>the Moonlight Boy's feelings don't influence Griffith.
You're contradicting yourself. I'm the one who claimed Griffith's feelings for Guts and Casca have nothing to do with the Moonlight boy.

>>280252825
Same with sex

>>280244699
Plenty of people do just fine post rape

>>280219584 (OP)
You can justify killing people, you can never justify rape.

>>280255914
Actually, you can.
She was showing herself off and he was horny

:)

>>280255914
If you think you can justify torture, you can justify rape.

>>280255967
>>280256034
You have both lost your penis privileges.
>I'm a femano-
BRB catgut.

>>280256053
Your shitty shears can't stop my invincible erection, apparently my dick is the single most powerful object known to mankind, the nexus of ultimate darkness.

>>280219584 (OP)
it's a combination of the remnants Christian purity culture being combined with feminist ideology, sexuality in media is getting shunned hardcore right now, look how many people get mad over sex scenes in movies and fanservice in anime/games
also look how many likes picrel has, it's absolutely insane to think that this many people think that forcing yourself sexually onto someone is WORSE than TAKING THEIR FUCKING LIFE

>>280220209
back to your containment board little incel >>>/r9k/

>>280225438
>>280219822
>>280219584 (OP)
bait aside...
do these people think that rape victims should be killed? If a serial killer who targeted rape victims exclusively existed would they support them? At what level does a person need to be "suffering traumatically" to deserve death? If I stub my toe really badly would they think it'd be merciful to kill me? I feel like these "people" are legit murder apologists. You're not ONLY taking away a person's ability to be anything or experience anything EVER again, but you're also traumatizing every single person close to that person perhaps for the rest of their lives. Not to mention the fact that... being murdered is usually VERY painful, and attempting it alone can be far more traumatic than getting forced sex from your SO when you're not feeling it that night, which is the majority of rape cases btw getting butt fucked at gun point in a grimy back alley is an almost nonexistent scenario and you're only gonna be raped by someone you don't already associate with like 7% of the time.

Allow me if you will to posit a scenario. I'm seeing a lot that the reason rape tends to be looked upon less favorably than murder is because it's often depicted as more drawn out and gratuitous, and that there's no version of rape that could ever be concieved as 'good' or 'noble'

What if the rape is merely mentioned or even alluded to, but not explicitly shown? Do you think that would change how people view it and what merit it brings to a narrative? A sort of dulling of the proverbial blade, if you will, so it doesn't cut as deep.

>>280256261
The reason rape is so incredibly disfavored is because it is such a petty and pointless thing. No media depicts rape as towards a goal, few characters are raped to get information from them or raped in revenge or some shit like that, so it inevitably makes people see it as evil for the sake of evil. Meanwhile every bit of media has slews of righteous murders and the number of horrifying torturous violent deaths for no reason are basically just the purview of horror films.

>>280256365
lol no

>>280256385
Lol yes, "Rape" is never "Justified rape" but murder is frequently "Justified murder" torture is frequently "Justified torture". It's all a media thing, rape was not always seen as the pinnacle of cruelty.

>>280256365
no it's because our culture doesn't shun violence it's as simple as that. imagine if depicting murder in fictional was heavily taboo and depicting rape wasn't

>>280256425
Rape is violence, just because western culture is infinitely more uncomfortable with their own sexuality doesn't mean that rape's status as a petty torture isn't true.

>>280245550
Well, I think an ugly guy is better for a rape scene because it makes it more humiliating for the girl, especially if she ends up enjoying it. When the guy is too good looking the thing just feels like a female fantasy.

the answer is simple
>force anyone who thinks rape is worse than murder to pick between being raped or being murdered
bam the whole retarded lot of ya are either dead or sufficiently corrected

>>280255914
plenty of media out there where completely unjustified and explicit killing happens.

>>280219584 (OP)
Because a vagoo is the only thing foids have as leverage in this world and they don’t like giving it up by force

>>280256775
I don't want to see you complain if a man rapes you

>>280256639
Confidence is all you need for a decent rape scene
Nobody wants to see a rape from some tweaker or spaz who looks and sounds like he's trying to convince himself he's not a pussy fag

>>280247401
There is an entire rape subgenre that can even involve guro.

>>280256863
why is it always "well enjoy being raped by a man" like no that is not an equivalent thing. Women are expected to be attracted to a man and have the necessary parts to take one on. A woman raping a man is an accurate analog to a man raping a woman. I'd still take either over fucking being murdered tho.

