Is it over-hated, or not hated enough?

Youtubers seem to hate the series s good amount. The show doesn't even seem like it's worth talking about.

>>280429083 (OP)
Just rewatched it yesterday. It's really good.
I will start reading the novels later, first the fan-tl version, then the official.

>>280429083 (OP)
i have to rewatch to form my own opinion

I don't know, but I unironically really like the games. Or at least Hollow Realization specifically. It's AJRPG slop, yes, but it's kino AJRPG slop.

>>280429083 (OP)
it's only hated by elitists and ntr fans

>>280429436
i hope the author of sao sue all those ntr artists/devs

>>280429456
He doesn't need to do anything.
...just please continue progressive.
At least until floor 25.
If I remember it correctly, that's where Asuna and Kirito 'part-ways'.

>>280429501
yeah, she left to join kob since like a third of the frontliners got wiped by the boss. also, there's this disgusting ntr game based on sao i found through f95zone. i checked it out out of morbid curiosity, and the dev made kirito into some limp-dicked beta w/ 0 plot armor, who can't even satisfy asuna, and asuna's just a hypocritical bitch in it. i dropped that garbage instantly

what's worse is that if you go to the thread on f95zone, like 90% of the coomers there haven't even watched the show, but they all hate kirito just because of that clown ass game. the shilling is insane. i seriously hate ntr garbage and the people who push it. i hope all those ntr devs/artists get sued into oblivion

It's a great litmus test for whether the person you're talking to is capable of forming their own opinions, or just a trend-driven drone.
Also helps spot "ironic weebs".

>>280429603
Just ignore it.
Talking about it will not stop anyone from making those anyway.

>>280429436
*Pseud Elitists. Real Elitists are SAOstans. Someone post the galaxybrain meme, cause it's true.

>>280429083 (OP)
It's a classic that will make people rage for years to come because this overhated anime got more episodes and movies than their favorite animu.

Not reading, post Sugu

>>280429682
>>280429845
>>280429847
ty guys, for being real... it's rlly hard to find people who are true to their feelings. because everywhere i go, i see people shilling sao hate for no reason. i appreciate you guys, and i hope there were more people like you...

>>280429083 (OP)
>the series shine the most when MC isn't the main focus
>it's true for the games as well
>author's other series is actually fun
SAO is over-hated but Kirito isn't hated enough.

>>280429919

>>280429083 (OP)
It has an interesting premise, but it totally botched the story by making Kirito a solo player, invalidating the point of an MMORPG setting.

>>280429919
Kirito is what a protagonist should be

>>280430045
I assume the idea is to have him be the 'MVP' of any given party he's in. Basically having him carry everyone else on his back.

>>280429456
>>280430045
You've never played MMOs, let alone pre WOW MMOs. Only the mentally ill think you can't solo in them. Many people did. They only joined for world bosses cause those couldn't be killed solo. And in some games some freaks still managed to find exploits by kiting or locking a boss in a location from which it couldn't attack whereby allowing the solo player to kill the world boss designed to be killed by 100+ people. Old MMOs left insane room for solo players.

>>280430045
>invalidating the point of an MMORPG setting
Is it normal to actually got into guild when playing MMO?
I always ignored that.

>>280430093
Kirito can do it. If he can't, then there's no point in making him a main character

>>280429083 (OP)
It's hated for the wrong reasons.
The reason it should be hated is because Asuna is an insufferable character and because the series is a rom com disguised as a science fiction story.
Also Kirito loses nearly all of his fights.

>>280429083 (OP)
no one knows what this is

>>280429083 (OP)
Does it matter?

>>280430251
>a rom com disguised as a science fiction story
You know anything like this?

>>280429994
A real SAO fan and a brainlet hater in one post.
"Does he suffer" is grounds for instant concession because that's typical incel behavior from tr/a/nnies who are afraid of males. They don't even read the series because if they did then they would know that suffering is his default state.

>>280429083 (OP)
They have the same face.
Hot.

>>280430446
Anime, yes.

There's definitely faggots who never watched it/can't think for themselves jumping on the hate train but it's pretty dogshit.

>>280430428
Isn't that steins gate?

>>280429083 (OP)
It's better than people give it credit for, but it's still not very good. Very hit or miss.

>>280430651
There's comedy in it, yes.

I got filtered by the second half of season 1. Does it get better?

>>280430758
GGO is good enough to get its own spin-off, which also got adapted into 2 season of anime.

>>280430758
Fairy dance is both the best and worst of the series.
Best because it has an interesting game, with an interesting battle system, interesting setting, and lore if you read the LN version. Leafa is also one of the best companions in the series.
Worst because of the plot which is basically Asuna art online.

>>280429083 (OP)
Anime fan try to act like they have taste but they’re just sheep. SAO was hated on back in the day yet Shield Hero s1 and Tensei s1 got slurped up despite being the same gary stu isekai dogshit, due to e-celebs shifting from Digitroon critic types to shills promoting every anime that comes out.

>>280431143
>Gary stu
Concession
Accepted

It's alright but the franchise really shines when Kirito is absent.
Also I've noticed sometimes it feels like the author wants to go full Tom Clancy but the editors are stopping him and I don't know if that's a good thing.

