Reminder that Bonney will de-age Jarul into his prime, which will be Yonko-tier

>Gunko, that Rocks fellow promised to return... tell me how long has it been.
>it has been five minutes Imu-sei.
>I see... Gunko, that Rocks fellow...
>it has still only been five minutes my lord.

Just a reminder: Wano was easily a top 3 arc in One Piece.

Jarul likely was beast in his younger days.

imu is ugly chick and her whole problem is just with being an ugly chick genuinely. Just hope she has some huge bazongas.

What if Imu is a prisoner that Rocks is trying to free? ? ?

Why is Xebec a pedo?

>lighting bolt tattoo
>"in the blink of an eye..."
>"...boomed."
>"...sent a powerful shock..."
This faggot has to have lightning powers, right

>>280679786
femcels gonna femcel

>>280679751
- of Worst arcs

SWORDSMEN PIECE

>No, Imu-sama... you can kill Ace but please, don't take Saint Saturn from me! You can have Luffy or Koby instead, I will even fetch them to the holy land myself!

>Strongest Man White Beard
>Strongest Creature Kaidou
>Strongest Swordsman Mihawk
>Strongest Devil Fruit Magu Magu No Mi
>Most Ridiculous Devil Fruit Gomu Gomu No Mi
>Worst Criminal Dragon
>Strongest Marine Garp
>Most Dangerous Man Rocks

repostan :

The Darkness fruit is a hito hito model Davy Jones. It seems like it's just a Darkness fruit, but it actually allows the user to access Davy Jones' locker which is a pocket dimension of darkness where he can keep object and/or people enslaved "in his locker".
Blackbeard (or Xebec if he's actually taken over BB's body) keeps someone in there that he fed WB's power to and since he "enslaved" that person through the fruit power, he can wield their power as well.

It's kind of how Makima operates in CSM. By using the fruit power to have another person or entity "in the locker" BB can use that person's power as well.

It would also contrast Luffy's power. Nika the god of freedom vs Davy Jones, the god of enslavement.

Ever since it was revealed that Luffy's rubber fruit is a "special" hito hito model Nika it was clear that BB's "special" darkness fruit might also be a hito hito model of some god as well.

Imu is scum.

>>280680033
Davy Jones is whispering schizo shit into their ears through the yami yami no mi, which Davy Jones's soul is imprisoned in. Davy whispered into both Blackbeard's and his father's ears.

>>280679987
real pirates supposedly used swords a lot right?

>>280680038

>tfw the main boss villain has the devil devil devil fruit : model devil

I mean... we should've expected it but still

>>280680033
PART OF THE SHIP
PART OF THE CREW

>>280680038
weak to anal

>>280680052
cutlasses, yes

Bring me SHARTmu...

>>280680086

Mihawk is now Smoker tier.
There's going to likely be at least 5 more swordsmen introduced above him by the time this is over.

>>280679786
Conservative chuds like the Gorosei wouldn't listen to a woman. Imu's a man. Also Oda wouldn't draw Luffy and BB punching a woman

>>280680038
it's so clear that Oda decided to give her small breast so he took off her pants to compensate

>>280680038
Imu is the unsung hero of the world -- the one keeping the true darkness, the literal abyss of Davy Jones, sealed beneath the sea. You thought Devil Fruit users were weakened by water? Nope. It's not the water itself -- it's the ancient darkness slumbering at the ocean’s depths. Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi doesn't just grant power -- it’s a channel. Davy Jones whispers to him from the deep, like Yog-Saron in Ulduar (kek), feeding him forbidden knowledge. That’s how Blackbeard knows so much -- he’s learning it straight from the abyss.

>>280679712 (OP)
>Shimotsuki Ryuma the Sword God lived 400 years ago
>Jarul is 400 years old
>Elbaf and Wano are right near each other and in Monsters Ryuma traveled the world looking for swordsmen to fight not knowing he was the world's strongest
>Shimotsuki village was created by the ancestors of Ryuma, Zoro is a Shimotsuki from his grandma's side, her brother was the Daimyo of Ringo
>Shimotsuki Koushiro tought Zoro his swordsmanship, also a descendant of Ryuma
>Jarul is 400 years old and a sword using warrior legend

I see what Oda is cooking up. After Bonney turns Scopper and Jarul to their prime they're going to train Zoro in Sanji. Sanji to use Love powers, Jarul will teach Zoro the completed Ryuma Shimotsuki techniques personally

One Piece? Ran by Swordsmen.

>>280680122
It's either listen or into the black sludge you go.

What I'm interested in is how Garling will act and react as the new member. The rest are all pussywhipped for who knows how long. They're basically slaves through and through. But Garling looks like a proud dude and I'm not sure he got the memo that they're all essentially permanent slaves to Imu under penalty of melting into slime.

>>280680122
except all the times Luffy has punched women.

>>280680122
>Conservative chuds like the Gorosei wouldn't listen to a woman
Okay, that's just your own headcanon.
>Also Oda wouldn't draw Luffy and BB punching a woman
Yeah except for that one time when he punched SHARTvi.
Blackbeard is the poster boy for fat rapists alongside Vasco GODt. Plus, there was that time he literally attacked Hancock on her island before running away because Gayleigh showed up.

