What exactly makes this Seinen and not Shojo?

>>280330053 (OP)
Made for big man instead of tiny girl.

>>280330053 (OP)
Everyone wants to fuck Maomao.

>>280330053 (OP)
The magazine that publishes the manga.
If you're a newfaggot that still thinks that seinen and shoujo are genres and not marketing categories for manga magazines that dates back to the '40s I urge you to stop reading manga and go back to your normalfaggot hobbies

>>280330155
>the '40s
20s

>>280330155
sure, they're not genres, but you're delusional if you think there's not a difference between what's marketed for men vs what's marketed for women

>>280330218
>'20s
Arguably true for shounen and shoujo
For the most part dedicated manga magazines before WWII were unisex but clearly targeted towards boys, and this provoked the surge of separated magazines for girls, and in turn this cementified the male target for the original magazines
Those two categories became huge in the '20s and '30s, yes, but I would argue that the post-war guidelines that were enforced and the need to rebuild the publishing industry from the ground up formed the basis of what a shounen / shoujo magazine content became from that point onward in a more relevant way to today compared to the prewar view of manga.
Seinen and Josei became explicit editorial categories in the late '50s / early '60s

>>280330350
Yes, if Apothecary Diaries were published in a shoujo magazine it would have been drawn and written differently, according to the requests of the editor, who would have requested changes in order to better satisfy the larger percentage of female readers
But the reality of the fact is that a manga is published in a seinen magazine it's seinen and cannot be anything else, same for shounen etc

>>280330155
souka
it's not genres it's marketing, this is a revelation

>>280330053 (OP)
>What exactly makes this Seinen and not Shojo?
The two magazines which the two manga get published in being Seinen magazines. /thread

>>280330155
>go back to your normalfaggot hobbies
I've been watching anime for over a decade kek, you can't tell me what to do. Wrap your head around that one then come back to me. If you can't tell what people mean when they use seinen and shoujo the way they would use a genre label and immediately jump to them not knowing the distinction you're just being a facetious little pussy. When you fags hate on shonen for not having ouuugh cunny ooough cunny every other chapter we know you mean a particular kind of shonen that contains supernatural powers and fight scenes, categorically a genre, not just any manga marketed at boys.

>>280330053 (OP)
By actual audience it’s probably better called Josei.

>>280330053 (OP)
nothing?
its a shoujo

>>280332207
>I've been watching anime for over a decade kek
Wow that's so long, you could probably even witness such classics as SAO or Tokyo Ghoul when they were airing. Please share more of your wisdom oldfag-dono.

>>280330155
I think part of the problem is that "battle shounen" is kind of a genre and it's usually shortened to just "shounen" so newfag retards don't know any better.

>>280330053 (OP)

All the murder, prostitution, slavery and pedo related subplots?

>>280332406
Girls love those things though.

>>280332207
I've been watching since the early 90s and never cared or attempted to learn genres. I just find shows I like and watch them

>>280332207
>I've been watching anime for over a decade
And yet you don't know what you are talking about if you imply that shounen is a genre
>what people mean when they use seinen and shoujo the way they would use a genre label
I can immediately tell that they're retarded, just like you, and I don't engage with them because it means they lack the minimum required knowledge of the subject to have a meaningful discussion, just like you do
>particular kind of shonen that contains supernatural powers and fight scenes, categorically a genre, not just any manga marketed at boys.
This is caused by people like you who are ignorant and instead of learning use wrong terms and keeps polluting the discussion.
The fact that stupid people call battle manga "shounen manga" doesn't mean I have to bow my head and accept their wrongness.
>>280332370
>battle shounen
Problem is, battle shounen is not a genre, it's a Western made-up term. There are action manga, and a subset of those are fightning manga, and a subsect of those have a specific narrative progression inspired by Kinnikuman, Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya for the most part. Western fans chose to call those manga "battle shounen" but the problem is that those people now think that shounen is a synonym of battle, when less than 5% of series published in shounen manga have been battle focused: the vast majority of shounen manga are spokon, gag/comedy, slice of life, school romance and sci-fi/fantasy.

>>280332682
That's why I said "kind of" a genre. It's just how people describe Nerduto, One Piss, and Boku no Pico Acedemia, etc and it leads to people just using "shounen" as a shorthand for it in the west.

>>280332370
"Battle shonen" isn't a distinct genre, martial arts stories exist in every demographic.

>>280330155
>>280331425
Published in a seinen a magazine yet the publisher labels it a shoujo. Interesting that.
https://www.manga-up.com/titles/356

>>280332449
Yes, but it's guilty pleasure, they are not allowed to expose little girls to it, or it could be taken as promoting wrong kind of lifestyle. Same reason why underage protags will turn down alcohol or sometimes be forced to drink milk instead.

>>280333163
Anon, that is a tag that indicates that there's a shoujo (young girl) as a main protagonist
If you click it it will show you other series tagged like it, like Mahōka Kōkō no Rettōsei, because Miyuki is a major protagonist with her brother, unless you want to argue that Mahōka Kōkō no Rettōsei is targeted towards young girls.
Hell, the very next tag アニメ化・実写化 is "with an anime adaptation"; is that also a genre, anon-kun?

