Gooks stealing again lmao

>>280493158 (OP)
fake & gay.

did anybody plow the silver haired japanese rich girl?

cool
togashi when?

>>280493158 (OP)
Source or fake and gay

>>280493201
Google, it's all over the internet since yesterday

>>280493166
>>280493201
It's real
https://animecorner.me/wind-breaker-webtoon-by-yongseok-jo-canceled-due-to-confirmed-plagiarism/

>>280493201
>>280493166
Is real lol

who cares this isn't anime or manga

>>280493158 (OP)
Nothing of value is lost

>>280493158 (OP)
so AI is fine but tracing is bad?????

I'm giving him a level of sympathy because their schedules really are inhumane
But, by all means, public humiliation and redraws should be enough

I'm guessing that, in the future, artists would just use AI to adapt to their BS sched

>>280493238
wtf bros. what am i gonna read now?

>>280493328
Tracing is a direct copy but ai is an indirect one

>webtoon
Not even the real Wind Breaker. Fuck off.

>>280493353
Tracing is human and is therefore art
AI is machine and is not art

The girls in this series are hot as fuck

>>280493158 (OP)
Was it really that bad? Artists use references all the time.

>>280493372
It seems like you don't understand the difference between a reference and tracing.

Christ.

>>280493158 (OP)
Why did he bother tracing when his art already looks like AI anyway?

>>280493364
Machines are allowed to draw too, especially when they've already proven to be better at it than most humans.

Wind Breaker is made by Nii Satoru and doesn't have 500 chapters.
There's no information that it's cancelled.
https://pocket.shonenmagazine.com/title/01310/episode/419955

>>280493381
I understand that referencing can end up very similar, borrowing pose, lighting and perspective.

ok so if I "trace" different parts of my art piece from 1000000 different sources is it bad? or is it original then? what if i "trace" it from 5000 different sources? 10? 2? at what number is it "tracing" and at what number is it ok?

>>280493483
Yes. Difference between inspiration and plagiarism is how many you used

>>280493158 (OP)
>wearing a face mask with the nose hanging out
don't know this dude but deserved i'm sure

>>280493158 (OP)
>Gooks

>>280493330
I think it's very likely that schedules will only get tighter in the future as AI becomes more prevalent, hell, at this point I won't be too surprised if some gooktoons quietly go full AI with no human involvement.
>>280493449
Better is pretty subjective here, they do well on details, but usually struggle with making composition mesh well, especially when they have to keep things consistent.

>>280493500
Problem is also stealing from your own medium.

>>280493457
That's just copying, not "referencing", which is also not very good but obviously not as bad as tracing. Also, copying from real life to animango is one thing, but doing so from other art is mega cringe.

This isn't the same thing as the source.material of the anime right? How confusing.

>>280493457
Can I get the source of this reference? For educational purposes.

>pose reference is tracing

No, no no no no NO AND FUCKING NO

>>280493743
>p-pose reference
what kind of cope is this

>>280493743
>one pic is literally someone holding a pic on a phone up to the page and the pic fits perfectly in the frame
forget tracing, this is straight up copy paste

Manhwa should have never been in color. That’s an absurd amount of time getting taken up to add to your schedule. Guy’s been working for over a decade and this is his goodbye.

>>280493450
Different Wind Breaker.

>>280493158 (OP)
I know who is going to be his successor.

>>280493449
Better? On opposite day maybe

>>280493915
even the artstyle is the exact copy

>>280493934
But they are better. They draw faster and don't trace blatantly unlike the ""professional"" ""artists"" of this industry.
Humans try pointing fingers at AI but then get exposed as talentless hacks, kek.

Oh man that su-
>different Wind Breaker
Nevermind.

>>280493956
What is your favorite street to shit in?

>>280493158 (OP)
new kwaboty?

>>280493958
Why put that much effort in animation? Just add more impact frames, it would look cooler.

>>280493913
Why is it on /a/ then?

>>280493982
kwaboat kekkypowpow fr

>>280493158 (OP)
Kek what a retard, if you really have to trace something then trace from real life images and movies. Not a single mangaka ever got in hot water for doing this since every reader just thought it's a cool reference.

>>280494083
There have been a number of disgraced artists caught tracing (not merely referencing) photographs.

>>280494117
The key is to only trace famous ones to pass it off as an homage

>>280493158 (OP)
Love to see it. Gooks can only enjoy media in the format of it being stolen. No soul or originality.

>>280494170
>>280494117
>>280493457
Plenty got away with it kek

>>280493483
That's an abstract thought that can't actually be applied in the real world and as such is irrelevant.

>>280494170
No. Too famous is a problem too.

>>280494170
The key is being and to at least design a different character or pose them differently. It's one thing to use a reference to make sure the character has the right size hands or length of arms for their age or because you're brain farting on how a body looks in a certain position and you need to just see it to pose your Mannikin but copying it 1:1 down to the clothes and hair is obscene. Even using the pose exactly as is isn't good.