>>280429083 (OP)
It's because fans who got into anime at the time just did not understand what Kirito is with their current views on life. Sadslops and drama were very appealing to the teens who got into anime at the time. They could not appreciate a man who could not be stopped by hardship or depression, a caring husband, a loving father. Kirito is one of the most inspiring men in anime and SAO is one of the most motivational. This is peak male fantasy.

>>280431460
>Shipfag delusions

>>280431646
Tourist-kun...

for me its Lisbeth

>>280431218
I’m literally defending SAOfags

It's a product of its time
You can tell it was made when we all thought VR gaming was going to be more than a joke

>>280432720
2002, I think.

Actually hating media and going online to say how much you hate it is a sign of seething and mental illness, and therefore invalid opinion.

>>280429083 (OP)
Overhated. But I've come to accept that everyone will hold true to their own opinions.
Does suck that it's hard to talk about any SAO-adjacent media in turn.
>>280429909
Without a shred of irony, Reddit and Discord. It's been nice not having to feel like crap over the past decade. The Alicization threads were just the best, too.

>>280431741

with A1 having big losses lately I am wondering if the new movie is gonna just be cancelled

>>280429083 (OP)
>>280429156
Kirito is by the japanese, for the Japanese.
They have busamen gachi fighter if they want a noneastern self insert.

>>280434745
>A1
>big losses

>>280434745
The movie is going to get cancelled because reki fucked up in progressive.
He got the aincrad rewrite, but he already committed the same sin that ruined aincrad in the first place which was having Asuna involved.
So now he's just writing shit to promote the girl instead of writing the elf war or any form of aincrad lore. Even progressive 9 is a pile of nothing happening. All you get is homo shit and Kirito getting his ass kicked by kysarah again. You know something is wrong when Klein making an appearance is considered a good thing.

>>280435930
the new movie is meant to be an original movie like Ordinal Scale

>>280429083 (OP)
I think it's wasted potential. The idea of a high stakes MMO game was a really interesting concept at the time. But then it turns into a half baked romance, and the author couldn't even write more than a few floors.
The stuff that came after Aincrad didn't even feel like it was from the same series.

>>280430433
Do you even know the meaning behind the buzzwords you use? Or are you just throwing together a word salad in an attempt at an insult?

>>280429083 (OP)
not over-hated enough

>>280436960
someone feels called out

I kind of liked the first few LNs.
The anime is terrible adaptation.

Kind of meh after Aincrad arc.

>>280429083 (OP)
Over-hated. And I wonder why?

>>280436907
I remember seeing a copied post where anon is confused on how progressive red pilled him on the series.

>>280437231
Trannies weren't a thing back in the day. Even femcels were rare.
I've never seen SAO threads as anything else other than bait.

>>280436827
>Like ordinal scale
God help us

>>280429083 (OP)
The show that started one of the worst genre craze in Japanese anime history that's still impacting the industry 15+ years later, becoming the gateway of Isekai slop. "hate" is going easy.

If you go into it hoping for an mmo anime, you know you played an mmo as a kid with good memories and want to see anime version where the characters use immersive VR tech to go through an mmo game then its the biggest piece of shit show in existence.

Who needed YET ANOTHER generic romance anime? Cant they come up with anything new? The mc is like the unironic version of the south park mmo fat guy. fucking god

>>280429889
Sinon is one lucky girl to motorboat Sugus tits.

>>280437374
Yeah
We have AGGO for tranny shit that people will excuse because LOOK AT ALL THE GIRLS!!
GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS!
ITS JUST LIKE MY SLICE OF LIFE ROM COMS!

>>280437564
Common. That's not a reason. You're just mad and jealous. EVA doesn't get as much shit for starting the pussy MC trend.

The Isekai craze is linked to Japan's record long economic decline. Fantasy is known to do better during economic crisis.

>>280437569
Stop hoping and start going blind. Drop at episode 1 if you don't like what you're watching.

>>280429889
Sure.

>>280429083 (OP)
I fell for the 'S1 is akshully good' meme after ignoring it for 7-ish years
the first 3 episodes were already such ass

the sigsawa spinoff's kinda lit tho

>>280437766
the romance garbage gets more prevalent around like ep 7-9

Okay the OP has scene where a housewife feeds her husband but golly gee why do that in vr mmo setting. You could do anything else thats more interesting than looking for a girl friend to suck your virtual penis.

>>280437766
People watching for science fiction would drop at episode 2

>>280429628
this, i fucking swear like 90% of people hating on it haven't even watched it because most couldn't even point out what's so wrong with it
not even defending it, it's mediocre as fuck and it would probably be 10x more interesting with a different MC, but the reactions to it are way too disproportionate to how good/bad it is. most series of the same quality (and there are tons of them) would probably have been forgotten like 1 week after they finished airing

Your honest thoughts on her?

>>280438077
The dragon kissing her in the Opening looks like a penis being slapped on her face

>>280437835
The romance part was a nice touch and for many people it was the reason why they stuck until the end of the season.

The slice of life only lasted like ~1-2 episodes before the action got back on the menu, if that's what you're talking about.

>>280438039
What does "watch it for science fiction" mean? Talking about how the worldbuilding works? They do that quite enough in the LN but they had to cut off most of it in the anime.