>>280680166
Man it's getting crowded in there, is Mihawk gonna be okay?

>>280680038
I would lick the scum from Goonko's pussy.

I don't blame Mihawk for being a sad little bastard. you would too if your entire purpose was to job to some stinky (canonically showers once a week per SBS btw) green haired nigger whose entire motivation is "MUH FRIEND FELL DOWN LE STAIRS"

Joyboy/Nika is a swordsman too btw.

>>280679712 (OP)
>Reminder that Bonney will de-age Jarul into his prime, which will be Yonko-tier
What would happen if Bonney deaged Stussy(Clone)? Is Stussy(Clone) already yonko tier?

>>280680166
Why is Law here

>>280680097
Two more swordsman were introduced that don't have black swords.

Rocks and Harald. Two more FRAUDS

>>280680272
he very clearly carried a spear

>>280680272
Robin is a swordswoman. Her sword is my dick.

>>280680082
>Cutlesses
If you ask me they should use cutmores

i miss when Bonney fruit was just an age fruit, in fact I had no idea it was unnamed until egghead made it imagination fruit, it was very simple but extremely powerful without haki and could be used for all sorts of random things like turning a young character into advanced form, or making an old geezer a powerhouse again, instead they took its specific yet very purposeful power and completely randomized it giving it practically the ability to do anything, at least when Luffy got Gear 5 it became cartoon imagination mode with a huge basis in rubber but now Bonney literally has the asspull fruit

>>280680289
because he's a swordsman

>>280679840
>Rumble Rumble fruit makes a comeback to the story like this
Hmmm, could be, the Birka incident hadn't happened by the time Roger went to Skypiea.

>>280680272
So is black maria.

Who was WSS before Mihawk?

>>280680323
I just know she would've destroyed Sanji and Robin if she had just pulled those swords out of her hair and showed her real skill with the blade.

>>280680330
Seems like Rocks, Oden, or Roger.

>>280680162
am I too high (dude weed) or does this kinda make sense

>>280680166
>only one black sword there
How does Mihawk stay winning

>>280680033
If you consider the Devil Fruit explanation in Drsssrosa, they say each Devil fruit has the soul of a devil inside. Once a person who ate the fruit dies, the soul moves onto another nearby fruit to reincarnate.
But the Yami Yami no mi who can seemingly swallow the devil fruit powers, does this mean that the Devil Fruit's soul gets locked inside? Is that it's secret? Eating two devil fruits would result in them tearing apart one's body but Marco said Blackbeard's body was special. Perhaps the Davy Jones bloodline has the unique ability of serving as a container to all Devil fruit abilities if it wished to be so, with the Devil Fruit itself as it's cataclysm.
Perhaps the Yami Yami no mi is not special, but considering that BB looked for it specifically it indicates to me that it is what allows him to make use of his bloodline's unique properties.

>>280680430
>But the Yami Yami no mi who can seemingly swallow the devil fruit powers
cause the yami yami no mi is davy jones soul aka the door to his locker where everything is locked at the sea floor aka how it sucks their powers.

>>280680412
How far would Mihawk fall if he didn't have a black blade? Would he even be on the shortlist of best swordsmen?

What does Imu get for controlling the world ? What does fuck does she do on her free time? Why is it worth the suffering?

>>280680477
gets bred by me all day every day

>>280680412
This actually makes him look like a fraud. He is nothing without the black blade. Fraudhawk? MiFraud? MiFrawk?

>>280680430

Just like with Luffy/Nika, his opposite BB would thematically need to have something similar or rather the opposite.
So it's a combination. Luffy both has the inherited will AND the lineage AND the proper devil fruit power.
Same with BB. The inherited will AND the lineage AND the very specific power to augment all that. So it's not just a darkness logia. It makes perfect sense for it also to be a hito hito god fruit, except the opposite of nika.
What does Nika stand for? Sun, freedom and liberty.
So it makes sense for BB's to be for darkness, enslavement and tyranny.
Blackbeard consequently doesn't just nullify powers and sucks things in, he enslaves it. He enslaved the gura gura power so he can use it at his leisure.

>someone genuinely thinks that because they didn't strengthen their sword with haki it must mean the wielder is weak

>>280680503
>So it makes sense for BB's to be for darkness, enslavement and tyranny.
davy jones locker

>>280680477
living out an eternity of peace and freedom, at the expense of everyone else as in order to secure his freedom, he must control the opposition, be it through making them pawns or slaves.

>>280680492
Rocks, I t-thought you died...!!!

>>280680477
if Imu is female, she's probably gonna be shown as a victim controlled by the real evil, knowing Oda

>>280680468
>>280680493
>Mihawk is the only one strong enough to create a black blade while all the other bladelets fondle eachother's weewees

lmao at you bladelets

reminder that Xebec is a buccaneer who wants to become king of the pirates

Joyboy is Luffy going back in time
Original Nika is Luffy going even further back in time, that's why he apologized to the mermaid princess
OPbluds are NOT ready for this

>>280680526
Can't she just do that a some random island in a farm

>>280680559
It's gonna be a Kaguya/Soul King situation. A relic of an old time that's kind of a progenitor of a lot of stuff we see in the setting, including various lineages. Except Imu has more agency than Kaguya and the Soul King.
The "idling" thing is still valid. Basically just in a holding pattern until things align up.

