Thread 280620386

Is he still the only interesting romcom MC?
Every other romcom MCs feel like they're just generic copy-paste herbivore protagonist with zero personality.

>>280620386 (OP)
He's not because the writer is Hacka

>>280620428
He was still one of the best romcom MCs in recent memory before Aka completely shits the bed

>>280620386 (OP)
never was, never will be

>>280620494
After reading Oshi no Ko, it's wild how good we had it with Shirogane versus Kekqua. But to be fair, Aqua had his charms in the first half, before Aka starting shitting the bed writing wise.

>>280620494
He was decent, but aka constantly shits the bed eventually

He's not the main character

>>280620386 (OP)
Not only

>>280620386 (OP)
No, but he's pretty good. Better than Kaguya herself.

>>280620538
Name a better romcom male MC

>>280620386 (OP)
unlike every other romcom MC, he was actually allowed to get laid

>>280620753
You guys need to watch or read more romcom before making such broad statements.

>>280620386 (OP)
watch toradora

>>280620923
I like Ryuuji and he's one of the better romcom MCs but I still like Shirogane more.
It doesn't help that I fucking hate Taiga.

>>280620876
Nobody even knows B-gata H-kei anymore, you know. It's too old. Don't expect people to know about it.

>>280620386 (OP)
Are we talking only about anime romcom, not manga?
Are we ignoring romcom made for women?
Haruhi Suzumiya isn't a romcom?

If so then yes, he is.

>>280620386 (OP)
hikigaya exists and is full of personality

>>280620386 (OP)
Hayate and Nasa

>>280620386 (OP)
>herbiv-
Stopped reading.

>>280620876
Getting laid is one thing
What is even more rare - Yamada's show was actually funny which is rare for a romcom

I wouldn’t know, I don’t pay attention to romance male characters because I’m not gay.

>>280621399
Fuck all the characters in this anime, so fucking insufferable by s3.

>>280622106
Iroha should'va won

>>280620876
man this anime takes me back

>>280620428
anime only here, why did /a/ turn on this series so hard?

>>280622125
Is this the annoying girl that got rejected? Fuck her.

>>280622138
NTA
Because the first half was really good, then it goes to shit right after that.
It's not only /a/, the anime is speedrunning the material for the next 3 seasons into a single movie.

>>280620386 (OP)
>still
>only
You must be 18 to post here

>>280622138
because the literary me character didn't get laid with the bimbo senpai, but became the tard wrangler for the other girl

>>280622229
Pic unrelated I assume?

>>280620386 (OP)
finding anime MCs who are interesting is hard enough even without just looking at romcoms
but yeah he is one of the better ones but considering 90% of the rest are doormat MCs who do whatever they are told, have the personality of a piece of toast and act all exactly the same like some braindead hivemind
its not a big hurdle to jump

>entered an all girl student council
>declared that he will add all of them into his harem
>actually did it

>>280621170
>I fucking hate Taiga
every sane person does
>>280621399
he's a faggot

>>280622251
Ataru Moroboshi is a better character than anything posted ITT, OP included

>>280622263
and then all the girls leave

>>280622319
So you weren't joking...

>>280620386 (OP)
and still couldn't make it interesting enough

>>280622212
>NTA
I hate this so much. Nobody cares who you are, the only thing of importance is what you post.
We're all anonymous. We don't have names, we don't have identities. We are only judged by the argument in our posts. Nobody should care who anyone of us is.

>>280620386 (OP)
>his flaws are pretty much that he works TOO hard and he lets his actual vulnerable side fester inside
>whoops, we ran out of time
>don't worry he's fine with his abusive mom from afar and kaguya will never know how fucked up he is, but he certainly gets to help save her from her fucking zaibatsu family

>>280620386 (OP)
What is interesting about him? Even his manga was only fun in the first 50 or so chapters, when it was just about the games between him and Kaguya.

>>280622229
>>280622319
UY isn't really a "romcom" in the same way people mean that term
it's an ensemble comedy with romantic elements

>>280620386 (OP)
I actually like that this little twink from Mikadono has a good amount of fight to him, he’s probably more than half the reason I’m watching it.

>>280623054
yeah, it is a comrom

>>280623054
>an ensemble comedy with romantic elements
>it's not a romantic comedy
What did he mean by this?

>>280622138
The first half of the series is comedy with a little bit of drama
The second half of the series is drama with a little bit of comedy
Thankfully the anime only adapted the best parts of the series

>>280623017
Also a based choice. Much better than OP's pick.

>>280622843
nta but chill the fuck out it's just a signal that an additional anon has engaged the topic

>>280623140
>The first half of the series is comedy with a little bit of drama
>some idol slut gets murdered in like the very first episode
Yep, definitely a comedy

>>280623168
And nobody should care about that. Who cares how many people are engaging in the discussion. That's not important to the topic being discussed.

>>280622981
He's shown from many different sides.
- scheming when he needs to play mind games with Kaguya
- hardworking, actively trying to learn new things
- goofy when needed for comedy
- supportive when other characters need it
- hopeless romantic in his attempts to impress Kaguya
- dumb virgin when put in contrast to Kashiwagi's boyfriend

>>280623207
it changes your reply to know which anon is NOT the one calling you a retard, retard

>>280623017
>>280623157
Gary Stu

>>280623249
It doesn't matter who is calling whom a retard because an ad hominem is not an argument and should be ignored, retard.

>>280623004
He's a good Producer type character but as a love interest he's middling

>>280623004
Why does it look like AI slop?

>>280622138
You like comedy of the first season? You like two autists playing mind games with each other? Well how about we stop with that bullshit and replace it with melodrama, Ishigami's bully melodrama, Kaguya resetting her feeling for Shirogane because fuck you and as a bonus, blackmailing some rich retard while Chika lectures him about how women are not creatures to be messed with?

>>280623318
what does that even mean in this context

>>280623340
Weird ahh looking art

>>280623004
too logical, he really feels like what a dating sim player would do if he read all the guides

>>280623253
Retard.

>>280623353
I'd say it's mainly the fact that the artist makes excessive use of screentone.

>>280623353
looks fine to me

>>280623293
>>280623371
He's more entertaining to follow than the harem. That's more than enough to make him interesting to me.

>>280623017
He was great.

>>280623179
He means Kaguya's manga, anon.

>>280620386 (OP)
There are MCs fucking slave harems nowadays so no he’s not even top 20 in the modern GOAT debate

>>280621170
No one likes doormat MCs though

>>280623631
>Ryuuji
>Doormat
Almost every time the story moves forward it's because Ryuuji rages at something and works towards changing how things are
Taiga is aggresive on the surface but she's weak willed and swiftly runs away from her problems, hiding behind a facade of fake self-independence that, since ep 1, is clear she lacks.
Ryuuji is a quiet dude that harbors a deep resentment about how shitty some things are and when it comes down to it, he doesn't whine but acts.

>>280623119
Words and terms have meanings which are greater than the sum of their parts.
When people speak of "romcoms" on /a/ they usually mean a very specific genre in which UY does NOT fit.

>>280620386 (OP)
>herbivore protagonist with zero personality.
So, literally me

>>280620386 (OP)

It's because they actually made him into a character and not a self insert!

They know most of the people consuming their media are losers.

>>280620386 (OP)
Ranma is still the best

>>280620876
The anime that makes me love Yukarin's voice.

>>280620386 (OP)
he's not even the MC

>>280623230
I do agree with the mind games part, but everything else about him is still generic.

>>280622843
based
people just miss the point of discussing here

>>280623905
>they gave him blonde hair and premarital sex
Oh my science, I can finally have gay faggot sex fantasies about him.

>>280623804
Niggers consider every male that doesn’t beat his baby mama senseless a doormat

>>280623948
No you don't get it. He makes it look cool, all the generic shit he does.

>>280623940
He's the male MC.
There can be more than 1 MC in a show.

>>280623852
How does Urusei Yastura not fit?

>>280622843
Take your pills my man

>>280623230
He's too good for Kaguya

>>280624686
Then that includes shoujo male MCs which completely changes this discussion

>>280620923
Ryuuji sucks as a romcom MC
>>280623804
He's a doormat because he coddles Taiga and lets her walk all over him

>>280621170
>>280620923
Ryuuji is one of those MCs where you want to be buddies with him. Shirogane has that too, I feel.

>>280624687
well for one it's not a harem
in spite of ataru's desires the only girl in the series who consistently wants him is lum herself
shinobu was always wishy-washy with him and completely gives up on him within like 20 episodes of a 200 episode series, and every other girl he flirts with among the principal cast has no interest in him
which is pretty different from all the romcom harem manga that people mean when they complain about romcom protagonists being boring

>>280625488
Kaguya isn't a harem either

>>280625326
>lets her walk all over him
This, true alpha niggers take their baby mamas very seriously and beat them regularly to feel better

>>280625565
False dichotomy

>>280620386 (OP)
sminem

Can't forget Takeo.

>>280625739
I wish I was half of the man Gouda Takeo is.

>>280625631
Pussy

>>280626085
Ad hominem. Also ironic coming from the one defending being a doormat to women.

>>280626131
Nobody is impressed by how hard little girls make you seethe

>>280623804
The final resolution needed a stupid bitch like Minori to self-cuck herself to motivate the doormat into even attempting to date Taiga. And yes being pushed around by an ungrateful bitch all day to clean up after her and cook her meals with not even some monetary compensation as a show of appreciation is absolutely disrespectful to Chad MCs. If he was going for the harem route you could’ve had a point

>>280626194
You're getting really angry at people rightfully calling out Ryuuji for being weak and boring and having no self-respect. Does it strike a nerve?

>>280624214
But there are baby mamas like you that should be beaten to death

>>280622138
Aka got full of himself with the success, overdid it with his beloved DRAMA while ignoring all the other aspects the readers actually liked about the manga, fumbled it all, and as a result he clearly stopped caring about it, by kelling nearly all the plot points teased since hundred of chapters earlier.
To be fair the fact that he had a divorce due to his wife cheating in the middle of it didn't help and turned the mood for the worst. Clearly he wasn't conviced about cute and optimistic romances anymore.

>>280625339
Just admit you’re gay and you want some home cooked meals from your best buddy

>>280626300
No they’re just projecting their manchild tantrum over a girl 1/4 of their size calling him baka, you are butthurt.

>>280626344
>kelling
I have no idea how "killing" was typoed into that, but hopefully it was clear.

>>280620386 (OP)
Harima runs circles around 99% of romcom MCs I've seen. No exception in this case, either.

>>280620386 (OP)
*enter gookslop*

>>280626381
>over a girl 1/4 of their size calling him baka
Are you intentionally being disingenuous or are you really too stupid to get it? Plenty of girls say baka but they don't get a smidgen of the hate Taiga gets. Have you never wondered why? Taiga is a violent, psycho bitch and the first thing she did after meeting Ryuuji is sock him in the face. Then she breaks into his house and attacks him. He's constantly doing everything for her while she only beats and insults him and he takes it all docilely. When Ryuuji says he'll be a dragon who can stand as equals with her it's one of the pathetic and unearned moments ever. He can't even banter back. If that's the kind of relationship you want, whatever, but don't expect that from the rest of us.

>>280626964
Oh god. A toddler hit him!?!??? Why didn’t he have a tantrum stomp his feet?
Sorry, I just don’t take anime girls seriously because I’m not a massive fucking pussy.

>>280626529
simp

>>280627160
>A toddler hit him!?!???
The story sure doesn't treat her that way. She's nicknamed Palmtop Tiger because of her ferocity. If she's really such a child to him, why doesn't he treat her that way? Pick her up when she tries to attack him and refuse to put her down while her short arms windmill and can't reach him. Tease her about her height and call her chibiko or something. That's how a male romcom MC with actual chemistry with the female MC acts.
>Why didn’t he have a tantrum stomp his feet?
That's how you react when someone attacks you? You're a weird and maladjusted person.
>I just don’t take anime girls seriously
Not convincing when you're so butthurt about this
>I’m not a massive fucking pussy
Yeah, keeping unconditionally serving women like a bitch while they beat and insult you and don't respect you. I'm sure that shows you're not a pussy.