>>280429083 (OP)
has some issues but hating it because some brownskin on youtube says so is retarded

>>280429083 (OP)
Underrated. One of the best anime of the 2010s

>>280437829
I enjoyed GGO but the threads of it here seemed to mostly comprise of people self conscious about liking something SAO related

>>280429889

>>280438278

It's great fuck all ecelebs. Also Kirito porn where he gets railed is great.

Poor man's Solo Leveling.

>>280438417
Every manhwa ever has their protagonist only have a personality for the first chapter and then they become overpowered and become "I'm too cool for all these clowns" for the rest of the story.
It was overt in solo leveling

I just want her to become canon.

>>280438618
>that scene where all the titty monsters were talking around the table and Sinon was the smallest by far

>>280438694

>>280438224
you would
that shit's fucking embarrassing

>>280438694
How badly does Sinon want big tits

>>280429083 (OP)
I would argue the early inside the videogame parts are good fantasy, probably as good as Mushoku Tensei. It was a major mistake to break away from that format, I rather watch a version where they do in fact reach the bottom and the dev guy reveals himself as the last boss.

>>280438214
>One of the best anime of the 2010s
People will say stuff like this and still claim SAO isn't overrated. Back in the day this shit was shilled relentlessly as the best thing ever by its fanbase of preteen boys.

>>280439120
the slop levels are reaching levels never seen before

>>280439553
It was actually a girl who introduced me to SAO
It's not the best anime ever made but it was fun

Only neophytes hate on SAO

>>280439992
My dislike for SAO stems from Reki being really good at worldbuilding but kinda shit at everything else.
So he makes this super cool world that he can do a lot with and then he uses it for the world's shortest tsundere plotline ever.

Whether you hate SAO or not, I think the real enemy are people who think SAO Abridged is the better show.

>>280429603
>parted with kirito at floor 25
is that based on the progressive LNs?
ive been reading for the last year or so on and off the official EN translations for SAO proper and dont recall that in that source material
That being said, the fact that the volume 8 (maybe 7?) "Aincrad day 2" side story where you see Kiritos first impressioning onto NPCs and his first encounter with death from the guy who tried to use him as bait for the quest item never got an anime adaptation piece is absolutely sinful
it would make such a great OVA

>>280439553
I wouldn't have called it underrated back then. But now it's been hated so long that it is underrated. I was already in my 20s when I first saw it and thought it was fantastic. It stood above the quality of other anime when the 2010s was one of the worst decades for anime ever.

>>280440125
>'luv sao propa'
>'luv progressiv'
>'luv abridged
>'ate 'aters
simple as
its been extremely satisfying to see how many things that are in abridged that seem like one off jokes that were created for comedic effect (kiritos npc loving, asunas yandere tendencies, silica being used as bait, etc) are actually based on the original series
you can tell abridged was made from a place of genuine love for the original series with an honest effort to both improve the story and entertain like a traditional abridged would
that being said, abridged asuna is infact 100% better than proper asuna

>one of the biggest complaints about SAO/Aincrad is "dude after 75 floors kayaba just shrugs and says 'i dont remember lol' when asked why he did it? wtf so lazy"
>meanwhile his motivations were literally spelled out right after that line "i cant even remember"
>man had a dream since he was a kid about the castle in the sky and creating its world
>wanted to share that dream with everyone
>wanted to make it as real as possible, and what better way to immerse someone than make death real
im still mad and its been over a decade of people not understanding this or the fact that its continually reinforced throughout the series whenever kayabas ghost comes around or his assistant recalls him in memories
kayaba was literally just too autistic to know how to share his fanstical dream properly without going all out and forcing everyone to play along

>>280438203
cut anime content is not a new criticism of the series. If only people knew that the content that people wanted were just Kirito monologing about how something triggering his autism.
Which happens in progressive as well but sometimes Asuna decides to join in as they talk about some boring food trivia or real life shit.

>>280440412
It's based off of materials from ordinal scale and i think in unital ring. It doesn't really matter though because it's just a meaningless event in the grand scheme. The more important thing was literally half of the best players in the game got obliterated.

>>280440803
He even said why he did it in the very beginning too. Anime fans always bitch and moan about how action scares them because it removes from people sitting around and talking and having non stop "character moments"
But he spelled out that motivation.
In the beginning.
In a scene that is LITERALLY SITTING AROUND AND TALKING AND HAVING A CHARACTER MOMENT.
And they STILL missed it.
Which makes me think that most anime fans just want to turn off their brains and watch CGDCT or rom com which already makes up 95% of anime.

>>280440925
Ah I see, its been a while since Ive seen OS. I used to hate the "retconning" about how 'achshually Kirito and Asuna were super close at one point so its not a forced romance in vol 1', but Ive come to now see these pieces as easter eggs or supplementary content instead now that I actually understand the nature of how the LNs writing and its structure influencing the various Aincrad stories
>>280441348
To be fair at least in the first episode its more of a "you (colloquially the playerbase in the town of beginnings, and loosely by extension the viewer) cant/wouldnt understand the reason I [Kayaba] forced you here until the game is beat, and until you can look back at all the memories and happiness and suffering and realize you did infact enjoy yourself and your time in Aincrad despite it all"
Because how would anyone understand why Kayaba would do it until they fully experience everything he created in game, at gunpoint (or swordpoint teehee) or not.
At face value its easy to disregard episode 1s explanation as a non important catchall for the in universe reason to the players, and for the viewer as just 'generic evil anime antagonist does thing because plot requires it"
That being said it does tie in with his final last comments to Kirito and Asuna, so the viewer who does not make the connection ends being an NPC who didnt actually pay attention
>turn their brains off
funny you say this because SAO is extremely enjoyable at face value especially when you turn your brain off
its mostly anime fans who tried to turn their brain on to critique the series and end up parroting whatever the anime youtuber of the week told them to think who hate it the most

The only unrealistic part of SAO was the part during the War of the Underworld where PoH convinces all the American players to team up with the Chinese players against the Japanese players.

