Thread 280534477

Why did Vinland Saga choose to opt for a preachy juvenile pacifism story instead of staying true to the Icelandic sagas and actual documented accounts of Erikson’s voyage to Vinland?

That was the point of the story from the very start.

Because stories are written by authors rather then bubbling up out of the aether or whatever you think happens. And the author is a fag.

>>280534541
this

>>280534793
That's kinda retarded.

oh my god I can't believe the same person who wrote Planetes would do this

>>280534793
>gets murdered by a stranger
its good to not go out and make enemies but the entire manga is a refutation of the mangaka's world view because at every turn the characters run into enemies that want them dead simply because they exist. rip that entire village askeladd came across during winter, and every village the looted, raped and plundered

>>280534844
I trust this is sarcasm.

because it was written by a preachy jap guy who didn't actually know European history very well and butchered the personality of some of the names. But: why would he? He also recognized his lack of knowledge about Europe of that era so he just totally skipped over what would've been really interesting shit to push in to some bizarre native american Buddha-prophet pacifism. He does know native americans were savage warriors who took scalps of enemy tribes not a bunch of peacenik hippies right

>>280534541
>Thorfin survived because his father was a violent warrior who knew how to fight
>Thorfin survived because he was a violent and feisty little shit
>Thorfin survived by pillaging
>Askeladd saved Thorfin by beheading the king or something
>the prince got his throne because of that beheading
Nice pacifism message you got there.

>>280537039
Thorfinn also defuses Canut's invasion because he's a supernaturallly gifted warrior who's able to take 100 punches from a seasoned viking which gets enough people's attention they let him talk to the king. Had he just been some guy who went down after 1-2 blows his pacifism would have come to nothing.

The pacifism message is ultimately undermined when the only reason Thorfinn can carry on with it is because when his back is against the wall he can reluctantly fight his way out of whatever bad situation he's in while also being skilled enough to overpower but not have to kill his opponent. This even got unintentionally highlighted in the recent chapters where Einar ends up having to kill a guy in combat. It's treated like he had a choice but he really didn't: either he killed the guy or got killed pointlessly himself, and the only reason Thorfinn "has a choice" in the multiple similar situations he's been in is because he knows non-lethal viking kung fu. It's a retarded double standard.

>>280536870
Sadly it resorts to new age guru shit but I guess an overworked mangaka doesn’t have time to really research history like that. He would’ve needed a history autist as an editor/writer.

>>280537429
fuck this gay manga and its pacifism right. but you can only be peaceful if you have the capacity for violence, without it you are not peaceful, you are harmless.

This no enemies shit aint even jesus style peace

>>280535000
It's not a refutation if he acknowledges the cycle

>>280539326
as >>280537429 said he's only alive because of mc superman levels of plot armour and sometimes the only way to deal with violence is superior violence.

>>280537039
that's only 15% of the story tho

>>280539326
But he never figured out how to make it work, the only reason he's even alive is because he's fucking superhuman.

The author probably wants to say something like, Thorfinn has the right idea even if it's difficult. Keep struggling for pacifism! But for the reader it just looks like pacifism is retarded and cucked beyond belief.

It's a good message, even if unintended.

>>280537039
>>280537429

Good posts. Author should’ve made Thorfinn Jesus if he wanted to attempt to make his message convincing. But even Jesus was whipping people and absolutely abhored pharisees. So, so much for no enemies.

>>280536870
> He does know native americans were savage warriors who took scalps of enemy tribes not a bunch of peacenik hippies right

Probably not if he got his info from USA’s jew box. They just shed tears over litter.

>>280539326
its not a cycle though
its a one way thing

Psychopaths hurt people, and you either let it happen of stop them with force

Its not a cycle because they will do it if you are nice to them. but stop if you kill them
and new psychopaths that are born will act that way regardless of the past

Because the author's a fucking moron and a terrible writer and the series should've ended after chapter 50. I read up until the native americans showed up and the author decided to break his own fucking rules by showing the native american guy getting high and magically predicting, you guessed it, nukes, made by "white men" (because he's a fucking moron and doesn't understand that jews and whites are two different groups of fucking people). But besides that you had great moments after chapter 50, like thorfinn somehow convincing a bunch of vikings with facts and logic amazingathiest style, or....I don't know man, I've never felt like I've wasted more time reading a fucking manga. Skip it, don't bother, it's fucking garbage. Hypocritical fucking garbage.

>>280534477 (OP)
The majority of mangaka don't actually research anything about the topics they write about.

See: that one guy who made the "Latina girl" manga and it was actually a brazilian(not latina) girl named Latina-chan who didn't act brazilian in any way and was just some generic manga 'island girl' archetype.

For as bad as you think the USA is, Japan is still dominated by television culture, so television is as far as they go.

>>280542344
>need violence to stop violence
>violence never stops
>try to escape violence
>violence and suffering even if you try to escape cycle to a whole new land
The author is prolly Buddhist, so that's how I imagine he sees it, it depends on the ending if he ever succeeds in finding pacifism or not

>>280534477 (OP)
Didn't this manga have like medieval norse trannies.

Doesn't that tell you all you need to know?

Hee traveled to Sweden and "learned" things

>>280546365
Norway*

>>280546099
I'm not familiar with the manga so I can't comment on the plausibility of its portrayal, but I found these to be interesting reads
>https://www.gordsellar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/regardless-of-gender.pdf
>https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-archaeology/article/woman-with-a-sword-weapon-grave-at-suontaka-vesitorninmaki-finland/33A89DB1D7E4900F017833D87C997D3D

>>280548033
Why are you posting leftist academicslop from some bald guy's TTRPG website.

>>280548611
Because it's relevant to anon's post? Feel free to download it through JSTOR instead if you have access.
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/2928638

Why does this manga make violent thirdies seethe so much?

Pacifism is a white ideology, of course it makes shitskins seethe uncontrollably.

>>280548914
No, fake pacifism is a white ideology. Pretend you're good people, then spread disease, rape and enslave.

>>280545211
... brazillians aren't latinos?

>>280537429
Ya The Karate Kid does this much better
>you should want to become good enough at karate that you won't have to fight anymore

>>280534477 (OP)
Because the Author is Japanese.
They've never recovered from getting giga bitched in WW2 and now make Pacifism a virtue because they have no real chance of exerting military might

>>280548033
>As bone material from the Suontaka grave consists of only two highly degraded femur fragments
Not even a story

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>>280534477 (OP)
Because it's a faux-sophisticated battle shonen that merely deploys "pacificism" as a plot device and source of entertainment for the audience (instead of boring, painful, humiliating nonviolent resistance like IRL). Jujutsu Kaisen, Choujin X/Tokyo Ghoul, and Tenkaichi: Nihon are all genuinely more adult meditations on the nature and consequences of violence than VS.

>>280549014
Most Brazilians hold themselves separate, since they are culturally and linguistically distinct.

Brazilians aren't latino(American terminology), but they are latinoamericano(geographical term).