>>280680503
the noon vs the dawn of the world
I can see it

>>280680600
I do worry that Joyboy is Luffy. That'd really fucking suck but it'd explain so much.

>>280680587
he is not a buccaneer, what kind of dumbass headcanon scanlation is this?

>>280680619
I mean dusk kek

>>280680412
Black swords are used to increase level of swords
Swords already in 12 greatest swords cant increase their level so cant become black swords

Sanjibro... the swordchads are mocking us again

loki bonney vivi

>>280680650
loki makes me go doki doki

>>280680647

>increase level of swords to 255+
>doesn't matter because now haki coc attacks don't even connect directly

yeah whatever

>>280680648
I'd much rather have Sanji's powerset than just be a strong swordsman

>>280680669

WAIT
what about that theory about strawhat fruit naming

If Loki joins there's only a couple of syllable combinations that he can have in the fruit power right?

"Rocks isn't inside BB" is the new "El Hermano isn't real because there's no way Oda is that big of a hack" cope

>>280680503
Luffy's lineage is not special in the same way BB or Buccaneer seems, his family is just strong, this is not something that carries genetically. Luffy did not seek Nika nor willingly inherited anyone's will, but it does seem Nika had found its way into him. That said Nika had reached plenty of users by this point and none of them succeeded in Awakening it.
Blackbeard inherited Rocks will purposely and sought out the Yami Yami no mi, killed Thatch for it and claimed the DF called out to him (feels like schizo talk).
>What does Nika stand for? Sun, freedom and liberty.
Nika is also portrayed as The God of War, as it was common in Aztec mythos for The God of Sun to be a title, that the current sun, according to the Aztecs, is (as in, the 5th sun is the current one, the War God) so I wouldn't say his freedom doesn't come off as chaotic in nature either. Imu and Blackbeard both seem to linger in Darkness, Imu and Blackbeard both use powers that serve to enslave, one is the Devil and the other Darkness. If there was a role for the two I'd say the Earth God would be it for BOTH. Fitting, as the Earth God was the first Sun, and due to its nature it could only become half a sun, BB and Imu complement each other's halves is what I believe.

>>280680408
It makes sense in a self-contained way, but you're high for thinking it's possible in any way

>>280680673
Zorokek don't read one piece

>>280680587
I thought Pirate King wasn't even even a concept that existed until Roger came along

>>280680738
it's a meme translation, the correct one is "King of the World"

>>280680692
people have some sort of weird selective memory where they purposefully refuse to remember the clues as they were presented in the manga.

one of the FIRST bits of information about BB is when Luffy (and Zoro, both later have CoC) perceived Blackbeard as "them". It is possible they were using the voice of all things and they could hear multiple presences in Blackbeard.
Then there's the whole no sleep thing, which is quite odd for a "random" trait for Oda to give him and it definitely seems like some clue to what's really going on there.

>>280680690
no way Loki joins, unless they get a whole new giant-sized ship to tag along with the Sunny, just for him

>>280680773
Didn't they say way back in Drum Island that there's a rumor people from winter islands never sleep?

>>280680795
The purpose of that was to clue us in that this is what Shanks told Luffy, I think Shanks was a bit of a retard and thought BB not sleeping applied to everyone in cold islands.

>>280680773
>them
it was referring to his crew

>>280680724
>Luffy's lineage is not special in the same way BB or Buccaneer seems, his family is just strong, this is not something that carries genetically.

I disagree.
He is a D, which is special on its own (even though it might seem mundane now in the manga since we had many D people mentioned).
Do remember that Oda made a point of differentiating a "fake D" from the real deal.
Perhaps Luffy is a true D and Blackbeard a fake one. Or maybe there are two lineages there both identifying with D, but being distinct and they got merged/confused over time but ultimately are not the same.
Either way a point was made that BB is "not the real deal", which implies there's something going on with that.

>>280680213
Mihawk is really good at packing up and leaving

>>280680851
>Perhaps Luffy is a true D and Blackbeard a fake one
Monkey Dawn Luffy vs Marshall Dusk Teach

Thoughts?

>>280680851
>He is a D, which is special on its own
According to Imu, the current Ds are just empty echoes parroting dead bygoners that once opposed him and nobody knows the meaning of it. Luffy and Ace even ask Sabo if he wants a D. moniker too.
>Perhaps Luffy is a true D and Blackbeard a fake one. Or maybe there are two lineages there both identifying with D, but being distinct and they got merged/confused over time but ultimately are not the same.
I don't believe any Ds are real, there's a reason why it's called "The Will of D.", it's merely inherited will.
>Either way a point was made that BB is "not the real deal", which implies there's something going on with that.
I believe Blackbeard is trying to force his way into fate by purposely following it, and thus he's not the one Roger is waiting for. But I also believe Luffy is the one Roger is waiting for but Luffy is not the one that will carry out fate.

