Thread 280334696

do not reason with evil

anal

>>280334696 (OP)
Frieren didn't estabilish "evil".
Therefore, from the point of view of demons, the elves are evil.

>>280334696 (OP)
Reason with evil, then convince evil to put a bag over its head

>>280334696 (OP)
It's just so fucking funny and sad how the alt right have co-opted this as to say "treat foreigners like Frieren treats demons"

Dumb elf

>>280334981
>treat foreigners like Frieren treats demons
damn it... why didn't i think of this?

>>280335291
Yeah don't you know, "foreigners" are monsters who only use human words to manipulate humans, and that they cannot be reasoned or negotiated with less they use your niceness as a weakness to eventually kill you.

>>280336134
Yeah makes sense, the fact they're a different color is just their true form revealing itself

>>280334981
They are impotent IRL so all they have is fiction.

>>280334696 (OP)
Is it really evil or just natural instinct interpreted as evil due to difference in species?

Evil woman thread?

>>280336702
>impotent
that’s troons

>>280334696 (OP)
don't care. going to have sex with the demon.

>>280334696 (OP)
>that image
Absolute kek. I love pics of Frieren with demons

>>280334981
You are alive!?
You are the antifa dude who posted about loving refugees and colored folx on twitter, and then got stabbed in the neck by the same "people" you love in front of your fiance? Nature is beautiful...

>>280334981
The real reason American's shouldn't have access to anime.

>>280341524
>American's shouldn't
>American's
ur dum

>>280334949
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>>280334696 (OP)
Frieren can't into nuance, sad!

how long until the elf village arc and then how long until the elf antagonist arc where frieren chooses to side with humans because of some "our time in the sun is long past" bullshit

Loving evil women.

>>280334696 (OP)
giga frieren

>>280343337
you deserve to become a victim of rape

>>280343423
>a demon sympathizer wrote this

>>280343549
i am a demon.

>>280336134
>they use your niceness as a weakness to eventually kill you.
they literally do this every time.
these days, other whites are just as bad though.

>>280344171
your gf looks good

>>280334981
They see demons as an allegory for jews They're right

>>280345946
i thought tyranids were the allegory for jews

>>280334981
I've seen leftoids bringing up the supposed parallels more often than rightoids
hell, they themselves create media where demons are an allegory for foreigners, just look at netflix's DMC adaptation

>>280334696 (OP)
A purely evil existence with intelligence like the demons in frieren would not be able to exist. It's a strawman for whatever group you want to hate on and is tool for evil ironically

>>280334858
shut up anakin

>>280346412
Demons don't have intelligence though. They just learned language. LLMs can talk like a human and fool people into thinking they're intelligent but at the end of the day they have no intelligence and no reason.

>>280347552
thats kind of like you and most npcs you see today

>>280347552
lots of people fool you into thinking they're actually intelligent when they "aren't". I don't know how you can objectively measure social intelligence if not for how they interact with someone. The demons have an entire hierarchy which implies cohesion, which requires empathy and emotion. They could not exist as they are portrayed in reality.

>>280347677
I'm not talking about some slick talker who is actually stupid, like most business bros. I'm talking about an existence that has ZERO intelligence and ZERO reason yet can talk by just predicting what the next word should be through probabilistic models. Just like an LLM.
>The demons have an entire hierarchy which implies cohesion, which requires empathy and emotion
Not really. Their hierarchy is purely based on power and is generally disregarded. They have no real social cohesion outside of mostly staying out of eachother's way. This is all pure instinct, no different than predators generally not hunting other predators. At best demons are wolves who were given chatGPT.

>>280347820
>>I'm not talking about some slick talker who is actually stupid, like most business bros. I'm talking about an existence that has ZERO intelligence and ZERO reason yet can talk by just predicting what the next word should be through probabilistic models. Just like an LLM.
it's crazy how people don't understand how their own speech works. Like that's how speech is created in our own heads.