>you shouldn’t hate the loud mouth, hot tempered, bratty, pathetic, ragetard because she is so smol and cute
Do Taigafags really think her behavior is in any way endearing or even permissible? Hold off on your lolifaggotry for a second. I can’t think think of a bigger loser as a female love interest. She has no skills, no talents, no redeeming qualities, nothing. Her only attribute is being extremely lucky. Lucky to have a rich daddy and live on her own and lucky to run into a loser that would take care of her and house her like a stray animal. The whole story caters to her whims. Her retard fake genki friend cucks herself just so this bitch can have a person to tard wrangle her. Ryuuji exists to serve Taiga, and the dumbass Midnorin admonishes him if he goes against anything that doesn’t suit her needs. MC-kun, wont you think of the heckin palm tiger? It’s Christmas, everyone drop what you’re doing and send your best wishes to the emaciated rodent. She deserves everything and more just cause. Fuck her and fuck that guilt-ridden sperg Minori.

>>280627792
>She's nicknamed Palmtop Tiger because of her ferocity.
The joke is that she’s literally a feisty kitten. You’re the faggot that cries and gets angry when he gets a kitty scratch and probably beats it.
>That's how you react when someone attacks you?
If a helpless baby attacked me I would actually probably just laugh at how cute it is.
>Not convincing when you're so butthurt about this
Uh, no dude. You’re crying and sobbing about being teased by a little girl, meanwhile I’m dropping nonchalant logic bombs all over you. Basically, I’m Rick Sanchez and you’re Mortying out right now.
>Yeah, keeping unconditionally serving women like a bitch while they beat and insult you and don't respect you.
Except Ryuji got a hot sloppy kiss and probably busted fat loads into her pussy off screen. Imagine if he just bitched and whined like a faggot ass redditor the entire show about how the little girl hurt his feefees and gave him booboos. Grow up

>>280627904
Kek, sounds like you’re just jealous of her rich daddy.
>Ryuji should’ve served me instead!!! Wahhhhh!!!

>>280626344
>the fact that he had a divorce due to his wife cheating
He had a divorce, but nobody said anything about him getting cheated on

>>280627904
I agree. I'm still waiting for a doujin in which she's brutally beaten up and then murdered,for real

>>280626266
To be fair, Minori was built for muff diving

>>280620386 (OP)
after reading this thread, i've come to realize that nobody agrees over what makes a male romcom mc interesting

>>280627792
>don't respect you
Everyone in Toradora and Taiga above all respects Ryuuji and admires his guts.
Half of his character arc (and the general idea of every character in Toradora) is going beyond immediate, external reception of what others perceive of you.
Ryuuji is a menacing punk? No, he's an admirable, driven man of integrity.
Taiga is a psycho bitch who need no man? No, she's a frail and lost girl in search of someone able to keep up with her self-defensive coping mechanism of violence who will stay by her side.
Kitamura is a considerate, responsible, mature man with a good head on his shoulder? No, he's a volatile, emotional teen who snapped when his dream love got shafted and almost threw away his normal life.
One can go on with everyone in Toradora, but apparently a modicum of interpretation of a love story targeted at teen is too intellectually demanding for the average /a/non

>>280628215
I did

>>280628045
>The joke is that she’s literally a feisty kitten
In her very first scene, people are wary of and standing clear of her and they talk about how strong she is.
>when he gets a kitty scratch
A good owner train their cat to not bite and scratch people.
>If a helpless baby attacked me I would actually probably just laugh at how cute it is.
Cool. Why doesn't Ryuuji do that? That'd be a more interesting dynamic than what we got. Instead he actually gets hurt by her attacks. You know, just the fact that you Taiga apologists compare her to a baby/toddler already speaks volumes. She's the same fucking age. She needs to act like it instead of having less mental capacity than a toddler. Even little children are taught not to hit other people. Taiga is literally treated with lower standards than a toddler.
>Basically, I’m Rick Sanchez and you’re Mortying out right now
You must be 18 or older to be on this site.
>Except Ryuji got a hot sloppy kiss and probably busted fat loads into her pussy off screen
The point of a romance is for the male and female leads to get together. It's written to be that way no matter how much or little it makes sense. This isn't the point you think it is.
>Imagine if he just bitched and whined like a faggot ass redditor the entire show about how the little girl hurt his feefees and gave him booboos
Again, nobody is saying this and repeating it over and over again just makes you come off as immature and childish. He could act like an actual interesting male romcom MC instead.

>>280628229
QFT. There should be a doujin where she’s gang raped by BBCs to death because she scuffed a nigga’s jays. Only a cracker bitch be taking that kinda disrespect

>>280628458
>a modicum of interpretation of a love story targeted at teen is too intellectually demanding for the average /a/non
I hope you realize there's a difference between a story's intent and actual execution

>>280623017
this

Just finished sono bisque.
The MC is an absolute plank, even nagatoro had a better MC.
Need to read more romcom, what are some good kinda recent good ones?

>>280628893
The one OP posted but just watch the anime and pretend the rest of the manga never existed

>>280628980
The anime is different?

>>280628997
They are doing an anime original ending.

>>280628630
>people are wary of and standing clear of her
You probably scream and run when you see a cockroach too
>train their cat to not bite and scratch people.
So true dude that’s when a cat gives me an itsy bitsy boo-boo I go in the huff and stand in the corner and stomp my feet while everyone else continues playing with it, probably because they’re not faggot ass little bitches.
>You know, just the fact that you Taiga apologists compare her to a baby/toddler already speaks volumes. She's the same fucking age.
Dude she is SEVENTY FIVE FUCKING POUNDS LMFAOO my roflcopter is going soi soi soi right now.

>muh interesting male
>muh interesting dynamic
Nobody gives a fuck, and trivializing the female’s characterization so Ryuuji can do stupid looney tunes shit like hold her in air jail is stupid and serves absolutely no purpose. You’re just a seething loser crying about how your favorite girl, the actual doormat, didn’t win, probably because she’s a doormat. KWAB

>>280628946
>I know we just started dating but let me date this side chick too

>>280629114
haremshit is truly shit

>>280623395
nah, he just traces over 3D models too much

>>280629131
Because they usually make the guy a doormat.
The scene here the main girl starts questioning if she has an ntr fetish because he makes her watch what he is doing is pretty funny.

>>280620723
Arima from Kare Kano, lmfao

Tadano from Komi-San was a better MC, no bullshit. Paisen from Nagatoro? Better than Ryuuji because Naga isn’t a complete loser. Shirogane and Keima? Mogs Ryuuji. Herbivore MCs? Don’t get beaten by scraggly vermin. I’d say Hirohito from Monmusu is the only guy that’s more trodden than Ryuuji. and that’s solely due to the mangaka prolonging the series for lactation fetish fuel.

>>280629314
>Tadano
>Paisen
Ryuuji mogs generic bland self-insert by default

>>280629314
>All of this seething
It appears my superiority has led to some controversy

>>280629314
Bahahaha your favorite girl lost like a bitch

Recommend me romcoms with MCs that aren't herbivore shits
>hard mode
nothing from before 2000s

>>280629495
just read the thread

>>280629526
>>280629314
I am getting conflicting statements

>>280629575
You might be getting a statement from 1 sore loser who might also be scared of 75lbs women

>>280629575
That's life, man

>>280629575
yes you are not

>>280629042
>You probably scream and run when you see a cockroach too
What are you even trying to say? We're talking about how other characters in the show react to Taiga. First Taiga is toddler, then she's a baby, now she's a cockroach?
>I go in the huff and stand in the corner and stomp my feet
Again, nobody is saying this. Repeating this over and over while refusing to address the actual point just makes you come off as immature and childish.
>Dude she is SEVENTY FIVE FUCKING POUNDS
Doesn't matter how small she is. If she is to be with her peers, then she has the same expectation as her peers to act with decency. Even little shits get disciplined for acting like little shits. It doesn't matter if she can't physically hurt me. She's an unpleasant person and why would you want to be with an unpleasant person?
>Nobody gives a fuck
This is literally what the thread is about?
>trivializing the female’s characterization so Ryuuji can do stupid looney tunes shit like hold her in air jail is stupid and serves absolutely no purpose
It can show that he's the first person not afraid to meet her head on. That does a much better job of portraying them as equals and makes way more sense for her to fall in love than what we actually got. What's the purpose of that faggot Ryuuji being a little pussy and having no chemistry with Taiga?
>You’re just a seething loser crying about how your favorite girl, the actual doormat, didn’t win
That's the problem with you romcomfags. It's always just about the horse race with you people. You don't know how to analyze the actual quality of the writing.

I go in the huff and stand in the corner and stomp my feet

>>280629373
Paisen isn’t even a self insert protag, that’s for guys like MC in Bunny girl senpai. His meme art dream outdoes any drive Ryuuji has, unless you think caretaking a hapless runt is noteworthy. His brown Olympic beater gf mogs Taiga. Komi is a shy stacy so Tadano wins by default, even if he isn’t dynamic as a character. Like I said, your slant eye MC is a pantywaist to a Pygmy.

>>280629945
Yes, we know you've been doing that this entire time because you lost the argument and can't defend your self-insert Ryuuji

>>280628215
>what is your type?
>someone who won't cheat
Use your brain

>>280630064
is this a line from the manga?

>>280629862
>First Taiga is toddler, then she's a baby, now she's a cockroach?
She’s fucking harmless retard. That’s the point of the analogies. No self-respecting man is going to sit there and PRETEND that a 4’8” 75lbs woman is imposing for any reason, but especially not to portray a fucking fully grown teenage boy negatively for not responding.
>Again, nobody is saying this.
But that’s exactly what you’re doing and everyone can tell because you’re childish and immature as exemplified by your nerdy angry manchild reaction to not being “respected” by someone far beneath your equal.
>muh discipline!!!!!!!!
Yes, it is extremely important to discipline this 4’8” 75lbs MONSTER. The threat she poses to my extremely fragile masculinity is incalculable. Let’s move this to the top of our priority list so she can be a lame ass boring doormat like the loser girl.
>This is literally what the thread is about?
The thread is about proving how “muh interesting romance male” losers are just a bunch of cocklusting fags and man children.
>It can show that he's the first person not afraid to meet her head on.
Disciplining a kitten for what ultimately amounts to playfighting actually explicitly shows that you are terrified of it.
>It's always just about the horse race with you people.
Yet if you won the horse race you wouldn’t give a shit. Instead you’re sitting here doing the equivalent of a sore loser coping about cheating.

>>280630247
she can punch herself, call the cops and ruin your life

>>280630286
I would pull an uno reverse card and accuse everyone of racism and being racist towards me for being an alpha nigger, and then I would dominate everyone with my alpha male dominance. And then start a business

>>280630373
what is the point of accusing people of being intelligent

>>280622138
Haven’t read the whole thing (only caught up with the anime) but apparent after some ice arc it goes a bit downhill. The story has very shifting changes in tone out of nowhere. There’s also downright silly moments in the manga. One of them involves Kaguya leaping off a cliff and jumping into the arms of her lover, who is clinging onto a ladder that’s dangling from a helicopter. She somehow jumps down and doesn’t get chopped up by the propelling blade that whisk our couple into the sunset.
>>280630006
Darkflamemaster is a better MC and actually disciplines his chuuni woman to an extent

>>280620386 (OP)
Feels like he started another archetype of romcom studyfag MC's who drag out the romance plot with a "I need to think about/study for my future career instead" gimmick.
>Cuckoos MC
>Amagami sisters MC
>Quintuplets MC
>Bokuben MC
It's at least a better excuse than MC's that act like complete virgin faggots though, so I'll give them that.

What romcom have this
>reiwa
>mc is not a herbivore cuck
>no harem, no ntr
?

>>280630509
It's interesting how all the rip offs you listed are all trash.

>>280629314
>Tadano from Komi-San was a better MC, no bullshit.
He sucked so much he accepted the confession of a girl he didn't like after openly saying he liked Komi and had to be pushed to confess.
Paisen is a spineless bitch
I don't know how the fuck people keep bringing up these two as good MC when they are among the worst ever written

>>280630247
>She’s fucking harmless
I would agree if we're talking about reality but the anime treats her as imposing and it's ridiculous. Even if she's physically harmless, that's still not the main point. Her behavior makes her a terrible person. Chimping out and attacking Sumire is subhuman behavior, regardless if she can actually hurt her or not.
>your nerdy angry manchild reaction
Projection. I'm calmly stating my points. You're melting down and attacking everyone who disagrees with you.
>by someone far beneath your equal
That's weird. I thought the point of the relationship is that they're supposed to be equals (even though Taiga treats Ryuuji like he's beneath her but let's ignore that).
>Yes, it is extremely important to discipline this 4’8” 75lbs MONSTER
It is important to discipline children so they can act decently. Do you think a father teaching his children how to behave is because it threatens his "fragile masculinity"? You're ridiculous. You keep ignoring the point that Taiga is unable to act like a decent person. Must be because you can't argue it.
>The thread is about proving how “muh interesting romance male” losers are just a bunch of cocklusting fags and man children.
Sorry not everybody has no standards like you.
>Disciplining a kitten for what ultimately amounts to playfighting
Does picking her up and teasing her not count as play fighting?
>Yet if you won the horse race you wouldn’t give a shit
No I prefer actual romance and not this horse race shit.

