How does /a/ feel about morally reprehensible protagonists? How do they stack up to more traditionally heroic characters?

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>>280355464 (OP)
>morally reprehensible
Rance is a hero of justice though. All his rape is righteous

>>280355464 (OP)
Both are good as long as they are fun.

>>280355578
He has never raped anyone because they all wanted it.

>>280355464 (OP)
Rance is legitimately more heroic than 90% of other male leads. He unites countries, ends wars, brings peace, and kills bad guys wherever he goes, and he does it with righteous conviction and badassery.

>>280355464 (OP)
They're fun. Or at least they can be.
I don't need to morally laud or even really empathize with a protagonist to enjoy them. In the end they just need to be entertaining and/or compelling.

>>280355464 (OP)
The thing with Rance is that he gets himself into situations where the best result could only be archived by a morally reprehensible man, mostly by accident.

>>280355464 (OP)
There are morally reprehensible and then there's just assholes

Everyone loves Kazuma, Utena, Kiritsugu, and Gintoki
Rance is not a good MC anymore. He is a remnant of the 80's culture where there's an actual culture of toxic masculinity. His market is purely nostalgia and brand but any clones of him no longer sells

>>280355464 (OP)
they're fun as long as their surroundings aren't equally fucked up to the last person. if every chara is super edgy it's just boring

>>280355866
Name a single thing he has done wrong.

>>280355979
Rape

>>280355989
He has never raped anyone because they all wanted it.

>>280355464 (OP)
The opening monologue of Gantz instantly sold me on the manga. I wish Kurono stayed a douche a little longer.

>>280355464 (OP)
>How do they stack up to more traditionally heroic characters?
They don't. Rance is created as an antitype of those traditional heroes of JRPG. The early Rance was a rapey wildman but as time goes by he becomes more measured and somewhat soft which makes him more relatable to you, but he's not a traditional epic hero for that exact reason. He is more like a reflection and embodiment of desire of modern males, not classic heroes who overcome Herculean ordeal.

For me it's the brown gate guard girl

>>280355866
you need to go back to >>>/lgbt/
nice bait tho

>>280357121
I call them id driven characters. Like Lupin or James Bond. They're aggressive characters that take what they want and kill people in their way, but without being full blown cackling and planning to blow up the world. They're usually not very destructive to the world or dangerous if you're just the average joe on the streets, but they're still counter to what we usually consider moral good.

Anyway
>evil protag
>selfish protag
>good protag
Equally likable depending on the work.
>hero that was once a nice guy but people were mean to him and stepped on his penis and called his pencil drawings gay so now he has to be a rapist
Writer should have hands boiled in lead.

>>280355464 (OP)
as with most of these kinds of questions it depends on the writer. Ichi the Killer is a story starring a morally reprehensible character that I think uses the concept well

The most morally irredeemable protag is rudeus from mushoku tensei and everyone forgets it.

>>280355464 (OP)
they are almost always superior because it takes effort to write a compelling one

>>280355866
> Kazuma, Utena, Kiritsugu, and Gintoki

Who?

>>280355866
Name a single clone from a recent title

>>280356846
Are you me? I saw myself in that little fucker and the way he behaved at the very beginning of the story is the part that sold the manga to me

>>280355578
This.
>>280355606
Most of the characters he raped tried to kill him and his friends. Rape is justice.

>>280355464 (OP)
>How do they stack up to more traditionally heroic characters?
How traditional do you mean? Because if we're talking about Greek heroes, Rance isn't so bad.

>>280361231
He raped lots of innocents what are you on about

>>280355464 (OP)
in japanese media they can be fun, but in manhwa I generally dislike them. they're really selfish and let others around them suffer

>>280362168
>manhwa
not sure why you're talking about this slop on /a/ - Anime & Manga

>>280355697
He's got a hard no loli and no incest stance, which makes him morally superior to most characters /a/ likes

>>280362282
more and more of it is getting adapted by japanese studios. I think we will see a lot more anime based on webtoons. there's a ORV adaptation in the works atm

>>280362404
lot's of western literature have also gotten adaptions chang, doesn't mean we talk about that here

>>280355866
You’re that Onimai faggot aren’t you.

>>280362463
as if there haven't been a ton of solo leveling threads and tbate

>>280355866
>toxic masculinity
faggot

>>280362561
That doesn't mean anything.

>>280362130
>He raped lots of innocents
Spoils of war aren't innocent. Girls need rape correction before choosing dangerous professions such as "adventure" (enjoy being raped, tortured and killed by monsters), soldier/guard etc (enjoy being raped, tortured and killed by demons or soldiers). Rance saves the girls from dark fates. The true hero.

>>280362603
very edgy

>>280357121
>>280355464 (OP)
>>280359800
Thing is with Rance is he’s honest to his intentions which makes him funny and likeable. A lot of animr protagonists hide behind this fake nice guy ‘ano… eto… *forced jap smile’, it’s dishonest and hypocritical

>>280362612
>edgy
Killing is edgy. Rape is just forced sex. Read the VN. The world of Rance isn't a good place. Women have no place in army.

>>280362612
Soldiers being disciplined not to rape captured women is uncommon and not actually normal.

>>280362716
Self report

Sill is best girl and only one who trully deserved Rance as a husband.

I kinda don't like people who rape, unless it's a woman then that's okay, but that's just my opinion

>>280362736
So true, sister. War is fun and cool. Can't wait to become strong independent guild-approved adventurer and slay a dragon.

>>280360087
What'd he do? Sleep with a 15 year old?

>>280362716
Seems shit to be a woman

>>280362889
I accept your concession random internet tough guy

>>280363039
Cheats on his pregnant wife.

>>280363039
he was an introvert at the beginning and they show him stripped to his underwear and strapped to a fence as punishment because he was caught trying to make videos of his niece when she was in the bath because he is a pedo.

>>280363139

>>280355464 (OP)
How does /a/ feel about female morally reprehensible protagonists?
Don't say rape.

I like protagonists that are good for the sake of goodness and fight evil.

>>280355464 (OP)
>morally reprehensible protagonists
Rance kills pedos on sight which makes him more morally righteous than 90% of protags

>>280357121
>mbodiment of desire of modern males, not classic heroes who overcome Herculean ordeal.
Created by a FEMALE remember that

>>280363454
Rance canonically fucks kids, even in the new canon

>>280363459
What's the significance of that revelation?

>>280363510
Sexy girls can be designed by sexy girls.

>>280363459
How the fuck did this get animated by a studio?

>>280363575
What about plain girls?

>>280363639
>plain
What about Sill?

>>280362668
Some of the most powerful people in Rance's world are women though. Weaklings should still git gud before going anywhere dangerous.

>>280355866
You need to go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of. You couldn't be more new

>>280363502

>>280363191
that was bad but his dad had just died and Roxy was trying to seduce him
he's more a flawed human being than an actual bad guy

>>280355464 (OP)
If they are truly morally reprehensible and not just misunderstandings/lack of info given to viewer they are great. I love a lawful good crusader as much as the next guy, but macchiavellian protags are superior, possibly the best.

>>280355464 (OP)
Everytime there is a MC who isn't a moralfag, he gets rewritten to be one 100 chapters later. It's so titresome.

>>280364359
Yes, people need a prtag who at least has a sliver of goodness in them

>>280364359
Desert Punk
Shamo

>>280355464 (OP)
They're fun

>>280355464 (OP)
Rance is pretty heroic and is morally consistent. He's the most traditional protagonist there is.