Hello, I just came here to declare that demons are niggers

That's all. Thanks and goodbye

>>280347892
Idk about you but I can go from concept to speech while understanding both. Humans have something called understanding, we use speech to translate a concept into a form that can be communicated.
You're not just trying to predict what the next word in a conversation should be through some sort of probabilistic model, you're trying to communicate some sort of idea.
LLMs don't do this, they're a purely probabilistic model with no actual thinking or understanding.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.21521
This paper is a great example. Unless you're talking to someone with very advanced Alzheimer's you're not going to get these kinds of answers. If someone understands a concept then they'll also be able to solve a simple problem by applying it.

>>280348240
>concept representations
so they do exist in llm, they just suck and you act like they're not there.

>>280348341
But they don't... they can't understand concepts because they can't understand anything. It's not a thinking machine, it's just a machine that's really good at talking.
Or do you not understand what "representation" means?

>>280348440
in what way exactly is the human's ability to represent concepts in their mind different from these "concept representations" other than, as this paper that YOU posted pointed out they're lacking.

>>280334981
Not all foreigners, just jews.

>>280348481
Humans understand concepts, LLMs don't. Conceptual representation in humans comes from actual conceptual understanding, in LLMs it comes from being really good at guessing. These are 2 fundamentally different things.
Do you perhaps need help in understanding the difference between the representation of something and the actual thing?

>>280343188
The only people trying to find nuance in evil are themselves evil and trying to justify it.

>>280346412
>A purely evil existence with intelligence like the demons in frieren would not be able to exist.
I'll bite. Why?

>>280347820
Not even wolves. They lack the capacity of mammal social hierarchies. They are reptiles. Small lizard stays out of the way of big lizard. Nothing more complex than that.

>>280348637
you're getting weirdly, stupidly, stuck on this "representation" thing as if that's something. WE REPRESENT CONCEPTS IN OUR MINDS WE DON'T HOLD THE ACTUAL CONCEPT IN OUR MIND... or does an apple suddenly appear in your brain every time you think about fruit?

Anyway, the point is that these "concept representations" DO exist in LLM as stated by your own fucking paper it's just that they suck.

>>280348728
because a race that is able to comingle and attain intelligence to the point of not only being able to speak but also to be extremely capable of something as advanced as magic would only be able to arise under circumstances where they are able to experience and learn those necessary components of language and magic... which would require a society... which would require empathy and community to build... which is lacking in demons. No human in the world is born with the capability to speak, even with a lack of true understanding of it. They require interaction with others, a community, relationships to establish those things.

>>280343188
they did you just missed it, the demon's are psycho/sociopaths pushed to the extreme for a points sake, elves are on autism spectrum and humans are neurotypicals
the show is an autists take on the trinity of common humans, can't wait to see what race is going to embody insanity

>>280348869
They're magical, not biological.

>>280349024
I mean sure go ahead explain away everything with magic. It becomes a pointless discussion at that point.

>>280348745
>WE REPRESENT CONCEPTS IN OUR MINDS WE DON'T HOLD THE ACTUAL CONCEPT IN OUR MIND
Literally nobody ever said that. Are you functionally illiterate?
Have you actually read the paper or did you just see the word "concept" and latch onto it? Concept representation is just that, representation. It's not something you "have" or that "exists in LLMs" because it's not a feature of either LLMs or humans, it's just the way that a deeper feature presents itself on the surface.
If you're not going to actually read the paper at least skim page 2 and the bit about conceptual understanding in humans.

>>280348869
>empathy and community
they have a society, their community is on par with a fancy looking ghetto, they don't need empathy to realize 10 monkeys stronger than one and they stroke their ego by having underlings and those underlings are only there to soak up knowledge, stay alive and to wait patiently until their top dog dies so they can be the new top dog
it's not that difficult to conceive it even george lucas managed to do it with the sith, you don't have to be a empathetic pillar of community to teach child soldiers your tricks of trade so they're more useful to you
you're a unimaginative person, moron or baiting

>>280349165
>george lucas managed to do it with the sith
yeah another shit implementation means that THIS shit implementation is ok. A community on that level requires empathy no matter how much your edgy ass brain thinks it doesn't.