>>280219584 (OP)
Not really. Getting rejected by a girl is far more controversial than rape among the incels on this board (just notice the seethe over the rent a girlfriend manga or whatever its name is).

>>280256940
>no that is not an equivalent thing
you are being overpowered and forfecully penetrated by someone with a penis how is that not equivalent?

>>280256926
Also you wouldn't believe how much is used in shojo/josei manga.

>>280256984
because a woman is literally biologically made for that exact purpose. You're basically saying all women should be conscripted. It's not the same for both genders.

>>280256257
>do these people think that rape victims should be killed?
a lot of rape victims are very suicidal and think that they should have been killed so they didn't have to live with trauma, and their nihilism extends to viewing rape as worse than murder, and rape as a crime being worthy of the death penalty

>>280257029
I feel like the irony of crying about how much you wish you were dead WHILE engaging in things you could obviously only do while alive like scrolling on 4chan is so palpable you literally physiologically couldn't do it, but maybe that's just me.

>>280257075
>crying about how much you wish you were dead
I wasn't the one doing this I was just describing how there's tons of women online who say that they would be better off dead than be alive with rape trauma, even if I heavily disagree with their view (nothing is stopping them from killing themselves if life sucks so bad after all?)

How is it the bait rape thread attracts people with triple the autism than the bait slavery thread

>>280257123
there's a lot of incels desperate to defend their rapeslop here

>>280257017
You are mistaking your incel beliefs for purpose. There is no purpose in nature.

>>280257212
evolution drives changes to maximize fitness. It just so happens that women who are able to most comfortably and safely have sex with men are fitter and so become the norm through evolution... men however have no such selective drive.

>>280257017
a lot of women literally die from being raped from things like vaginal bleeding

>>280257281
literally ANY source on that or just your hentai manga with the belly buldge?

>>280257253
>evolution drives changes to maximize fitness
You misunderstand evolution. Evolution doesn't "drive" anything nor does it "try" to "maximize" anything. It's a filtration processes. Anything which passes through the environmental filter, manages to reproduce.

>>280257017
>>280257253
just because an anus isn't MEANT to have things go up it doesn't mean that anal rape isn't equivalent to vaginal rape, both organs can prolapse and tear and bleed

>>280256261
People would still view the rapist as crossing a line and lose sympathy for the character if they understood what happened. Pretty sure Highlander bears that out, though it helps this case that the Kurgan was unrepentant about it while gloating in a church.

>>280257281
So you are saying that that form of rape is better than the other kinds?

>>280257324
just managing to reproduce is only a small factor in determining fitness. How much off speing you have, how well they develop, how well those offspring will be able to reproduce are all also aspects of fitness. You have a very poor understanding of it and fucking obviously women have bodies better suited for getting fucked than men. Any simple common sense would tell you that.

>>280257017
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6838733/
>just go get vaginal injuries and STDs foid! you were biologically made for it after all!

>>280257335
I seriously fail to see how sticking a dick up your anus is in anyway comparable to sticking a dick in a vagina, but I'm not a faggot so I guess you'd know more about that.

>>280257393
No, it's you who has a poor understanding, as evidenced by your retarded claim that biology has a purpose. The entire point of natural selection is that there is no purpose to it, so your incel beliefs are invalid.

>>280219584 (OP)
If you want a serious answer: Because rape is almost always voyeristic in nature, and is by its very nature a sexualized depiction of violence, in a society where many men still don't see it as the horrific act it is. Killing is widely considered a taboo and can be depicted as non-sexual or non-glorifying. Rape is very hard to depict in a way that is universally seen as being just negative, since people universally don't see it as such.
If you want a retarded answer then something about jews and feminists

>>280257142
No fucking way was the twitter whale baiting in both threads

>>280257436
I'm fucking tired of your midwit takes about biology. No there's not a sentient "intention" behind evolution, fucking obviously. That doesn't mean that evolution doesn't trend towards improving fitness in a mostly consistent and straight forward manner.

>>280257510
>I'm fucking tired of your midwit takes about biology.
And I'm tired of your retarded incel pseudoscience.

>>280257548
not even enough energy to form a proper bait response anymore? How shameful.

>>280257569
Educating you on the basics of evolution is bait now?

>>280257594
you wouldn't know shit obviously and intentionally saying things that are wrong as if they're right it like the very definition of bait.

>>280257433
It's pretty similar on both ends

>>280257648
Incoherent incel babble. Anyway, your pseudoscience has been debunked, so be less retarded next time.

>>280257433
because both of them involve a person getting forfecully penetrated with a high risk of bodily injury for the victim?