>>280363039
but he was 13 at the time, you see. that makes him a pedo!!!!!!1!1!1!1!

>>280363342
Holy self report
You didn't even watch the show

>>280355464 (OP)
I dream of being him everyday

>>280363342
>they show him stripped to his underwear and strapped to a fence as punishment
>because he was caught trying to make videos of his niece when she was in the bath
Have you no shame to just lie on the internet? I guess you didn't even read/watch MT in the first place kek
The strapped to a fence part is at school because he was bullied by his schoolmates, nothing to do with his niece case which happened when he was an adult neet skipping his parents funerals lmao... You mixed up two different things because you are a faggot who don't watch anime and listen to trannies on xitter instead of having your own opinion, kys now

>>280366619
mangaka added that to the canon with short stories online

>>280367155
yeah I haven't read the novelization but heard it was a thing. the niece thing wasn't in the manga or anime

>>280355464 (OP)
the future is now old man

>>280364747
>they're fun to play with~
fixed

>>280365509
I miss the super poofy hairs of the 80s and 90s.

>>280368284
>the niece thing wasn't in the manga or anime
Episode 2 of the first season. His relatives barge into his room for not attending his parents funerals and caught him masturbating to a spy cam video of his niece in the bath.
You didn't watch the anime, you are a fucking tourist and you should stop pretending

>>280369702
I watched it and dropped it during the school arc when they buy a dwarf girl slave

>>280355464 (OP)
Love my boy. I think there's a lot of specifics to Rance that makes his debauchery work.

>Consistent on his moral ground of "cute girls dying = bad", and the lengths he goes to avoid this. (Anything else is fair game).
>Gets knocked down a peg regularly, and has weird hang-ups like fear of commitment, being forced into a submissive position or of showing affection that get joked about.
>Often supported by a decent male cast for contrast as well, some more competent than him, others not.
>He's a comedic character in an otherwise often bleak fantasy world. Many of the games often make a point of having a lot of drama and death when he's not present or tied up elsewhere, so it's always a bit of a relief when he barges in with no fucks given and puts the world to rights.

I think it speaks of how, on top of personal charisma, a lot of what makes morally dubious characters interesting is how they're presented in the story's context.

>>280362556
He usually uses pictures of female characters, Non Non Biyori if not Onimai

>>280355464 (OP)
>How do they stack up to more traditionally heroic characters?
I read an extremely edgy manga recently that had a very fun twist on this towards the end. Pic related.

>>280362130
Only early Rance was a monster who raped girls and had them abort his kids. Later Rance merely skips the romance part and sticks it in at best reluctant girls.

>>280364184
You just know Sill and Shizuka were envious of Patty's youthful figure.

>>280359800
A big defining factor for Rance and characters like Lupin is the freedom they have. It's a big part of what makes them good, as they usually aren't held back by things that would stop them from pursuing what they want. Its fun to see them barrel through problems and annoyances that would stop average or morally good protagonists. It gives them a sort of decisiveness that gives them control over the way the story advances.

>>280372325
One girl Rance fucked in his youth had an abortion on her own and Rance was put off by it enough to make a point of using contraception moving forward.

>>280355866
>He is a remnant of the 80's culture where there's an actual culture of toxic masculinity
The problem with that notion is that Rance is built on the concept of the "hero" being a piece of shit. He was never made to be idolized or looked up to.

>>280362603
>Spoils of war aren't innocent.
Let's not pretend those are even the usual victim of Rance's serial raping. Rance VI begins with Rance seeing a woman, chasing her down and then raping her while she was on the job like he was.

>>280371263
I'm currently going through the series, I beat Rance's 01/02/03, IV, 5D and now I'm on VI (at the very early stages, just escaped the slave camp). Rance seems to slowly become a bit more humanized as time goes by, not "good", just humanized. Still a vile rapist but seems to be more "reasonable". I imagine Rance prior to VI would be freaking out more about having to be stuck with a bunch of men but he's at least able to adapt to the situation here better. In 5D you see more of that side of him where he clearly favourites Sill. When she's trapped he even wants Athena 2.0 to stay with her so she's not lonely. Rance is Yin and Sill is his Yang. By all means with the rest of Rance's character you wouldn't expect him to act that way when it comes to Sill especially with the rest of their relationship. They really are a perfect yin and yang.

Rance is cute desu

>>280375068
There's a dev diary where one of the writers says that after making Rance an asshole so he would work better as an eroge protagonist, they decided to add Sill as a kind magician to act as his conscious. Then they decided to make her a slave, though she's basically is wife.

>>280355464 (OP)
I think another thing that's important with protags like these beyond being entertaining is the feeling that there's some comeuppance in one form or another. Having everything go their way can get stale when the purpose of their abrasive personalities should be to provoke conflict.

>>280360087
A lot of MTfans act like Rudy isn't scum for some reason. It's not even them trolling, they're dead serious about it.

>>280378497
i love mt but rudy is a piece of shit. what's refreshing about it is that unlike in 3deep5u slop, never is he portrayed as a paragon of morality, the author knows he's a shithead and never pretends otherwise. he's flawed, and that makes him interesting

>>280371263
For me, what makes it work is that he is extremely sincere about what he is about and the games roll with both the good and the bad aspects about him. A lot of people in the games often talk shit about him (and for a damn good reason most of the time), but when shit hits the fan, he's one of the most reliable people in the entire setting because he actually gets shit done regardless of whatever and whomever he's up against and doesn't compromise like a regular moralfag would have in the face of a morally ambiguous situation.

>>280364359

The protagonist of The Strongest Hero who longs for revenge is still just as fucked up 100+ chapters later, not sure if it will change but it doesn’t look like it

>>280382508
Raol being a monster is still downplayed by fucking everyone in the story, from random peasants to the fucking gods being bigger monsters than him.

>>280355866
>toxic masculinity
I bet you couldn't even define this, you'd end up stuttering and admitting it means (white) men are toxic.

Actual male culture never justified or tolerated rape (outside of war), that is for the brownoids that the people who LOVE this term never ever ever criticize, who have actual DV & rapes under their belt.

>>280357121
>not classic heroes who overcome Herculean ordeal
Actually he's exactly like a classic greek hero

>>280375068
Playing III before 03 made me realize how different modern rance is compared to the old one.

>>280362612
it's just realistic.
similarly horrific fates await male adventurers and soldiers. they might (and only might) not get dicked down, but they will be dismembered and killed the moment their luck runs out. life is hard.

>>280382674
As if you guys don't remember the time when every men were pressured to look like Arnold Lynchthenigger. Roids and coke were everywhere and to this day, boomers think that it is a manly accomplishment that they never helped around the house

>>280382843
There's a hard split from Kichikuou and 5D where Rance noticeably is softened-up/matured as a character.

>>280362168
there's definitely a different feel for every culture. korea and china are so much more brutal than japan. their stories are oppressive and sadists seem to make up the majority of the human population.

>>280383020
He gets even softer during Sengoku and after. You noticed that particularly with how he treats other men.

>>280355866
>>280355866
Reminder that Utena fucked a South Asian Indian man from Punjab.

>>280382843
03 added that whole part where the Return Demon's make scenarios for Rance to fuck Kanami because they thought him just lending Kanami to them was an out of character moment for him.
>>280383109
It's not entirely that he's softened, he's still just as cruel as before. 5D included that whole part with Feliss begging to be let go because she's on her demon period and Rance rapes and molests her as she gets smaller even though she's getting more and more exhausted. You see more human parts of him than you do before but that's not the same as making him soft.