So Doflamingo was a huge Rocks fanboy then huh

>>280680900
>Eyes don't like up
Pretty Imu confirmed

>>280680734
>>280680647
Headcanon out the ass. Nowhere does it say you can't make a 12 greatest swords black. Yoru could have already been a high grade before turning black.

>>280679987
Interesting that both Rocks, Roger, and Shanks all use the same kind of "great cutlass" sword. Must be a relic from an older age.

>>280680908
>According to Imu,

Yeah but Imu would talk shit, wouldn't she because she thinks nobody can touch her. Typical villain vanity pap.

I like your speculah though but I feel Oda will make it more straightforward than that. He does have depth to the fate thing but ultimately he writes it for kids so it has to be blunt in ways it conveys why characters do stuff more so than subtle and philosophical.
To that end WHY a character does something can have a lot of context, but ultimately this is the kind of work where they need to shout out their "artist statement" out loud to make a point and grandstand.

>>280680900
I think Vearth was the original Imu and body hopped into multiple humans over the eras, but that is its original form.
Current one is Lili, but it still keeps the same clothing styling and silhouette.

Very interesting.

>>280680330
>Who was WSS before Mihawk?
Harald

ROKUOGAN

>>280680924
Doflamingo learn about Rocks and then about Imu.

Kinda sucks how Lucci trained to be awakened and put all that effort in and then got bodied and basically got told he's disposable.

Gorosei barely even give a fuck about awakened underlings and their crew.

>>280680967
>To that end WHY a character does something can have a lot of context, but ultimately this is the kind of work where they need to shout out their "artist statement" out loud to make a point and grandstand.
I do think it's worth pointing out that the reason why Luffy wants to be Pirate King, which he achieves by reaching the last island, is entirely for freedom. But this is not his endgoal.

>>280681070
Lucci is a government dog, it's no less than he deserves

>>280681070
It was such a retarded moment of mustache twirling. Mars could have said "I'll do my best not to hurt your partner, but no promises", but no, he had to say "INSECT INSECT INSECT INSECT"

>>280681076
His endgoal, his own agency, lies within his dream, and the freedom he attains from becoming Pirate King is a mere stepping stone towards it. Its true that what lies in Laugh Tale is his destiny, but I don't believe even for a second he will follow through with it. Recently, we had Momo's example. Oden wanted to open the borders of Wano to welcome Joyboy. That, 800 years ago, was the plan, before the WG was formed. But Oden is not the smartest guy, and opening the borders of Wano would have resulted in the WG annexing Wano for their next celestial genocide competition. So who's to say that carrying out fate is the right way to go about things? Luffy's own agency will bring about the Dawn of the world, fulfilling Joyboy's will without carrying out fate by his means is what I believe will happen.

>>280680900
canon

>>280681113
sorry if nobody's crying tears or playing the world's smallest violin for Lucci here
>his boss was mean to him and said he's disposable..:(
Lucci has dedicated his entire life to serving the World Government and is their biggest lapdog and fanatical supporter. Literally all he wants to do in life is murder people "legally" while proclaiming the Celestial Dragons as literal Gods that deserve whatever they want.

he was probably just ecstatic that a Gorosei talked to him at all

>>280681076

Yeah Luffy is not the issue since he's easy to read. BB on the other hand has a lot of stuff going on, especially since we don't know all the pieces of his puzzle.

>>280680330
Rayleigh

Do you think Loki's horns are warm? I wonder what it's like to put the tips in my mouth. I wonder if they were softer when he was younger.

I could kill Imu.

so cute that Buggy took after his dad

>>280681157
>>280681076

I do like the idea of Luffy following fate but still retaining his freedom and way of doing stuff, while BB seems more like a fate absolutist, which will just make him either easily manipulated by Imu, or he'll just replace Imu and be just as bad, perpetuating the tragedy of the setting.

>>280681176
It's not about what Lucci deserves from some objective standpoint, it's about Gorosei behaving reasonably. There's no reason to sperg out when your loyal and valuable subordinate asks for something so simple especially if it's something you can easily say "I tried, but crossfire and shiet" later.

Oh yeah I forgot Vander Decken had Davy Jones ship.

>>280681257

It kinda puts it into perspective later when we see Saturn dissolved into sludge and bones for his failure.
Gorosei might even be reasonable, but they don't have time to fuck around because they can get remotely obliterated by Imu at any second on a whim.

Fuck caring about some trite underling in those conditions.

>break week next week

>>280680477
He's just angry about Ancient Kingdom and Joy Boy and could never let go of the grudge. His one goal in life is to destroy everything that's left of them while maximizing their suffering along the way.

>>280681288
I'm telling you right now it's gonna be an Obito situation and Imu is going to be some heartbroken hag that was scorned and couldn't let it go.

We're gonna get a mother of all sob stories, knowing Oda.

>>280681304
>heartbroken hag
I could fix her.
t. father of Blackbeard

>>280681270
>Davy Jones drowned his own crew

jinbeichads keep winning

>Flex on Imu and refuses to elaborate further
>Randomly solo an admiral as his first know achievement
>Created the most stacked and strongest crew of all times as a hobby. Every single one of them eventually became famous on his own

He's so badass he's making his ugly, legslet son looking like a bum by comparison

>>280681280
Again, the problem isn't him not caring about sparing Kaku, it's him not even bothering to claim he does even though it costs him nothing and is potentially beneficial. It's the difference between just being evil and being a mustache twirler.