Why can't I enjoy my fetish threads in peace and not have turbo vanillafag spergs and baiting tards shitting it up

>>280219584 (OP)
Rape is an evil, materially born corruption of union and oneness, the act that creates life. The act that is supposed to be the material manifestation of the universe's unconditional love, and the pursuit of spiritual wholeness that leads to creation.
Instead it brings into the act the destruction of souls. It essentially brings killing into a place it doesn't belong.
Killing is killing. Evil is as evil does, and killing is doing what it's supposed to be doing. There's no controversy to be had. The act of killing isn't being spoiled by the act of killing.

Frankly it's a dumb question. Why is it controversial? Is the concept of mixing the desirable feelings of sex with harming others, or being harmed, not something you think should be exposed to the impressionable carefully?
Love and lust are literally the things most people love most in this life. Rape and depictions of rape injects that deep, tender, private part of their soul with thoughts of fear, hate, greed, disgust.

It forms cracks in the senses of selves of those who are enticed by it. The goodness of their soul is repelled by the shallow stimuli of the body that has been drawn to the breaking of souls. But that shallow stimuli is so easy to manipulate, because the material world works with material rules. Boobs, boner.
The gift of creation was given to the material by the ethereal, and the material, as it does, took advantage like a thief in the night. It read the contracts of science and reality and gamed every opportunity to stick as much of it's beloved destruction as possible. Rape developing as an evil behavioural by-product of our evolutionary upbringing in the laws of nature that were set by the material.

Killing can be a noncontroversial evil, and it and dying in general can be the evil you need. The gift of creation needs that maintenance. There is nothing anybody needs from rape. It nothing but a poison that violates the place where heaven is supposed to be revisited on earth.

>>280258581
Rape isn't a byproduct of "nature." There have been societies in history with no rape and ones where women walk around nude with babies on their bare boobs 24/7 and no men pop a boner when they walk by because that would be sexualizing a child eating food. There are societies where women and men take turns comfort nursing babies at their nipples. Rape is a byproduct of capitalist patriarchies where women have to sell their bodies to get money unless they're already hitched to a dude with money. It's basically theft of someone's labor, if "women's work" is primarily prostitution.

>>280219822
I don't think it's worse than murder, but it does kill a part of the person's soul.

>>280236041
Wtf I like Indians now?! I thought only the Arabs were based.

>>280256984
No you sexist fuck. We don’t discriminate based on sex in this day and age. The flip of a woman being raped by a man is a man being raped by a woman. Not a man being raped by a man, that’s a completely new scenario.

And Men and women come in all sizes. Some women are bigger and stronger than some twinks.

>>280255544
Oh. Well okay then.

>>280221528
Correct, but those weren't out of mercy.

>>280223021
The way it's worded, that man is being punished with mandatory marriage for raping that girl.

Rape is the most serious crime of all, since the victim can deal with it for the rest of her life, even if the rapist is murdered. And also, it's simple, deaths in anime are standardized, it's normal to have them for the drama of the work. **Dragon Ball is full of deaths, but if there was at least ONE rape, that would be remembered more than other things.**

>>280219584 (OP)
The people on this thread saying killing is worse are missing the point. The question is "why it's more controversial" the answer because rape is an act of pure evil over other person every time, while killing can be condene in the correct circumstances. Most people will react to a serial killer the same way they react to a serial rapist, if not worse (rape gets far more lenient time than murder) but also they will understand if the murder was in self defense or by accident, hell they even understand if it was a crime of passion, something rape really doesn't have (rape takes too long to be a crime a passion btw)

>>280220477
>>280229449
>and I'm going to kill you
>...
>until you are dead

Griffith is a pathetic little faggot that couldn't handle the results of his own mistakes

>>280219584 (OP)
To quote from John Grisham's stories:

“With murder, the victim is gone, and not forced to deal with what happened to her. The family must deal with it, but not the victim. But rape is much worse. The victim has a lifetime of coping, trying to understand, of asking questions, and the worst part, of knowing the rapist is still alive and may someday escape or be released. Every hour of every day, the victim thinks of the rape and asks herself a thousand questions. She relives it, step by step, minute by minute, and it hurts just as bad."

>>280243699
Miura didn't randomly decide he was done with the character like he did with Casca

The tacit assumption is that if an author depicts murder, it's just part of the narrative and story. If they depict rape however, it's likely the author fantasizes about it and enjoys it.