Everyone would be PKing the chinks in reality.

>>280442646
Based

>>280429083 (OP)
This show needs more Asuna bath scenes.

SAO is trash and so am I.

>>280429083 (OP)
>the driving force behind the inbred human centipede of a genre that isekai turned into even after 15 years
I think it's shit or mediocre at best by itself but what it's done to this industry is beyond the pale

>>280444978
Rom com has done way more damage to the industry

>>280445298
women romcom writers*

The actual "Sword Art Online" part, the first 12 or 13 eps are great. Everything after is pointless shit and I dropped it.

>>280440677
its dubbed so its automatically shit, simple as
other than that, the love for the abridged series stems from newfags that were still closeted about anime so they rely on the good old harhar i only love this shit ironically. so you sir have been effectively brainwashed by a bunch of casuals.

>>280445338
It's really only 3 or 4 of those episodes that have a cohesive plot. The rest are just filler side stories the author wrote later.

>>280445353
It doesn't help that abridged series tend to be written by people who hate the source material or at least think they can do better. So they exude this aura of smug self satisfaction.

When are saberfags going to admit she's just knock off asuna

The only thing I know about this show is the male MC gets a lot of feminization porn for some reason.

>>280445569
>Saber copies Asuna
>Alice copies Saber
Perfectly balanced.

>>280445576
Some people love Kirito others want to be in him

>>280429083 (OP)
not hated enough in 2012
over-hated in 2013-2020
And nowadays nobody cares about it

>>280445483
most abridged writers do it not because they hate the source but because they want to create a comedy piece for entertainment value, and the running joke is to see how much you can remove or replace source material with har har YTP tier jokes and still get the major plot points through
its very clear the abridged writers for sao did a little bit of both, adding their own humor and style while still attempting to create a story they think is better. whether you think they huff their own farts and jack off to thinking they can write better than reki is up to you
i see it as no different than someone going, "I like this part of sao, i hate this and this part, man what if it was like .hack or log horizon or what if it was this way or that way at this part etc etc" and then running with their imaginations
>>280445483
>>280445353
its just as stupid to immediately hate sao abridged or think someone who likes it or both abridged and the original is a brainwashed retard who parrots their favorite anituber
>its dubbed so its shit
>an abridged series written by americans
>is dubbed
way to prove youre definitely not a bandwagoning faggot
id agree with you if it was trying to pass as an official translation using the same 10 english VAs as does everything else with a dub, instead of just a fun project
what would they do, write the story and find nips to VA for them? delusional. now i actually want to see an abridged title with amateur nip VAs and subtitles

Have you seen the shit zoomers are obsessed with? Kagurabachi of all things?
Yeah, this is definitely overhated.

I think SAO fans are ok they don't get hyper defensive like Mushoku redditors about their anime not being a masterpiece.

>>280446049
But Mushoku is a masterpiece

>>280429083 (OP)
I think it's hated enough

>>280446085
Point proven

>>280446049
Mushoku Tensei might not be a true masterpiece, but it's pretty damned good.

>>280446049
MT haters are constantly seething just because Rudy procreated

>>280445576
That's because Kirito is a girl when he plays GGO in the second season (because of a mistake from his part iirc).

>>280446229
It's average at it's very best.

>>280445576
Female GOOD
Male BAD

>>280446229
anime studio production values : top tier
source material : mostly garbage, sometimes okay

>>280446389
if i remember correctly if you havent played a seed game before or dont wish to transfer your character data, then your character image is "rolled" gacha style
he got lucky (or unlucky depending on how you see it) and got one of the most rare character rolls for a male
i remember in the LN its mentioned that good/cute/rare character image data can be sold on a black market (or maybe it was an official market for that type of data i might be wrong but either one stems from the same premise about character data being randomized)
i think GGO:A also mentions it when talking about LLenns character not matching her IRL proportions
It was because he didnt transfer over his character data from alfheim since he figured he wasnt going to get invested in the game beyond what his Kikuoka wanted to know about the death gun so he wasnt taking it seriously when starting out

Maybe it's time to rewatch the series, I'll do it after im done with turn a gundam

>>280445576

>>280445298
>New anime season comes out
>Nothing but rom coms

>>280445910
>brainwashed retard who parrots their favorite anituber
Maybe you do know what youre talking about
I have my own issues with dubbing but my main gripe with the abridged series is its completely dishonest to the source. Changing something serious and dramatic to poopy farts comedy completely changes the narrative. Liking the abridged series and acknowledging that its merely a comedic parody is fine but saying that its better or attempts to be better by changing the narrative is just a no go.

Anyone have a webm of the Asuna bath scene in Progressive?