>>280349055
you already knew you were having a pointless discussion

>>280349237
I mean you making a shit argument doesn't make my argument meaningless, sorry I guess.

>>280349231
and naturally you don't teach them everything, you teach them the bare minimum for them to be useful but not a threat to you, the weaker demons cling to you because of survival
>muh community on that level
organized crime in america and abroad, stop being a baiter faggot

>>280349278
>organized crime in america and abroad
do you think criminals have no empathy? I know you're stupid and believe in the possibility of a black and white world, but jesus dude we don't live in one.

>>280349315
>do you think criminals have no empathy
you're living in a romanticized version of mafia, the ones with empathy get fucked over by the ones without both in gang banger times and self serving backstabbers were what buried the american mafia scene
only difference in frieren is that the power gap is so vast between the top dog and underlings that it's suicide to try to turn on them, the demon society literally measures your worth and status in the pecking order by how much of a juggernaut of magic you are so the unstability with infighting is rare unless the power gap is close and even then they would rather scheme than fight their own because they can't even eat their own

it's all put there right in the lore and told to you, all you have to do is look at modern psychopaths, organized crime and the demons kratocracy method of running things culturally to see it

>>280334696 (OP)
if you were to restrain a demon, take away their ability to use magic or hurt you seriously, punish them severely every single time they displayed any lack of empathy or inhuman attitude, and rewarded them with resources and kindness every time they displayed empathy and humanity, would you be able to force them to stop being evil?

hell the same shit happens in video games too where cannibalism is a thing and food is actually a necessity, the ones that are cool with that band together for security in a uneasy alliance for safety and just prey on whatever ones they can who are outsiders
you still need a pack for protection otherwise the little fish will overwhelm you and usually top dog in video games too is done with pure merit because that's the only thing they bring to the table and the only reason to follow them

>>280349529
even the demon's who wanted to seriously co-exist with humans couldn't due to their nature and birth, they literally can't understand humans and their efforts to do so cost the lives of countless humans

>>280349546
>in video games
why is all your guys examples from fiction?

>>280348869
I'm not going to respond to your claims about the necessary social conditions for developing magic because that's retarded.

>learn those necessary components of language... which would require a society... which would require empathy and community to build
Solitary animals are capable of some degree of communication. There's no reason to assume a more intelligent solitary animal would be incapable of more complex communication. Alligators are cannibals but they still hang out together because loyalty is not a necessary requirement for the existence of beneficial social behavior.

>Alligators do exhibit some forms of social cooperation, but these are limited and context-dependent. The most notable example is among hatchlings and juveniles: newly hatched alligators form small groups called "pods," which stay together for protection against predators, demonstrating a clear benefit from group living. The mother also guards her young for up to two years, providing further cooperative defense.
>Among adults, alligators are generally territorial and solitary, especially males, but they can be found in small, close-knit groups—particularly in favorable basking or feeding spots. While not highly cooperative, adults do display complex social behaviors such as dominance hierarchies, ritualized displays, and vocal communication, especially during courtship and territorial disputes. These behaviors help reduce direct conflict and organize access to resources, which can be seen as a form of social coordination rather than true cooperation.

Why are you so confident that sufficiently intelligent alligators couldn't evolve complex language or society?

>>280349529
No.

>>280349608
because he's too stupid to understand that even simple animals like cats learn to mimic their prey to draw them in, demons are just evolved version of that and the author knows more about sociology and nature than the /a/ man of baiting

>>280349608
>sufficiently intelligent alligators couldn't evolve complex language or society
because a society is vastly different from existing in nature? Resource sharing, raising of young, it all requires some level of empathy, which even in your example the crocodiles showed some level of with their social cooperation young rearing etc. and again, you don't just spawn out of the womb able to talk. That is something that requires engaging in a community to develop. I firmly believe that no society could truly exist without empathy.