Whether or not that holds true or in most cases, that's the reason rape always generates discourse. You can easily believe that the sex crimes in say, Game of Thrones, are there in large part because the writer/showrunners were getting off on it.

>>280262936
I was gonna write this out but this anon has it right. Though I also think it's worth mentioning that rape (and sexual assault) in general is also a much more personal crime, ie, you're far more likely to know someone who has been molested, raped or SA'd in some way than you are to know someone whose been murdered. Even through the internet, I imagine many (especially younger) people have had situations where creators they've enjoyed have been outed for rape or whatever. It's a crime you're much more often to see in real life, yet much rarer in media, which is opposite of murder. For the average person, murder is completely desensitized and you can have entire movies hitched around brutal killings done by the hero and no one will bat an eye, meanwhile rape is so rare it only will remind them about how common it is in real life.

While objectively it may carry similar weight to murder, if not murder being heavier, culturally the average person is far more sensitive to rape for these reasons, among others. I think it's why a lot of Lynch's work treat the rape of a young girl to be the ultimate evil in his worlds, as it's someone that's so commonplace in life, yet hardly explored.

>>280219782
Yeah let's just forget the time Griffith and Guts were abused too.
0/10

I really wonder how many cops and anti-rape agencies post on 4chan nowadays.
Reminder, if they make an issue out of nothing - that's more work for them they get paid for.

Anti-rape industrial complex? Also ironically it makes real rape happen inevitably. I found this out the hard way.

>>280255544
Yeah they dance around and sing songs of joy usually

>>280256639
Why can't anime do this more seriously more often?
This is just hentai, it comes off as cheesy and comedic unless you're super careful.

You might as well just make DMC jokes.

>>280266300
Do you turn everything you don't like into a conspiracy?

>>280257142
A lot of people never had a chance to voluntarily lose their virginity. Why are normalfags so hell bent on shaming them and promoting those that are raped of their virginity?
Why is that a good thing?

But I do agree it starts to become rapeslop. There's no psychological horror or anything in it. No catharsis. It even fails to be properly indulgent.

>>280258581
Rape is mere animalistic indulgence without care of the raped's feelings.
That is it.

I'm not talking mere mingling either. I'm talking actual restraint of the raped and force used.
Not the bullshit they call rape in courts nowadays, which is just fucking mingling.

>>280266430
It's not a conspiracy. These fuckheads love grooming this forum.
They spent like a billion dollars in my country try to groom forums like these for crackdowns on violence against women.
All it does is piss off people and ironically create more violence against women. But they know that. It's their industry. It's their goal to make that happen because it makes their bread.

>>280266592
meds

>>280256940
Then the equivalent of a man raping a man is a woman raping a woman?

>>280253153
Normally yes, that's true. I was mostly talking about feminists calling past sexual encounters "rape" regardless if they were forced or not.

I often wonder, would my child abuse have occurred if the government didn't get involved with this shit?
There was a defense force connection to mine personally.

>>280266623
>what is breadtube
These aren't even the government/ngo related ones and there's clearly an economy forming around this shit.
Almost as bad as the alt-right tubes, which are also breadtubes to me.

>>280262936
People who commit serial rape and murder get more social respect than people who only commit serial rape

>>280266915
Just ask Weinstein, he just gets away with it and courts consider him oppressed by the system now.
And it's nothing to do with Israeli OPSEC, to cover up their blackmail rackets and the perception of the Jewish controlled rape cult in Hollywood.

>>280265516
That's because instead of being given time to process it for the rest of their lives, they're forced to come to terms with what's being done to them all in one moment, including the knowledge that they'll never be able to achieve the life that they wanted and their loved ones are never going to see them again

>>280219822
Rape is not worse than murder by any stretch of the imagination. Not even slightly. If you gave someone the choice between getting raped and murdered, virtually100% would choose rape.

>>280267319
Depends on how long it is.
Could be eternal rape.

And it could be their kink too.

>>280267782
Depends on how the rape is done. If it's just "rape" with no violence and involves and good-looking guy/girl with lube, I'd choose eternal rape.
Imagine a hot guy up my ass and a hot girl on my dick raping me for an eternity. kek.

>>280268838
If the "rape" is just my fantasy of a power bottom forcing me to fuck them, then I would choose that every time, yes.
But not what you said, that's gay as fuck.

>>280219822
This place full of retards, edgelords and actual sociopaths who can't understand or fathom why extreme suffering is worse than death.