>>280681209
Goku...

>>280681323
Teach will steal Alvida's DF and it's only upwards from there.

>>280681314

>wasting such a cool design and concept on some jobber third-rate villain

i want to molest loki

>>280680330
El hermano de Zoro

>>280681257
Why should a Gorosei have to be considerate of the feelings of a meager subordinate?
Lucci was way out of line even making a request to one, he's lucky he wasn't killed
And Lucci should be the one to think about the situation resonably

Egghead had become a complete clusterfuck and they had very limited time to achieve their strategic goals in that chaos. It's perfectly "reasonable" for Mars to say, in the heat of the moment, to a subordinate that should NEVER talk back to him or question him
>I can't be certain what insects I'll step on in this situation

What, he should've used nicer language to spare Rob Lucci's feelings?
If Lucci doesn't like his work environment, he can go fuck himself. He literally signed up to be a slave of the CDs, of course they're going to speak to him like one.

>>280681304
Never reply to me with reddit spacing again.

>>280681330
Yeah but my point is that his mind is elsewhere, given that they're on the clock and what punishment for failing Imu is. The thought about what Lucci wants probably didn't even compute due to the pressure of the situation

>>280680777
a byprodcut of Loki's devil fruit allows him to shrink, this is my bizarre fantasy because a giant having a shrinking fruit is totes One Piece

>>280681330
>costs him nothing
The Gorosei have a reputation to uphold
>is potentially beneficial
Lucci and Kaku are easily replaceable and if they were to get uppity over not being catered to, they SHOULD be replaced

>>280681372
Let's make it more amusing, he can use his fruit power to turn into an animal, but the animal is small.

>>280680900
that’s straight up Vivi with her big ass forehead

I really want Loki to have a Logia but I think we've used up all the good ones that would be considered "legendary"

>>280681392
Imagine cumming on her forehead...

>>280681383
>>280681347
What makes it even more funny is Lucci and Kaku had a chance to ditch the WG after EL, but decided to come back to be slaves and assassins again.

Poor them

>>280681342
The jobber third rate villain threw the ship of destiny to collide with an island and decimate it in the process.

>>280681202
What are you talking about. Do you think cows have warm horns

>>280681402
To be fair there's still some potential for Logias. Such as an earth/rock one, an ore/mineral one, or a wind one, but there's heavy theorizing that Dragon has the wind logia. And it would make sense, considering that most of the Logias we've seen so far are in the hands of Marines, and he was formerly one. There could also be an acid logia, or a cloud logia, or a metal logia... you get the idea.

Luffys real dream is literally the deciding factor on whether or not OP will truly be the greatest story ever told, now that is crazy to think about, could Oda truly be the GODa

Loki has radiation logia

So why was rocks just like "yeah i can't do anything now i've met the king of the world, i'll just leave and take pirate island". It didn't look like they fought. You could assume he ran into immortality problems but if thats the case his post imu plan makes no sense

>>280681384
id be down for that if I didn't have near permanent zoan fatigue, make him a scoprion zoan (not enough bug/arthropod zoans) and itd be perfect

>>280681367
I don't think that's how the situation is presented, the impression I got from it was not "look, he's so stressed out!" and more "look, he's so heartless!".
>>280681383
>The Gorosei have a reputation to uphold
Before Egghead, they tended to talk reasonably and not using "insect" as a pause. They know how to talk to people, they're not Charloss.
>Lucci and Kaku are easily replaceable and if they were to get uppity over not being catered to, they SHOULD be replaced
They're not, they're valuable, Gorosei laments having to sacrifice Guernica due to how capable he was. Sperging out on one of your top dogs for no reason is retarded.

>>280681446
>Such as an earth/rock one
It's not quite the same but Pica's and Pizaro's fruit kinda cover this. it's not the same but it's close enough that we don't need another one
>an ore/mineral one
Jozu kinda had a similar paramecia, again, would not be that much different and so on

The one I'd be interested seeing is an acid one.

>>280681479
Based. We need more bug zoans

>>280681113
Considering what Imu does to Saturn, I think it's expected the Gorosei were very on edge. He's just being honest to Lucci they're going fucking postal on the place to kill Luffy and all his allies.

>>280680297
Cutlass, not cutless.
The joke I would make would be why they don't use cutlads instead, a sword that only cuts women doesn't seem that helpful.

>>280681485
>I don't think that's how the situation is presented, the impression I got from it was not "look, he's so stressed out!" and more "look, he's so heartless!".

At that point in the manga we don't know what Imu can do to the gorosei if they fail. Later on we find out. That makes the gorosei much more enslaved than let's say Lucci or Kaku. It's kind of a role reversal a bit. We think Lucci is talking to a superior that has freedom to act, but Mars was more of a slave than Lucci is.

Why are there no female Admirals? Are Kong and Sengoku sexist?