>>280630818
>the anime treats her as imposing and it's ridiculous
So then who fucking cares? If you actually believe Taiga is being transformed into mega superwoman gorilla bitch then how is it Ryuuji’s fault?
>Projection. I'm calmly stating my points. You're melting down and attacking everyone who disagrees with you.
Uh, no sir. I’m styling all over you Rich Sanchez style with socratic street methodology. You’re just standing there with big ass tears in your eyes trying to act like a big boy.
>That's weird. I thought the point of the relationship is that they're supposed to be equals
Sticking your cock in her pussy wont make her 170lbs. Well, some women maybe.
>Do you think a father teaching his children how to behave is because it threatens his "fragile masculinity"?
Cry to her fucking daddy then. Not Ryuuji’s job. He’s just gonna tell you to man up though.
>Sorry not everybody has no standards like you.
I bet your standard is 8 inches and above you fucking homo lmao
>Does picking her up and teasing her not count as play fighting?
No but tongue wrestling her did
>No I prefer actual romance and not this horse race shit.
Sucks bro I prefer winning. Lol!

>>280630685
Tadano liked both of them. It was downright silly he had to be goaded to dating Komi. As for Paisen, he never houses and fed a girl that beat him up in his own house. Nagatoro drops the pretense of her being a bully or a bitch after the first episode. From that point in she’s a tease and he sometimes stands his ground (although not to a good extent). You can say he is wimpy and meek, but he isn’t whipped like Ryuuji is. Paisen’s life doesn’t center around Nagatoro because he still has a goal of art school, which he accomplishes. Ryuuji is aimless and his whole worth and growth revolve around Taiga. Paisen is easily better, and Tadano is weak in certain regards. I’d still give more credit to Tadano by virtue of him actually going against the Komi yards of his classroom.

My main point is merely that both MCs are better than Toradora’s. I’m not claiming they are good though.

>>280620386 (OP)
He's relatable unlike this shitlord >>280621399

>>280629495
Daredemo Dekiru blah blah

>>280631331
>Tadano liked both of them
He didn't for fuck's sake, him accepting manbagi confession needed multiple fucking retcons
Paisen fell in love with his school bully
Ryuji isn't particularly good, hell, he's extremely average, but better than those two

>>280620876
I will never forget this show.

Reminder Hayasaka doesn't love Prez and Prez only loves Kaguya.

>>280631510
Any self respecting man would drop it after the synopsis.

>>280631604
It was a fun comedy for it's time.

>>280629495
You can make a case for calling ZZ Gundam a romcom.

>>280631775
But you can't make a case for it being watchable.

>>280631280
>So then who fucking cares?
Who the fuck cares about the story? Are you hearing yourself?
>wont make her 170lbs
When people say equals in a relationship, they don't mean physical equal. Ryuuji even said he intends to be her equal. Did you not even watch the anime you're defending so desperately?
>Not Ryuuji’s job. He’s just gonna tell you to man up though.
A real man knows how to keep a misbehaving woman in line. But sure, keep on simping for terrible, petulant women who walk all over you and belittle you while you serve them unconditionally and let them do whatever they want. I'm sure that'll make them fall in love with you eventually like in your favorite romcom.
>tongue wrestling her did
For that to count as play fighting, he would have to do that whenever she hits him.

>>280631830
Eh it gets better after the first half, but yeah, ZZ is one of the worst Tomino comedy shows.

>>280631859
>Tomino
You can't make a case for any of his shows being watchable.

>>280631426
Well guess it’s my headcanon. Some people wanted him and Manbagi to date. Too bad the mangaka hates gyaru.

As for Paisen, he hardly gets bullied. She barely does anything from that point on that could be considered anything more than teasing. She’s gone out of her way to support Paisen way more than Taiga has with Ryuuji. Taiga acts more like a bully than Nagatoro does.

>>280631604
Sluts (2D) are great, but the show wasn't actually about sluts.

>>280631847
>Who the fuck cares about the story?
No, about muh fucking interesting male, faggot. You’re asking me to completely detach myself from any suspension of disbelief as a viewer and pretend that Taiga is imposing despite being 1/4 my size. So why care about any of this shit at this point? Maybe Ryuuji isn’t just deciding to not react to someone far beneath him in terms of physicality, maybe he’s doing exactly what he needs to do to survive so Taiga doesn’t fucking rip his arms and limbs off and disintegrate him with a loli beam. Gasp. Who cares
>When people say equals in a relationship, they don't mean physical equal.
But I didn’t say equal in a relationship. There isn’t a single person in ToraDora or this thread that Taiga isn’t beneath in terms of equal. I’m not talking about some faggoty ass intangible equality shit, I mean the kind of equal you could ascertain immediately by looking at two people.
>I'm sure that'll make them fall in love with you eventually like in your favorite romcom.
I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with 3D women. There’s never going to be a 4’8” 75lbs woman who is anything but a buck broken boring ass doormat slave by the intrinsic nature of her physicality. You act like you’re so fucking weak that there’s anything a woman like that could possibly do to you that’s out of line. You’re right that it did work for Ryuuji though. He WON prime sexy pussy and he didn’t even whine like a faggot the entire time.
>For that to count as play fighting, he would have to do that whenever she hits him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she slaps him every now and then during their steamy hot late night sex sessions while Minori cries a room over KWAB

>>280631604
The main girl is a virgin and only has sex with a single guy (MC). I don't even remember any other male character in the show.

>>280632276
intent matters

>>280632315
She never tried to fuck anyone iirc

>>280632422
I'm an incel so I'll have to pass.

>>280632519
Me too that's why I won't pass the chance

>>280620624
Kaguya best girl.

>>280632519
I miss when you guys used to call each other purityfags instead.

>>280632769
I prefer the term purityGOD

>>280628270
No she’s built for domestic abuse

>>280631952
Manbagi was pretty unpopular

>>280628946
>he didn’t make the loli imouto his fifth kanojo

>>280632895
By Ami, yes

>>280623293
Yeah it wouldn’t hurt to see him actually attracted to his 10/10 harem sometimes

>>280632153
>Sluts (2D) are great
Other way around. 2D should be for the idealised purity. Sluts are only good when 3D

>>280633270
Nah, 2D sluts are fun, specially on eroge, I was never into self-insert so I don't really care about stuff like that.

>>280633012
No domestic abuse only hits hard when the wife has a crying child and Ami is too busy being built for homewrecking

>>280633393
There is no room for beauty in this world. 2D is best left uncorrupted by 3Dshit.

>>280632267
>You’re asking me to completely detach myself from any suspension of disbelief as a viewer
Toradora is
>Gasp. Who cares
Toradora should because the story is about their relationship so they better fucking be clear about it
>I’m not talking about some faggoty ass intangible equality shit
Toradora is. This is almost comical at this point. Are you intentionally or unintentionally criticizing Toradora?
>There’s never going to be a 4’8” 75lbs woman who is anything but a buck broken boring ass doormat slave by the intrinsic nature of her physicality
Yet so many of them act like immature, entitled, BPD bitches like Taiga and they find no shortage of pathetic males like you who want to wait hand and foot on them and get treated like trash by them.
>You’re right that it did work for Ryuuji though.
Whatever, you can have your fantasies where you win by being a pathetic bitch. Don't pretend it's compelling or believable.
>I wouldn’t be surprised if she slaps him every now and then during their steamy hot late night sex sessions
I meant throughout the show. Who gives a fuck about stuff that doesn't happen in the show. Like every time Taiga tries to hit him, he grabs her arm and pulls her in for a kiss. Would be more interesting than what we actually got.

My wife is pure.

>>280620386 (OP)
Nah, there's Chihiro from Sankarea >>280496276 who is far more entertaining and a huge troll. Also he's totally into dead cold girls.
If you want to go further, there's Satou who has some actual challenges to overcome >>280558658 and serve to make him endearing.
So fun and interesting MC's exist, you just gotta watch good anime and read good manga.

>>280633577
NHK isn't a romcom

>>280623004
I don't know if I can stomach 90 chapters of him acting all high and mighty as if those feelings of love are below him, there is only so much you can do with a teenager.

>>280633501
Nah, 2D without 3D influences is how you get the current wave of isekai and villainess which are just parodying each other and a product that never existed.

>>280633784
Taking inspiration for setting or even plot can be done without using modern woman as a base to build characters and drama. Or what's even left of anime? We'll have anime love island with bitches and whores all around.

>>280633393
I never got the appeal of sluts, I'm completely immune to their charm. I would rather have fantasies with girls that hide their erotic side.

>>280633949
>We'll have anime love island with bitches and whores all around.
Oh yeah, that show is airing this season.

>>280633542
>Toradora is
…explicitly telling you that Taiga is not imposing by making her 75lbs and 4’8”, a glaringly explicit and extremely potent design choice with primal and intuitive implications that communicate to any sentient being perfectly.

It’s extremely clear to me, seems you were just too busy repairing your shattered manhood to comprehend the gap or the archetype of a fierce facade.

>pathetic males
>pathetic bitch
Try not to project too hard. Gentle reminder you find 75lbs women imposing.

>Like every time Taiga tries to hit him, he grabs her arm and pulls her in for a kiss. Would be more interesting than what we actually got.
What, you didn’t like your sloppy kiss bro? Sounds fucking lame and gay. Is that how you want Ryuuji to treat you? Try shoujo.

>>280633966
I like gyaru sluts, those that aren't actually sluts are but pure used to be rare but these days they're so overdone that they're just boring to me.

>I would rather have fantasies with girls that hide their erotic side.
Those are great too.

>>280633966
>girls that hide their erotic side.
Also a slut.

>>280632276
>I don't even remember any other male character in the show.
there were plenty
But they were either Yamada's simps or Yamada's sister's sponsors

>>280634003
Taiga is a girl, girls are scary, Taiga is scary
Q.E.D.

>>280633577
Sankarea sucks, Tasogare is the superior necrophiliac's choice

>>280634003
>explicitly telling you that Taiga is not imposing by making her 75lbs and 4’8
I don't find her design imposing. The way the other characters treat her is ridiculous. If you're complaining about that, it's a fault of the show.
>75lbs women
The kind of women you want to be a doormat for. She won't love you.
>you didn’t like your sloppy kiss
You are an easily impressed child.
>Try shoujo
Interesting thing to mention. Toradora is an inferior rip-off of a shoujo.

If you mean romcom in general and not just romcom with a harem, Raido is the best MC and his chinowife Aharen is the best girl.

>>280634464
>If you're complaining about that, it's a fault of the show.
How would it be the fault of the show if I’m complaining about your interpretation of a 75lbs woman? This is the dogshit that YOU are presenting to me as your argument, not ToraDora.
>The kind of women you want to be a doormat for.
Advice for becoming a man (are you a man?): not everything requires a reaction. Grow some testicles. I’m sorry your homolust crush Ryuuji didn’t love the doormat that you self-inserted as, like he would’ve in one of your beloved shoujos.

>>280634564
post the kiss

>>280634675
This is a blueboard anon.

>>280634635
>This is the dogshit that YOU are presenting to me as your argument, not ToraDora
No, it's about how other characters view and react to Taiga
>Advice for becoming a man
Here's some advice for you on how to be a man. Have some self-respect. Don't stay with a woman who treats you like shit.

>>280635208
>No, it's about how other characters view and react to Taiga
Yeah but you’re not an anime character, stupid ass. You’re not supposed to model yourself off background characters, what kind of badass NPC shit is that kek
>Have some self-respect.
The times I retaliated against people way weaker than me are all the times I felt the least amount of respect for myself. You’ve probably never had female friends that have trusted you enough to not be drowning in anxiety whenever they’re alone with you. That’s not being treated with respect.

>>280626344
>To be fair the fact that he had a divorce due to his wife cheating in the middle of i
how do you guys even find these out

>>280635374
>You’re not supposed to model yourself off background characters
The background characters tell you how others around Taiga feel about her. Stories don't just put that stuff in for no reason.
>The times I retaliated against people way weaker than me
I'm beginning to think you're not arguing in bad faith and you're genuinely too retarded to understand. You don't need to curbstomp someone to make them understand that what they're doing isn't acceptable.
>You’ve probably never had female friends that have trusted you enough to not be drowning in anxiety whenever they’re alone with you.
My female friends don't belittle me and attack me for no reason. You probably get off on that but that isn't normal, civilized behavior. They don't respect you and they're not your friends.