Are mushoku redditors aware that it's a made up story? Why do they act like it's a documentary?

post sugu

>>280446956

>>280429603
Based coomers

>>280446811
>actual post engagement
aw sweet hell yeah, a decent debate in an sao thread for once?

what parts are dishonest to the source that arent genuine attempts to improve what they saw as a flaw? sure anything that changes the original is "dishonest" by default; but that doesnt always mean it has negative intent or negative value

at this point on im playing devils advocate because i DO like and enjoy both
seriousness into poopy fart jokes is a staple of any abridged series
SWE has the goal to keep tongue in cheek jokes you'd expect of a fan series, but holds back on overdoing it because it does still want to be seen as a show that has character depth, progression, meaningful interactions etc
lets take a look at an example of a change thats an attempt to improve the material or was changed to help stay narratively consistent with other parts they DID want to improve
in abridged:
>kiritos loneliness turns into a product of his own self importance primarily
improvement or not is up to you its mostly a narrative consistency change
this is a major change in him as a character, but it stays consistent the entire time throughout even after his character redemption events later in abridged
>he doesnt even realize hes being an asshole, and thats why he gets confused when people reject him at first
see episode one where they change him from A. not wanting to have to worry about taking care of more than just Klein into B. not realizing why Klein called him an asshole, and essentially seeing it as Kleins fault he has to run to the next town alone
>klein starts talking about how cool itd be for kirito to meet his game buddies only to get cut off when he realized kirito ran away crying due to being called an asshole

>>280446956
Which one

>>280447379
by my first (real) comments, yes sure its dishonest but it is in no way a clapback against Reki, or a statement of superiority. its a change made to help the rest of their changes make sense, and him becoming an asshole is constantly either referenced, showed, stated by others, or directly influence his actions in a consistent way
if you think thats bad writing or cant be seen as a fun alternative then we'll simply have to disagree

>>280429083 (OP)
Overhated. If you’ve seen any significant amount of anime, you’ll know that SAO is at least average-slightly above average.

It’s just considered “problematic” because of all the ecchi.

>>280429083 (OP)
The hate toward it is a Youtube meme.

>>280445569
Isn't SAO technically older than .hack?

>>280447777
I personally choose to not really count that doujin.
When it comes to the original short story and .hack, both released in 2002 though sao was written in 2001
just a coincidence overall

>>280447379
>>280447430

No i dont think were on the same page. Im talking about something more fundamental.

By narrative i mean the entire tone of the show and how the the story is presented. With the abridged, the story is the same but the tone is changed. Debatable whether how they piece together the story is better or not BUT at that point its completely different from the original. Original is dramatic/serious, and the abridged is comedic/lighthearted. These two things dont offer the same experience. Thats why its foolish to say its better or not to the original, because its completely different things already and cant be compared to each other.

>>280445569
damn sao really is that old
https://m.blog.naver.com/zxc5448/40165710017

>>280446708
Oh right. I need to get back to reading the LN when I'm done with the other stuff.
>>280448277
The 2000 character design is really soulful.

>>280448263
>1/2
>the story is the same but the tone is changed
I mean sure but that's any abridged/fan project
>Original is dramatic/serious
Yes, but also incorrect. There's plenty of comedic moments that keep the mood light in between the serious parts
There's also plenty of moments that make either the viewer, or the main characters "forget" they are in a death game. House hunting, christmas time, shooting the shit with a guild at an inn, marriage, the fishing "arc", cooking S class ingredients, etc
>abridged is comedic/lighthearted
Also yes, but incorrect. There's plenty of dramatic/serious moments.
Traumatized by Sachi's death, the spark of hope that comes back he might still be able to save her only to ultimately get crushed, the beautiful actions of Asuna that slowly break his hard exterior down until he's genuinely in love with her, deflecting the truth and shouldering the blame of all Beaters (whether for good intentions or not), using a young teen as bait in order to fulfill a contracted request to get rid of an orange guild, etc.
You don't have an abridged series that does the "Final boss fight has the OP playing" (something SAO proper didn't even do) right after the main characters final redemption arc reachs its peak, that his partners aren't his enemies, and that his former idol is (loosely using the word idol here), without being serious. You also can't make that moment serious without other moments that are either dark or dramatic with a tone that indicates as such. Otherwise it'd come out of nowhere and ruin all pathos and ethos. Likewise you cant make small lighthearted moments like in the original feel that much more relieving for the characters, without having the serious tones and story parts give you the sense of how much stress and danger the characters are in. The moment where Kirito naps in the sun during a boss raid is a prime example of how even in a game of death, certain people are so intune with it they can find their moments of solace.

>>280448263
>2/2
>These two things dont offer the same experience.
They offer a different but similar experience on two sides of the same coin. One starts as funny and edgy humor series of jokes, and slowly turns into a serious venture that realized they COULD make something thats not just an abridged series straight out of post-DBZ abridged craze. SWE's abridged first debuted in March 2013. This was before the bandwagon hate train that followed digitroons "analytical diatribe" video essay. It started off as an 8 minute parody, not even getting an episode two until 5 months later in august. From there the release date varied from anywhere between 4 months to 9 months between episodes, ultimately taking 4 years [nearly exactly] to complete where the final [Aincrad] episode came out with a whopping 35 minute runtime. What abridged series makes a 35 minute episode that is only just shitty cracks and one liners?
>Thats why its foolish to say its better or not to the original, because its completely different things already
They are much the same as they are different but ultimately yes, beyond the surface its nigh impossible to really say which is better than the other without resorting to shitposting.
>cant be compared to each other
They can, its why we're having this discussion after all.