>>280681402
>water
>storm
>wind
>sound
nah I think we've got plenty room for insanely overpowered ones
>mercury
still I really want Akainu to remain the most deadly logia and have it really showcase in his inevitable big fight

>>280679712 (OP)
Kino, I hope Oda doesn't forget her. She seems content to stay in kid form now and be with her dad's corpse

>>280681478
Imu was way beyond Xebec's current level or perhaps the key to dethroning Imu lies in Laugh Tale.

>>280681510
there's just not that many strong female marines
Momousagi is a potential admiral candidate though

>>280681514
*shows up with plasma logia and burns akainu to death with a svpernova*
Your response?

>>280681485
>those fruits cover earth
this is One Piece, where one person had a fruit that made them heavier and lighter, and the next made them much heavier. One Piece where we have a guy with fire power and another guy that can heat things up, a snow power and an ice power, a fruit that ages things and a fruit that "ripens" things, my point is minor differences is all it takes in One Piece to be its own thing

>>280681535
Bullshit. Someone needs to defeat the dedicated rapists of pirate crews by draining them dry before they can harm anyone

>>280681491
if we don't have a scoprion and a lobster/crab zoan by the end of the series I'm going to rant about it til I die or it happens in Two Piece. Give it to a fucking vice admiral for fucks sakes, or one of those guys who tried to become admirals but got mogged by Ryo

>muh black blades
They are irrelevant Zoro got no boost from Shusui compared to the massive boost from Enma

>>280681546
yeah but we already had TWO fights with some dude that turns into a giant pile of rocks, and I'm sure pizaro will get another one. I think at this point we have enough "pile of rocks" dudes on display
and the "heavy" fruits were given to minor jobbers, that was stupid anyway

>>280681576
He should've given Enma back, in exchange for the Nidai Kitetsu
I'm not even sure why the Nidai showed up at all, Luffy just carried it around for a while and then they gave it back

Enma is training wheels

>>280681537
it'd be softened if Akainu had a brief showcase and a decent flashback before he says something about hating celestial dragons AND pirates, plasma logia screams Two Piece

>>280681576
I honestly at no point in the manga gave a fuck about Zoro's sword collection or whatever is going on with master grade swords or black blades or whatever.
And we're at a point where Rocks just shows up and swings his sword and he uses haki or some booming effect who gives a fuck about the rating of a sword there.

>>280681601
>Plasma logia screams Two Piece
It's an official Devil Fruit from some stage play.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Zuma_Zuma_no_Mi
Picrel is its user

>>280681601
what about a quark logia, or a neutrino logia, or an exotic matter logia, or a higgs boson logia, or an antimatter logia, or a time crystal logia or a big bang logia, or an entropy logia or a pop science logia or a ....

I'd be okay with a ketchup logia though.

>>280681585
functoinally a guy who becomes part of the earth does not really work like a logia and is entirely attached to the land around them, if anything Pizarro was a repeat of Pica but if we had a stone logia it'd still be original, we have a mud and swamp fruit users and yet no guy that turns into a pile of pebbles, Pizzaro is never gonna do that

So who are we thinking Rocks banged to make Blackbeard?

>>280681619
>ketchup
>logia
That'd be more of a Special Paramecia for a Big Mom pirate tbdesu

If you need a devil fruit to be a top-dog pirate or marine instead of running on sheer willpower alone, you’re a fraud.

>>280681619
>ketchup logia
would technically be a Special Paramecia, since ketchup is manmade, not a naturally occuring substance
in fact there should be a shit ton of Food Fruits that are Special Paramecia (act like logia but are technically paramecia)

>>280681576
i remember when they first talked about the sacred legendary sword classes and I thought they were going to become a constant reference but this far since then and they feel incredibly tacked on and barely even notable most of the time, I couldn't even tell you the characters that have the main best grade besides Zoro and Mihawk if there are any, you know its poorly utilized because I'm a sword fag

>>280681637
>>280681629
>>280681619
What we thinking of a Cola SP bros?

>>280681625
It would de facto be the same kind of fight bro, c'mon

>>280681634
sure, but if you manage to get your hands on one with a great ability you should probably eat it

>>280681510
Garp told Tsuru to not take the promotion if offered and she listened.
I doubt Sengoku is sexist but seeing as Kong is a WG plant he probably is.

When is Kong going to do something?

>>280681658
> if you manage to get your hands on one with a great ability you should probably
Feed it to your sword

>>280681510
no, but Oda is

>>280681619
after big mom's island theres literally zero foods that would be out of question, I still can't get over that they decided to make the biscuit guy one of the most durable foes up to that point, when I first read about Katakuri's mochi fruit and everyone said he had a great fight I didn't believe it but then I finally saw it and I loved it, partially cause he worked like Luffy but ultimately it didn't even matter he might aswell had goo fruit and just covered his goo in ultra hard haki

A rare miss from Oda

>>280681576
Zoro didn't create it himself. More importantly the ability to create a black blade means you're a top tier.

>>280681658
The Admirals are NOTHING without their fruit, prime Garp alone would wipe the floor with them and chokeslam them through Mary Geoise if he could.
If you need a fruit to be considered strong, you’re NOT strong. Simple as.