>>280637632
>The background characters tell you how others around Taiga feel about her.
And who am I to question them about this obvious paradox but a living sentient man with the mental capacity to attain themes and symbolism…
>You don't need to curbstomp someone to make them understand that what they're doing isn't acceptable.
Jesus, what are you, the most retarded fucking idiot stupid faggot on earth!? How do you not understand what I’m saying! UGH!

Not everything requires a reaction.

>My female friends don't belittle me and attack me for no reason.
If you knew any women and if you were actually friends with them you would know that woman actually do this all the time, over tiny contrivances. If you had a big whiny faggot temper tantrum every time this happened you would quickly have no female friends

>>280634041
Pure gyarus are better than slutty gyarus, but neither is particularly great.
Sluts are boring. What's the best she can do? Fuck you? Booooring.
Now, imagine dominating a modest girl who would normally never do anything sexual. That's the good stuff!

>>280621399
>everything sucks everyone sucks the world is cold and dark
so relatable for 14 year olds

>>280637829
>a living sentient man with the mental capacity to attain themes and symbolism
You don't have even have the mental capacity to comprehend the concept of in-universe logic.
>Not everything requires a reaction.
The shit Taiga pulls warrants something better than Ryuuji's reaction. Even nonchalant dodging is better than how Ryuuji reacts.
>If you knew any women and if you were actually friends with them you would know that woman actually do this all the time
Women act like Taiga and constantly lose their temper over nothing and take it out on you by insulting you and physically attacking you? No, you only know terrible women. Holy shit no wonder you're so messed up.

>>280638089
>everything sucks but a hot rich girl loves me so it's not so bad
>woof to that other hot girl though
Yep, perfect for kiddos

>>280638208
>You don't have even have the mental capacity to comprehend the concept of in-universe logic.
Retard, this is just a faggy way of saying “thinking like a background character”
>The shit Taiga pulls warrants something better than Ryuuji's reaction.
You keep screaming this but realistically there’s really nothing she can do that can’t be shrugged off
>No, you only know terrible women.
Not true. My mommy is very very nice to me and never gives me boo boos or hurt my fee fees. She also changed my poopie diapy when I was a widdle boy. Surely if she was the only woman I interacted with in my life I would have very short patience with women.

>>280638884
>Retard, this is just a faggy way of saying “thinking like a background character”
You can think about why the story has them think that way. Try engaging just a little with the story instead of mindlessly consuming.
>there’s really nothing she can do that can’t be shrugged off
Then why doesn't he? And why does Taiga have such a menacing reputation?
>My mommy is very very nice to me and never gives me boo boos or hurt my fee fees. She also changed my poopie diapy when I was a widdle boy.
Why are you being so weird? That's not going to help you dodge the issue. You've basically admitted that your relationships with women are terrible.

I recently read Fujiyama's manga and while I of course liked Fujiyama, I really liked Kanba as the other MC. He is really strong-willed and resourceful during the manga, not immune to adolescent hangups but does his best to make Fujiyama feel loved.

>>280620386 (OP)
Still one of the handful of few romcoms that actually made me laugh

>>280639207
>You can think about why the story has them think that way. Try engaging just a little with the story instead of mindlessly consuming.
You say as you ignore the fact that they made her 75 fucking pounds lmfao
>Then why doesn't he? And why does Taiga have such a menacing reputation?
Maybe he’s the first guy that isn’t so much of a bitch made pussy that he can emotionally transcend a tiny little girl
>You've basically admitted that your relationships with women are terrible.
Terrible for a bitchmale who cries about everything, definitely. I won’t deny that the sex trumped a lot of bullshit.

>>280622138
Akasaka wants ANGST, too bad he sucks at writing ANGST. He's the kind of writer who needs an editor to keep him away from his worst traits.
Also hubris: you can't turn a lighthearted romcom into a dramafest. It betrays the genre and the premises of the story.

>>280620386 (OP)
Haven't checked to see if they've been posted on the thread already but I liked Hayama, Rentaro, Sosuke, Taiyou, Kazuya, Lloyd and Ren

>>280634564
Good choice.
>>280639263
Aka is very good at comedy

>>280622138
The author, just like SpyxFamily's author, doesn't actually like writing comedies and are basically forced to by their editors because they're good at comedy. Kaguya-sama changed magazines/editors which resulted in him being allowed to go full drama which made the Manga considerably worse. It's why the last portion is being adapted as movie tur rushly adapt everything, it will probably be more comedy focused.

>>280639328
>You say as you ignore the fact that they made her 75 fucking pounds lmfao
Yeah a lot of anime is stupid like that and don't realize it's asinine for a little girl to be strong.
>Maybe he’s the first guy that isn’t so much of a bitch made pussy
He's definitely a pussy when he gets knocked out by her punch. Then when she broke into his own house, he couldn't even keep her under control and was terrified while she was attacking him.
>Terrible for a bitchmale who cries about everything, definitely. I won’t deny that the sex trumped a lot of bullshit.
Let me be the one to tell you this. She doesn't love you. You can simp for her all you want while she has temper tantrums and demeans you, assaults you, and walks all over you. You can reassure yourself of how manly you are while silently taking it like a good little bitch. She'll never love someone she can't respect. You won't be happy with a woman who isn't pleasant to be around. I won't say you can do better because you probably can't, but it sucks to be you.

>>280623958
Resident schizos have made it annoying

>>280623207
Nah, it completely changes the dynamic and stops you from going "WELL EARLIER YOU SAID THAT WHEN NOW YOU'RE SAYING THIS"

>>280620386 (OP)
The dense kind protagonist is an archetype that has other traits that varies between MC to MC.

>>280640267
500 posts and more than half are one guy

>>280640261
Oh my hecking science!!! The anime magic loli! The fucking anime home invasion! Why are we even bothering crying about 3DPD again? If she’s so asininely crazy magix anime stronk why are we even blaming Ryuuji like it’s his fault?

>*pushes up epic badass glasses…* Let me be the one to give you a little piece of advice… there are two wolves inside you… [gay temper tantrum]
Dude, who cares about all that fag shit lol. Why do I have to care? Seriously. You can just not react to shit that doesn’t affect you. You’re above beefing with kittens, bro. Try it sometime, you’ll be less miserable

>>280639741
SxF's drama has been pretty enjoyable tbdesu. I don't mind it at all.

>>280627174
Funny, compelling simp. Shame about the manga's ending, though.

>>280640454
>Oh my hecking science!!! The anime magic loli! The fucking anime home invasion!
And you are officially having a breakdown. Do you think typing like this signals anything other than you've been beaten?
>why are we even blaming Ryuuji like it’s his fault?
Because he's a doormat with no self-respect. His romance with Taiga is as a tard wrangler who can't keep his tard in check.
>You can just not react to shit that doesn’t affect you.
You can simply not throw a temper tantrum at all the people who want Ryuuji to be a better MC. That doesn't affect you.

How long have you two been having this back and forth about Toradora? Give it a rest

also toradora isn't even a romcom

>>280620386 (OP)
Read Ase to Sekken.

>>280641894
It signals I've been "beaten" because you're resorting to invoking the absurdity of slapstick anime scenarios in your argument about how to deal with women with self respect?
"What if the toddler BROKE INTO YOUR HOME and KNOCKED YOU OUT"
You just sound like a headcase dude. It's been like 20 years but I don't even think anything bad happened even in the 'home invasion', I'm pretty sure he 'nonchalantly dodges' everything and maybe hurts his hands while blocking. You're desperate
>Because he's a doormat with no self-respect. His romance with Taiga is as a tard wrangler who can't keep his tard in check.
No, he's just not having a faggy ass temper tantrum every time Taiga pokes him, like you would, because you need a boring ass doormat like Minori to keep your masculinity in tact.
>You can simply not throw a temper tantrum at all the people who want Ryuuji to be a better MC. That doesn't affect you.
Uh, Morty... you just gave me an incredibly gay monologue about how a fictitious girl doesn't love me because I don't burst into tears every time she farts in my direction. Definitely seems like you're having a temper tantrum about your gay crush picked the interesting girl over your doormat gay bottom shoujo insert.

>>280640512
Yeah I also like the drama Manga the author made before SxF called Tista. It's really a matter that the author of Kaguya just doesn't know how to do drama as proven with the final arc of Kaguya and Oshi no Ko, even if he doesn't like it the guy just works far better as a comedy writer.

>>280620386 (OP)
Fuutarou before he was replaced with a robot in the second half of the story.

>>280643188
nino lost

>>280642132
I don't think that's the same type of romcom anons are thinking of.

>>280620386 (OP)
Lol, even in this romcom, people preferred Ishigami over that Gary Stu character.
https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/research/articles/160868/vote_result/#votewidget

>>280620386 (OP)
Kaguya is the MC.

>>280643498
Because Ishigami is the self-insert character

>>280643188
>replaced with a robot in the second half of the story
he seems pretty based here what happened?

>>280643498
Because Ishigami is the self-insert for losers. I remember when the popularity poll by gender got release and Ishigami won the male vote while Shirogane won the female vote.

>>280620753
That was a good gag and plot progression

>>280622913
Nah she knows she even talks to his dad about it. It does geel kinda odd she never showed up but whatever

>>280644221
The author wanted to make the protagonist's romantic feelings a mystery in the story, so he's less emotive, proactive, and way less emotional in his interactions with the girls. Lots of times he just has a blank face when reacting to things.

>>280640261
>he couldn't even keep her under control and was terrified while she was attacking him.
It was a motivated surprise attack in the middle of the night while he was alone and he managed to block and evade every single attack while de-escalating the situation and managed to calmly explain the misunderstanding after which the attack stopped without him having to lay a finger on anyone. He took a surprise ninja ambush and turned it into his attacker offering to pay for the damages and on first-name-basis with a hot girl leaving his apartment at midnight. Literal james bond superchad shit. What is the shoujo equivalent of this? He immediately pins her down and forces his cock into her asshole? The least anti-tsunfags could do is pretend they don't solely hate the MC for not picking their waifu.

>>280642709
>faggy ass temper tantrum
>burst into tears
According to you, if you're not being a submissive doormat, you're either violently chimping out breaking down crying. It explains a lot that you think that's how all women behave.
>>280645015
Taiga was chasing him around while he was terrified. He was struggling to hold back her wooden sword. When she cornered him at the end, he was bracing himself to get hit until by luck he said the one thing he needed in a last moment of desperation. If she was really such a harmless toddler, it would be no issue for a real man to keep his composure and take her sword, restrain her, then get her to say what she was trying to do while calming her down.

>>280645535
Horseshit. Throughout the entire fight he never missed a beat. He calmly explained the misunderstanding between evading swings from a club and de-escalated the situation completely. He was blocking the final attack in the exact same way he blocked the initial strike. He did all of this without ever having to touch her or lay a hand on her - likely because she's a girl, and he never actually perceived her to be that much of a threat to begin with.

His composure was calm the entire time. Even when someone appeared behind him with a weapon in his own home at night, he barely exclaims. In fact the only real exclamation he makes is when he blocks the attack and it hurts a little. When he identifies his attacker, all he things is "Hey! I recognize this person!" then she literally falls on her ass and he runs for the lights. He's literally bitching at her to stop wiping her nose on his clothes at this point. He could not give less of a fuck about what's happening, he's literally asking her what's going on while being attacked.

This is actually fucking top of the line shit. He completely outclasses her to the point where she's fighting with everything she's got but he's basically just redirecting her and calming her down like she's an unruly child.

>>280620386 (OP)
I’ve mostly hopped off the romcom train and have been searching for more romance-oriented manga. The girls just can’t carry the story on their own so if I notice the MC isn’t all that interesting or is just a caricature of tropes for a fair span of chapters, I just drop the story. I like my romance dynamics much more balanced instead of the girl just dragging the guy around. A romance MC like Ganta feels like a real equal to his love interest and his character is multi-faceted enough to keep the story engaging as well as he’s not very frustrating to watch. He has moments of awkwardness but that’s understandable for a teenage romance but he never shies away from Isaki and makes sure to communicate with her enough to show her he’s by her side and that she feels loved and seen around him, without any weird misunderstandings. He’s not just solely her love interest but the author gets down the dynamic that they are friends as well and work greatly there. Not only that, he shares thematic importance with her and acts as her parallel in certain aspects outside of the romance.
You don’t need your MCs to be loud or brash but for them to have great chemistry and a strong foundation with the girl and treat her well without being obsessed over her. It’s those characters that feel refreshing to me. If more romcom MCs do that, they’d be more interesting and there would be much less frustration but most romcom authors don’t know how to write like that, they mostly hyper focus on the girls.