>>280330053 (OP)
>>280330390
>me, trying to read some seinen manga
>pick up what should be mature psychological thriller
>it’s literally just tall dark handsome man with trauma falls for quirky girl
EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What the absolute FUCK happened to seinen? I swear to god, sometime in the last decade women just decided “you know what, we’re gonna write shoujo but call it seinen and there’s nothing you can do about it” and the industry just fucking rolled over and took it.
I’m so fucking tired of this shit. You want to read about adult men dealing with actual adult problems? HAHA GET FUCKED. Here’s your 6’4” emotionally unavailable coffee shop owner with dead parents and hands the size of dinner plates. Here’s your stoic assassin who’s actually just a big softie who needs the right woman to fix him. Here’s your corporate salary man who’s secretly a vampire/demon/whatever but he’s SENSITIVE about it.
These aren’t seinen protagonists, they’re fucking self-insert fantasy boyfriends for women who read too much fanfiction. And the worst part is IT’S WORKING. These series are selling like hotcakes while actual seinen gets buried under mountains of “he’s so baby girl” tweets made by normalfag casuals.
Remember when seinen meant Berserk? Monster? 20th Century Boys? Stories about MEN dealing with MEN problems in a MEN way? Now it’s “what if Guts but he owns a bakery and has anxiety about his ex-girlfriend?”
The female mangaka figured out the cheat code: slap enough blood/office setting/mentions of taxes on your shoujo romance and woAh, it’s “mature storytelling” now. Meanwhile actual seinen gets pushed to the back because it doesn’t have enough pretty boys for the fujoshi market.

>>280333439
>Monster? 20th Century Boys?
Urasawa has never written a single page worth reading in his life and these two are even worse than those pornographic female self-insert stories you are crying about

>>280330053 (OP)
It seems that old men and little girls like the same things

>>280333439
The schizo rant shall continue.
Let’s talk about shota.
No, not the soft pastel stuff. I mean the stuff that gets patted on the head and called “subversive” and “sensitive portrayals of masculinity” while lolicon gets dragged through glass and called criminal degeneracy.

What the fuck is this double standard?
You think the same people who scream “drawn lolis are literal abuse” suddenly turn into Derrida-tier philosophers when the 12-year-old boy is the object? Suddenly it’s about trauma, queer identity, gender inversion, emotional vulnerability, ““nuance””. Shut the fuck up.
When a guy likes 2D girls:
>“You’re a disgusting manchild clinging to a control fantasy”
When a woman draws a shota getting railed by a 7-foot oni with bedroom eyes:
>“It’s just exploring power dynamics and healing from repressive gender norms uwu”
They’ll analyze shota like it’s fucking Dostoevsky while lolicon is declared a war crime. How the hell does this happen? Because (say it with me now) female consumption is protected, and male desire is criminalized.
You could slap a shota into a depressing WW2 bunker getting lovingly groomed by a Nazi and someone on Twitter will write a 40-tweet thread on why it’s “healing.” Meanwhile a lolicon artist draws a girl eating cake and everyone’s calling Interpol.
Fucking hypocrites. If you’re gonna burn loli to the ground, fine. But don’t pretend the shota fandom is a bunch of pure-hearted trauma-processing cherubs. They’re just as into it, arguably worse because they’re constantly justifying it behind layers of academia and gender theory.
At least lolicons admit they’re sick in the head.

>>280333509
That Monster and 20th Century Boys are fondly remembered as examples of good seinen should show you just how far the genre has fallen

>>280333415
Anon, they literally have shounen and seinen as genres along with shoujo.
>that is a tag that indicates that there's a shoujo (young girl) as a main protagonist
Interesting hypothesis, where's the young girl protagonist here?
https://www.manga-up.com/titles/603
You could've done a modicum of research to test your hypothesis instead of just coming up with something that fits your preconceived notions then assume it's correct.

>>280333605
The true indicator of shoujo isn’t a female protagonist, it’s the huge ass hands

>>280330053 (OP)
Women love to infiltrate male spaces
/thread

>>280333706
I don't think anyone publishes yaoi as shoujo, despite girls being biggest consumers.

>>280333584

>>280330053 (OP)
Lack of gay stuff.

>>280330155
This is just dodging the issue. The real question is why it's being published in a seinen magazine instead of a shoujo one.

>>280334181
Jinshi got very open advances from men.

Was homosex not frowned upon? Or did they have a Greek view on it where the bottom was considered the gay one?

>>280334236
Can you blame him?

>>280330053 (OP)
It doesn't have enough romance I guess.

>>280330053 (OP)
It's neither, it's just shit.

>>280333439
I sure hope you're including moe manga, cooking manga, and slice of life manga in here. Because all of those have popular seinen manga too. Hell I'm pretty sure cooking papa is seinen

>>280333584
>sensitive portrayals of masculinity
Which shota manga are those? Because all the studd that gets touted in here is /ss/

>>280333439
Chi's Sweet Home and Gon are the only cases I know about series which got recognition in all demographics (adults and children altogether) despite being conceived on seinen magazines, during the 1990s. For me, seinen is somewhat about writing experiments which couldn't fit in any other demographic.

>>280339924
Sorry, I forgot Chi got released in 2000s

>>280330053 (OP)
It's good