>awww look at that, he's giving her mercy, what a nice guy...

>>280561695 (OP)
not funny

>>280562819
It's not supposed to be funny, it's what fatefags actually believe.

i was shocked when Gil just destroyed her in UBW

Why do people like Gilgamesh again, aside from wanting to suck his cock?

>>280564422
I'm watching UBW right now and he's like the only likeable character besides Archer. Simply for being a good villain. I don't see how anyone can like Emiya, the guy is plot armor incarnate.

>>280564787
He's a boring, one note psycho villain you can find in a thousand other stories.

>>280565097
I dunno there's a certain charm to a guy that does whatever the fuck he wants and completely breaks the established rules. Though I don't get why he's so evil. I guess the Grails mud affected his personality too

>>280564787
>the guy is plot armor incarnate
I don't really consider this necessarily negative. Throughout history, some of the most famous heroes and characters were those with a can-do attitude, grit, and luck on their side. I don't find it inherently more compelling if a character only succeeds through skill and wit. Shirou's psychosis and absolutely insane leaps in logic coupled with his determination make him interesting enough for me to root for him.

>>280565284
>I guess the Grails mud affected his personality too
Explicitly not the case actually. Gilgamesh just has the propensity for evil within him because he sees himself as judge, jury, and executioner for all living things. The Grail mud's only effect was to grant him a flesh and blood body. What turned him to such extremes was living in the world and learning about the current state of human society. He found it hedonistic, wasteful, and self-sabotaging, and so he came to the conclusion that it was better to cull the wheat from the chaff.

>>280566587
I do consider it a negative, because instead of writing your story to make sense it doesn't and unless you're gurren lagann this shit is lazy. I get that conflict and battle in this show are all for the narrative and powerscaling is pointless but Emiya should have died dozens of times in this show without any hope of survival.

Lancer should have re-killed him in EP1, he doesn't because...he lets him go over and over for no real reason.
Archer should have killed him after their falling out with Caster.
Rider should have killed him in the forest
Gilgamesh should have killed him when he screamed like a retard after seeing Ilyia get killed. Gilgamesh just conveniently got bored
and so many more moments of pure plot convenience.

I hope the other fate routes are better than this. Or that the VN justifies this guys immortal status better as this is too obnoxious.

>>280566697
That sounds like a generic JRPG villain
>humans are bad… so humans must die!
Sounds like something a downie would say

>>280566697
>and so he came to the conclusion that it was better to cull the wheat from the chaff
Does that mean he's keeping the chaff?

>>280566697
he said the only people worthy of serving him in the modern era are the people that survive the hell the holy grail would unleash.

>>280567381
There are as many as 40 bad ends in the VN

>>280567725
So it's probably not the best transition from VN to to anime. Seeing the guy die would have helped with the whole actions have consequences thing.

>>280567862
You also get paragraphs upon paragraphs of inner monologues throughout the VN from Shirou's perspective that are outright never expressed in the anime. A few lines get turned into spoken ones but that's it. He's barely holding on for half of UBW while ignoring the fact he's been a wreck his whole life. Guy's been sleeping 4 hours a day ever since he got adopted due to his nightmares and busy schedule he imposes on himself.
As for bad ends, yeah he gets mutilated, crushed, possessed and skewered several times over. For instance, if you try and use a Command Spell to call Saber when Rider has you pinned to a tree, she'll tear Shirou's arm off in an instant and leave him screaming while he bleeds out. You also get options that punish you for playing it too safe, like not trying to save Illya when she gets cornered by Gil

>>280567462
He's an ancient 2/3s demigod from the dawn of humanity who oversaw a comparatively small but advanced civilization that persisted through extreme adversity and his own childish whims. He sees value in the few who make the most of their lives and has utter disdain for the wasteful and unnecessary. Humanity got too large and too complacent for his liking and they don't have enough to show for it in his eyes. Since he sees himself as the judge of humanity, that means they have to die in the millions to be paired back to a smaller group that will climb back up to prosperity.