>beings that are innately powerful couldn't learn to bend the knee for their own kind for survival enough to form a organized crime ring of culture that preys on lesser beings or share knowledge of simple language to make their underlings more useful
>not without empathy that is
state is inherently parasitical in nature and only shares with its citizens to the bare minimum to keep things running as you can see from the world around you
the difference is demons don't need complex bureaucracy or hierarchical structures because it's as easy as looking at who measures highest on the mana dick measuring contest to know who gives the orders

>>280349667
you guys are making a huge amount of assumptions that don't pan out
>animals like cats
cats, as we know by our domestication of them, can have empathy for other species (humans) and so are not a good analog for demons which are explicitly stated to have no capacity for empathy
>demons are just evolved version of that
you're assuming that it's a simple 1 to 1 "evolution" to go from simplistic mimicing of noise to speech and coordination like that shown by the demons. I believe there's a necessity for the capability of empathy along that line.

>>280350062
read >>280345946

>>280349792
>Resource sharing
Why are you assuming this needs to be part of demon society? You said "society" must exist because of language, but nothing about language implies that it needs to be used to share resources. You're projecting specific details of human society onto a nebulous word that was only introduced as being 'something necessary for language'.

>I firmly believe that no society could truly exist without empathy.
You can believe what you want but you haven't actually provided any reason to agree with you. If you want to turn what you said into a coherent logical argument one necessary step is defining what a society is.

>>280350256
Society is when people come together to unite their strength to overcome the chaos of nature and establish some form of order. It's necessary for language to develop, as one must engage in communication with others to properly learn it. Society requires empathy because it is the foundation upon which relationships are built, purely relying on fear in a dictatorship without empathy would eventually fall to rebellion due to having to educate individuals and given them an understanding of the world.

>dude is so retarded that he doesn't even know how most non-nomadic civilizations were born
access to water and arable land created excess of food, excess of food lured in people who wanted a piece of that, the people there first formed hierarchy by promising a part of the food for help with the labor, excess labor and vast excess of food created a tempting target for raiding, more people were accepted in for security and survival
these proto-countries then through shared culture formed larger coalitions that were then united by bloodline marriages and alliances

the people with arable land and access to fresh water didn't accept people to share in that because of empathy, it was because of self interest and survival, it's arguable if it is even symbiotic anymore in modern days

>>280350792
empathy is the driving force that encourages people to unite together BECAUSE uniting together is beneficial to the individual. People aren't sociopathic freaks that think through "well if I give him some food now he'll work for me later and I'll be able to produce more food" they think "this guy needs food I'll help him" and THEN they both benefit in the long term.

for demons their food is humans so they have a interest in hunting them efficiently, their hierarchy is entirely based on mana / power so there is no need for complexities in hierarchies or bureaucracy because they don't need to farm or build with hands
their entire bread and butter is hunting and the only reason they need to cooperate is to survive and hunt more efficiently
>>280350920
i'm not sure if you're naive or retarded, read some history with the lens of self interest and it'll start to make more sense to you, sprinkle in some national pride and tribalism of your own kind and you might even understand groups like the juice

>>280351033
YOU may be as sociopathic as the demons, but the question here is not "are humans capable of empathy?" because that's a retarded question obviously.

Demons arent evil and Frieren never once calls them evil. They are just beings that are incompatible with civilized races and so must be put down like animals.

>>280351076
i have more sympathy to them than you do and they're literally just caricatures of sociopaths, you don't need empathy to function or to do things that are long term sustainable to you
>>280351111
they're a predatory species that uses humans as food, even the ones among them that want to co-exist with humans cause casualties because they cannot understand humans (unlike irl sociopaths)
they're technically no more evil than any other carnivores, frieren just understood that you can't co-exist with them (in her opinion and based on what we've seen so far)

>>280350502
>Society is when people come together to unite their strength to overcome the chaos of nature and establish some form of order
I'm going to paraphrase this as "cooperate and establish social structures".