I never bother with SAO threads usually outside looking at the images because of the shitposting, but I did a rewatch recently of both Aincrad and Abridged Aincrad (and progressive movies to boot) so its fresh in my consciousness. I'll stop now. Damned template SAO threads.

>>280448764
Same, I've been lazily stuck on the most recently offical Unital Ring volume for months now. I did just download the Alicization game though, and thats been >fun.

>>280449589
>>280449539
>3/2
Every some odd years I rewatch a few of the original SAO hate videos, especially digitroons, to see how theyve held up over the years as a sort of litmus test to see how my opinions have changed over time and over the course of my source material consumption. Ultimately every opinion I or anyone else has is a parrot of some other faggots opinion [nothing you have ever thought is original], but I'm fairly confident these days in mine being my own, even if some of my opinions were originally realized because of someone else.
But thats more or less anyone, whether on /a/ anons agreeing with each other, or redditors repeating mothers basement or gigguk for the 100th time without knowing why. Take the average human and stick him in an some place alone, and show him tons of anime and other content and he'll still come out with the same opinions as the other average human. Disregard the notion for now that an "average human" is a normalfag, you get my point.

SAO is the ultimate litmus test for an anon to realize what he likes and dislikes and WHY, and if he hasn't realized those "why's", then he has either seen too many anitubers, or not enough anime. Have some Assuna as reparations for if any anon bothered to read my shit.

Until Bamco lets CC2 make another .hack// game I'll never stop hating SAO.
They fucking dropped .hack// like a sack of potatoes for the shitty imitation.

>>280449872
>>280447987

>>280447987
>>280449893
I wonder which took more time, the multi-media project that took time in the oven, or the fanfiction spat out by a teenager in a month.

>>280437231
SAO was revolutionary when it first came out. Then it just kept going, changing essentially nothing about it's formula.
That's why everybody hates it. It's really not that complicated.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the first one but if you watch past the second season you must be brain damaged.

>>280450074
>SAO was revolutionary when it first came out
It wasn't even revolutionary when it was a light novel contest entry since a guy named Matsuyama had been working on something just like it since 1999.
SAO exploded because it had an adaptation with good production values.

>>280449959
I don't think the time it took to write is relevant when both creators were influenced by the concepts of 80s and 90s sci-fi about being trapped in that hot new thing called the internet

>>280429229
99% of all fan translations for novels are shit.

>>280450120
I dunno, I think the idea of trapping an entire playerbase in a death game was pretty different for the time. Like a nerdier battle royale.

>>280450123
You'd have a point if SAO didn't rip off .hack// plot points almost beat for beat.

>>280450173
You mean Tron?

>>280450201
I've actually never seen Tron.
Seen all the adjacent stuff though. Bladerunners and shit.

>>280449539
>>280449589

Youre talking semantics, im talking substance.
Good talk, good night, and good riddance.

>>280450201
Oh so NOW you've seen tron
>>280450214
nevermind

I thought Harald Hoerwick was a bit more compelling than Kayaba, especially in terms of goals.
Kayaba's revelation actually pissed me off and ruined all of SAO for me.

SAO detractors are the reason that normalfags call everything with a bit of fanservice in it a "gooner show" now. They started this trend of treating sexualty like some weird thing

>>280450370
It's literally a harem surrounding an MC with zero personality and all the girls are just "ahh kirito-kun is so good at videogames and kind <3"
if you don't see how vapid and stupid that is, that's your own fuckin fault.

>>280450173
i think it was mainly because of how thought up the concept of vr in sao was with the nerve gear stuff. as opposed to just randomly being transported into a videogame or something.

>>280450370
Everything about her design is perfect

>>280450724
we should keep in mind that SAO was one of the first normie gateway anime

>>280450885
shounenshit aside I think you're right
Along with SnK, which literally aired 9 months later, it really expanded the anime scene to broader audiences in 2012-2013
Coincidentally, many people believe these were the years, specifically 2012 where the internet truly went to shit

>>280451273
2008 was the beginning, 2012 was the final nail. It is known.

>>280430045
>but it totally botched the story by making Kirito a solo player, invalidating the point of an MMORPG setting
But that's the point? How SAO was an escape and also a restart where Kirito learned again to socialize in a "game" with a lot of real people? I swear 99% of the haters didn't even watched the first 14 episodes at all.

>>280449959
if you're going to cite wikipedia you should read it first

>>280448277
sovl

>>280437564
>blaming a non-isekai for le isekai craze because you're underage
Zero no Tsukaima was an INCREDIBLY successful isekai LN adaptation that ran for four season and reached a conclusion before SAO's first season even came out.
Hell, the same goddamn season that SAO came out, Rogue Hero was acting as a RESPONSE to isekai anime by being a series about post-isekai where the hero comes back to their world. It was already an established genre.
>b-b-b-b-but it caused the boom
NO you RETARDED and ILLITERATE /v/ermin, because SAO does not even occupy the same genre, let alone comply to the same tropes, let alone is part of the same fucking industry, that being Kadokawa's WN -> LN -> Manga -> Anime pipeline which is the actual reason for the majority of isekai and game fantasy narratives in anime.
Fuck, do you think Devil is a Part-Timer (a reverse isekai), Log Horizon (an isekai), and Problem Children (another isekai) were all made in response to SAO? Shows that came out either the week after SAO's first season ended, or maybe half a year after?