>>280681691
>I still can't get over that they decided to make the biscuit guy one of the most durable foes up to that point
ships biscuit, my man
HARDTACK
tougher 'n a cannonball it is

>>280681601
>>280681612
Plasma logia already exists kind.
It's Enel's fruit, since lightning is just ionized air, aka plasma.

>>280681709
I think when people say plasma what they're really trying to say is just a Star-Star Fruit

>>280681721
or they're just trying to be insufferable popsci "ackshtually..." kind of people

>>280681651
they're no more similar than countless other fruits that have cousin fruits, visually they'd be quite different, battle wise an earth guy could be agile and move around like a boulder/pile of pebbles flying through the air, Pizarro is going to be this giant monster fixed to the earth just like Pica was, I see your point but I also have the imagination to see how a stone logia final product could resemble something completely different, it doesn't have to be giant or slow or even raising rocks from the earth because he'd be spawning rocks from himself another very different detail

The one who will inherit Rocks swordsmanship will be Zoro after he adds in Sai's defense bypassing martial arts that cause mass destruction and can be channeled through weapons to his style.

>>280681668
my question is, is he going to have the King Kong mythical zoan?

>>280681576
Remember the great blades were hyped then it just turns out if you dump infinite haki into a sword you can turn any piece of shit into an apocalypse grade a million sword

>Loki flashback
>Harald flashback inside Loki flashback
>Rock flashback inside Harald flashback inside Loki flahsback

>>280681691
The kata fight was peak basically because it was a mirror match so it was quite dynamic. You could imagine a lot of Kata's moves being things Oda thought for Luffy.

>>280679751
>glorified Boss Luffy Historical Special setting
>150 chapters long (double to triple length of other arcs), huge chunks of which are a week where nothing happens and then a giant fuckfest fight at the end that's 50 chapters long
>some of the worst and most pointless characters in the story, side characters and fodder are completely irrelevant yet get huge chunks of dedicated screentime
>Oden flashback is insanely stretched out and takes up even more massive chunks of time
>Yamato is insanely astroturfed, bait for waifufags and trannies alike, has a godawful gimmick about even MORE Odenwank and is responsible for some of the most obnoxious discussion about this manga thanks to retarded nakama wars shit
>manages to feel like a speedrun and a slog at the same time
maybe if you're talking about top 3 worst arcs sure

>>280681697
visually his fruit was amazing, Oda just needs to give him one great fight in the final arc, probably throttling revos and then have him croak, before Shanks showed up I thought he had an impressive showcase

>>280681576
??? Didn't Shisui amplify his flying slashes?

>>280681709
minor differences in OP warrant different devil fruits by Oda standards >>280681546
Plasma would visibly be very unique from lightning which is ultimately defined by jagged beams

Why did Rocks live up to the hype but Oden didn't?

So why is Gunko in the flashback? The random is being mainlined into the plot with the brook flashback and now she also met rocks

>>280681803
exactly and going into it I had no idea thats what it was going to be knowing he had a food fruit. every manga needs at least one mirror match and turning it into man to man mano y mano throwdown was tight, arguably the most masculine Luffy fight

>>280681867
Oda likes her

>>280681867
Turns out Gunko really is Imu's loyal, brainwashed cumdump mystery lady

>>280681848
i can't speak for everyone but the moment they revealed that all the strongest pirates were once on an old crew called the "Rocks Pirates" and some lunatic named Rocks with that wild silhouette led all these powerhouses including Roger I was predisposed to think he was going to be awesome so long as he was as strong as described. people like powerhouses and people like real pirates

>>280681848
I liked Oden, but Oden is very minor and more of a side character to the main focus (Roger), much like Harald and Loki now feel like the side character to Rocks

>>280681803
even took place in a mirror world
goda

>was already strong
>gets unga bunga retard strength DF
>in a world where you can just get that level of strong by punching battleships
literally just trading training time for a weakness to water

>>280681848
Oden's story started out cool then devolved into him being subservient and begging to be on Whitebeard's ship even doing that drowning challenge, had him getting blown away by the top tiers like Roger, was forced because everyone just kissed the ground beneath his feat and felt like an OC ALL THE TOP TIERS IN THE VERSE LIKES DO NOT STEAL, he did about as well as pre-King of Hell broken bones Zoro did against Kaido, he cucked to Kaido and in the first place and did naked dancing instead of just immediately going and beating his ass, he never even bothered asking Whitebeard or Roger pirates for help despite him helping the Roger pirates reach the grand line which is putting pride before the people you're shogun over.

Compared to Rocks who came in threatening everyone with the same person Oden cucked to as his bitch, started making threats immediately, has his own swordsmanship, waltzed into the final bosses palace and made threats after killing one of the strongest people (admirals) in the series, lore dropped about Davey Jones, fucked up Reverie fighting the king of the ancient giants, then took action to take over the world...

Yeah, there's a big difference.

>>280681952
He also doesn't have haki making him spandam tier in terms of new world one piece

>>280681848
Oden on his own as a character is fine.