So your argument is
>to have language a species must [cooperate and establish social structures]
. I already find this questionable because many things vocally communicate without cooperating, but I'll give it to you. Next you argue
>[Cooperating and establishing social structures] requires empathy because it is the foundation upon which relationships are built, purely relying on fear in a dictatorship without empathy would eventually fall to rebellion due to having to educate individuals and given them an understanding of the world.
I don't believe this. In particular people who hate each other are capable of rationally working together for mutual benefit. Furthermore, even if you characterize them as unstable, dictatorships do in fact exist. You seem to be suggesting those things can't happen in an evolutionary context but I haven't seen any supporting argument.

>>280351526
>In particular people who hate each other are capable of rationally working together for mutual benefit
only temporarily, either they stop hating each other or they stop working together relatively quickly.

>>280351578
which isn't long enough to form a proper society which would allow them to develop language*

>>280351578
>>280351613
I don't know of any generally accepted ceiling on how long people who hate each other can work together. And demons need not hate each other, they might only be apathetic outside of occasional mutually beneficial actions. If they all live individually but get together to hunt some humans once a month, and follow whoever is best at finding humans to hunt, they are already [cooperating and establishing social structures]

Fun fact: In reality many different species, even ones that eat each other, can work together to hunt sardines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait_ball#Mixed_species_feeding

>>280334981
>words are means for them to trick humans
When you pile up all of your 79 IQ point and deduct she talking about mexicans aren't you feeling dumb?

how come some demons just look like people with horns and some look like straight up monsters?

>>280354510
How come there are human that look like monkey

>>280347552
>Demons don't have intelligence though
Demons in Frieren display a greater understanding of the natural world than people do. Hell, they seem to know esoteric shit about space time that people definitely don't.
It's also notable that humans refer to their land as "the world" but demons call it "the planet".

>>280334981
How long did it take for you to type this out? It must be really difficult for you to type and breathe at the same time.

>>280354739
because they are just ugly next question

even if you managed to find demons who genuinely wanted to live peacefully with humans it would never work, look at the young demon girl himmel tried to help, she thought that murdering a mother and father to give the now orphaned child to the parents of the girl she had previously killed would be a good way to apologize.

demons don't have a concept of right and wrong, the way they think is alien to us.

>>280355139
I think that demon is just dumb.

>>280348869
>which would require a society... which would require empathy and community to build...
Erm... society requires empathy because, it heckin requires it!! Kek

>>280352260
I think the biggest reason Frieren's demons wouldn't be able to form a society is because they're never shown to do anything for any reason other than killing humans. The few exceptions just selfishly follow their whims without care for anyone else. Without humans, they don't seem to have a purpose that would drive them to develop a society. They feel as little for other demons as they do for humans, but they kill humans because for some reason it's in their nature to do so. They're akin to a sentient cancer that's attached itself to humanity.

>>280355905
how do you build a community with anyone if you're at risk of being backstabbed 24/7?

>>280356222
Killing humans matters little to most of the ones we've seen other than like Revolte. Yeah, they do it on instinct, but the stuff they want to do is actually a much higher priority than giving a fuck about humans.

>>280356326
And what do they want to do?

>>280356282
Demons are nothing but a more advanced form of mimic. But instead of eating you, they subvert everything.
And just like you don't really need a detailed explanation about mimic's biology, reproduction and ecosystem to accept then into a fantasy setting, you don't need a detailed explanation about demon's society.
Not having to explain everything with IRL logic is the fucking point of fantasy.

>>280356693
fuck off with the "it's just magic so I don't need to explain shit" argument. I think it's a shit narrative device as well to have a purely evil race of beings even outside of it making no logical sense.

>>280356721
>fuck off with the "it's just magic so I don't need to explain shit" argument
That's literally the point of fantasy.
If your mind cannot accept such compromises then stop reading fantasy altogether and read books where everyhing is limited and explained through IRL logic.