>>280363459
It's a man you fools. The tits are clearly fake doll parts

>>280384252
Not only that. In III he just straight up rapes Rola totally unprovoked and at the end she tells him that the furball was better at sex than him. He also kills the weapon shop guy when he was trying to apologize.
In the remake Rola is a rapeable brat who pushes Rance to the limit of his patience. And of course she loses to the cock. Weapon shop is more of the same, they make him an asshole who provokes Rance and is a creep with his daughter. The focus changes from Rance killing him to Kanami stabbing his corpse. There are a bunch of details like those.

He's definitely not as cruel as before. In Sengoku he punches and kicks a lot of dudes for petty reasons when in the past he would just kill them on the spot. He now has a bit of a soft spot for kids while in 4.2 he killed one with a stone. He had a lot of humanizing moments in the past too with Sill and the doll girl.

>>280384659
>while in 4.2 he killed one with a stone
To be fair, those kids were assholes and kicked down his sand castle.

>>280363765
Sexo

>>280355866
>culture of toxic masculinity
Faggot.

He's not morally bad, he just loves sex

>>280384659
>In III he just straight up rapes Rola totally unprovoked and
He did this in 03. She didn't push his patience so much to decide to do it because he had already planned it.
>Weapon shop is more of the same, they make him an asshole who provokes Rance and is a creep with his daughter.
This is the exact same in 03. The implication of the fathers abuse in the H scene is intact. The only difference is Kanami attacking his corpse. His anger at Rance (outside of his own being a creep) was justified because Rance raped his daughter so he wasn't just "being an asshole" from the players view until later.

>>280355464 (OP)
It's far more realistic. When you're a hero beating bad guys left and right it's only natural you get to rape and pillage them some too.

>>280384659
>He now has a bit of a soft spot for kids while in 4.2 he killed one with a stone.
He didn't kill a kid there. That's just offscreen slapstick antics at best. 03 had him jam a propeller into a random kids skull, use him as a fake Woo-kun to bribe Rola and then when Rola was asked what she'd do if he was a fake, Rance left him to his fate. The schmuck probably got his dick shredded.

>>280388099
That's completely delusional. Rance didn't intend to rape her in that scene in 03. Whatever he would end up doing so it's irrelevant because the point is that the game tries to paint him in a more positive light by making Rola extremely annoying to the point he loses his patience. And then they paint him in a more positive light during the sex scene with her losing to the cock.
>This is the exact same in 03
I was talking about 03. In III he is more apologetic and less aggressive towards Rance, plus a he wasn't a creep.
I'm not going to repeat my post a third time, play the games.

>>280355464 (OP)
Rance did nothing morally wrong, love is just

>>280388288
I sped through 03 just to see if I was right about Lola. Yes, you were correct that Rance is more "provoked" in 03 but let's not pretend she was being annoying and not rightfully outraged at Rance. He never needed justification for anything he did anyway.

>>280364747
Onore...

>>280387097
Yes

Rance mellowing down and the H-scene keep getting longer and longer in the later game makes sense when you realize the oldhead female scenario writer left the company after Sengoku.

>>280355866
>He is a remnant of the 80's culture where there's an actual culture of toxic masculinity.
Which is a good thing and probably why people still spam him to this day, instead of the cuckfest safe slop that ESG and high finance shoves down your throat.

>>280390181
Why are females in the japanese h-industry somehow more perverted than the males most of the time?
It's like the complete inverse of the western porn industry, other than coked up porn actresses of course.

>>280390226
I don't know about being more perverted, but they definitely have a very different perspective. I found works by female H-mangaka like the Maid Education series or Pochi's self-insert /ss/ fantasy very interesting, not something you see from male writers.

>>280390075
If women would just walk around like that, there would be no war.

>>280375068
>Rance is Yin and Sill is his Yang.
You mean the other way around.

>>280355464 (OP)
I dunno but Rance sucks. There is something deeply female brained about the logic and values of that series that disgust me.

>>280390889
This retroactively becomes a factual statement due to X's Part 2.

>>280390226
They get better feedback and grow as artists very quickly.

>>280390226
Because women are extremely repressed. A woman is highly discouraged to show her sexual interests the same way a man would be fine to do. In an H game like Rance they're allowed to let loose.

>>280390851
No I got it right the first time. Yin is darkness while yang is light.

>>280355866
>Kazuma
>morally reprehensible
I stopped watching konosuba because he was a standard pussy good boy mc just with a bit of foul mouth added

>>280391483
Rance is the hero of justice. Sill always holds him back, she is the opposite of hero and justice.

>>280391747
>Rance is weak to light
>Sill is weak to darkness
Rance is deep. Balls deep, in your waifu!

>>280364747

>>280364747
Did we have a thread about the movie already?

>>280362603
He rapes random girls on the street (well out in the woods).

>>280355464 (OP)
I hate faggots who obsess over sex and women

>>280393182
They tempted him, he had no choice.

>>280362168
Like the second dude said, Koreans are way more spiteful.

>>280363502
Based

>>280363502
He tries not to (most of the time)

>>280363502
>>280394043
Patty might have been 13 when Rance fucked her, but she has an old lady daily routine and owns a shop. Rance didn't even pop a half-chub when he bathed Kou.

>>280371414
They all have that smug face

>>280394254
Patty was 16.

>>280394396
Huh. Maybe I was thinking about Mill.

>>280394439
Mill was 10 but she had an aged up body and Rance didn't know and was traumatized by it.

>>280393860

>>280355464 (OP)
We talking jobless reincarnation?

>>280355866
Just shit-talking girls is not enough. If Kazuma wants to be labeled as BASED, he'll have to actually punch girls.
https://youtu.be/X3cd9dLKF_A

>>280355464 (OP)
A great media should have a good balance of everything including non-pushover types that do what they want. And that doesn't necessarily make them evil.

>>280355866
>muh toxic masculinity
just say you're a woman or troon, anon

>>280395271
>woman
Nah, women love Rance, especially Rance x Sill.

>>280394643
kek

>>280355464 (OP)
Gintoki and Rudeus are both based. As much as I like plain old good and righteousness, I love them more than traditionally heroic MCs. Simply cause they're the type that can feel humane while being a hero at the same time.

>>280383020
>hard split from Kichikuou and 5D
I hated him in 5D because of the way he treated the youkai girl with the long neck
He may be more brutal in Kichikuou but his motives there are way more understandable. Plus he only snaps if Sill is killed, otherwise he is pretty goofy and chill there

>>280395393
>No real dissatisfaction
>Was ready to start fucking Sill for thousands of years straight on the spot
Is this Rance's way of showing he loves someone?

>>280395898
Reminder that youkai literally have no soul.

>>280395898
It was super cruel but how is it any worse than anything else he's done? Like fucking the exhausted and begging Feliss in the same game?

>>280396453
Even more proofs that he is way worse in 5D than in KR
KR is actually the game that made me genuinely like him as a character

>>280384659
Rance only treats female kids nicely, even in Sengoku he kills the rape brats. Even in 9 he insults Rick for not being able to kill a kid. So far the only male kids he treats nicely are his own kids, and even that's debatable considering how he treats Dark Rance, though at least he doesn't strait up kill him.

>>280397362
>though at least he doesn't strait up kill him.
Lord knows he's tried, that brat is harder to kill then Rasputin

>>280397362
He was nice with the kids in Ice Flame. He has no qualm with killing kids as long as they do things he is against, and they don't have the potential to grow up to be cute girls. If Mirvena's brother instead were an ugly sister, he would have killed her all the same.