Genuinely never post here again. You are so fucking stupid.

>>280453628
i remember shipfags got assblasted cause NotAsuna lost in devil is a part timer

>>280453628
Isekai is an extremely wide genre. There is stuff that was clearly inspired by SAO and stuff that was clearly not.

>>280429083 (OP)
definitely not hated enough

>>280450147
still 1% less shit than official TLs then

>>280429436
as a member of the later I love it because of how good this is for NTR

>>280429889
>>280437165
Asuna's wife

>>280445569
It's just a generic fantasy outfit from the late 90s/early 00s.

>>280456889
"isekai" is not a fucking genre its a plot device

>>280447413
Asuna is a lucky girl.

>>280447987
Not a coincidence. I remember being trapped in a video game especially in fantasy game was quite common during that time in both western and japanese media. For example I remember Fairy Oddparents had an early episode with that premise. Kim Possible had a WoW parody and in the final phases of the episode Ron and the girl of the week were trapped in the virtual world of the WoW parody.
Yugioh had two filler arcs where they were trapped inside virtual worlds the first one was even straight up isekai like fantasy. The machines they were trapped in looked like the VR machines in the proto-SAO doujin.

>>280457668

>>280453628
Don't forget Ixion Saga DT.

>>280457668
Nigga, Star Trek had episodes about people trapped in dangerous holodeck simulations in the 80's/90's. And even that borrowed from other scifi writers who had the same ideas earlier.

>>280429603
Game name?

>MC quite literally has a cheat power in dual-wielding in a game where 100% of players are melee specs
>Out-levels and out-stats every other player who was feverishly driven enough to play this fucking MMO, suggesting that there exists not one sweatlord poopsock out there who would be grinding as much as Kirito in the entirety of an MMO
>Is so conventionally attractive, approachable, charismatic, and magnetic, that the only people who dislike him are ugly retards and explicitly evil people who are also ugly retards
>Defeats enemies far outside of his level range because he's just so fucking SKILLED at the game, and nobody else can even come close, not even the literal goddamn administrator who also has cheat abilities because he needs them to keep up with Kirito

In all honesty, SAO would be immeasurably more interesting from the perspective of other players who have to watch Kirito lead the way and be the most poorly written MC in the universe while they struggle with their realistic limitations. Just imagine some poor player who's best friend got murdered by Laughing Coffin, thinking "Those FUCKERS, I'm going to find those shit-eating bastards and rip their fingers off in real life the SECOND we get out of here" only to have his moment of furious grief cut short by a crowd of various women (revealed to be extremely sexy IRL) all cheering when Kirito simply enters the town they were nearby.

>>280429083 (OP)
this was around 2012 right? yeah, so i was probably in middle school and got all of my opinions from youtubers. so i don't think the hate is deserved.

i acutally really like that the story doesn't stop once they escape the first game, and they full dive into a variety of different games. all with their own rules and plots genres. sword art is a slice of life adventure, while gg is a murder mystery. it's really cool. especially when compared to modern isekai that just stick to the same European fantasy

>>280458768
She's 14-15 in bottom pic.
They were in SAO for 2.5 years.

SAO and Log Horizon came out at around the same time. Both were stories about people trapped in an MMO. One accurately captured what playing old MMOs were like, the other was a runaway commercial success that warped the entire industry around it. This is one of those moments where the timeline was irrevocably damaged.

>>280429083 (OP)

haters are just jelly and butthertz.

>>280450147
>>280429229
SAO the eroge fanfic is kinomax.

>>280457668
>Yugioh had two filler arcs where they were trapped inside virtual worlds the first one was even straight up isekai like fantasy.

Dot Hack Sign did it first. but it was boring and trying to be Lain for MMORPGs.

>>280429436
>Elitists and ntr fans
Same thing

>>280458363
>goes out into the real world and gets folded by crackheads, women and salarymen
>tries an AR game and his girlfriend laughs at him for being unfit and bad at it
>sweet girl next door girlfriend now tracks his every move and even his heart rate
>puts all this behind him and goes out for a nice drink to discuss his future
>gets stabbed again by another crackhead
the mary sue comments are getting old, kirito is good at VRMMORPGs because he spent all his time playing them, the moment the headset comes off he gets battered like a disobedient housewife.

>>280460700
Is the implication here that SAO isn't an accurate depiction of old MMOs? Because it feels like the kind of comment often made by people who have never played anything older than WoW and thus don't know what old MMOs are actually like

>>280461305
SAO isn't an accurate depiction of any MMO regardless of what era it is from because of the original premise being Kirito trying to solo Aincrad. Early WoW is close, but honestly the more accurate, common comparison would be something like Everquest.

>>280429083 (OP)
>i don't think about you at all.jpg
I vaguely remember watching it up to them defeating the boss of a dungeon or something (halfway s1?), and dropping it because it was just so shitty.
I expected it to fade away into obscurity but for some weird reason it got popular.

>>280461362
Kirito just did a lot of delves.

