Is this true?

>>280536695 (OP)
Even Buddha had enemies
The fuck is this retard spouting?

>>280536695 (OP)
Yes.

Enemies! We need enemies!

>>280536695 (OP)
>>280536930
>>280537062
>>280537147
You are all stupid gaijin who don't understand the meaning, the way it was said in Japanese. In Japanese, it is much more understandable. He doesn't mean like no one will ever want to hurt him. You are just too dumb. Ugh.

>>280536695 (OP)
Fuck that

>>280536930
Buddha's "enemies" were internal issues in his path of ascension, metaphors. Remember that Buddha was just a guy overcoming worldly ties, not a deity. Some version of Buddhism make him into a god like being, and make his inner demons into very real demons, or mix Buddhism with Hinduism, but the basis is exactly that material issues only affect you so far as you let it.

>>280536695 (OP)
It's an idealist concept, but certainly something to consider. Enemies are just a load to carry and word, but there is no physical concept of enmity. I had hated people plenty, and wished them harm, even caused them harm, but I can't say It did me any good. Was it worth it? Why do it?

As advanced as we like to pretend we are, humans as a whole still celebrate violence as truth despite the fact that there is no real logical connection between the two.

>>280537259
>the way it was said in Japanese. In Japanese, it is much more understandable
It's just a double entendre
"no enemy" is phonetically むてき "muteki"
むてき as a single word can be interpreted as 無敵 (lit. invincible, unrivaled)
So he's saying "you have no enemies" and the boy/us the readers could also understand it as "you are invincible"

>You have to let people kill your parents and rape your women. Revenge is le bad. Because revenge is a endless cycle. If you do bad things to others then bad things will inevitably happen to YOU.

>>280536695 (OP)
Like most idealistic beliefs they only work in fiction which is why such concepts like the "power of friendship" fixing everything are such popular repeated tropes.

I'm not cynically implying it's worthless just that it's idealized and utopian fantasy, cut and dry

>>280536695 (OP)
yes

>>280537747
>You have to let people kill your parents and rape your women
Revenge doesn't stop this. If your parents were killed and your women raped, then you already let it happen. You can't unkill or unfuck those people.
What you speak of is retribution, which can never "fix" anything. At best, it's purely therapeutic.

>>280537911
But anon, don't you know?
The Illuminist philosophers, who were the best 'cause they are the basis for the modern world by rejected the bad and problematic stuff of the past, said that we're living in the best of all possible worlds!
Picrel had a better grasp of what humanity is than any philosopher

>>280537553
>Was it worth it? Why do it?
the fuck are you smoking? if someone enters your house at night you would have to kill them or else they might kill you or your family
but oh no, le "if i kill them, i'm as evil as them", fuck that stupid logic, "you have no enemies" has to be the most worthless message ever, like eating a person, we all know it's a bad thing, yet the people who had the accident in los andes had to eat from the dead to stay alive and tell the tale, it's all about context and depending of the context the "you have no enemies" loses complete relevance, like no matter what, it's not even about hate, you would have to kill to survive

>>280537723
We're *Title Card*

>>280538597
NTA but this is why it only works in fiction where the author has complete control and can push his narrative, he can freely bend the context of the story to pretend his ideal is correct.
Vinland Saga is stupid.

>>280537259
Stop projecting.

>>280538174
Bro dude was just a degen writing whatever

>>280539155
>degen
You don't understand humanity
You have a distorted vision of what a human is

>>280537259
So true

>>280536695 (OP)
nah it's the most naive hippy bullshit forced messaging that ruined a great manga

>>280539605
>ruined a great manga
That dialogue is from chapter 7
It ruined 6 whole chapters?

Meaningless violence against the innocent = evil
Meaningful violence against evil = righteousness
Obfuscating these simple rules with charlatan semantic trickery = evil

>>280539653
yea cause it doesn't go full retard with it until Thorfinn grows up

>>280539693
define evil

The only person i knew that repeated that shit, throw himself from a building after being acussed of raping his lil brother

>>280539710
Anon if an author makes a scene like that at the beginning of his story you have to be retarded to think that's not going to be the direction the whole manga is going to be
>my boy, violence is bad, you have no enemies
What do you think is going to happen?
>the old man was a retard, better to kill than be killed
or
>rape my village, go on, I have no enemies and won't fight back

>>280539751
Jews

>>280539845
Was he saying that because he read it in Vinland Saga or was his general view of life even before? Or maybe he never read/seen VS?
It would be funny either way

>>280539751
least canned pacitard reply

>>280539751
A spook

>>280539751
>replying to keywords instead of posts like a robot

>>280536695 (OP)
I have plenty of enemies. Jews, jew ass kissers, faggots, niggers, redditors, trannys, jannies, chinks, pajeets, romanians, and pitbulls to name a few.