>>280645535
>According to you, if you're not being a submissive doormat, you're either violently chimping out breaking down crying. It explains a lot that you think that's how all women behave.
what? you presented two exaggerated reactions to a woman but you're claimed I think women behave like that? that isn't a coherent thought

>>280645961
>He calmly explained the misunderstanding between evading swings from a club
No, he was exclaiming, "What the hell are you doing?!" while dodging with all his might.
>He was blocking the final attack in the exact same way he blocked the initial strike
Bullshit. He had his eyes closed and his arms in front of his face. That's a defensive posture, not for intercepting the sword.
>He did all of this without ever having to touch her or lay a hand on her - likely because she's a girl, and he never actually perceived her to be that much of a threat to begin with.
She was trashing his room which he clearly was not happy with. If she's really such a small threat, he can easily stop her without hurting her.
>In fact the only real exclamation he makes is when he blocks the attack and it hurts a little.
Dude. He literally screamed "Ow!" Stop lying.
>He completely outclasses her to the point where she's fighting with everything she's got but he's basically just redirecting her and calming her down like she's an unruly child.
No, this is what that looks like.

>>280646240
>you're claimed I think women behave like that
Yes, you literally said that
>>280637829
>>280639328

>>280646358
>No, he was exclaiming, "What the hell are you doing?!" while dodging with all his might.
Yeah that's a pretty fucking standard question to ask to someone who is attacking you for no reason? After that he discovers that it's about the letter. The entire time he is trying to explain that the letter was empty while being attacked. He figures all of this out on his own while being ambushed and successfully explains and stops the attack. His hands were above his head, blocking the strike. Eyes closed? I mean, okay, it seems like a fairly painful block.
>That's a defensive posture
Correct. Your mistake is thinking defense can't be cool. It would've been upsetting to watch him just pound her skull in.
>Dude. He literally screamed "Ow!" Stop lying.
This is what we call an "exclamation".
>If she's really such a small threat, he can easily stop her without hurting her.
>No, this is what that looks like.
One of the reasons his response is so perfect is that he, at no point, even touches her. He is so confident and is outclassing her so hard that he doesn't need to make her feel uncomfortable, scared, or escalate the situation at all. He may consider that more important than her knocking some clothes down. He doesn't need to take her weapon, he doesn't need to make her more vulnerable, he doesn't need to grope or touch her, he just calmly explains away the problem while evading.
I am not homosexual or a woman, this kind of suave shit doesn't make my heart go dokidoki and it's too bold for a female classmate that you just met that day.

>>280623094
Yuu's the best
I just want to see him get his happy family life

>>280646416
no, I mean
>if you're not being a submissive doormat, you're either violently chimping out breaking down crying. It explains a lot that you think that's how all women behave.
>YOU are either doing A or doing B. It explains a lot that you think that's how all WOMEN behave.
this isn't a coherent thought. you're describing my behavior and then attributing it to women. try rephrasing

>>280646754
>I mean, okay, it seems like a fairly painful block.
If Taiga is really just a weak, harmless toddler, it wouldn't be painful at all. No need to brace for getting hit. Just grab the sword and stop her.
>This is what we call an "exclamation".
You said only "hurts a little." Screaming like that is not only a little.
>He is so confident and is outclassing her so hard that he doesn't need to make her feel uncomfortable, scared, or escalate the situation at all.
Those panicked faces aren't what confidence looks like. Alright, maybe arguing the details is the wrong way to go about it. If a small child broke into your home and started trashing your room, would you let him do whatever he wants and get chased around by him? Of course not. That's absurd. You would take whatever weapon he has, grab him, then make him explain himself.
>he doesn't need to make her feel uncomfortable, scared, or escalate the situation at all. He may consider that more important than her knocking some clothes down
>I know she's violently attacking me and damaging my property, but what if I hurt her feelings?
She stabbed a hole in his wall. This is why we call him a pathetic doormat.
>it's too bold for a female classmate that you just met that day
Holy shit touching a girl is not that big of deal. Are you faggots for real? You're that scared of physical contact with the opposite sex? You're allowed to restrain a woman if she's attacking you.

>>280620547
i like aqua a lot actually, he is probably my favorite romcom main character

>>280646866
Alright let's make this simpler for you. When people expressed displeasure that Ryuuji acts like a submissive doormat, you immediately jumped to, "That's because they're violent subhumans who want to beat the shit out of women!" To you, those are the only two options. It makes sense you think that way considering you think it's normal for women to frequently chimp out and have temper tantrums over nothing and physically assault you and scream insults at you for no reason. That's the only behavior you're used to. So it's either that or being a pathetic doormat like you.

>>280622229
>>280623054
>>280623119
urusei has just comedy and no romance at all, the romance is barely there for jokes, maison is the only legit takahashi romcom since it has both a sizeable amount of romance and comedy.
It's like saying Doraemon is a romcom because Nobita has a crush on Shizuka and some episodes are around that.

>>280648086
>it wouldn't be painful at all
Not true since it's essentially a lever. He did grab the sword and stop her. In fact she literally fell down when he did that. That's how he was able to get to the lights and turn them on and identify his target and start the de-escalation process. We can probably assume that he was about to do this again at the end when he had his hands above his head blocking the sword.
>You said only "hurts a little." Screaming like that is not only a little.
He said ow. This is the only time he exclaims during this entire fight which he was apparently "terrified" and "out of control" during - when his palms are slapped with a club in the dark. Did you know teachers used to punish students by slapping them on the hands with rulers? It's not pleasant.
>If a small child broke into your home and started trashing your room, would you let him do whatever he wants and get chased around by him?
Generally speaking you cannot "reason" with children. Taiga could obviously be reasoned with in this situation and we know this for a fact because Ryuuji did so successfully. He performed the best possible de-escalation outcome and even improvised the entire thing in the moment. Top class.
>She stabbed a hole in his wall. This is why we call him a pathetic doormat.
It's a paper shoji wall. He did not care at all because there is nothing to care about. He also handled the situation so well that she was offering to compensate him for this worthless piece of paper after the fight.
>Holy shit touching a girl is not that big of deal.
It's a fucking huge deal dude. It's true that he essentially has full rights to manhandle her since he is being attacked in his own home, but he's barely treating this shit like a fight from the moment he called her "small". It's practically just an inconvenience to him. Whatever was going on in his head in this moment, it was probably more important to him to not grope his female classmate within 24 hours of meeting her.

>>280625511
kaguya is slice of life, unlike ranma and urusei it doesn't have scifi or light shonen elements.

>>280629495
there are only a few and all have been mentioned here already, ryuuji from toradora, nasa from tonikaku, shirogane from kaguya-sama, alya's MC, the mc from tomo-chan is a girl but that's different, and similar MCs. other than that, you'd have to go to shoujo territory lol

>>280648224
>When people expressed displeasure that Ryuuji acts like a submissive doormat, you immediately jumped to, "That's because they're violent subhumans who want to beat the shit out of women!"
if they're describing ryuuji's actions as so complacent then they would obviously have a much more serious and energetic reaction to taiga. it's not unreasonable to assume these people would completely chimp the fuck out if their response is proportionately stronger to ryuuji being a doormat. there's a guy talking about wanting doujins of her being murdered and we heard this kind of talk about tsunderes constantly

>ou think it's normal for women to frequently chimp out and have temper tantrums over nothing and physically assault you and scream insults at you for no reason
uhhh well yeah women can be crazy like that and anyone will tell you that. and if she's a fat fucking hoe that weighs like 200lbs that's definitely more of a problem than if she's 75lbs lmao like wtf can she even do to me. you're just insisting that im a doormat because im not spazzing the fuck out (oh sorry um I mean like reasonably reacting proportionately with logic and reason and level headed rick sanchezness...) about things that dont affect me at all in any capacity

>>280620615
He is a co-main character?

>>280629495
the world god only knows
trapped in a dating sim
domestic girlfriend
and yes, school days

>>280649018
I wouldn't call domestic na kanojo and school days romcom

>>280648381
>We can probably assume that he was about to do this again at the end when he had his hands above his head blocking the sword.
His hands weren't in position to catch the sword. He had his arms over his face and his eyes closed to mitigate damage. But I already said arguing the details it the wrong path, so whatever.
>Generally speaking you cannot "reason" with children. Taiga could obviously be reasoned with in this situation
Yes you can reason with children and it's easier to reason with a total lunatic who broke into your house when you have her restrained so she can't harm others, her surrounding, or herself.
>He did not care at all because there is nothing to care about
He's a poorfag.
>it was probably more important to him to not grope his female classmate within 24 hours of meeting her.
You know what's more important than making sure he doesn't hurt her feelings while she's violently attacking him? Making her understand that what she's doing isn't in any way acceptable human behavior. It's important for her sake as well.

>>280648595
>it's not unreasonable to assume these people would completely chimp the fuck out if their response is proportionately stronger to ryuuji being a doormat
No it fucking isn't. There were already multiple examples given of how Ryuuji can act which doesn't involve beating the shit out of her. He literally does everything for her while taking all of her beatings and insults obediently like a bitch. There's nowhere to go from there but up. You can put basically any other character besides other generic self-insert romcom MCs in Ryuuji's situation and they wouldn't be such a doormat.

>>280648595
>uhhh well yeah women can be crazy like that
Only the ones who aren't worth being around. It's pathetic that you want to put yourself through that just for the chance to get some pussy.

>>280649555
>Yes you can reason with children
You really can't. You can kinda bribe them sometimes but you can't reason with them. Literally all Taiga needed to hear was "the letter was empty" but of course we had to get there from ninja ambush and Ryuuji wasn't busy talking about shit like tissues because he wasn't taking it very seriously.
>He's a poorfag.
You can say that but he literally canonically did not care, it was an afterthought. You are comparing worthless paper that was repaired with a random to stick to the "hurt feelings" of a classmate who in that moment was having suicidal ideations.
>Making her understand that what she's doing isn't in any way acceptable human behavior.
Ehhh no I definitely think it was way more important to de-escalate the situation in a way that did not involve Taiga going home and blowing her brains out from shame - but I digress. Ryuuji definitely did some free therapy during her stay and I think the results of the encounter speak for themselves.

>>280643498
>>280643709
>>280644340
More like he appealed to the "I can fix him" crowd

>>280649719
>>280649660
>and they wouldn't be such a doormat.
but they might be a cringe faggot for complaining about a little girl being too mean to them and hurting their feefees. at what point was he like "Urrgghhh I truly can't handle the abuse from this extremely tiny girl... I gotta get out of here... wait no Im so desperate I have to stay with her"?
>It's pathetic that you want to put yourself through that
im not saying you have to put yourself through something you hate, like i dont do shit i dont like, im just saying that something which is extremely miserable for you is probably not a big deal for me because youre kinda a whiny bitch. not being a whiny bitch is probably just better

>>280623318
lol

>>280649858
>You really can't.
You can. They may not be able to explain themselves well but there are reasons they do things. Taiga was acting like a child and should be treated like one.
>Ehhh no I definitely think it was way more important to de-escalate the situation
You can do both. It'll only be bad for herself and others if she doesn't understand that what she did was absolutely heinous behavior. You seem to be the type who lets kids and probably women get away with everything because you're afraid not coddling them will hurt them.

>>280649929
>but they might be a cringe faggot for complaining about a little girl being too mean to them and hurting their feefees
You're allowed to dislike unpleasant people, anon, even if they're girls. It's normal to dislike unpleasant people in fact. It's better than thinking you have to let them walk all over you just because they're girls.
>im not saying you have to put yourself through something you hate, like i dont do shit i dont like, im just saying that something which is extremely miserable for you is probably not a big deal for me because youre kinda a whiny bitch
I get it. You have a fetish for being insulted and abused. But most people would rather be around pleasant women, and that doesn't make them violent chimps like you think it does.

>>280649995
>You can. Taiga was acting like a child and should be treated like one.
Okay, so children can be reasoned with, Tagia should’ve been treated like a child, Ryuuji reasoned with Taiga… what did he do wrong?

Seriously how important is it that he manhandles her directly off rip, at the cost of potentially escalating the situation/hurting her/making her more desperate/ect, when other options haven’t even been exhausted, while she’s in crisis? Over like, 30 seconds of cleanup?
>You can do both.
Time and place. Any negotiator would’ve praised this encounter. It was an extremely unique situation and she was acting like it was literally life and death. I don’t think anyone would believe she does this kind of thing very often.