>>280356893
if your fantasy setting isn't self consistent then it's shit I'm sorry

>>280356222
We've never seen generic demon society. Maybe they're a bunch of ancaps that enjoy aesthetic clothes/architecture/etc and rationally cooperate to create those, but it never comes up because when they have an opportunity to kill humans that comes first.

>>280356282
By organizing yourself in a manner such that backstabbing isn't beneficial and/or developing the general understanding that anyone you backstab will try to kill you.

>>280356992
>Maybe they're a bunch of ancaps that enjoy aesthetic clothes/architecture/etc and rationally cooperate to create those
why would they do any of these things if they have no empathy even for eachother?

>>280334696 (OP)
reminder that frieren is wrong

>>280357044
frieren really is a monster desu

>>280357030
Because division of labor is beneficial. If humans cooperated out of empathy communists would have food.

>>280356282
>how do you build a community with anyone if you're at risk of being backstabbed 24/7?
This is awfully racist, anon, you should really reconsider saying such horrible things about Africa

>>280357088
humans aren't purely empathic beings because we're still beholden to the fact that individual gain in the moment generally outweighs good for the group, but in the case where an action wouldn't necessarily benefit us as much as the whole empathy kicks in and tells us to use that action for others. Demons however would never do that because they lack empathy and so could never form division of labors or the like.

>>280356908
Nothing in fantasy is and you know it.
Mimics and monsters don't make biological sence and are just there for humans to slay.
Having a medieval tier tecnology doesn't make sence when magic exist, but they still use it because it looks cool.
How the whole world is organized neither makes sence, and it's just so our protagonists can have their epic adventures.
As I said, if you need an autistic and detailed explanation of everything, you might stop reading fantasy.

>>280357206
what a boring approach to fantasy where nothing needs to make sense. I find it much much more interesting when my media explains the things they include into their world as if they make sense, but whatever go enjoy your slop.

>>280334696 (OP)
I like how Aura shows up for legitimately like five minutes as a one-off character yet her enduring legacy is getting told to off herself

>>280357135
You have some bizarre belief that altruism is a necessary component of cooperation and it's really not. All you need for a capitalist exchange to be rational is two people who are better than the other at different things.

>>280357270
but when one of those guys suffers and gets sick he will not be helped and everyone else will simply go on living on their own because they do not care for each other and they can benefit more in the immediate by stealing from him in his weakened state than nursing him to health, so for the individual in such a world it would always be more beneficial to rely only on yourself except in the most dire of circumstances where the alternative is worse.

We need to militarize the elves

>>280357234
No matter how detailed it appears to be, nothing in fantasy makes sence if you dig enough, that's why it's called fantasy.
But hey, if complaining about Tolkien orcs being le evil in a children’s fantasy story makes you feel smart, be my guess.

>>280357408
why the fuck are you engaging in a discussion about this shit if you think it's stupid? The irony is palpable. If we just wanna talk about it from a purely narrative perspective then a pure evil race is also shit writing because it's predictable, generic, and leaves nothing open to interpretation.

>>280357335
>so for the individual in such a world it would always be more beneficial to rely only on yourself except in the most dire of circumstances
That doesn't follow and even if it did it wouldn't be a contradiction. Maybe demons are individualists and only rarely meet up to make capitalist exchanges or hunt humans. Maybe demons live in utilitarian groups where each demon is only allowed to live if they are the most skilled at producing some good, meaning the group's access to the highest quality goods is dependent on preserving its members. Those are both plausible systems of organization which would benefit from the development of language, you just don't like them.

>>280357435
Fantasy manga in general is quite predicable, generic and follows the same formula. Most people read because it either has some epic fight moment or some waifu.
The fact you ask for such genre to be well written is quite ironical. It's just some slop to enjoy, nothing more, nothing less.

>>280357511
get the fuck out of here then you retard. Why would you INTENTIONALLY walk into a place you think is dumb just to get mad that it's dumb?

>>280357521
Nice projection.
I've never complained about it being dumb, I've complained about (You) complaining about some dumb issue while the whole manga is dumb.