>>280429083 (OP)
I watched S1 and just getting bored with every episodes
Started S2 and couldn't get passed e2

>>280447360
kys faggot ass coomer

>>280434262
>Without a shred of irony, Reddit and Discord. It's been nice not having to feel like crap over the past decade. The Alicization threads were just the best, too.
lucky you, anon. i'm not an oldfag, so i prolly can't recall it. but those were indeed some good times

>>280429847
I dislike SAO and it has less episodes than my favorite anime

>>280429083 (OP)
Neither, it's hated enough.
If anything, it's almost *good* in comparison to some of the new trash out there.

>>280457668
>I remember being trapped in a video game especially in fantasy game was quite common during that time in both western and japanese media.
so your logic is, since the trope was common during the time one thing had to have copied another rather than two different things use said currently common concept in similar ways

>>280460906
Asuna is the mary sue

>>280461362
Stop talking out of your ass you retard. At no point was the premise for Kirito to "solo Aincrad". He was a solo player who joined fucking floor raids aka the only solo play he did was quest. What part of this spells solo'ing Aincrad to you?

>>280429083 (OP)
no

>>280429083 (OP)
I never got the hate but I think its mostly due to the show being millennials/zoomers first exposure to the MC being a power fantasy
Also all the YouTube "critics" are s0i leftist breadtuber faggots who can't comprehend anything that isn't a Disney cartoon so fuck them. These are the same people who pearlclutch over every shot of cleavage or sex joke so why would you listen to the opinion of a moral nanny?

>>280465499
Doesn't Vaush like SAO unironically?

>>280429083 (OP)
Hating SAO pretty much like hating Justin Bieber back in the early 10s.

>>280429083 (OP)
The first arc is pretty good. Very entertaining for its run, and I'm a sucker for a goofy wholesome romance. It could easily have ended after Kirito gets up to go look for Asuna. Arc 2 is eeehhh. I don't hate it but I also don't love it. It has its charms but also a lot of misses. I don't really mind Asuna being locked up that much, even if it's a little weird, I just don't care who Kirito interacts with that much and I definitely don't care about his sister at all. S2 is eeehhhh, arc 1 of S2 is interesting I guess and everything after is haremslop. Basically the show ended after the first arc if you wanna be happy

>>280466076
One is the most basic bitch gateway to isekai and harem anime
The other is an industry plant
I'll let you take a guess which one deserves the hate

>>280465499
>Power fantasy
Theres a post that literally lists fights he lost

>>280465499
>the YouTube "critics" are s0i leftist breadtuber faggots who can't comprehend anything that isn't a Disney cartoon so fuck them. These are the same people who pearlclutch over every shot of cleavage or sex joke
When the fuck did Gigguk be considered a Breadtuber?

>>280466484
He's talking about the video essay crowd. Giggcuck is a different cancer of ironic weebs.

Quinella did nothing wrong

>>280437231
no wonder I don't play MMOs anymore

>>280466484
>Gigguk
If you've ever watched any video by him to decide what to watch you should kill your family and then yourself

>>280465499
>who pearlclutch over every shot of cleavage or sex joke
Name a single time a dirty joke set anyone off as badly as you claim you disingenuous bitch

Asuna, Zero Two, Mai Sakurajima, and Hinata Hyuga make for the best netori works

>>280437569
so based
shangri la frontier is better

I've avoided SAO my whole life.
Honest question:
What is better Solo Leveling or SAO? Are they comparable?
I'm willing to watch mildly entertaining shows even they're far from what I would consider 'good'.

>>280470165
the only thing retards ever compare between the two is the edgy power trip mc, which is pretty much just bullshit buzzword statements. theyre different shows.
theyre both decent to good

>>280453628
>Log Horizon (an isekai)
Anime only here, was it confirmed that LH was an Isekai? did it end? I remember that at some point it was confirmed that there was a way to return to their world. The other anime with a similar premise than LH that I watched was 100-man no Inochi

>>280430251
It’s amazing how Alicization is fantastic until Asuna arrives and turns everything into shit

>>280442646
The American players had all mostly been killed at that point, so PoH calls in the Chinese players who are basically bloodthirsty savages and are excited to help him kill Japanese players. That wouldn’t have worked for obvious reasons, so that’s why it was changed

>>280466422
can't have a good power fantasy without a reason to get stronger and overpower the thing that made you lose the first time

>>280429083 (OP)
SAO does some parts really well, Kirito and Asuna's romance in S1 was really good and made an impression on me when I was first getting into anime. also several of the opening songs were fire. it also does some stuff really bad though, for starters the mary sue self-insert MC, the harem, the constant low effort rape/molestation scenes to make the villains look evil.
but I think its biggest problem was just that it was trying to be way deeper than it really was. it seems like it's constantly trying to make a philosophical statement about VR and the human mind and the author just clearly doesn't possess the knowledge on either subject or depth of thought to pull it off.
that being said it attracts more hate than it rightfully deserves just because it was popular, then became the target of youtube pseuds like digitranny and the army of pseuds who follows them. so yeah it's overhated but it deserves some of it.

>>280439992
I'm unironically thinking about watching SAO just so I can be an informed enjoyer or hater.

>>280474945
it's literally just the proto-isekai that spawned modern isekai. you'll see all the same tropes but slightly less on the nose.

Asuna a lesbian

>>280475013
We already told you that narou-kei predates the SAO anime and they also made some isekai anime already in 2012. They were alreary planned many years or months before the SAO anime.