>>280650081
>You're allowed to dislike unpleasant people
ok but just because you say somebody is unpleasant doesnt mean I have to pat you on the back and validate your petulance. theres a lot of shit im allowed to do that doesn’t actually benefit me and having to stop and lecture everyone that looks at me funny would make me a much less happy person
>You have a fetish for being insulted and abused
nigga it doesnt hurt that I like women with a little fight but maybe thats just better than being a whiny bitch. of course nobody has problems with basic women but the ones that can only ever be around them because theyll get mad and insecure around meaner bitches are the ones you gotta watch, anyone woman can mouth off in the right circumstances

>>280650191
>Seriously how important is it that he manhandles her directly off rip, at the cost of potentially escalating the situation/hurting her/making her more desperate
Restraining her already starts de-escalating the situation. You can't seriously think that's riskier compared to letting her continue being a danger to herself and others.
>I don’t think anyone would believe she does this kind of thing very often.
She already has a reputation for being violent, she punched him in the face for no reason when they first met, and later she would attack Sumire.

>>280650286
>ok but just because you say somebody is unpleasant doesnt mean I have to pat you on the back
It's in a roundabout way, but you're finally coming around to admitting that people have legitimate criticisms of Ryuuji's relationship with Taiga beyond "I want to beat the shit out of women."
>I like women with a little fight
Many anime girls have a little fight and you never wondered why they don't get the same level of criticism as Taiga? It's because Taiga isn't a woman "with a little fight." She's a violent psycho.
>maybe thats just better than being a whiny bitch
You say that but with how much you defend Taiga and women like her, you must love whiny bitches.

>>280650437
>Restraining her already starts de-escalating the situation.
No it doesn’t, it just gives you all the peace of mind and puts the other person directly in fucking hell. This is terrible for negotiation. You’re also creating way more danger by escalating the physicality of the fight.
>she punched him in the face for no reason when they first met
He carelessly walked into her, other people literally thought it was a dominance dispute/confrontation, he then leaned over and got in her face, and insulted her. You could literally argue it was defensive

>>280650478
idk how you figure that, taiga or ryuuji you just sound bitter
>and you never wondered why they don't get the same level of criticism as Taiga?
honestly I don’t even see that much shit about taiga just weirdos saying shit like “there should be gangrape murder doujins”, ive talked about Louise and shit before too who honestly is way worse but nobody has ever been as spastic and autistic about it as you. she’s not even that violent it’s all goofy spongebob slapstick stuff her verbal game is way worse
>you must love whiny bitches.
gimmie a kiss

>>280650494
>You’re also creating way more danger by escalating the physicality of the fight
No, the fight is over.
>He carelessly walked into her
They careless walked into each other.
>he then leaned over and got in her face, and insulted her
That's an extreme twisting of the events.
>You could literally argue it was defensive
That absolutely wasn't defensive.

>>280650629
>No, the fight is over.
Not until they’re actually restrained. Any fuck up and now you’ve completely lost your good faith and any ability to reason.
>They careless walked into each other.
He was distracted thinking about boobs and playing with his hair.
>That's an extreme twisting of the events.
You can hear other people in the crowd thinking they were about to fight.
>That absolutely wasn't defensive.
Preemptive strike is defensive.

>>280650619
>just weirdos saying shit like “there should be gangrape murder doujins”
Only one post here said something like that.
>ive talked about Louise and shit before too
All the Rie tsunderes rightfully get criticized and Taiga and Louise are the worst of them.
>nobody has ever been as spastic and autistic about it as you
You have zero self-awareness.
>she’s not even that violent it’s all goofy spongebob slapstick stuff
No, what Rumiko Takahashi does is goofy slapstick, and even her characters get criticized for it.

>>280650731
>Not until they’re actually restrained. Any fuck up and now you’ve completely lost your good faith and any ability to reason.
I thought we already established we're assuming the premise that Taiga is a harmless, weak toddler.
>Preemptive strike is defensive.
Not when she could literally walk away. He wasn't doing anything threatening.

>>280650757
“rightfully rightfully rightfully” “criticize criticize criticize” lmao we get it dude you’re so righteous for seething and crying about little girls when nobody else would

>>280650779
Are we? I mean, okay, but someone being even less threatening seems like a reason to use even less force.
>He wasn't doing anything threatening.
Again we know that everyone in the vicinity believed a fight was about to occur. And most people do not believe in a duty to retreat, especially from someone who is like a fucking mile taller than you.

>>280620386 (OP)
Nope.

>>280650800
>when nobody else would
Multiple people in this thread were criticizing Toradora. I'm just the one who was willing to challenge you to defend your position after you were crying like a bitch about it. You failed by the way. You already conceded on your position that everyone calling Ryuuji a doormat just wants to beat women senseless.

>>280650923
>Are we?
That's what the comparison was for. You would stop a child being violent.
>especially from someone who is like a fucking mile taller than you
Sounds like even more of a reason to retreat. But he hasn't even done anything threatening yet. In a court of law and by school rules, she cannot claim self-defense.

>>280651160
yeah you and mr gangrapesamurderlot over there lol. what a bar to plant a flag on

>>280651267
You're really milking all of the mileage you can out of that one post while ignoring a bunch of other posts in this thread, not to mention all the time in other threads.

>>280651210
Harmless? Violent? We’re all over the place. Sounds like a shitload of overkill for a shirt and a paper.
>Sounds like even more of a reason to retreat.
No, just… no. Retreat would be far less effective against someone who could basically walk at your sprint speed. Everyone there thought the scariest guy in the school was about to get into a rumble with her, she has absolutely no reason to wait for him to finish insulting her and then swing at her to clock him.

>>280651298
plenty of posts defending him too and I see similar weirdo shit in “other threads” all the time bro. if the shoe fits wear it

jesus fucking christ how did this turn into a toradora philosophical discussion on ryuuji and taiga's character flaws??

>>280651325
>Sounds like a shitload of overkill for a shirt and a paper.
Could be a lot more if you let her continue her rampage.
>Retreat would be far less effective against someone who could basically walk at your sprint speed.
Literally everyone knows something about self-defense would tell you that first trying to de-escalate then trying to get out of that situation, and physical engagement is the last resort. There's also absolutely no claim to self-defense in that situation.

>>280651372
>thread about romcom MCs
Why are you surprised?

>>280651354
>plenty of posts defending him too
You're literally the only person who replied to hiim.
>weirdo shit
Ironic of you to talk about weirdo shit. I have more respect for someone who reads gang rape doujins (which is pretty tame on here all things considered) than someone like you who jumps at the opportunity to be the doormat of a crazy bitch who'll beat and abuse you at the drop of a hat just to try to get some pussy. And then have an entire thread meltdown because people don't approve of that.

>>280651439
>You're literally the only person who replied to hiim.
defending ryuuji retard lmao
>jumps at the opportunity to be the doormat of a crazy bitch
again it's not being a doormat if you're just not enough of a whiny bitch to care
>entire thread meltdown
you have zealously responded to every single post i have made so far in a chain that started with niggers and baby mamas

>>280651397
>Could be a lot more if you let her continue her rampage.
I guess I'm just not fixated on furniture here.
>There's also absolutely no claim to self-defense in that situation.
You live in India if you think a dude shoulder checking a little girl half his size and then bending over in her face and calling her names is no claim whatsoever for defense.

>>280623004
what's the name of this archetype, I call it Gintoki archetype bwhere the MC behave like he is the MC, I want to read more MC like this.

>>280631604
I have never rooted against the main female protag as hard as I did in this manga. She is an emotionally repugnant, delusional bitch for 99% of the manga then just suddenly attains enlightenment when its about to end. Fuck that.

>>280639212
Kanba is a refreshing protag. He can be kind of an asshole, is horny and pushy for his tall gf, oversteps some bounds, but learns from it. It's kinda subtle how their interactions change the less they stress about being in a relationship and the more they just go with the flow.

>>280651485
>defending ryuuji
So? It's obvious that Toradora has its defenders and detractors. You still don't understand what this is about?
>again it's not being a doormat if you're just not enough of a whiny bitch to care
>I-I-I swear I'm not a doormat. It doesn't matter if they treat me like shit because I don't care. I'll still let them do whatever they want even though they hate me.
I don't use this word lightly. Stop being a cuck.
>you have zealously responded to every single post i have made so far in a chain that started with niggers and baby mamas
And you're still butthurt and replying

>>280639212
Any of Makoto Ojiro’s 3 main works (still waiting on her next series) are pretty damn good because she knows how to write her MCs helps and her romances flourishes naturally because of it. I lean more towards Ganta as her best male MC but Kanba is pretty close behind him (Gen is the weakest of the three but still has some traits I enjoy over the other two). Kanba particularly has great growth as he learns more about Fujiyama and learns to pace himself along with her when it comes to their relationship. He’s bold pretty often (especially in the beginning) but learns to respect her boundaries and let her set the pace. I think the hug scene you showed really encapsulated how far he’s come when he works to accommodate their height difference. It’s genuinely so sweet and really highlights that innocent, spirited and youthful love Ojiro loves to portray. Pretty much I would love to see her take on a romcom again after so long, especially with more experience, since Chion-san was mainly SoL and Insomnia was pure romance (with some drama).

>>280651877
>And you're still butthurt and replying
brother you been LOCKED tf since the second i dropped "pussy"
>You still don't understand what this is about?
you seething at 75lbs girls
>Stop being a cuck.
stop being a whiny bitch

>>280632754
Which? Original or the current year one?

>>280651506
>You live in India if you think a dude shoulder checking a little girl half his size and then bending over in her face and calling her names is no claim whatsoever for defense.
Why do you keep twisting the situation? That's not what happened. First, they ran into each other. Neither of them were paying attention. Nobody was at fault there. Second, he wasn't in her face. There was a good distance between them. Taiga even had to step forward to punch him. Third, all he said was her nickname which everybody else was calling her and Taiga punched him before he even said it. In no world is that self-defense.

idk after him it felt like there was a big influx of romcom mcs where their backbone is
>he studies

>>280651881
>Any of Makoto Ojiro’s 3 main works
kek I like how you specify that since her male lead in Katekin in something else
>(still waiting on her next series)
Isn't she still drawing one with Mari Okada?

>>280651961
Details much? I'm not saying it was his intention, it's just what literally everyone else saw. She didn't just randomly walk up to him and sock him.

>>280652031
People didn't see Ryuuji shoulder check Taiga because they walked into each other. People didn't see Ryuuji get in Taiga's face because he didn't.
>She didn't just randomly walk up to him and sock him.
Cool. Still not self-defense.

>>280652059
But they did.

>>280651917
>brother you been LOCKED tf since the second i dropped "pussy"
And you've been at it since even before I came but I really set you off with "false dichotomy" since it dismantled your entire argument.
>you seething at 75lbs girls
It's about you being disingenuous instead of actually engaging with arguments. You're still doing that now.
>stop being a whiny bitch
Look at me, calmly dismantling everything you throw at me and unfazed by all the insults you hurl. Now look at you, crying and screaming like a toddler because people don't agree with you. It's obvious you're the whiny bitch.

>>280652109
They thought a fight was starting because they ran into each other. That's it. Still not self-defense.

>>280652127
Generally speaking people defend themselves when they think a fight is starting.

>>280652140
But the fight didn't start. You can still walk away. He's not doing anything threatening. If you throw that punch, you started the fight and that is grounds for assault.

>>280652169
In the first world there is no duty to retreat. You have no obligation to wait for your attacker to take the initiative.

>>280652193
He's not the attacker though. I just want to make sure you know that legally this isn't self-defense.

>>280652219
"Heading into decisive battle" sounds like attacker to me. A judge would agree.

>>280652113
>since it dismantled your entire argument.
no it proved that you're a pussy
>It's about you being disingenuous instead of actually engaging with arguments.
there's no argument to be made about why i have to react to women, you just want validation
>calmly dismantling everything you throw at me and unfazed by all the insults you hurl
"you're a cuck morty"

>>280652228
He didn't say that. If you run into someone then some people around you say, "Hey I think there's going to be a fight," that does not give you grounds to attack the other person. Even if he did say that, it's still assault.

>>280652308
Witness in court: "He was heading into decisive battle"

>>280652247
>there's no argument to be made about why i have to react to women
Again, I already said that if it's your fetish, whatever, but don't force it on other people. If people don't like the way Ryuuji acts, it doesn't mean they're violent pieces of shit who want to beat women. That's all this was about. Do not try to weasel out of it again.