>>280493158 (OP)
>>280493238
>webtoon
not manga

>>280494422
Can you stfu. No one cares about copying from real life.

>>280494510
Or outside of your medium.

>>280494530

>>280494556
Iconic.

>>280493158 (OP)
>Wind Breaker webtoon version nobody ever heard about before this thread got AXED*
fixed

Not anime or manga
>>>/co/

>series that nobody cares about is gone
Nobody was reading it

Wrong "Wind Breaker" got axed. That one was actually decent even if sometimes author dipped in the melodrama too mutch

Real shame

>>280493158 (OP)
Hammurabi that gook's hands NOW!

>>280493483
It's tracing when it's blatant

>>280493158 (OP)
WHAT!? The series was really good, now I'm sad

>>280493414
Dammn maybe this manga is worth reading

Tracing a photo ≠ Tracing an illustration. This should be common sense. The former is done constantly abd the later is taboo.

>cheating is so normalized even authors do it
why is cycling like this?

>>280493550
yeah this is significant too. direct 'theft' from your actual peers, it's a shitty look in any medium or industry and hardly tolerated in film and literature either. using real world stuff is different because you're pulling from a completely different form of expression and transforming it into another, a feat in itself

>>280495690
Nah, the right Wind Breaker get the axe

>>280493238
KEKAROOOOOO

>>280496416
Do you think gookslop slurpers understand that?

Where's this adorable alcoholic from?

>>280493158 (OP)
I mean isn't it obvious? Hell I'm suspecting a lot of weebtons are using some 3D AI which is why a lot of characters look the fucking same

>>280496955
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99895720
https://x.com/dnwls3010

>>280494334
>trace a cute boy
>make him uglier
What's this guy's problem

>>280494000
Cause it's bait

>>280493915
>>280493950
Lol, what a trash series

>>280494334
I really do think Togashi just cannot fucking draw and doesn't enjoy it even if he could. Why does he go on?

>Draws a character smiling at angle
>I was the first to draw it so I own that angle, lighting, shading, and pose
>That's copyright, you are copying me I am taking you to court
Artists are fucking psychopathic freak monsters.

>>280496957
I was about to say, why the fuck basically all gookshit looked the same.

>>280493166
>fake gay
that webstoons and kpop in a nutshell...

>>280493158 (OP)
Gooksisters...

>>280494586
>>280494556
>>280494530
this shit good

>>280495782
LMAO

AI will make Referencing look like a Joke

>>280493414
Fuck, just let him trace

>>280493158 (OP)
Japanese artists like even Toyo, who draws Dragon Ball Super manga, draw a lot more than that, so if this results in this kind of punishment, why aren't they being punished?
I've never heard of this resulting in such punishments, it seems unfair to me.

>>280500288
trace* a lot more than that
I mean, why is he the only one being punished when so many artists, including artists from much bigger franchises, trace much more? Is it because he's not Japanese?

What I don't understand: if it's just something REALLY fucking basic, like the OUTLINE of something... Why not just use ai for that? Tell chatgpt or nai to make a image in that basic position and that's it. I

>>280500998
Like check >>280493158 (OP) out. In these images basically everything is different but the pose. The angles of the mouth are slightly different, the eyes are different, the definition of the neck is different. At that point, why not simply use midjourney specifically? It can easily do these poses and retain a artstyle and body shape. So you can endlessly create all types of images. Doesn't matter really how it looks like, of the outline is that what your after. For 60 bucks you can nuke 100s of images the hour and activate the privacy setting (stealth mode). Like literally, infinite material on demand for just a few bucks. Like he traced SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC MOMENTS OF THE MOST ICONIC MANGAS. You're trash from Tokyo ghoul? Really?
I know for a fact that many japs already use ai for that and that's perfectly fine. It's just the outline. Shexo and many others all trave and then use ai but tracing from the most well known mangaMOMENTS? Did he really think nobody would notice?

>>280500288
Didn't toyo just copy the pose >>280493956
This guy traced entire faces

>>280493158 (OP)
>got AXED due to author
Every time I read some variation of this, I just get annoyed we're never getting more Act-Age.

>webtr**n/g**kshit
Yawn
Not [le goodnewserino™] enough, that crossdressing pseudodelinquent shounencancer needs to go too

>>280501211
Because AIs is full of weird fuck up you'd have to fix and would be almost immediately found out.

>>280493621
>>280493457
he bought the rights to do that.
it was a different case.

>>280494556
>>280494530
>>280494510
these are homages

>>280493260
This

/thread

>>280493353
not really]you can train AI on any mangakas artstyle ive seen csm style generated dbs crackships

If you're reading korean slop, you're not a weeb, just a normie who wanted to act like one. You should be perma b& from /a/

>>280493158 (OP)
How come Togashi can get away with tracing just fine?

>>280503225
Why this faggot can't go full doujinshi? its not that hard.
>use a sockpuppet of "an ActAge fan inspired by the author, someone who wants to finish the story"
>an artist could open a paid channel to help him with art (Patreon, Fantia, Gumroad, etc)
>change names, locals, etc
>shove ecchi/hentai
>release it for french/italian readers first, refuse to release it in nipland just because
>????