>>280357588
I'm saying you're coming here... to this thread to discuss a fiction slop... to tell people that it's dumb to discuss fiction slop... are you slow perhaps?

>>280350792
I think if you look at Gobekli Tepe it's pretty clear that proto-civilization wasn't some Marxist materialist determinism but rather religious in nature.
The first super units of tribes, really nations in the original sense of the word, they're people coming together seasonally for ritualistic purposes. Shared culture was there first even before the agrarian revolution.

>>280357604
Try to change my words as you want, but I've just told you that your complains about the writing are dumb and are no different than complaining about how all isekai villages looking the same or having an adventurers' guild.

>>280334981
>It's just so fucking funny and sad how the alt right have co-opted this as to say "treat foreigners like Frieren treats demons"
They tried this too with Eren and got BTFO'd when the manga ended. It'll be the same once Frieren ends.

>>280334696 (OP)
Demons are people too.

>>280334981
Crying racism is a magic word that stops us from deporting you

>>280334696 (OP)
Everyone deserves a second chance

>>280357044
Demons pretend to be human and every interaction ends with humans dead, elves aren't human and it ends with humans dead but they secretly like them and dont straight up murder them

>>280334696 (OP)
Why did Frieren kill her when she could have turned Aura into a sex slave?
Was it all an illusion? Did Aura not actually have any power and she had to kill herself to not get busted for the fraud or something? Or did Frieren actually just waste her opportunity?

>>280334858
the demons and the elves in frieren, as well as the humans to some extent, are flouride people. I sincerely believe that maybe only the japanese can understand that slop.

Rather than evil or good, Frieren doesn't care about any of that. she just acknowledges that demons are locked in a battle to the death with humanity.

>>280334981
>foreigners
anon its not the foreigners.

>>280356282
demons naturally dont back stab one another because they can subconciously feel their fellow demons strength and they have this thing called pride. to them it makes no sense to back stab because they would be admitting they are weak to other demons. a lot of their behavior doesn't pass the smell test to be honest. they seem more like evil retards than evil demons. but ultimately the fact that they die and disappear instead of like a normal animal really gives the "xxx awareta" type DQ feel that I think the native isekai is going for on purpose.

>>280334981
>>/pol/
And seek help faggot

>>280356693
this is actually not true in frieren because many demons are actually major characters. For example Freezer is an evil shit bag, no explination is needed to explain why he is evil. however why is he after the dragon balls? why does he want them? what does he think about society and the world? all those things needed to get answered so that his defeat could be satisfying.

>>280348193
who is frieren doing that to?

>>280348240
Anon the other anon is correct. Human beings dont need to use logic to talk. we CAN but it's not a process. it's not from point A to logical confirmation to point B then speech. these processes can happen independently from one another or not at all.

>>280349057
other anon seems correct to me. LLMs do exhibit emergent behavior, however it's not so much caused by being good at cognition. a lot of the emergent behavior is visual spacial reasoning. this is why you can create an LLM and then suddenly it can produce art if hooked up correctly. More over, human cognition in the hippocampus is a lot like an LLM anyway. it's a 3 dimensional system that creates a pattern or network of data that represents some kind of thing, thought, object, person, idea, etc. The main lacking of LLMs is that it was never designed to be an agent. I think a lot of hype around AI safety makes no sense to me. For sure the glownogs know that LLM is just a piece of an agent and are busy at work creating the rest of it. maybe thats what the proposed nvidia plant is for.

>>280360003
You're either retarded or autistic. Probably both

>>280360164
>LOOK AT THIS SCIENCE
>NO DONT LOOK AT THAT OTHER SCIENCE THATS NOT ALLOWED YOU RETARD AUTISTIC LOSER BOTH!!!

>>280334981
Racist here, no one did this until the left began writing about how problematic the portrayal of demons is and began drawing real world parallels with non whites. stop being cringe retards and watch the fucking show without projecting your white man's burden onto everything.