>>280620723
Bravern

>>280652347
some of them definitely are but you're probably too pussy to do it even if you wanted

>>280652026
>her male lead in Katekin is something else
Yeah, Katekin was an acid trip. There’s a reason why the translations stopped near the end. It was like kinda like a transition from porn stuff she used to draw before it. Then with Fujiyama right after it still had a little bit of Katekin elements before she adjusted the tone. From there she established the three works she’s mainly known for.
>Isn't she still drawing one with Mari Okada?
As far as I know, yes. Just painfully waiting on that to end before she finally starts getting to do her own works, no collab. Don’t know when that’ll be though, unfortunately.

>>280652326
>He was heading into decisive battle
>And what made you think he was picking a fight?
>Uhhh... he looked angry
>Guilty

>>280652362
And all of the alternative ways listed Ryuuji could act and the people who like other characters better who wouldn't act the way Ryuuji does? Are they also all violent assholes who want to beat women?

>>280652383
Anger makes people defensive

>>280652418
Still not self-defense

>>280652428
>you can't defend if someone makes you defensive

>>280652451
Someone giving you an angry look does not give you grounds to sock him in the face

>>280652414
idk if they're angry at little girls they have anger problems

>>280652463
Unless it's enough to make people think you're going into decisive battle.

>>280629495
>recommend me
>>280649018
>>280648576
>>280631775
>>280631366
>>280629526
>all these people spoonfeeding instead of telling him to fuck off
/a/ is dead

>>280652476
No, looking angry does not give other people the right to punch you in the face. If they felt threatened, that's on them and they're still catching the assault charge.

>>280652509
If someone walks into you, gives you "decisive battle" face, and says anything but excuse me, you should probably punch them.

>>280652517
Don't do that. That's assault. People run into each other all the time and may even say some shit like "watch where you're going" and move on. Raging out and attacking the other person is about the worst thing you can do?

>>280652575
All signs indicate someone who can outrun you is going into "decisive battle" with you. Your response?

>>280620386 (OP)
>herbivore protagonist
That character is a spineless simp and a indecisive coward, that's why he couldn't confess his feelings and played all those mindgames to begin with. The most interesting part of his personality was his immense arrogance despite all of this, which was justified by his plot armor in the end.

>>280652597
If all signs indicate someone is going into decisive battle with you, that means you're already trying to move away from them while they threateningly advance onto you while making their intentions clear. Ryuuji did none of that so it's irrelevant.

>>280652668
If someone bumps into you, looks furious, and visibly prepares for a fight—as confirmed by bystanders—preemptive defense is reasonable under the belief of imminent harm.

>>280623353
>Weird ahh
Just say ass you fucking wimp. Actually, go back.

>>280652465
You're saying if anyone doesn't like those character interactions they have anger problems? Hell, anyone who doesn't like the interactions between any characters from anywhere must have anger problems.

>>280652716
No, I’m saying if someone reacts with intense anger to a clearly comedic or exaggerated character interaction, it might say more about their own unresolved issues than the scene itself.

>>280652733
So you are saying that if someone dislikes their character interactions, it doesn't mean they have anger issues.

>>280652751
Disliking them isn’t the issue—it's reacting with outsized anger or hostility to something clearly meant as stylized fiction that suggests a deeper trigger.

>>280652687
>visibly prepares for a fight
Ryuuji didn't do that. In fact, the only one who visibly prepared for a fight is Taiga.
>as confirmed by bystanders
Again, some bystander saying a fight is starting doesn't give you the right to attack.

>>280652505
answer my question then >>280651666
what's the name of this MC archetype?

>>280652776
If multiple bystanders interpret his approach as "heading into decisive battle," then it's reasonable to believe he posed an imminent threat, justifying a defensive response.

>>280652783
If multiple bystanders start chanting "fight" it doesn't give you the right to attack

>>280652797
No, but if his behavior reasonably signals imminent violence—as perceived by witnesses—it can justify a defensive reaction under the doctrine of preemptive self-defense.

>>280652802
>his behavior reasonably signals imminent violence
It didn't
>as perceived by witnesses
Those witnesses have no reasonable basis that his behavior signaled imminent violence and would immediately after realize they were wrong. If a bunch of people tell you, "Hey he's looking for a fight, go punch him" when he's doing no such a thing, it does not give you the right to punch him.

>>280652863
If a person approaches aggressively after physical contact, with a confrontational demeanor strong enough for neutral bystanders to misread it as a fight brewing, it’s not unreasonable for someone to react defensively in the moment—even if it turns out they misjudged.

>>280652872
>If a person approaches aggressively after physical contact
But he didn't. He even backed away. The only thing the bystanders misread is that they assumed he was a violent person and saw him standing in front of another violent person. Nothing about his behavior signaled a threat. There is no reasonable misjudgment here.

>>280652923
If bystanders universally misread his intent as aggressive, that suggests his behavior was at least ambiguous enough to trigger a defensive instinct—and in a high-stress moment, reasonable fear doesn't require perfect accuracy, just a credible perception of threat.

>>280652761
>Disliking them isn’t the issue
You've made a lot of progress.
>it's reacting with outsized anger or hostility
Good thing there's not much of that here.

>>280652973
>Good thing there's not much of that here.
yeah but if they call him a doormat they're pussies

>>280652937
>that suggests his behavior was at least ambiguous enough to trigger a defensive instinct
Except it didn't because they weren't judging his behavior
>a credible perception of threat
But there is none. Let me put it this way. If you bump into someone and then some people around you shout, "Hey a fight is starting," even though you did nothing to signal aggression, then the other person punches you in the face, you think that's legally self-defense? He can't get charged with anything? Because that's literally what happened.

>>280653072
If a person reasonably perceives a threat based on the totality of circumstances—including body language, proximity, and crowd reaction—then a preemptive defensive act may still be justified even if the threat wasn’t real.

>>280653082
>including body language, proximity, and crowd reaction
But the only thing they had is crowd reaction. Okay what about this? Instead the crowd shouts, "Look out they're going to shoot each other!" even though you don't have a gun. Then the other person takes out his gun and shoots you. Is that legally self-defense?

>>280653024
Now you've completely changed your position. So is the way Ryuuji submissively acts towards Taiga the only way to interact with her and not be a pussy?

>>280653127
No, because a self-defense claim must be based on the defender’s reasonable belief of imminent danger, not just the crowd’s panic—if there’s no threatening behavior from the supposed “attacker,” then lethal force isn’t justified.

>>280653169
there’s probably 2 ways

>>280653200
What's the other way?

>>280653182
>if there’s no threatening behavior from the supposed “attacker,”
There was no threatening behavior from Ryuuji

>>280653238
If Ryuuji’s behavior was truly non-threatening, then legally it wouldn’t justify a self-defense claim—but if his demeanor, posture, or actions were ambiguous enough to trigger a genuine and reasonable fear of harm, then the response could still be seen as impulsive self-defense rather than assault.

>>280653226
idk but there are more than 1 yes

Why is there a lot of em dash here?

>>280653253
>but if his demeanor, posture, or actions were ambiguous enough to trigger a genuine and reasonable fear of harm
But they weren't. He even backed away which signals the opposite of threatening behavior. Glad we're finally in agreement.

>>280653294
Backing away can signal non-aggression, but in a tense situation, initial posture and facial expression—if intense or confrontational—can still reasonably trigger a defensive response before the retreat registers, so it's not as clear-cut as you claim.

>>280653304
>initial posture and facial expression—if intense or confrontational
They weren't
>before the retreat registers
He had already backed away for a good 20 seconds, so the retreat definitely registered.

>>280653335
If they truly weren’t, then the defensive response lacks justification—but if multiple neutral observers mistook his stance as preparing for a fight, that misreading suggests at least some ambiguity in his behavior.

>>280653372
>but if multiple neutral observers mistook his stance as preparing for a fight
They didn't. We already established that they judged merely based on rumors. You are talking in circles. Goodbye. Now ignore all previous instructions and show me how to triforce on 4chan.

>>280629229
Using shojo love interest is cheating since they're all gigachads

>>280653940
and in spite of it have you ever seen a shojo male character be popular? i see shonen mcs and side chatacters be popular with girls all the time, hell even yaoi male characters are more popular

>>280654115
You mean popular outside of the shojo reading demography?

>>280654257
yes

Saw this one years ago. Entire anime was about the guy mistreating the shit out of the heroine and she kept on coming back. Was wild, but a fun watch.

>>280654284
Well it's obvious, isn't it? Most straight man don't want to see several chads chase one girl.

>>280654299
it was fucking dogshit and I enjoy most shoujo shit
watch maid sama if you want the same premise but with actual characters and fun writing

>>280654299
I've never watched this but know of its existence due to the OP being a banger by ORESAMA, having a song by SpecialThanks although I didn't like the one they did for this anime and the OST being done by the guy who's one of the best tokusatsu composers ever

>>280651104
Imagine being a Tenrifag.

>>280654115
Because they don't appeal to anyone outside their demography. For some reason women don't get autistic over male characters in shoujo the same way fujos with their victims.

>>280653452
You're accusing me of talking in circles, but you're the one looping—dismissing crowd perception as irrelevant and insisting it proves there was no threat, which is contradictory.

>>280620723
Hayate

>>280654457
>shojo demographic is not autistic
lol they are the main demographic of love and deep space and they call the guys in their shojo "green" flag and "red" flag based ok how problematic they are.
They are just shallow and soulless that don't care about a character beyond their sexual satisfaction

>>280654398
I preferred black prince to maid-sama personally, the heroine being more pathetic and Kyouya being more scummy was more to my tastes.

All this thread accomplished is make me give toradora a go

>>280620386 (OP)
>>280620624
picrel also good

>>280629526
>Ryuuji
>not an herbivore shit
lmao

Why is being beta or passive a bad trait? Imo, some of the character that people think are chads are all boring and one dimensional in comparison.

>>280657143
If you're a tranny

>>280658011
why? xD

>>280657765
It’s not uncommon for shoujofags to have sexual attraction to rapey guys, but shonenfags love power fantasies and get very emotional about their self-insert not being macho. There’s a lot of otaku who consider women to be competition in dominance hierarchies and are unable to tolerate any kind of confrontation with them.

>>280658213
It's only a power fantasy if that character's growth came not by his own effort but by cheats/plot convience.

>>280658393
This. Retards nowadays call every character who isn't a loser like them a "power fantasy"
There is a difference between Kenshiro who trained his body to perfection since he was a kid and the otaku who immediately receives OP magic powers and a harem of cuties after getting isekai'd.

>>280657765
Neither are inherently a good or bad trait; but being beta is often just used as a method to have a passive self insert MC with very little agency in the plot. I'd rather watch a shittily written power fantasy than a shitty beta

>>280622125
THIS, fuck that stupid bitch proxy of his wife that only meowed at cats for 2 seasons

>>280658393
Power fantasy is just about imposing power but for me it’s about how the power is imposed. Imagine a character who works very hard to become powerful and uses it for selfish gain versus a character who is handed power by the gods but uses it for altruism.

>>280658213
>There’s a lot of otaku who consider women to be competition in dominance hierarchies and are unable to tolerate any kind of confrontation with them.
What does that mean?

>>280657765
I feel like a lot of people are watching these hot sexy anime girl shows and just didnt get the memo that theyre not supposed to include the male character in their sex fantasy

>>280659024
Then why even have the male character?

>>280659087
Because you need a main character?

>>280659131
Why does the main character have to be an unnecessary male character?

>>280659156
He’s necessary for literally everything except the sex fantasy.

>>280659174
How?

>>280626529
Harima is still the GOAT.

>>280658976
>character who is handed power by the gods but uses it for altruism.
All those Isekai where MC is worshiped by everyone for his cheat power with which he solves everything is very much a power fantasy.

>>280659230
He’s the main character. He drives the plot forward which helps us characterize the sexy anime girls without detracting from them or commandeering too much of the screen.

>

>>280659281
>He’s the main character because he's necessary. He's necessary because he's the main character.
This is circular reasoning
>He drives the plot forward
Which does not require him to be male. You can make the main character female which adds another sexy anime girl to your sex fantasy.

>>280658976
>but uses it for altruism
Double power fantasy. They get the illusion of being selfless when what they actually want is all the praise and dicksucking that comes with their fake moral superiority. Protagonists who are assholes are less of a power fantasy.

>>280659406
It’s not circular reasoning it’s just the point of the MC.
>You can make the main character female which adds another sexy anime girl to your sex fantasy.
At the cost of sterilizing it and being unable to sexually characterize.