>>280397510
The scene in Magnum where Rance and Dark Rance reconcile, only for Rance to kick him off the 35th floor, was probably the hardest a game made me laugh in a long time.

>>280397362
Those kids absolutely fucking deserved it and worse.

Bump for Rance and Sill.

The OVA opening is a banger.
https://youtu.be/C38a8LA360Q

>>280394643
saved

>>280400486
The OVA was so funny

>>280403116
One of my favourite scenes. Stupid evil queen needed correcting.

>>280357121
>>280355464 (OP)
is he a manlet?

>>280403249
I liked how they added a statue of a golden iguana in the background of Lia's room

>>280403265
Yes, Rance is only 175 cm and 65 kg. For some reason, he is one of the smallest top tier swordsmen in his world, despite his fighting style relying on his tardstrength.

>>280403116
Lia is worst girl. Seriously she starts several conflicts all on her own. Never got better. She even gives Rance the thumbs up when he's raping the maid and the same goes for that bitch Maris. Horrible people all around.

>>280403470
Lia is why Leazas is the richest country in the world while Helmanian eat water soup and Zethjeets like you shit on the street.

>>280404332
Lia isn't the reason for any of that. It was like that before she was born.

>>280355464 (OP)
They're often pretty entertaining to see.

Rance is what happens when you want to write a picaresque character without having to worry about being burned by the church. Unfortunately this can't be done nowadays now that we have a new "church"

>>280355464 (OP)
If you like rapist so much then why don't you join them in hell?

>>280397362
In VI he initially tried to treat Dark Rance somewhat decently and was even impressed by how tough the kid was. But he eventually got sick of his vengeance stuff and kicked him to the curb (literally)

>>280406737
Jokes on you, this site is hell.

>>280407437
You didn't have to remind me

>>280406737
Funnily enough Rance implicitly goes to Heaven after a long, fulfilling and happy life surrounded by loved ones. Something I won't experience.

>>280407612
Same here

>>280403470
Well yes, Lia is a genuinely awful person and Rance existing is the only thing keeping her in check.

Is the thread autosaged?

>>280406737
I like Rance but I do not try to justify his actions. That'd just be stupid.

>>280409406
Though it is pretty funny

>Feliss
Wait for X translation.
>70% of time Rance has "tired face" sprite in X

>>280410923
Rance is getting sick of everybody's shit

>>280355464 (OP)


I just realized Kazuma is supposed to be inspired from Rance, the dude that goes around raping people.

>>280411695
You only just realized this now?

>>280411695
Rance is an old and prolific eroge, his influence can be felt everywhere

>>280362365

That automatically makes him better than 90% of PEOPLE on /a/ in terms of morals period

>>280362365
>hard no loli
Soft no loli, he breaks that rule many times

>>280411695
They're but lazy and greedy

>>280411885
and incest in X

>>280411746
I really hope Vanir gets featured more in future seasons.

>>280403470
Eh, I kinda like the dynamic she has going on with Rance. She likes the awful parts of him and knows it.

>>280397362
Dark Rance tries to kill him on multiple occasions, so he has a decent reason to treat him more roughly than his later kids.

>>280403470
Its not justified, but its at least understandable why Lia ended up that way. At the very least, you have to admit she is a very competent ruler with Maris assisting.

>>280410923
Being the supreme ruler of the world isn't as fun as it sounds.

>>280411789
What magazine was it that had to split their popularity poll into male and female because Rance kept beating all the eroge heroines?

>>280413304
>>280413441
It's not that I think she's a bad character. She's just not very likeable. I enjoyed whenever Rance would point out Kanami's being complicit in Lia's atrocities but Kanami is still loyal to her anyway.

>>280413996
Isn't it an actual ninja code Kanami abides by that you have to obey your master no matter?

>>280414066
Shes technically a runaway ninja and would have been put to death under the same code had Rance not saved her.

>>280414156
Special needs ninja

SillGODS rule these threads

Japan doesn’t do moral ambiguity in protagonists outside of porn. Even in porn like Rance the rape victims all like it, it’s not as if he’d ever cause anyone actual distress. Outside of porn not even the APPEARANCE of low morals is permitted; the protagonist is always good, always makes the right moral choices and NEVER does anything edgy. The phenomena of moral cover in which the protagonist is given moral justification for every action they take is the law.

>>280415374
Basically, the worst you'll get is a slightly misguided anti-hero who still has strong principles.

>>280362797
Never played these, but I like her poofy hair.

>>280415678
Her poofy hair is very nice

>>280374818
>Rance VI begins with Rance seeing a woman, chasing her down and then raping her while she was on the job like he was.
Best example of heroic rape. Venturing into dungeons alone is DANGEROUS. She got lucky it was just a Rance and not some monsters or group of bandits. She wasn't even strong enough to repel green dude with sword.

>>280416001
Rance is stronger than any monster or bandit.

>>280416100
Rance's level matters desu.

Why do I find Rance (even if he is a crazy pieces of shit) more relatable than fags like the Solo leveling or Shadow eminence MCs?

>>280416251
Nope. He's always the strongest.

Threads like this make me feel like /v/'s culture is gradually slipping into /a/, the culture of just saying the most wrong and retarded shit just to piss everyone off.

I know what you're thinking:
>gradually

>/v/ culture
>Rance

Ninbros...

>>280416285
Never watched Eminence, but the SL is just too much of a coldsteel OC for me. Nothing to him besides being strong as fuck and making his enemies shit themselves. At least Rance is the butt of the joke and gets shit on here and there.

>>280416332
But Rance games sometimes try to explain why Rance is weaker than before the endgame of previous game. Otherwise he would solo Kabachahn and any Dark Lord first try. He wouldn't die to powerleveling Arios in duel. He wouldn't fear Rick.

>>280415959

>>280416417
/v/ hates rance tho, also anything on the PC-98 or anything by Alicesoft.
/a/ is gradually becoming that, too.

>>280416779
Would doesn't she use these powers in the games?

>>280416623
He's a "bug" in the Planner Scenario in that he has no level cap. He gains levels fast and loses them fast when he's inactive, which he is between most games. Sengoku has him at probably his highest starting level because it takes place almost immediately after VI.

>>280355464 (OP)
Only really like em when they're funny. The edgy ones can be entertaining at first but quickly overstay their welcome.

>>280362603
>rapes random schoolgirls on a trip to the bank in VI
>rapes random daughters of a nipponese nobleman in Kyoto
It's true that a lot of the time his rape feels "earned" or "justified", but in some games he's justr straight up an evil bitch.

>>280383020
He's awful to almost everyone in VI, the softening starts in Sengoku IMO

>>280355565
this

>>280395898
They went all out during 5D, including Sill's part
Except it's completely opposite direction when it involves with Sill
Also the Yokai doesn't die, not that Rance knows it tho

>>280383020
>>280418158
VI had a cute moment where
Rance refuses to join the reisistance army against the monster army just because his team didn't say they needed him

>>280355464 (OP)
What happens if the protagonist does really bad things in the past, like rape, prostitution, and mutilation, but loses his memory and becomes a good guy?
still counts as reprehensible protagonist?

>>280355464 (OP)
I'm so disappointed with this thread. Not one single person brought up Elaina.

>>280355866

You do realize Kazuma is a clone of Rance that doesn't rape, right?

>>280411746

Kazuma is an absolute DOG in the LN, they actually tone him down from the show.