>>280567579
Exactly. He wanted to cull man's numbers and leave only the fit and worthy. Even being lucky enough to survive the Grail's influence would be a virtue in his eyes.

>>280566697
He's so based.

>>280567381
The thing to remember about the adaptation, as the other anon pointed out, is that it's essentially the singular line through the UBW route that results in Shirou succeeding. It's the course of events where he makes the exact right choices and fate conspires to see him through.
>Lancer
He doesn't exactly enjoy killing innocents, but he did come for him after he realized Shirou was revived. His heart wasn't exactly in it when he showed up to finish him off, and then Saber appeared to protect Shirou and Lancer's orders to scout and then leave kicked in.
>Archer
Archer wanted to make Shirou suffer out of spite for himself. He wanted catharsis for his own past foolish decisions. Immediately killing Shirou wouldn't be the same as making him see the error of his ways before drowning in despair and dying.
>Rider
Throughout the VN, you see that Rider isn't taking things too seriously because she really only wants to act for Sakura's sake. She rarely goes all-out and it's not really until the final route she really does everything she can.
>Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh is basically the anti-plot armor man. He will do everything he can to sabotage himself out of hubris. He has an insanely haughty disposition and loathes going out of his way to kill those he sees as beneath him. He'd rather humble them and let them try to reach for him again later if they can.
The VN definitely conveys all of this better, I will give you that.

>>280568416
>You also get options that punish you for playing it too safe, like not trying to save Illya when she gets cornered by Gil
Not exposing yourself, a guy without a servant, to an arrogant murderous demi-god is somehow playing it too safe? Nothing can convince me that Gilgamesh would not have skewered him right there and then.

maybe you meant some other route but in UBW Shirou should have been a piece of meat on a pole the exact moment he did this.

>>280567725
and you get to avoid all of them to get to the true end, no? that's plot armor

>>280568736
If you decide to stay back, you don't get the flashback of Illya and Berserker and instead just get "It can't be helped..."'d into giving up. If you go, Shirou shouts to Gil but Illya dies anyway and him and Rin are forced to act, revealing Berserker's goal of protecting Illya and also making Shinji come out and be perfect bait for Gil to be forced into retreating.
It's one of the more nebulous choices in the game, but it shows Shirou's character well. Sometimes you have to be cocky and play it loose with the options because Shirou's got survivor's guilt and barely cares if he dies to save someone or help someone out

>>280568750
No, that's just "the plot." Let's not act like that "plot armor" is bad on its own anyway. Shirou made the series of decisions that allowed him to get where he was. People are not perfect actors with complete knowledge of every single outcome or consequence and they have their own biases that guide them to where they end up. Making less-than-ideal decisions or getting lucky is a fact of life and I abhor the idea that characters in fiction must accomplish everything through deliberate and exact decision-making when life is not held to the same standard. Fiction isn't about ideal scenarios where everything works out logically.
Loads of stories only work through convenient coincidences and contrivances. This applies to mythology as well, but many of those stories are among history's most celebrated.

>>280568736
>Nothing can convince me that Gilgamesh would not have skewered him right there and then
That just isn't in line with his character. Gilgamesh wouldn't spend one of his precious treasures on shooting some shouting mongrel who is protesting his judgment from the peanut gallery. Watch when he chooses to actually attack people throughout the show. He never really does so mindlessly and the VN conveys very clearly when he bothers to do so.
In the end though, fortune favors the bold.

>>280568881
you're saying this completely illogical and stupid decision is okay because the narrative gets to be shown off, and if you choose not to check out the flashback he just gives up? That's kinda stupid? He barely knows this girl.