>>280267782
Eternal rape by tentacles and monsters, my beloved

>>280243699
>Donovan wasn't a God with magical baby-hacking sperm
>Guts wasn't in love with Donovan
>Donovan hadn't saved Guts from being raped prior, giving him a reason to live
>Guts hadn't just watched all his friends die in front of him
Donovan was a stranger Guts didn't know and Guts felt the betrayal more strongly from Gambino. Guts' trauma may not have turned him into a potato but it did give him random flashbacks well into adulthood and during sex.

This thread shows that the result of all this is that without even going to the extent of infinite regress, just by going back all humanity, every single human being on this earth has a close family member or ancestor that has been raped

>>280272717
I'm glad rape exists. I wouldn't exist without it.
I hope my ancestors were milked to oblivion even after he or she came.

>>280272981
well that's kinda twisted but at that time people were hella barbaric even tho it had a somewhat severe punishment for it in certain society some didn't had that same treatment but the point is that regardless even today in western country in 2025 people are getting away with rape my point is that people think that doesn't concern them but in fact they don't realize that many people of their family or ancestor got raped

>>280272981
You wouldn't exist without murder either

>>280219584 (OP)
Because ever since young we're fed killing in media to the point it becomes mundane. We do not get exposed to rape until much later in most cases. Same with incest in media.

>>280219584 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSAQyzPcl0
Because rape is awesome and deep down women are programmed to enjoy it. But we know that it isn't actually good so we have this cognitive dissonance where the act is pleasurable but we know it's bad and it makes people go a little bit crazy.
Also part of it is letting women have a say in society, we let them tell us rape is worse than dying. Many things in life are only as bad as you are told they are bad. If someone grows up thinking its normal to fall and skin your knee every day they won't feel like they are suffering that much. But if you tell them it's the worst thing ever and they should be better off dead than they will feel ten times worse.
Rape was just another thing that happened before modern society. Sure it wasn't good but women didn't go insane and kill their kids and themselves if it happened. But now they are constantly bombarded with messages that getting raped means your life is basically over and you need to be in therapy forever and you're a permanent victim.
People need to unironically get over it, I'm not supporting rape but it needs to stop being put on a pedestal this this supremely evil act.

>>280219584 (OP)
Personally I find it hotter to get sexually enslaved by a character that's consciously motivated to humiliate and torture me for an eternity <3

>>280271353
Personally I find the idea of getting sexually enslaved to a character that's consciously motivated to humiliate and torture you for an eternity hotter <3

>>280220013
This isn't a full explanation for this phenomena but it's still true. Torture and rape are similar. Torture is also treated a lot worse than killing.

>>280271280
If extreme suffering were worse than death, then criminals would choose execution rather than life imprisonment. But they don't. Murder is objectively worse than rape.

Objectively.

This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact.

Is there any manga or anime that doesn't portray rape as a porn scene? I mean, cases like Berserk, Perfect Blue and Dandadan seem too focused on the characters' titties.

>>280244888
literal muslim logic

>>280273502
So glad I'm not a boomer. Damn you guys have fucked up views about women. Go back to reposting comics about how much you hate your frigid wife on Facebook, not realizing how much you're publicly embarassing yourself

>>280274292
Not him, but I can't stress enough how absolutely fucked zoomers are for not only believing rape is worse than murder, but thinking it's the obvious answer and that anyone who disagrees is being silly. Seriously, stop being a zoomer. Stop it right now.

>>280274349
I don't think rape is worse than murder, but I don't think it's awesome or that women enjoy it either you brainless culture war bot.

>>280274019
how do you make forced sex not look like sex???

>>280220477
TRVTH NVKE

>>280219584 (OP)
Most people (normies) deep down think murder can be justified under certain circumstances (revenge, greater good, etc.) while rape can never be justified.

Of course we here know that rape can be justified for the exact same reasons I just gave, but you're never gonna convince some leftoid that a bratty 10 year old needs to be raped so she doesn't grow up to be a dame ningen.

>>280274846
>bratty 10 year old
anon...

>>280274846
>dame ningen
kek

>>280274846
>murder can be justified under certain circumstances
That's true. Self-defense, for example. But revenge was never accepted as a justification for murder, only in fiction. And under what circumstances can rape be justified as a greater good?

>>280274292
Don't remember asking the trans community for their opinion. Not sure why that would be relevant since you are never in danger of being raped.

>>280275083
Self defense isn't murder.

>>280275424
>brings up "trans" out of nowhere
Yup brainwashed culture war Facebook boomers are here

>>280275566
You will never be a woman.

>>280275566
You'll understand when you are older kid, enjoy youthful naivete while it lasts. Don't bother replying to me with whatever cope made up story about you being older than me and having 5 wives and 16 children or whatever I don't care.

