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>Spirited Away (2001) dir. Hayao Miyazaki
>Your Name (2016) dir. Makoto Shinkai
And 4 Japanese movies overall including:
>Godzilla Minus One (2023) dir. Takashi Yamazaki
>Shoplifters (2018) dir. Hirokazu Koreeda
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-movies-21st-century/

Why should someone who isn't an unthinking subhuman sheep care about "the" top 100 greatest movies as determined by anyone?

>>280497141
Why should you care about brushing your teeth in the morning? Or taking a shower?

>>280496977 (OP)
Where's demon slayer?

>>280496977 (OP)
They are not even best film of their respective years. Millenium Actress should have been picked over both of these overrated shit. Not that I expect any better from burgers.

These critics are desperate in forming their film canon because the movie industry won't last for another 20 years

>>280496977 (OP)
Doesn't Shinkai movies are basically all the same shit?
>Boy meets girl, separated by time dimension distance or sickness

>>280497603
>Doesn't Shinkai movies are basically

>>280496977 (OP)
what makes them so special?

>>280497189
Because my hygiene impacts my life, unlike an arbitrary list. Did you think you were being clever?

>>280498821
Marketing, I'd say. Chihiro won an Oscar, and Your Name was hottest topic back then, so even normies have heard about them and it's easy to sell them the idea that these are the best Japan has to offer.

>>280496977 (OP)
Hadn't heard of Godzilla Minus One, is it that good? Better than Shin Gojira?

>>280496977 (OP)
>Top 100 Greatest Movies of the 21st Century
They phrase it this way since the top 100 from the 21st Century might get 5 or 6 into the "Top 100 Ever".

>>280498872
Daily showers are purely performative. Idiot.

>>280498977
I'd say about the same quality. But it was more popular.

>>280498821
>director
>writer
>novelist
>animator
>editor
>executive producer
>lecturer
>visual arts teacher
>has a masters degree in japanese language and literature
>former video game producer and marketing director
>made his 1st film entirely by himself
>wrote the best-selling japanese novel in decades
>directed, edited and wrote the highest-grossing original Japanese film of all time
>last remaining auteur in the anime industry
>only anime director with 2 entries in the Top 4 highest-grossing Japanese films of all time
>voice actor
>manga artist
>illustrator
>businessman
>best-selling author
>multimillionaire
>independent creator
>industry consultant
>marketing director
>composer
>lyricist
>songwriter
>screenwriter
>producer
>auditioner
>acting coach
>storyboard artist
>background artist
>professional photographer
>cinematographer
>3DCG animator and designer
>director of art
>director of sound
>director of photography
>director of animation
>director of vfx
>digital painter
>graphic designer
>character designer
>sound designer
>color designer
>web designer
>music video producer
>music video director
>philanthropist
>diplomat
>curator
>otaku
>film critic
>columnist
>good-looking
>charismatic
>bequeathed family's construction empire to little brother to fully focus on anime
>Apple's poster boy in Japan
>has an asteroid named after him
>the artist most plagiarized by generative AI since its inception
>only 3rd anime director to be honored by the Academy Museum
>director of music and visual production for the Planetarium and Space Theater of Omiya
>owns all of his works
>married to a retired actress and tv producer
>little daughter is already a child actress, voice actress, dancer and singer (amazing genes)
>will still make at least 7 more feature films before retiring
>will likely end his career as the most successful Japanese director of all time at the box-office
The most talented Japanese man in history.

Ngl your name is better than any ghibli but the murican miyafanboys will never accept that.

>>280496977 (OP)
>top gun: Maverick at #2
I noped out of this site in under 10 seconds

>>280499543
I've seen a bad game get highly praised just cause it emulates ghibli style, it's a cult at this point.

>>280498977
Minus one is kinda like shin gojira if the action:meeting scenes ratio got reversed

>>280497368
Spirited Away is quite possibly the greatest movie of all time.

Am I alone in thinking Your Name wasn't that great? Like, it was fine, but I don't understand how it tuned into a massive hit. I felt like it was a mashup of a bunch of modern stock anime plots. Like Girl Who Leapt Through Time plus Summer Wars plus 5cm Per Seconds or something.

>>280499612
It's a decently fun movie, but it gets overrated because it was the one of the only decent and non-woke things to come out of Hollywood in current year + 7.

>>280496977 (OP)
OMG!

>>280499543
Shinkai has AURA

>>280496977 (OP)
spirited away was made in 20th century

>>280497216
Not in the list.