>>280411789

I've always meant to play it but never got around to it, are the originals still worth playing?

>>280412075

and pervy.

>>280419899
I guess people finally got tired of seething of her. Her worst crime is the show in general being boring.

>>280419899
Because she doesn't actively do anything, she just sits by and doesn't help as things fall to shit around her.

>>280355866
>unironically thinks toxic masculinity is a thing
get the fuck out

>>280420454
Go live in the 90s where everyone's having roid rage

>>280406737
>rape
>bad

>>280382843
They made him goofy after KR. And by Sengoku his personality was fully warped into a more comedic one. Old school Rance just a stone cold psycho, didn't even have any smiling sprites, just evil laugh ones.

>>280421478
He's funny in VI

>>280421478
The Kichikuou sprite is literally a smile. Besides he was plenty goofy in older games, stupider too. Charging Noce through the bridge in III is still one of the stupidest things he's ever done.

>>280362365
He fucks a ton of Loli and even a 14 year old at some point.
His rules are he fucks what makes him hard.

>>280403470

All this anger over roids makes me feel like I'm on /fit/

>>280415374
Not true at all about Rance. He's just straight up evil.

>>280421478
>pre-2006
Teen angst
>post-2006
Teen angst phase over

>>280414066
She is still loyal to Lia (as a friend) even in X, after she lost her job as Lia's ninja. Kanami is just a big pushover.

>>280422300
>after she lost her job as Lia's ninja
Damn, Konami really is a failure.

>>280421744
Rance is a goofy little shit from the first game.

>>280355464 (OP)
Bad heroes are fun. Fuck moral high ground; if your opponent stops breathing first, it's a win.

>>280421912
Bah, he is a chaotic neutral villain. Rance disregards laws and order to do whatever he wants because he is a free (horny) spirit. But he doesn't actively aim to destroy them because he likes to cause misery to others. Rance is a big softie when something bad happens to others and it doesn't involve making him feel good.

>>280422692
Rance does not give a fuck about bad things happening to others unless it's specifically to a cute girl he could've fucked.

Who is Orion working for nowadays? His art for Rance was great, especially in the later games he worked on.

>>280422809
That's the implication, Rance wouldn't even look in a man's direction no matter what happened. If Rance really is evil he wouldn't have even cared, let alone stormed a child prostitute ring.

>>280422958
I wouldn't say he's outright evil in most games (not the anon you were talking to first) but not liking pedophilia isn't exactly a high moral standard. It's just one of his personal principles that he sticks to but he's mostly pretty amoral and extremely id-driven.

>>280406737
Enjoy your dogshit CCI remake, ahahahaha

>>280422692
>But he doesn't actively aim to destroy them because he likes to cause misery to others.
But he very frequently does exactly that.

>>280423031
>but not liking pedophilia isn't exactly a high moral standard
It isn't a moral thing, it's that he still cares for others on a personal level even with his warped standards. Same with saving the Helman villages in IX, he could have just nap a girl to rape and ignore the rest to die to monsters instead of saving everyone for a reward. Whenever his softie side comes out, Rance goes out of his way to do a lot of unnecessary things for gain that he could have easily gotten if he just went full evil bandit mode.

>>280423340
In IX he's basically a different person already. In VI he was cool with letting all of Zeth be murdered by demons if he didn't get to fuck Magic in exchange for saving them (from an invasion he caused btw)

>>280423396
You just don't get it. The only way Zeth's caste issue could be solved and for a national reform to be implemented was Rance's way. Zeth should have renamed their capital to Rance Super King to immortalize their national hero.

>>280422865
2000 > all

>>280424085
Think this one was Min Naraken, for comparison.

>>280422865
Still an Alicesoft employee and only works exclusively for them based on his pinned tweet.

>>280424219
Is Min with the company still?

>>280425604
I think he went freelance.

>>280425826
I guess I don't blame him. Alicesoft doesn't do much of anything these days.

>>280363459
I love how the Rignetta-san dev made her circle name I'm the cutest in the world.

>>280421912
That’s like saying the Ugly Bastard in a mind break porn is “straight up evil”. In the narrow definition without context yes he’s evil because he forces himself on women. In context of the porn genre, however, the women always love it and end up being happy so the Ugly Bastard isn’t actually evil. That’s Rance. He’s living in the reality of a porn game and acting out the desires of the player, and because he’s subbing in for the players’ desires he’ll never actually cause anyone serious harm and they’ll always like it. He’s a proper hero, he just needs to satisfy the lust requirement being in a porn game world. That’s also why humor is such a major component of the world, to take any edge off of Rance’s porn-morality.

>>280426346
The rapes are the least of Rance's issues. He is evil even if you give him the pass on that.

And you don't need to get defensive because I enjoy that about him.

>>280426346
>the women always love it and end up being happy
Objectively wrong. Putting aside randoms like Shitomone or even Anasel, look at Feliss or even Pastel. Even if they can still appreciate whenever Rance does something good, they never stop loathing and resenting him for the rapes.

>>280426923
I feel like I'm one of the few people that enjoy Pastel. I like girls who give Rance a fight and don't submit to her easily.

>>280427775
You mean submit to him?

>>280355464 (OP)
I have never played any of his games. Where to begin? There's like 50 of them.

>>280427959
Sengoku Rance is the best one. Otherwise just do them numerically.

>>280427830
Yeaaaah. I'm tired bro.

>>280427775
Pastel is really fucking hilarious because of how much of a seething girlfailure she is. But beyond that, I do sympathize with her burning hatred for Rance. Both Feliss and Pastel have a damn good reason for hating him, so it's nice to see them not putting up with his bullshit.
I also find it extremely funny how her entire extended family pretty much approves of Rance, much to her dismay.

>>280428180
Yes, exactly. She's a complete woman child that's not even fit to be a queen and I love it.

>>280426402
As I said, porn-morality. He doesn’t ignore the village being attacked by monsters because he’s evil, it’s because there has to be a porn reason for him to do anything. The comedy is there to take the edge of that behavior.

>>280428285
The porn has nothing to do with it. Some of his worst moments are completely unrelated to sex.

>>280427959
I like Sengoku because it's essentially a stand-alone condensed Rance experience. You can start from the beginning with the remakes if you plan to go all the way though.

>>280355464 (OP)
Rance is your typical Classic Greek hero though

>>280427959
Sengoku used to be the recommendation because there were barely any games translated and being the first one to get a tl Sengoku was the one people knew the best. If you want to actually get into the series start with 01(the remake of I) and go from there. Feel free to play the older games if you'd like, but I-III have been de-canonized. Kichikuou Rance is an absolute must, you really ought to play that after finishing Rance 4.2, before moving on to 5D

>>280427959
Right now you can start from 01, play 02 with guide or watch it on youtube (02 is old remake) and then hit 03 (real big main plot buisness)
Or start with VI. VI was designed for the new people and it's one of the best story-heavy Rance games.
I don't think starting from Sengoku is good idea now. It can turn you into "SRfag" who doesn't really like Rance but 4x gameplay only. VI makes you like Rance as whole. It was also designed for people who hate old dungeon crawlers. I heard TADA made free patch for VI in 2023 because he didn't like the balance. Never tried it

Where can I download sabaku no guardian in decent quality with english subs? Nyaa gives me nothing

>>280428939
Hey I have that

>>280428801
>Sengoku used to be the recommendation because
it's the best game in the series by a long shot, with only kichikuou coming anywhere near

>>280355464 (OP)
Is it painful to be grabbed by the boob like that and shaken

>>280355866
Dumb nigger
Kazuma is literally Rance without the balls

>>280429094
beyond based
I wanted to buy the 35th anniversary but I already had most of physicals included in the edition

>>280420009
>>280420062
>>280429284
>Rance is like Kazuma!
These zoomers are trying so hard that it makes me smirk

>>280429433
they're both green, basically the same character

>>280427775
Most of the girls either don't care for or hate Rance or at least take very long to finally fall for him (useless ninja and Shizuka), if you look at all the girls he has ever interacted with.