I was conceived from rape.
I’ve never met my biological father.

>>280275684
Damn. Must be hard living with a rapist. Does your mom rape you too?

>>280275766
Nope.

>>280226454
You’re the type to keep a near dead patient alive in intense agony for weeks on end and go
>Put him out of his misery? But that would be so callous and psychopathic, all lives have value :3 *unholy screams in background*

>>280275617
>>280275623
Proving my point kek. I feel bad for your sad, robotic, constantly angry existence

Rape victims have to live with it. Murder victims are, well, dead.

>>280275916
You don’t believe in ghosts?

>>280275938

True, true...but I've never seen a ghost complain about its pre-death rape.

>>280255544
If you’re a male you might end up incontinent and in anal pain for life

>>280258666
Nice try satan, take your gay commie ramblings elsewhere.

>>280276226
Not if they use lube. Then I'll just have the orgasm of my life. The kind which women could never hope to give me.

>>280276333
You’re in luck then. I am very considerate with my victims

Is this guy the same guy who makes rape threads on /v/ about how murder is okay but rape isn't?

>>280276680
Th-thanks.

>>280275454
Technically it is.

>>280219584 (OP)
Women are retarded.

>>280276879
Technically it isn't. Learn the difference between killing and murder.

>>280274707
It's not about not looking like sex, it's about not looking sexy. See OP's pic, Miura could have chosen countless other angles and expressions.

>>280276946
Learn what "technically" means.

>>280277136
All murders are killing, not all killings are murder. Self defense is not murder in any technicality. You're going to have to spend at least 25 more years on this planet before you can hope to spar with me, better luck next time.

>>280255914
What if the reasons you think justify killing someone for are why you rape them for instead?

>>280223218
That was token resistance

>>280222500
Maybe others disagree, but I think gouging out her eyes with a screwdriver is worse than the rape. But that's just me.

>>280219584 (OP)
It has nothing to do with motivation. Countless fictional villains have killed slowly, painfully and for no good reason, only to accumulate fans anyway.
It has nothing to do with harm. Raping a corpse is considered doubly vile, despite being far less harmful.
It has nothing to do with depiction. Killing is depicted as some variant of cool in most action media.
Rape elicits greater disgust. Justification ensues. That's all there is to it.

>>280219584 (OP)
This thread is precisely why rape is more controversial than killing. Nobody really disputes that murder is bad; lots of people do think rape is good or that women like it/secretly want it. Nobody thinks murder victims "enjoyed" being murdered.

>>280220063
>depictions rape as punishment for even worse evils will start getting acceptable
It already is. For men.

>>280278187
That said, rape in romance fiction is not uncommon, particularly the further back you go. I've read older romance novels where the hero literally just holds the heroine down and rapes her. The rule used to be
>If she enjoys it, it's not "real" rape.

>>280278548
Yeah. When it comes to fiction, it's really just the audience's consent that matters. Not the character's.

>>280278247
>lots of people do think rape is good or that women like it/secretly want it
MAGA people

>>280221636
>>280221670
>>280221689
Torture is a good thing to discuss for this conversation. Being tortured to death is worse than being raped. It's everything people say is bad about rape and even more. Yet people can still accept someone being tortured to death as punishment but not a woman getting raped as punishment.

>>280278187
>Male on female (and sometimes male on male)* rape elicits greater disgust
Fixed that for you.
It's because male sexuality is considered gross. Simple as.

>>280278262
It doesn't stop at rape for men in hollywood, though. It usually also involves sexual mutilation.

Was berserk the first popular NTR manga?

>>280255914
Yeah this, Why the fuck would anyone rather be raped than killed, You'd just wanna commit suicide after the fact anyway

>>280278866
No self-respecting man would accept male on female (or male on male) rape as "punishment". My sexuality can only be used as a reward, not as "punishment".

>>280237005
>Proving anon's point
Why did god start spawning NPCs in real life?

Why didn't Griffith just rape Guts? Is he stupid? That would have resolved the entire thing and ended the series right then and there.

>>280279657
Why didn't Griffith rape me?

What color were Casca's nipples?

>>280279696
You are neither an underage girl, a filthy rich fatman or Guts bitch

>>280279722
>1997 anime
Carnation pink
>2012 movies
Darker brown
>Miura's art
Light colored
Presumably Casca's tan skin is not entirely genetic but reflects the fact that she grew up working in the fields.

>>280227287
It's not that rape is inherently worse than killing, it's just that there's no context where it can be really justified.