>>280496977 (OP)
>The Wind Rises
>The girl who leapt through time
>Millennium actress
>Look Back
>How do you Live
>Wolf Children
All better than Shinkaislop. But this list isn't worth considering anyway, any "normie.net best movies of all time" list is going to be retarded. There Will Be Blood didn't make the list but multiple capeshit movies did, if they can't even get hollywood movies right of course they won't pick good anime

Spirited Away actually is one of the best movies of the century but they put it one rank under the black spider-man cartoon lmao

>>280496977 (OP)
It's pretty unanimous that these two are the best

>>280500758
yeah, on planet retard

>>280501724
>but they put it one rank under the black spider-man cartoon lmao
are you implying that the spider-man movie is bad? just because the main character is black? that's how the brain of an american reasons?
i wouldn't say that either of the two picrel movies are better than one another. they hardly have anything in common. but implying that the spider-man movie is very bad while stating that spirited away is the best movie is retard energy

>>280499132
That's cool but nobody showers cause they assume that doing to positively impact their health. We do so for hygienic reason, like e.g. rinsing the scalp of dandruff in a man's case. So either this headline is bait or the expert are retarded.

>>280496977 (OP)
Chihiro movie is ok, not even top 3 Ghibli but why discuss it.
Your Name is the most 5/10 movie ever, what in the flying fuck fuck.

>>280496977 (OP)
>Top 100 Greatest Movies of the 21st Century
>Half of it is capeshit and movies made for literal children
Do you want to know the only real way to tell if a movie is good or not before you watch it? Ask someone who doesn't give a shit about it but was forced to watch it anyway out of availability. I'd rather listen to some parent who took their kid to the movies opinion on said movie any fucking day of the week over "critics" and fans, and i suggest anyone reading this should do the same

>>280502144
>are you implying that the spider-man movie is bad?
no
>just because the main character is black?
no
>that's how the brain of an american reasons?
I'm not american

>i wouldn't say that either of the two picrel movies are better than one another.
Yeah and I'm the retard here. Spidernigger is a fun movie with nicer visuals than other modern CGI animated movies but it's still a cynical corporate product of one of the biggest IP's in the word hitting every mark of what was popular at the time
>meta
>multiverse
>raceswapped hero
>capeshit
>full of quips
Seems like the directors had a lot more creative freedom than your average capeslop movie but it's not an auteur work like Spirited Away and doesn't even come close visually or narratively.

Putting aside how highly rated Spirited Away is, it's fine if you think it's way overrated and I'm not trying to put it on a pedestal, but at least it's a personal film and singular vision. Not a superhero movie with multiple directors and executive oversight making sure it's appealing to every popular trend. The sequel to spider-verse is better btw they should of at least put that one higher

>>280502764
>in the word
in the world*

>>280502764
ok then.

>it's fine if you think it's way overrated
i didn't try to say that.
it's just begs the question of how you evaluate art if two good movies are worlds apart according to your perspective.
the way you tried to criticize "spidernigger" is you only listing off the attributes that SHOULD make it bad. which in actuality don't warrant anything.

>>280496977 (OP)
Chainsawman movie soon too

>>280496977 (OP)
Millennium Actress and Love Exposure were more deserving than those 4. Koreeda in particular hasn't put out a great film since After Life.

>>280501724
>The Wind Rises
This was such a disappointment. I felt like there was something wrong with the move the whole time I was watching it, and then it made sense when I read it was two completely unrelated books mashed together.

>>280503259
I wouldn't expect anything out of lists where American films dominate and they're only forced to put films from other countries on there to make the bias a little less obvious.

>>280503174
Flops can't make it to this list.

>>280503113
>the way you tried to criticize "spidernigger" is you only listing off the attributes that SHOULD make it bad. which in actuality don't warrant anything.
I already said I don't think it is bad, those attributes just speak to it's artistic character. Like I said in my first post I think Spirited Away really is one of the greatest movies of the century, and it's one of my favorites of all time, so of course I think it's worlds apart from anything that was created cynically, even if it's better than most of it's kind

>>280498951
Chihiro (and most Ghibli's works) is still popular to this day. Your Name was forgotten after a few years and his other works failed to achieve the same success despite being the same story.

>>280497003
/thread

>>280503891
Really? How did it make it to the list then?

>>280503815
according to your logic, the sequel to the first spider-man movie should've had even less artistic merit, because its production had been influenced by the first movie's success, which should've allowed them to fine-tune it for maximum normie enjoyment. they even released it unfinished to deliver it faster. yet, you say that it's better. at least stay consistent in your views.

The only canon worth giving a shit about is Piero Scaruffi's.

>>280496977 (OP)
We need more original anime movies. All the franchise slop coming out now is pure garbage.

>>280496977 (OP)
>Mononoke not there.
Your name is a pop culture favorite not a cultural one. There is a huge difference between them.