>>280493958
>Minimalist VFX. They let the fist do the telling
That look kino wtf.

>>280505110
Tell me about it.

>>280493549
>>280493330
Another manwha artist already got into deep shit for using AI. He got caught because one of the panels straight up had fucking Groot from GoTG in them.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/anime/news-south-korean-artist-accused-stealing-mushoku-tensei-designs-using-ai
So no, it's not really much of an option when it can backfire even harder than normal tracing.

>>280496957
>>280503832
That is too much money

>>280505110
>>280506487
it looks weird, like there are missing frames

>>280506580
The main problem for that is literally that these people are overdoing it. Logically, you just need to have a base frame and then draw over it, that's it. What these people are doing is that they literally use the base AI image and paste part of it into their final panel. AI + tracing is literally undetectable, because everyone that does trace , in theory, can draw. It's just that they now just need a tenth of the time to draw. The problem with tracing using existing images on the internet is, that just one person needs to detect that. One. Because then you can just make that comparison you overlay these two images aaaaaand you're fucked. However if you trace over AI images nobody can prove that. When people ask for proof nobody can give proof. I have no idea why these idiots use the MOST obvious images for that. THE EXACT SAME goes for using ai images as is. A single glitch, a single fuck up, and everyone can point that out, magnify that and it's over for you. Tracing over AI images is 100% safe.

>>280493158 (OP)
TOTAL DERIVATIVE KOREAN SLOP INDUSTRY DEATH

>>280506580
Eh, unless he got canned, it's not a bad backlash
We shouldn't be too quick to judge when their sched is destroying them

>>280493158 (OP)
> plagiarism
Yeah, sure. Have you people heard of isekais copying literally everything from each other?

Tracing images is just something at which publishers draw the line. They own the right to spread specific images, and they do business on those images. Allowing someone else to copy them (no matter how important the thing is) is axing your own business model. That's why this kind of copying is promoted to crime against humanity, and others are not only widespread, but planned parts of the business. You know competitors will make copies of successful manga or anime to hop on the trend, even if it doesn't really exist.

For the same reason, music publishers will sue you to death for sampling anything they own, no matter how obscure or irrelevant.

>>280509134
That won't happen in your life time

gookfag coping hard itt

Those are are momages and preferences.

>>280506580
>Groot
Holy kek

>Crappy Manhwa get cancelled
Business as usual then

>>280493158 (OP)
another bites the dus... wwait a min...
>manhwa
nobody gives a shit about gooks

>>280509091
AI generation isn't just making new images from thin air, anon. It's a hodgepodge of existing works, that's why it's called the plagiarism machine. If you're tracing AI content, you're tracing something that already exists. It's just that unlike normal tracing, you have NO IDEA what exactly you're ripping off, which leads to situations like that where you're blindsided by people recognizing it.

Plus there's a fuckton of scientific evidence showing reliance on AI actively makes you dumber and atrophies your skills. The intention of the product is to make you dependant of AI by design.

>>280495782

>>280509091
>Tracing over AI images is 100% safe.
>t. No draw
It'll be noticeable

>>280513863
Holy shit, Marvelslop is already so CG infested and greenscreened that AI actually makes it look better than the original.

>>280493158 (OP)
Shit, it got 500 chapters? Must be quite a few seasons left to finish the anime.
>manhwa
Oh. So about twenty pictures and a few kilometers of white nothing. Ten pictures per season maybe?

>>280513863
>AI generation isn't just making new images from thin air, anon. It's a hodgepodge of existing works, that's why it's called the plagiarism machine
This isn't true, and it's called plagiarism machine by people who don't understand it. Diffusion models (the main type of "AI generation" that is popular these days, but not the only type that has been popular) are actually guided denoisers that take a 100% noisy and attempt to clean it up based on the prompt. They don't "glue together pieces of existing works" like artists on social media think.
These models are trained on massive databases of tagged images and those image tags aren't always correct or what one might expect. For instance, pictures of women wearing makeup are rarely going to be tagged with "makeup" but pictures of makeup products will be, so if you prompt for "woman with makeup" the model will produce an image of a woman and makeup products and it might even generate body horror cause it will have trouble reconciling how to generate a picture of makeup (products) and of a woman at the same time.
Similarly, what's going on in your picture is that people figured out that adding terms like "screencap" to the prompt will cause the model to produce images similar to ones that were tagged as "screencap"s in the training data (as opposed to fanart, comic panels, youtube thumbnails, movie posters, etc..).
These Stable Diffusion models in particular (like Midjourney, which uses it under the hood) are actually really small and can be run on consumer hardware. Unless you have a crap video card you can download and run these models on your computer. This does not mean that you've downloaded all of the images in the training set, as dumb social media artists would like you to believe.
All that said, relying on AI does make you dumb and people shouldn't be using it for tracing art (nor should they be using CG and real art like fucking Greg Land).