>>280429195
Kichi > X > Sengoku but they're all very close

>>280429433
>>280429460
Konosuba literally explicitly references the Kalar from Rance

>>280429633
it also refers to the color green from rance, so kazuma is literally rance

>>280429094

>>280429094

>>280415149
Stfu and go back to your shoujo threads.

>>280428311
Maybe in terms of scale he has done way worse things unrelated to sex like sending poisoned food for disaster relief or burning down Pencilcow. But stealing other guys' girls has always been the type of scheme Rance put the most personal effort into.

>>280391976
Yes, weeks back

>>280355866
this is some 10/10 bait

>>280415117
>love
>gay phoenix

>>280430742
The chicken loves Rance, not the other way around. You think Teru is a sperm bank to Rance? Although the list is still shit because Menado loves Rance.

>>280430742
>>280430789
Gigai is still the most hilarious thing to come out of Sengoku. An alicesoft brand booty warrior.

>>280355464 (OP)
>How does /a/ feel about morally reprehensible protagonists?
it's fiction, if it makes for a fun or interesting story why would anyone have a problem with it?

>>280424221
Seeing her outfit in full makes me feel dumb for not realizing it's just a dark cape slung over her normal attire.

>>280406737
man this pic is ancient

>>280431268
Anon you can clearly see her school outfit in her Sengoku sprite. Kentarou's Majin getup is also just a pimp coat over his regular attire.

>>280431541

>>280423396
Rance wouldn't have given a shit about Helman either if he wasn't promised princess pussy.

>>280423396
>VI he was cool with letting all of Zeth be murdered by demons
But he just wanted attention.

>>280355464 (OP)
>morally reprehensible protagonists?
85% of them are just power fantasies for the homosexual author or his loser audience, however they're amazing when done right.
the most two common problems i see authors fall into when writing "gray/evil protagonists" is that they're either 1) completely absolved of any wrongs they do to an absurd degree and or 2) them being evil is retarded and unjustified, they're asshole just because
>>280355866
>giyu post is a good post
nice.

The idea that Rance is 'toned down' in the new canon is pretty funny
He's a little more palatable but he is still a monster by all standards

>>280363459
This is a man you fucking retard. It's a literal silicone breast plate, a boob sleeve. Hint Asian men are tiny and feminine so it looks like real tits but they are not. High quality photos have leaked and the color of the neck and the boob sleeve is like 5 tones different

>>280362168
Cause Korean men are literal shrimp penised psychopaths who hate women (for a good reason), they want to kill and Rape in real life too

>>280421777
14 is not loli it's hebe. Loli is till 11-12 max

>>280421777
>even a 14 year old
Never happened

Cat Ninja best girl

>>280428801
>Kichikuou Rance is an absolute must
Why? I played 5D after that and am on VI now.

>>280432090
yuh-huh

>>280429433
I'm probably twice older than you kid

>>280431969
Rance is less brutal and mean since VI doesn't mean he stops being a villain, he is just less of an asshole.
Rance in X still do criminal shits when he has the chances but he is much gentler and caring. Old Rance wouldn't have tried to reconcile with Feliss or stayed with Warg until she stopped crying, he would have just run away.

>>280432203
Not 14

>>280432649
Probably younger actually

>>280431969
Both things can be true you know

>>280421478
>They made him goofy after KR
He gets mad at the sun in III it wakes him up

>>280394254
She fucks Kou at the start of X

>>280433198
She is in his strike range in X.

>>280394254
I think one of the funniest scenes in Quest is when Mills tries to seduce him again and for some reason his dick reacts so he goes "It can't be helped" and plows her into oblivion
She's like 14 at that point

Never mind the fact that he says he had to consciously try to keep it in his pants when Karma, a 12 year old, tried to seduce him in VI

>>280431683
Incorrect, his main goal in going there was always saving Sill as much as he might hide it. Also Helman wasn't under imminent threat of demon invasion and its problems weren't directly caused by Rance.

>ENTER

>>280432868
Rance says as much about Patty in 03. He says people are too young if he thinks they look too young.

>>280433490
>She's like 14 at that point
15

>>280355464 (OP)
I'm fine with them, what I don't like is when people pretend they're cool because they act like destructive sociopaths, or when the plot bends over backwards to pretend that they're good people.

>>280429094
never really played eroge, but got that and drapeko on my recent trip to japan
currently playing through the latter very slowly (due to my weak japanese)

>>280355464 (OP)
>How does /a/ feel about morally reprehensible protagonists?
I liked them when I was younger. But as I've gotten older I have had a change of heart.

>>280434960
>when the plot bends over backwards to pretend that they're good people.
That's just all the historical figures and important people

>>280428261
How do the Kalar survive with a womanchild like Pastel as the queen?

>>280437086
Aegis, Sakura, Akashiro and other Kalars are competent at their jobs. Pastel kinda almost led the village to destruction (and the entire Kalar race to extinction) twice, if not for Rance.

>>280437086
They have her daughter tardwrangling her 24/7 so that she doesn't do something astronomically retarded that could end up destroying their village (again)
Pastel will forever be remembered as that one queen that gave birth to the Kalar God Empress Reset

>>280438118
Pinkfags worship this cuckquaen btw

>>280437086
Isn't she pretty normal when not in the presence of the green man?

>>280438796
She spills her spaghetti at all major crises, she is just terrible as a leader. Her response to the village getting raided by the most insane Demon Lord in history, is to stand her ground. After greenman comes and force a total evacuation they swing by to pick up the former queens and they are already waiting for the evacuation, because you have to be retarded to fight DL without a way to harm them.

>>280431969
No, it's just a simple observation.

>>280434049
Kino manga

>>280429633
Where?

>>280355464 (OP)

>>280429195
>>280429605
I wish Kichikuou had gameplay. Sengoku was a good game on top of the porn.

>>280443240
Does Kichikuo not have gameplay? Really?

>>280443669
It has gameplay, just more barebones compared to Sengoku or the Dai series. The dungeons crawl in KR are just autobattles, and army battles have less tactical depth with fewer types of units, actions and interactions. On a strategic scale it's also simpler since there aren't multiple territories in one city like in Sengoku.

>>280432090
He fucks mill when she is 14 in Quest.
He also tries to groom every cute girls that are too young for him.

>>280444163
Lansu is /biz/

>>280382981
>As if you guys don't remember the time when every men were pressured to look like Arnold Lynchthenigger.
You mean Now? Male body dysphoria has been rising since the 80's and steroid use has risen several times over.
Feminism has destroyed male culture is ways that will have ripple effects for centuries to come.

>>280444527
That guy you're responding to is either baiting or just straight up retarded. No point in giving him serious responses.

>>280443669
It is literally just Sengoku but with simpler gameplay and way better story (because it actually covers the plot of Rance 6-10)

>>280443669
It throws a fair bit of curveballs at you which is hard to get past without wiki help.