Top 10 japanese movies according to Piero Scaruffi (the king of patricians)

>8.5 Akira Kurosawa: Ikiru/To Live (1952)
>8.2 Sion Sono: Love Exposure (2008)
>8.0 Satoshi Kon: Perfect Blue (1997)
>8.0 Akira Kurosawa: Shichinin No Samurai/ The Seven Samurai (1954)
>7.8 Yasujiro Ozu: Banshun/ Late Spring (1949)
>7.8 Hirokazu Kore-eda: Afterlife (1998)
>7.7 Yasujiro Ozu: Ukigusa Monogatari/ Floating Weeds (1934)
>7.7 Shohei Imamura: Dr Akagi (1998)
>7.7 Satoshi Kon: Sennen Joyu/ Millennium Actress (2001)
>7.7 Nagisa Oshima: Koshikei/ Death by Hanging (1968)

Miyazaki and Shinkai both gigamogged by Satoshi Kon.

>>280505591
What's next? Top 100 according to Digitranny?

>>280505639
Scaruffi is the most legit critic in the entire world, a random youtuber can't even hold a candle to the guy.

>>280503891
>Your Name was forgotten after a few years
Almost 10 years later and it's still the most influential modern anime film.
>his other works failed to achieve the same success
His next works are literally among the highest grossing Japanese films of all time, beating out most Ghibli films.
>despite being the same story
It's funny that you people never consider the much more straightforward reason which is that maybe they aren't the same story.

>>280506305
>It's funny that you people never consider the much more straightforward reason which is that maybe they aren't the same story.
nta, but, even after considering the possibility, nope. they are still the same fucking story, if you think about it for at least a second.

>>280496977 (OP)
>>Godzilla Minus One (2023) dir. Takashi Yamazaki
>>Shoplifters (2018) dir. Hirokazu Koreeda
The list is way more based than I expected. Both films are really good. And Shoplifters blows that overrated Oscar bait Parasite out of the water.

>>280499424
Kys

>>280501724
>>The Wind Rises
Unironically Ghibli’s best film. It’s more grounded, and they did a great job focusing on the central theme, Jiro’s dream. Easily the best film about idealism.

>>How do you live
Messy shit like that overrated Howl’s Moving Castle, where people only watch it for the vibes.

>>280506633
They're clearly not and I already know what your argument will be. Themes and style is not a story (even though pre Kimi no Na wa Shinkai and current Shinkai have very different styles). All you have is "every story is just the hero's journey" level of analysis.

>>280499424
My Goat. When is the next kino coming out?

>>280506896
"the same movie" may fit as a description better, then.
the structure is the same, target demographic is the same, character interactions are the same, likewise the characters themselves (chara design are slightly different, maybe), the music is the same, setting and locations are the same, emotions you are supposed to feel and how to relate to the characters are the same.
is there actually any difference between them if you went out of your way to say that themes and style repeat too?

>>280507814
Yeah, just like all Ghibli films are the exact same too.

>>280502144
Capeslop is not top 100 anything dude

>>280508316
probably. but at least the setting varies

>>280508391
You are an idiot.

>>280507814
>the structure is the same
I'm sure you can come up with a vague enough template that modern Shinkai follows (and keep in mind this is only 3 films). But something like 5 Centimeters per Second is structured very differently from modern Shinkai films.
>target demographic
Nothing wrong with that. Many creators keep making works for the same target demographic, especially when you have an audience as broad as Shinkai's.
>character interactions are the same, likewise the characters themselves
Taki and Mitsuha's character interactions are not the same as Souta and Suzume's.
>the music is the same
Because modern Shinkai keeps using Radwimps, but old Shinkai mainly used Tenmon, and they're as different as you can get. There's more variety there than Miyazaki constantly using Joe Hisaishi.
>setting and locations are the same
You're not going to have a good time with anime if you complain that modern day Japan keeps being used as the setting. And there are works like Hoshi no Koe and The Place Promised in our Early Days that do have different settings.
>emotions you are supposed to feel and how to relate to the characters
Same could be said about Miyazaki.
>is there actually any difference between them if you went out of your way to say that themes and style repeat too?
Is there actually any difference between Scorsese gangster films? The answer is yes.

>>280508977
>>target demographic
>Nothing wrong with that.
i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. i didn't even say that his movies are bad, even though i don't like them. you just asked to elaborate what is repetitive about them and i did.
>You're not going to have a good time with anime if you complain that modern day Japan keeps being used as the setting.
again, i didn't complain. only stated that it is the case.
>Same could be said about Miyazaki.
as i said, i agree.
>Is there actually any difference between Scorsese gangster films? The answer is yes.
you just made me realize that i actually didn't like any of his gangster movies. i haven't though of them as repetitive, even though they are very similar, now that i think about it. it's just that i didn't like the execution, just as with Shinkai's movies. the repetitiveness in and of itself is not the problem, but a bad director would consistently fail to make something work.
which is why i can find myself enjoying Ghibli movies - the execution matters more.

>>280496977 (OP)
>both mogged by KINOtsu no Yaiba
kek

>>280500758
It's not even the best Ghibli movie

>>280507180
next year apparently

>>280506633
Oh yeah, Your Name and Weathering With You are exactly the same story.