>>280540386
>no muslims
>hates dogs
sus

>>280536695 (OP)
No.
>>280537467
Why better philosophy.

>>280537723
Thanks for explaining that, you're a good anon.

unlike (YOU) >>280537259 who have only enemies

>>280540026
This takes me back.

>>280536695 (OP)

>>280538166
It’s scum removal.

>>280539751
people i don't like

>>280538597
If someone enters your house at night, it's probably because they want to steal something from you, not because they hold a personal grudge against you. They might kill you to make stealing from you easier, so you're still justified in killing them to protect your family, but it's worth thinking about what qualifies as an "enemy". There are probably ways to construct society so that nobody would want to break into other peoples houses at night in the first place, and thus removing the need for you to violently protect yourself.

"You have no enemies" means there's nobody out there who's existence is ontologically opposed to your's, to the point where there is zero chance of coexistence.

>>280539266
Do tell. I’m curious. What is a human, according to you and de Sade.

>>280539751
Selfishness. We all have it, and it’s a matter of balance. Like all things.

>>280541345
A human is anything a human is and does.
Are you familiar with the latin sentence "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto"?
"I am human and nothing human is alien to me"
That to the extreme is what a human is to Sade (and me)
There is no human act, thought, habit or emotion that is inhuman within the human.
The rapist and the rapist's victim are identically human; the slave driver and the whipped slave are both human.
To think that humans can exhibit aspect of something that isn't human is to project ideas of what the world OUGHT to be; but that is to reject reality.
If you read about a dude that kidnaps a prebuscent girl, rapes her, cuts off her hands and foot, eats her poop and then burn her alive and fucks her corpse, then think "this is not a human being" you are dissociating what a human IS in order to force an arbitrary idea of what you'd want a human to be.
To paint demons or angels upon humans is to force an arbitrary narrative where only mere mortals are.

>>280540386
That's a you problem my man

>>280536695 (OP)
Yes, you don't have enemies. However, you NEED an enemy.

>>280537467
It was hot seeing the whore killed off.
She deserved it.

>>280536695 (OP)
Nuh uh

>>280537147
We need a new driver, this one is DEAD!

Live life the way you see fit, the world is yours. Mon himself said so.

>>280539915
This

>>280536695 (OP)
Beta male series.

>>280541265
You are just making up a different meaning for the word so you can claim the statement is correct. What you described is not the definition of “enemy”.

>>280536695 (OP)
This is exactly what your enemy would tell you to get you to drop your guard.

>>280539751
Your reply

>>280536695 (OP)
>dies and lets his son become a slave and later a cuckold
good philosophy

>>280536695 (OP)
No. There are real differences in what people think life is and should be about, and these differences are irreconcilable.

>>280548691
It's almost as bad of a philosophy as this.

>>280548594
>>280538597
I would say that the very definition you have there is pretty much on point with what's being said to you. And that's discounting using a dictionary poorly to try to make an argument.

In the hypothetical that a person "gets into your house to steal" said person objective is not to harm you specifically; you are not the objective; he is not opposed to you as a person but seeking satisfaction or gain. It's the same in general.
Said person steals from you, gets stopped or not, do you dedicate your life to that person? Is he your enemy now? Why? Is your life better if you cause him harm?

I think it speaks of inexperience with life to confuse having two opposed goals with being an enemy.

In the context of the manga this is world that very often sees war, and therefore is probably filled with propaganda and people that will skin alive somebody because they came from "X" place or "Y", in fact that's ASkeladd whole theme, that's what Thorfinn does as a child; dedicate himself to somebody (or several somebodies') out of hate and to their own demerit; the objective is to cause harm to somebody else despite the fact that it does you no good, other than momentary satisfaction, if that.


I don't think I need to go deeper into this, it really is a waste of time. If you get it, that's great, if you don't, unironically you might at some point, or maybe you will die thinking about how much hate somebody. That's not for me to worry about.

>>280549654
I’m not >>280538597
I’m just pointing your bulshit. If someone tries to hurt me or people dear to me that person is an enemy. If someone tries to sabotage me at work that is an enemy as well. An enemy could have been a friend or maybe an enemy can become a friend in future but this doesn’t means that there are no enemies just like how nobody is born a cook but this doesn’t means that there are no cooks.