>>280569032
In Zero Gilgamesh shot Berserker for looking at him the wrong way.
I'm pretty sure Emiya even insulted him during their first meeting. Calling him a bastard. Now why would good old Gil let this puny faggot worm live after something like that? It would take 5 seconds tops to kill him unless you account for plot armor in which case Gil gets a heart attack and dies

>>280564422
They didn’t much back in FSN. Zero’s characterization recontextualized him from a sadistic last boss to an arrogant yet understanding king. Subsequent entries went with that, with Gil gauging people and his sharp tongue being more superficial although the deadly pride got amped up for balance.
As a result when Nasu wrote him again in CCC his personality became a cross of the one he had in FSN and Zero, further handwaving as his demigod trait modifies him to the humanity of the time (so in the 5th war they were bigger cunts than the 4th and that changed him) and that’s the personality used since then.
FGO’s Caster Gil is the end result of that as Gilgamesh backs up what he said at the banquet in Zero, he knows he can win in Babylonia if he fights as usual but only he himself would live and everyone else dies so he actually bothers with working hard, armed his people with his weapons lead them to their survival for his self-satisfaction.

>>280568699
>Gilgamesh is basically the anti-plot armor man
This is the only explanation that makes sense. And even then I'm not happy about it.

>>280561695 (OP)
Why does this make people mad?
Illya is literally a psycho and deserved far worse.

What about ko-Gil? He's definitely aware of how his regular self is like and can't really fathom it

>YAMERO TIMMAY
South Park reference? Based ufotable.

>>280569232
>In Zero Gilgamesh
Zero is inconsistent with the renditions of the characters in Stay Night in several places and it's important to remember it was written AFTER Stay Night. It's a semi-canon prequel because it has details that are not consistent with factual information given in Stay Night proper.
That said, Gilgamesh often doesn't give a shit if people try to badmouth him unless they try to face him in battle. Berserker got fired on because he interrupted his show and looked at him with intent to kill. Shirou is beneath his notice and he couldn't give less of a shit about him, his words, or his fruitless struggling. It's why Shirou confronting him at the end of the route was such a shock to him when the tides started to turn and why he was so hesitant to take him seriously until it was too late.

>>280571092
Zero Is NOT FSN prequel

>>280571703
Read the rest of the line, Anon-kun.
>semi-canon prequel
It is obviously tells a version of the events that take place before Stay Night, but the details are fudged. It's a "prequel" even if it was written afterward.
You don't need to give me the guff about it. I am well aware of the differences between Zero and the actual pre-Stay Night events.

>>280571897
nta what are those differences?

>>280566587
>psychosis and absolutely insane leaps in logic
Why is mental retardation interesting or support-inducing?

>>280565097
He doesn't get a lot of screentime in Fate so he doesn't wear out his welcome

>>280572778
I'm of the same opinion, this approach only ever works in shows like Gurren Lagann where the entire setting is ridiculous and allows for logic to be discarded

>>280572603
There are some differences in how Kirei came to understand his own nature and Gilgamesh's relationship with him. Kirei largely came to understand his enjoyment of others' suffering before the events of Zero and he chose his actions without really having to be pushed to it.
Kiritsugu's relationship with Saber was also subtly different as they had barely met and he only really interacted with her once.

>>280572778
Because even though Shirou is severely mentally ill and ridden with survivor's guilt, he still has a drive to do good even if it's to derive personal satisfaction from seeking the same genuine happiness Kiritsugu felt in finding him alive. There's also an element of morbid curiosity to it, but "mental retardation" doesn't mean someone can't be compelling.

Funny thing about UBW is that they never explained what that necklace that Tohsaka used to save Emiya even did

>>280561695 (OP)
it was her _____________fate

>>280573868
it's not an UBW-exclusive event and what Rin does there is explained. In the VN, of course.

>>280562819
i laughed

>>280568437
I would remind this fucking faggot that he erased and killed one of the traitor guys in his life and burned his palace down. As a result, his palace is one of the few actual remaining sites because instead of erasing him he immortalized the guy. theres more of his palace than ozymandius's statue.

>>280576710
/stay night

>>280561695 (OP)
Can someone hue shift the red into being white thanks

>>280561695 (OP)
Loli abuse is based