>>280279902
>Carnation pink
nice...
that's like the best combo

>>280279954
This anon gets it
Rapists literally have zero excuses
You can make up a dozen understandable scenarios for death
That's what makes rape so heinous

>>280279747
But he fucked this ugly bitch >>280219584 (OP)?
I can guarantee you that I look hotter than her.

>>280279902
It's a bit of both, pretty sure Casca is part Kushan

>>280279902
You're retarded. Very few girls have pink nipples. Only redheads are a guarantee for pink nipples, and it's very rare for other phenotypes.
No girl who is light enough to have pink nipples would have her skin darken this much after tanning.

>>280219584 (OP)
Women have one currency, their bodies. Taking sex from them is basically taking away their only reason to exist. Imagine how you would feel if you were a vending machine, your only purpose is to take coins and give soda. Then some lunchtime rowdy comes along and rips open your door and takes all your soda leaving you no coins. I bet you would feel pretty bad about that.

>>280280226
Most white people have pink nipples you retard, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>280280355
No, they don't, retard.

>>280279657
Griffith wanted to psychically punish Casca and mentally punish Guts.
Ironically the end result was the swapped.

>>280280384
If you have brown nipples you aren't white.

>>280280226
>>280280384
I'm a white guy with blond hair and I have pink nipples.

>>280280495
Men with pink nipples are feminine
T. Blond and blue eyes with brown nipples

>>280280495
Are you a femboy? I hope you have a pink dick too.

>>280280108
>man rapes your daughter, mother, whatever
>get a maniac to rape her rapist countless times, then do whatever you want when he's damaged enough
I find it insane that you would turn to some kind of man capable of doing such atrocity as a tool to enact your revenge, but I can easily imagine a twisted mofo coming up with this shit as a long form payback. Especially those mafioso dudes who are total psychopaths living by "a code".

>>280280695
Probably have a bit of Italian in you.
>>280280723
I have a pink dick and long blond hair, but I'm 6'2 so idk if that makes me a femboy.

>>280280889
Rape for rape is based and fair, to be honest. Whether or not lube is used depends on how wet your mother or daughter was.
People usually seek mutilation and/or death for male-perpetrated rape, which is unfair.
Rape for rape is just and fair.

>>280278548
> particularly the further back you go
Have you read modern smut?

Objectively speaking if a woman commits some major crime like murder which she is unable to make reparations for, she should be turned into a slave to maximize the reparations payed to the wronged party and/or their loved ones. Any justice system which denies this isn't actually trying to minimize injustice. It's just a philosophically incoherent tug of war between interest groups who want to use government violence against their enemies while minimizing government violence done to themselves, even when they are in the wrong.

>>280234837
What a fucking retarded take. Obviously everyone dies, but there's a huge difference between proper and improper deaths. One gives you and your loved ones time to prepare and cope with it, and the other permanently that away.

>>280281030
No, but Fifty Shades of Grey was considered super edgy by modern standards, even though it at worst contains dubious consent, from what I hear. The housewives back in the '70s and '80s who read romance novels probably wouldn't even bat an eyelash at it.

>>280281447
>most sold book on earth for an extended time period
>super edgy
If you want a fair comparison you can't just cherrypick some shit that's been read by 50 housewives total. Go find something more rapey that was the most sold book on earth for an extended time period

>>280281600
You're arguing that modern romance novels for women still contain a lot of rape, right? So then, you should actually be saying
>Go find a modern book that sold an equivalent amount to these older, rape-filled novels, and you'll see an equal amount of rape.

>>280281600
De Sade?

>>280280226
Why is this roastie seething and lying about the realism of pink nipples? The majority of whites have pink nipples. Guts is 7'7 and Griffith has white hair at 18, I don't think Casca (tan white person) having pink nipples is a huge stretch of realism by comparison.

>>280281796
I >>280281600 wasn't the person you were previously talking to and have no real knowledge and am making no claims about when rape was most accepted in romance. I'm just saying comparing 50 shades to some shit no one has ever heard of is retarded, and calling the most sold book for a decade 'edgy' is more retarded.

>>280281928
It's considered "edgy" precisely because it made it into topsellers

>>280281964
>it's edgy because it was popular
edgy was always a stupid word but this might be the single most tortured and dishonest way anyone has ever used it in the history of earth

>>280281928
Fifty Shades of Grey was extremely controversial to normalfags, despite the fact that he literally makes her sign a contract consenting to everything. That's the entire point: it's relatively tame in the scheme of things, but feminists still freaked out about it.