>>280433490
>Keeps himself from fucking a little girl because he knows it's wrong
Sounds like a hero to me

>>280363502
He not just rapes her.
He also drowns her at the same time.

He is so powerful, even lolcalizers can't censor him.

>>280446895
Dunno how you are even supposed to get good ending without the wiki
The angels would just butt rape you
You would also miss on tons of recruitable characters

>>280412078
He doesn't do any incest in X, what the fuck are you talking about

>>280432194
It was made as a hail Mary when the company was about to go under, they threw in every idea the had for the series, and it was a massive success. Its a great game in its own right, but its also really cool seeing the prototypes for a lot of future characters and plot points.

>>280428937
Yes, Tada, in his retirement, released a patch 20 years after the game was originally released because he was replaying it and thought the difficulty/grinding was bullshit.

>>280448762
You can't even call it guess work, you legitimately know some cosmic knowledge for some of this stuff

>>280449668
The biggest thing it cuts down on is the orb grind
My fuck is there a lot of running around the forest collecting orbs in the end game

>>280449724
I know, I 100%'d 6 when the TL first came out. The grind to fight Abert was fucking mindnumbing.

>>280449056
Probably Shizuka who is technically her and his own child.

>>280444527
That's not toxic masculinity
That's absence of masculinity

>>280450105
True

>>280449802
30% of the playtime for 6 is just the posy game grind

>>280452073
*post

>>280449604
She has a pretty nice chest for a kid, ngl.

>>280435346
I'm opposite with you
I hate them so much when I was younger, Rance changed me
I still hate most of them but I accept some exception

>>280453324
I remember coming across the 01 OVA when I was a little shit and was put off by Rance at first. But I eventually came around to loving him when I played the games.

>>280448127
It's okay, because this guy wasn't actually gay.

>>280449056
Both Shizuka and Nagi are his children.

>>280447859
*Gives her swimming lessons
Hero, of course.

>>280449828
>>280456331
This plotline sounds absurd. And from what I understand, it's one of those situations where a alternate route gets included in the canon afterwords, right?

>>280457376
No, IX's true equilogue is a combination of elements from all the routes. You have to play all of them to get it, and it's the canon ending. Sengoku and X are kind of like this too, Rance's "canon" accomplishments are implied to be impossible to achieve in a fresh playthrough. For example Yukihime's character clear happened according to X, but you have to be on NG+ do to that.

>>280457576
The reincarnation thing reeks of them trying to push in an excuse to have incest be checked off the list.

>>280458265
Nagi's plotline is just a carryover from Kichikuoh, but they want to work in a happy ending for both Nagi and Shizuka somehow. Plus Nagi getting raped by her biological father is part of her character.
Although X Part 2 is literally a generic self-insert incarnation fantasy adventureslop with an *extremely heavy* emphasis on incest, so maybe it's part of the grand design. The twist is God is the one who self-inserted and the whole thing is a ploy to make it take a liking with generic fantasy adventure (and incest) instead of watching a misery simulator from the sidelines.

>>280413313
Reset best girl!

>>280459119
Reset is such a little slut she would feel perfectlly at home among Evenicle Kalars.

>>280459395
No, stop.

>>280459395
Keep my daughter's name out of your fucking mouth.

>>280459425
>>280459437
My headcanon now is that Reset is progenitor of Evenicle Kalars. With Reset as Queen, Kalars will turn from man-hating to man-loving sluts in just few years.

Not sure I can approve of Rance since he's a filthy feminist after all.

>>280459395
>>280459453
Fucking Reset is like fucking Rance

>>280355464 (OP)
I'll take outright morally reprehensible over the self righteous ignominy most Japanese protagonists feel over the smallest shit that happens to them.

>>280459453
They are not in the same setting. Kalar's institutionalized manhate was because of Reset's grandma having sex-envy when she was alive, so she made it into laws that all Kalars have to hate men and can't have sex. Rance and Reset have already fixed that and helped with Kalar's integration into human (and other races) society.

Step aside for the true hero

>>280459453
No anon, bad anon.

>>280449724
>My fuck is there a lot of running around the forest collecting orbs in the end game
I always run second map after tutorial one.

>>280456331
But they are also themselves so it's not really incest.

>>280460937
It's hotter to think of it as incest.

>>280458515
So, if you want to wash away the trauma a girl has experienced, fuck her, let her reincarnate as your child, and then fuck her again?

>>280459634
>Feminist
>Actually abuses women
Wow, I never knew porn could be so true to life!

>>280460216
>still lose even in the ending where he wins
Arios Thecuckedman

>>280462022
Worth it to btfo some dude who didn't even know about him.

>>280461329
Rance isn't the one who does the (brutal) raping in Part 2, technically speaking, but the Demonic Blood. The program turns even a sweetheart cutie like Miki into the murderapemachine Little Princess, and Rance somehow still manages to be the weakest Demon King in history, mostly through sheer will of strength and raping Shizuka. DK Rance also doesn't target Nagi in particular but Shizuka. Nagi just wants to share the burden with her sister.
Rance still canonically runs around and rapes women after the series though.

>>280454883
It's okay because no one likes fags.

>>280432194
-You can ditch annoying bitch Shizuka and permanently replace her with her sister
- Rance is also a king there and Lia is his cheerleader which is really fun to watch
- Plus the game is massive, it features JAPAN, Leazas, Helman, Free Cities and the demons all in one game. Some of the characters (like Menad) and plot points were originally introduced in Kichikuou and then back-ported into the main series

I am wondering, is Rance the original modern isekai?
People say that they all copy Dragon Quest which is obviously false if you played the games but Rance shares a lot of similarities with isekai works
- slave sidekick
- modern day anachronisms
- adventure guilds
- demon lords
- levels and skills
- increasing level cap through sex
- Japanese school kids getting teleported into another world
etc

>>280463923
>-You can ditch annoying bitch Shizuka
Nigger post.

>>280464094
No.

>>280464097
>no Gele on /haniho/ side
>but Feb's pink onahole is
Shamefur.

>>280464097
They only liked her because of her huge witch hat I bet
Otherwise she is just Kanami but without anything that makes Kanami fun

>>280464175
She was always popular and beloved across entire series OGs included. You just have horrible tastes. Scientific fact.

>>280464302
>She was always popular
yes, because she always had her hat on

>>280355464 (OP)
shut the fuck up and fuck off back to youtube comment sections with your moralfagging.

>>280449604
>when the company was about to go under,
I think it is a myth, there was no risk of them going bankrupt at that time, they just were afraid that they would not be able to finish the series

>>280464170
Gele doesn't appear in X.

>>280355464 (OP)
i feel nothing

>>280464766
She just gets mentioned, unfortunately. Would've been nice to see her in her glory once more.

>>280466478
He almosted end up molesting him in VI

>>280464766
All past Demon Kings appear in X.

>>280467966
None of them do.

>>280468646
Well sure, if you want to be technical about it. But Gele appears in Kayblis's flashback.

>>280355464 (OP)
test

>>280464097
wow that reset girl looks cute, I hope rance fucks her brains out

>>280470234
I am Rance, and I will kill you

>>280355464 (OP)
I hated Rance in X. He was not the same character. The game also ditches him halfway, and the card game system sucks. idk why everyone dickrides it.

>>280470234

>>280472031

>>280472076
My God

IX felt more like a final than X

>>280472076
The conversation with the traitor major guy in X about how eventually their daughters will marry some guys is pretty funny too.

>>280355578
>All his rape is righteous
a tautological statement

>>280471990
Horrible opinion.
>card game system sucks
Best boss battles in the series.