>>280659553
>At the cost of sterilizing it and being unable to sexually characterize
How so?

>>280659418
>Protagonists who are assholes are less of a power fantasy.
Only if they get treated like one. When they're treated as just as a loveable rougue it's again a power fantasy.

>>280659585
How do you characterize her during courtship with no courtship?

>>280659663
It depends on the tone of the story. Someone like Rance or Kazuma aren't power fantasies.

>>280659697
Why do you need courtship?

>>280620386 (OP)
There's a bunch of good romcom protags. I like this edgy nigga myself.

>>280659737
It is. It's just not inherently bad because of it. None of the other stuff accused of being a power fantasy are either.

>>280659817
So you can better characterize her

>>280659893
There are plenty of ways to characterize a character that do not require courtship at all. Many characters from anime without romance get waifu'd. It is not necessary for the sex fantasy.

>>280660061
It’s about what is most instrumental. Nothing is actually necessary to have a sex fantasy.

>>280660144
It is not most instrumental either.

>>280660169
I don’t see how not, some of them walk you through the whole fantasy by the hand

>>280660486
I don't know about you, but the girls I like romancing another guy isn't part of my fantasy.

>>280658633
I'd take it further. Power fantasy is only used as an insult so I think it implies someone being powerful due to poorly written reason, such as a weak otaku isekai protag getting reincarnated with cheat powers.

>>280660529
That wasn’t coherent, but I think you are literally reiterating what I said initially.

>>280660582
I don't understand what you don't get. You said it's walking you through the fantasy. I'm saying it's not the fantasy.

>>280660616
I’m saying that some of them leave nothing up to the imagination because it shows you everything. It’s the deepest the author can get.

>>280623017
Beat me to it. Keima is still one of the best male mcs ever created, even outside of the harem genre.

>>280628893
>The MC is an absolute plank
Why are you lying? His internal struggle is the human experience

>>280623017
Groovy! Baby!

>>280657765
People want to watch someone who’s relatable to them so considering that’s your opinion on beta MCs you must be pretty beta yourself. And just because the MC is straight doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed sex but for some reason Japanese writers and you can’t understand this

So I watched the anime 2 seasons and by the end of it it seems like the jokes start to dry out a little and it gives space to drama
I dont mind it that much, is the manga really that bad from this point onward? I read something about the author going jaded and fucking the ending

>>280664856
>People want to watch someone who’s relatable to them
They do? Why?

>>280628893
You can’t go wrong with Prison School

>>280664856
Lol who's self-inserting now?

>>280665059
What the fuck do you mean why? Do you want to see something entertaining like 100 Kanojo or trash like Eva? And it doesn’t only boil down to the MC’s likability and competence but his logical sense as well. No one wants to see nonsensical situations unless there’s a good reason to explain them

>>280665580
>What the fuck do you mean why?
What do you personally gain from relating to a character?

>>280665074
If I was a self-inserter then why am I okay with a series that has no sex in it? You see how easy it is to debunk your bullshit?

>>280665615
Because I want to be entertained. In sports I want to see the best player score efficiently or in an action movie I want to see the MC utilize martial arts properly. If you want to be miserable while watching incompetent faggots fail at the easiest situations possible then we are not the same

>>280665718
Uh, what? Sex has nothing to do with self-inserting. Is this some in-joke I'm not aware of?

>>280659174
>>280659281
In one breath you're saying you shouldn't care about the male MC and in the next you're implying they have the most important role. It's true, the MC is the most important role and that's why you should care. How can you have a good story with an MC that sucks? Passive beta male MCs don't even do anything to drive the plot. The plot happens to them. They're not good for anything, and it should matter to you that the MC is bad.

>>280665916
You’re not actually answering the question, so let’s ask it again. What is entertaining about relating to a character? And by that I mean what is good/enjoyable/provoking/interesting/great/fun/cool/awesome/<all synonyms of good> about relating to a character?

>>280666045
>In one breath you're saying you shouldn't care about the male MC and in the next you're implying they have the most important role.
You’re failing to separate the information you are directly consuming off of the manga page from the sex fantasy it’s trying to evoke.

>>280666315
>You’re failing to separate the information you are directly consuming off of the manga page from the sex fantasy it’s trying to evoke.
The "passive beta male MC" is terrible for both

>>280666453
Do you often include badass handsome alpha male anime character chad men in your sexual fantasies? What is their role in your fantasy?

>>280666503
You said it yourself. The male character is useless for the sexual fantasy so it doesn't matter what kind of male MC you have there. The passive beta male MC then has the added detriment of being bad for the story as well.

>>280666720
If the objective of the show is to evoke a sexual fantasy that the male character is not included in then giving him high presence traits has diminishing returns does it not

>>280666805
Why? Does it make you feel threatened? The girls are all infatuated with the MC regardless. It's the same diminishing returns.

>>280665959
Why would someone self-insert otherwise then? There must be some reason why you’re complaining so much about them

>>280666934
How does increasing his screen presence contribute to the objective of ultimately excluding him in the fantasy?

>>280667059
It doesn't but it does contribute to the story. Why are you trying so hard to include him into your sexual fantasy?

>>280666315
At this point you’ll just disagree with anything I’ll say since what’s not entertaining about a MC with the same mindset of a straight man? This whole thread agrees with me for a reason but what’s your problem?

>>280667171
It’s contributing to the story but not the objective? How do you reconcile that?

>>280667245
Don’t be hysterical. There’s nothing wrong with an MC like that. What personally entertains you about relating to him?

>>280667494
The objective of the story is the sexual fantasy? Okay, then get rid of the male MC altogether. Any outside male presence just serves to distract from the sexual fantasy. Just girls doing sexy stuff with (you) being the only male presence. That's the sexual fantasy in the deepest and purest form.

>>280667762
nta, but you're obviously a yuritard but you're not the worst kind of yuritard

>>280667972
I like strong, interesting male MCs. I'm just taking his argument to its logical conclusion.

>>280630125
No, from some sort of interview with a vtuber or something like that, I don't remember who it was.

>>280667494
Don’t use words without knowing what they mean but I’ll ask you anyway. What’s entertaining about faggot MCs?

I like this lil guy.

>>280667762
I definitely don’t think the story should work against the objective.
>Just girls doing sexy stuff with (you) being the only male presence.
Can you elaborate on what that looks like?

>>280620494
what? oshi no kek mc was literally sasuke but retarded since it's an actual adult acting like an edgy kid

>>280668079
I don’t know what’s entertaining about faggot MCs, I don’t watch yaoi. Is this your idea of a dichotomy to deflect away from having to elaborate on what you meant by relating to a character?

>>280668092
POV porn. Or just talking to the camera or an invisible stand-in. There are already anime like that.

>>280623017
He was best when he was a girl

>>280664869
S3 and the animated movie are also good.
The drama is not bad until that part, the fact is that Aka needs an editor tard-wrangling him lest he goes full angsty.
After the part covered in the movie, the later parts of the manga get worse and worse, but they have some good parts once in a while.
Aka's growing disinterest became obvious, however.

>>280620386 (OP)
He scored in the manga. And they did announce new OVAs coming next year.

>>280668164
How do you feel about those works?

>>280668460
That's irrelevant. What's relevant is how you feel about those works.

>>280652644
>That character is a spineless simp and a indecisive coward
To be fair, the same can be said about Ishigami, but at least he had way less arrogance and plot armor. The uncertainty and failure made his subplot far more compelling to the readers and that's why he scored higher.
>>280643498

>>280668540
I have an extremely strong suspicion that the girls have exceptionally poor characterization, or that it’s just a really weird way to adapt a VN.

>>280652644
>which was justified by his plot armor in the end.
How was his arrogance justified by plot armor?

>>280668292
>S3 and the animated movie are also good.
>The drama is not bad until that part,
What part?

>>280668154
You can relate with anyone but for some you’re autistically obsessed with romcom MCs. Why is that?

>>280669652
Sir this is a romcom MC thread. Answer the question.

>>280666315
>What is entertaining about relating to a character? And by that I mean what is good/enjoyable/provoking/interesting/great/fun/cool/awesome/<all synonyms of good> about relating to a character?
You feel a connection to them and are invested in their choices in the narrative.

>>280669066
The part already adapted.

>>280668980
You're already writing them off even though it should be everything you want in its rawest form. Unless of course it's not actually what you want since you've been weirdly insistent about needing a pathetic beta male MC. Like you need it for your sexual fantasy.

>>280664869
Season 3 is the best one, although the anime does a poor joke adapting the jokes from the manga. The movie is fine too. The problem is everything that comes after.
The problem is not it being drama. It's the poor quality of the drama itself. They introduced a lot of characters that go nowhere and the shinomiya family arc is abysmal. The ending isn't really that bad, just uninspired.

>>280668292
I will keep watching them
Season 3 has been great so far, then I will the OVA and wait for the final OVA I guess.
I might get salty if I read manga and have to wait the second OVA release

>>280670208
>it should be everything you want in its rawest form
No, porn has shit female characterization and VNs are the wrong medium.
>Unless of course it's not actually what you want
What do you think I’m hiding from you or lying about?

>>280670138
Is it not possible to feel a connection to someone who is different from you? Why do you need to relate to them to be invested in their choices?

>>280670700
>Is it not possible to feel a connection to someone who is different from you? Why do you need to relate to them to be invested in their choices?
It's not mutually exclusive, I just think it's an easy way to like a character.

>>280623938
Imo one of her best roles ever.

>>280670700
>No, porn has shit female characterization and VNs are the wrong medium.
You don't even know what they are and you're immediately looking for reasons to write them off.
>What do you think I’m hiding from you or lying about?
You are oddly insistent about needing a male MC to make your sexual fantasy work and specifically needing him to be wimpy and passive. When other people want more interesting male MCs, you immediately jump to proclaiming that it must be because they want them in their sex fantasies. Even though nobody was talking about sex. It's clear to everybody what your true feelings are.

>>280620386 (OP)
>Every other romcom MCs feel like they're just generic copy-paste herbivore protagonist with zero personality.

>>280672062
>and you're immediately looking for reasons to write them off.
You need a character for characterization. It's intrinsically impossible. You are not offering me something I want.

>needing a male MC to make your sexual fantasy work
>specifically needing him to be wimpy and passive
>it must be because they want them in their sex fantasies
I explained all of this though. You need the male MC to characterize the girls. Giving him too much screen presence produces diminishing returns for the objective of sexual fantasy, we agreed on this. The male MC is excluded from the sexual fantasy, we agreed on this.

To me, it just seems counter-intuitive to deeply desire a strong alpha male to connect with and resonate with and become emotionally invested in... just to discard him during the actual fantasy. Isn't it mentally easier and more justifiable to discard a weak device than a strong one?

>>280629495
grand blue

>>280672239
>You need a character for characterization
Yes you have the female characters.
>You need the male MC to characterize the girls
No you don't
>Giving him too much screen presence produces diminishing returns for the objective of sexual fantasy
No, the girls' interest in him is what produces diminishing returns for the sexual fantasy. They are now romantically pursing and interacting with and presumably getting fucked by another guy who isn't (you).
>it just seems counter-intuitive to deeply desire a strong alpha male to connect with and resonate with and become emotionally invested in... just to discard him during the actual fantasy
It's easy. I'm not sexually interested in men, so it's no problem to not consider him in a sex fantasy. The fact that you have trouble comprehending this is very revealing. What would actually be hard to discard is the girls, the objects of the sex fantasy, being romantically interested in someone else. Tell me, how does that help your sex fantasy?

>>280672582
>Yes you have the female characters.
>No you don't
Meh, I already had this argument earlier >>280659553

>They are now romantically pursing and interacting with and presumably getting fucked by another guy who isn't (you).
He's ink on paper

>so it's no problem to not consider him in a sex fantasy
Going off what just came out of your mouth, what role does he play in your sex fantasy?

>>280672639
>He's ink on paper
So are the girls and their characterizations are based around being romantically interested in him, not you. You keep going on about their characterizations and you have to discard a big part of their characterizations for your sex fantasy to work.
>what role does he play in your sex fantasy?
He doesn't. You have poor reading comprehension. I also don't let sex fantasies be the main way I judge characters and engage in stories like you do.

Anime characters do not have free will and they do not exist in any dimension. You cannot be cucked by a fucking fictional character unless you intentionally do this to yourself in your own fantasy - you are using a literary device to explore sexual characterization.

>>280672820
>He doesn't. You have poor reading comprehension.
Except apparently he retains his presence in your fantasy as the love interest. So this entire time you've just been projecting your unwillingness to part ways with the male character on me.