>>280282070
I meant that it gets more scrutiny because it made it into mainstream culture

>>280256926
>>280256985
I know you dumb fucks, the point is precisely that manga treats rape as a fetish and not as a problem.

>>280282504
Whose point, and why is it a problem?

>>280279954
ok but we are talking about unjust killing and unjust rape

>>280219584 (OP)
Why isn't she fighting back?

>>280267319
>If you gave someone the choice between getting raped and murdered, virtually100% would choose rape.
No they wouldn't. This is projection.

>>280282504
YWNBAW

>>280284599
This is not a matter of opinion, anon. This is a matter of fact. Nearly every single criminal to have ever existed has fought tooth and nail to avoid a death sentence in favor of life imprisonment. You are simply wrong about this, because your zoomer mind is incapable of perceiving reality.

>>280284599
It's a fair projection to hold though. It's reasonable to think most people value their life, only those who value it very little would choose to get murdered

>>280285036
Again, none of this is speculation. Humans consistently choose life at all costs. Nearly 100% of people would choose rape over murder, just like exactly 100% of women would choose men over the bear. This isn't a debate. We're talking about facts, not opinions.

>>280280310
What if this vending machine was dressed provocatively and was basically asking for it?

>>280285287
Any vending machine is dressed provocatively and is asking for it in the sense that it entices you to purchase stuff from it. It's a bad vending machine if it doesn't

>>280219584 (OP)
i love rape. post more rape scenes.

Rape is worse than death if you get AIDS.

>>280285527
Then why don't people with AIDS just kill themselves?

>>280285527
A very interesting statement anon.

>>280285527
I'd rather live with aids than die. And even if I kill myself as a result of how bad my life becomes due to it at least I would've done so of my own accord. Having the option to keep living makes all the difference

>>280285431
they made it twice?

>>280219822
So rape someone and then kill them too?
What???

>>280219584 (OP)
There is peace in death, there is no peace in rape.

>>280288688
Griffith did that because he wanted to. He couldn't even kill Casca in the Eclipse.

>>280288688
Why do people say Griffith on Earth isn't the same Griffith in the astral world when he's literally morphing his body here?

>>280257123
Slavery isn't as controversial as rape

*Aah*
That was a good r/a/pe.
R/a/pe you again, my fellow r/a/pists.

>>280228752
So, you'd get a lesser sentence? So murder is life, rape is 20, rape-murder is 10?

>>280285431
>>280285805
why are there 2 of them? I genuinely can't tell if one, if any, of them is supposed to be "censored for mainstream audience". perhaps the reception was so good they made it again in terms of "Rape is SO good that we made Rape 2!" lmao.

>>280219584 (OP)
It's actually not, not in the first world at least. But rape is more dramatic in a story, and so *the way it's depicted* is the most disgusting one.
A lot of rape irl is just getting a woman drunk.
A lot of murder is not the result of an heroic battle or even a villain going on a murder spree, it's just some dude murder suiciding his wife and daughter because she cheated on him or he lost his job.
But if you live somewhere like India and you're a woman, yeah I'd rather die too. They just hide behind a bush so they can gangrape you to death on your way to elementary school. We have it too nice in the civilized world to really understand how bad it gets.

>>280293902
>But if you live somewhere like India and you're a woman, yeah I'd rather die too
This, lmao.

>>280294045
Indians are very creepy. They're ruining Japan too.

>>280294045
>"rape is not so bad" thread
>India is mentioned
>IMMEDIATE meltdown
Well well well.

>>280294203
Agreed. Jeets rape everything that moves (and doesn't move).

>>280294265
Delete India.

>>280219584 (OP)
Honestly for all the "zoomer" namecalling in here millennials are much worse with the pussy pedestalization because it's still a leftover from their boomer parents telling them a happy wife is a happy life and women can do no wrong. Zoomer men don't think like that, nor do zoomer women

>Zoomer men don't think like that, nor do zoomer women
lol, what? You're coping. Hard.
The men's rights movement isn't as influential as you think it is.

>>280294045
>>280294265
>>280294305
>>280295611
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>280219584 (OP)
murder is kind of a peaceful end, rape ruins the rest of their life and will have them waste years trying to cope with it
same reason why blinding or mutilating someone is more fucked up than executing them

>>280297524
>Post for ants

Post more rape. Someone posted this in yesterday's yoko thread and I have no idea where it's from.

>>280299594
Create a new thread if you want to, anon. Let us have another r/a/pist congregation.