>>280472869
That reminds me, I haven't finished the post-game content...

Wait is X translated yet?

>>280473570
Yes
the script editing isn't done however

>>280473570
You will have to buy Pastel Chime 3, then maybe Mangagamer will consider releasing X in English within this century.

>>280474288
Fuck off Maria

>>280468759
Did you pass?

>>280364261
Machiavellianism is morally righteous more often than not. See Oberstein or Realist Hero.

>>280355464 (OP)
rance honestly has flawless morals
except that he hates femboys

>>280475451
Femboys are not for fucking, just provoking confusing thoughts. Rance understands this.

>>280475451
That exception only proves the fact

>>280475384
Favorite

>>280474412
You MUST buy Pastel Chime gaijin

>>280464478
Autism

>>280475451
Rance is never wrong

>>280479542
He was wrong about Reset remaining a virgin

>>280462264
>Rance somehow still manages to be the weakest Demon King in history
Lowest death toll probably, but not even fucking close to the weakest.

>MC awakes as the space demon lord
>destroy 10 solar systems
>he doesn't want to do evil but he ends up doing it accidentally
>comedy ensues

>>280480788
According to Orion, he's not as strong as he could be because he keeps suppressing his murderous urges.

>>280462264
>Rance still canonically runs around and rapes women after the series though.
Kek, some habits never die I see.

>>280472382
I want to fuck that lil slut.

>>280355464 (OP)
I like the Maou no Hajimekata guy

>>280484773
Just make sure she doesn't like it. Otherwise, it's not a punishment.

>>280415117
I don't think I could bring myself to like any of them if they're able to fall in love with a rapist like Rance and be okay with sharing him. I don't mind Rance himself, but the women in his games are some of the biggest whores in all of media.

>>280480788
Rance has Demon King Lv 0 according to ORION, which makes him the weakest demon king but also the one with the most control. Miki doesn't count because Little Princess is a different being. Miki actually doesn't have the Demon King skill but Runaway Demon King (逃亡魔王).

>>280480788
I was being retarded with the deleted post, please ignore it. DK Rance has Demon King lv. 0, Miki/Little Princess has Demon King lv. 1

>>280415117
For me it is Rizna

>>280486707
>if they're able to fall in love with a rapist like Rance
Rance is one of the nicest guys in his world
There are other way worse people there

>>280486707
Several of them love parts of him (and either accept, ignore or handwave away the problematic parts) like Arlcoate, Wenlina, Sen or Alkanese. But most of them enjoy his company, but hate the bandit king part of Rance and don't even like the brutal sex because his is comically huge and he is too forceful. Then there are the weirdos like Kenshin, flaming faggot and Biscutta who love Rance because of who he is.
Several girls are very territorial too. Copandon's life goal is to buy Rance and have his kid. Lia would have razed Helman to the ground for him, and Satella has no problem with killing his kids to keep him for herself (but can't do it to Reset because Satella is too kind). But Rance is Rance.
Then there are cuckquaen and pushovers like Sill. Women's favorite.

>>280486707
>any of them if they're able to fall in love with a rapist like Rance
Just go for the ones that hate him, simple.

>>280355464 (OP)
I like them, and sometimes they're even more fun when they're so unapologetic about the awful things they do

>>280355578
has there ever been a Rance anime? and is it any good? i dont like rpgs/jrpgs so i wont watch.

Redo of healer was fairly amusing.

>>280360087
>>280378497
im still struggling to understand the mind of anyone this neurotic about Rudy. He's a great guy, cope. Its only been a 'bad' thing to have sex with pubescent teen girls for the last ~80 years, it was never a problem for the previous 100,000. Cope.

>>280488456
Yes, more than one in fact
It was great

>>280488456
There are two OVAs series. One in 93 with two episodes, completely unrelated to any games but it's a good character adaptation for Rance. Nice production quality.
https://youtu.be/C38a8LA360Q
The OP. Think of it as how Sill, Rance's slave, views him rather than how the actual OVA is.
Second one from 2014 to 2016, where the gif from OP is from. It adapts events from Rance 01, a lot of QUALITY but it has soul for a low-budget hentai anime.
You should check out the OVAs just for the VA. Rance is voiced by Kazuki Yao.

>>280487658
He had a fantastic theme, though.

>>280488788
Forgot the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XuhKeLW-jQ

The hottest girl in the series.

>>280487658
Abert was one of the first characters from this series that wasn't Rance which stood out to me. I'm a bit sad he only got one game.

>>280474288
>>280474412
>>280478099
Not sure about Pastel chime 3 but 2 was fun.
Never finished many of the rance games cause they got repetitive or boring....
>6 got boringly grindy
>Sengoku was great had great replay value
>Big bang age was great and had great replay value
>evanicle was ok and finished
>evanicle 2 had better girls but felt too similar to eva1
>didn't finish rance 8

>>280460216
>>280462022
>>280462240
>ENTER the actually good MC and HERO who saved his world.....
Also fights with his hands and doesn't use a sword like a pussy.

>>280471990
They ended the series with x, that's why

>>280489661
>>280489741
Big Bang Age could have easily been adapted into a 2000s TV anime if you had the sex happen off-screen.
https://youtu.be/XFMNdpD4QR0

>>280489741
>MOGGED by his older brother who is actually funny and entertaining
It's over...

>>280489741
>>280460216
Both are boys in comparison to him

>You mean, I get to fuck Tilde and she calls me daddy?

>>280489963
Please don't slander Rolex like that, he is a loyal husband. No Leazas whore will make him waver.

>>280489991
You can't be a husband to a corpse.

>>280489991
No bro, it's just discipline. It's not something he would do with his wife, therefore it's not cheating.

>>280489741
>no rape
GAAAAAYYY

>>280490366
Rouga is more open-minded than Rance.

>>280489834
The thing about being an alpha in real life rather than an escapist fantasy is that you have bros and they can be cool too.

Gou being BASED or Kuga can't be cool. It doesn't take away from Rouga's alphaness.

>>280490366
>>280490400
Rouga doesn't swing that way but he certainly is more open minded.
Main difference is:
>rance rapes but no touching lolis
>rouga fucks wolf women, killer clones, magical loli doll-girls, 100-1000yr old mummy legal lolis, etcetc.

>>280488638
Even without it being a Rance OVA, Sabaku is just a fun 90s fantasy anime.

>>280490570
I mean if we are talking about variety, Rance has Rouga beaten simply because he also does all kinds of Monster Gals, Gods and Devils (and arty-fishul human and more).
And the no kids rule is not exactly ironclad, more like it has to be unquestionably mentally and physically a (really young) kid. Rance still got a raging boner looking at nerfed Gele despite the DK murderape aura.

>>280487201
The wiki says he has demon king lvl 2. I haven't played X yet, though, so I don't know if that's right.

>>280490756
That's correct, he has lv2 on his card. But ORION clarified that it was a mistake, it's supposed to be something like Demon King lv2 (Demon King lv.0) to denote that when Rance is in control, he is the weakest Demon King. Lv2 is only when the Demon King is fully awakened and the blood overdrive Rance.
https://x.com/ORION_PROJECT/status/1761786813038174352/photo/1

>>280490813
I really love Orion armor and monster design. He simply is in another zone when it comes to those fields.

>>280490400
Holy kek, I don't remember this.

>>280491279
Orion is a great designer overall, I'd love to see his works in more stuff.

>10

>>280492788
This ain't /haniho/ bro, the thread has already reached the bump limit.