The problem is that every single other character in the manga he encountered was fellating him nonstop. And for no good reason either. Even characters that barely knew him were dickriding within seconds.
Just felt really unearned and forced. You can tell that Oda was thinking about that character for a long time so he was eager to make him liked by everyone since that's how he pictured him in his head, but he rushed it. It also didn't help that Oden tried to bail on everyone multiple times and yet everyone was pretending his some super cool bro and a great leader. He even tried to bail on Wano AGAIN after it was clear he was needed to lead. Not sure why anyone even considered him a leader at all.

>>280681952
It's a perfect fruit for him though

>>280681372
That's literally just a (good) filler character named Lily Enstomach. She even has a scene where luffy vores her and she returns to normal giant size which makes his a giant, since he's made of rubber

>>280681952
Yeah, but imagine Garp with it

>>280681952
>quick and easy boost to something he's already good at
BB doesn't have all the time in the world for Burgess to punch battleships
A quick and simple powerup is best

can someone post last weeks cover, I miss Kiku

>>280681952
Strong fruit is the dumbest shit ever because end of the day a fruitless haki guy like Garp is gonna beat him strength wise making the fruit idiotic this far in. Just proves he is an eternal shitter

>>280681848
Oden was a loser and got played. Here's the list of why Oden is shit
1) Gets mogged in his own flashback twice by whitebeard and rodger
2) Instead of just killing Kaido acts like a retard for a decade (kaido says he would've lost)
3) Didn't just call in the big bangers to kill Kaido in a millisecond
4) Stupid haircut and his kid is gay and retarded
5) Tricked again by an illusion (tricked to death because retarded)
6) Shot to death like a loser in a world where no one dies to bullets and people regularly cut islands in half

>>280680122
yeah Blackbeard defeated boa by Just staring at her right?

>Another swordman added to the plot (thus inferior by affirmed lore to CHADhawk)

Why Oda keeps hyping and hyping him?

>>280681965
>>280681848

>Oden
>is an asshole that only cares about himself from the get go
>gets a bunch of friends/people that follow him
>doesn't care about them, want to leave all the time
>leaves them all behind first chance he gets giving it no second thought
>doesn't even care what ship he's in, switches crew just like that
>everyone he meets sucks him off instantly
>comes back
>gets a cute wife
>wants to bail on everyone again

I honestly don't even understand what Oda was going for. He doesn't come across as a good leader or even a good nakama. Sure he sacrificed himself in the end but he kinda just wanted to not be in Wano to begin with and tried to escape and leave everyone behind multiple times

>>280681814
Enma amplified his haki, awakened his aCoC, increased his power and much more. Pre-ts he couldnt even cut a pacifista with shuisui, are you retarded?

>>280681966
Didn't he showcase haki in the Dresrosa colosseum?

>>280681282
There's a break after every chap for this month and august :(

>>280682021
He's his self insert and self insesrted himself as a legacy characters dead decades before the main plot to avoid causing too much troubles to it

>>280681697
>A rare miss
Did you skip the entirety of Wano

>>280681966
Do we really think burgess isn't going to have armament haki when he finally has a real fight?

>We are currently on a flashback happening during a flashback, started during a third earlier flashback
>Namedropping Davy Jones may mean we could get a fourth subordinate flashback telling us how the fuck Xebec knew all of this secret lore

Had this level of flashback layers piling even happened in a manga?

>Luffy and Zoro refer to BB as a 'them'
>either doesn't or can't sleep properly
>three-headed flag
>Egghead shows you can imbue powerful Haki into objects that will remain years after your death
my guess is that Rocks did something to infuse his "will" into BB, allowing them to count as two people for DFs. Question is, if he has the 'strongest' paramecia and the 'strongest' logia, does that mean (assuming Imu has one) that he'll end up getting the 'strongest' mythical zoan to round out the trifecta as the final boss?

>>280681697
Before shanks showed up he was about to get pummeled by the monster trio, it woulda been worse.

how did harald get killed by his own guards if hes top 5 in the verse

>>280682012
>criticizes a character for being mogged by 2 of the stories strongest characters
I'm not gonna argue all your points I agree on plenty but that is ridiculous to imply it's a negative. I mostly disliked the way he let Orochi win and that even Luffy was obsessed

>>280682083
after cutting his own horns, his power decreased

idc how strong your opponent is if youre an admiral you cannot get 0 diffed

>>280682083
been shown multiple times that not being willing to fight back against certain people or trying to save someone else is enough of a mental nerf to get beaten

If Kaido tried to boil me in a pot of oil i would've just tanked that shit but i'm built different i guess

>>280682083
That's something that's been bothering me.
Harald had like 50 guards there. Which implies that Elbaph has a lot of warriors and all that.
So even with those palace guards dead, there must be still a LOT of warriors in Elbaph.
Yet during this Holy Knight situation we see like the same 10 giant villagers over and over.
Where the fuck are the rest of the soldiers of the realm? What kind of super duper amazing Elbaph army are they talking about if we only ever saw maybe 20-30 giants total.

>>280682083
he had pirate cancer

>>280682118
Shanks....

>>280682101
In my perma headcanon this no name admiral put up as good of a fight as you could against worlds strongest

>>280681848
Xebec
>Entire crew made up of some of the strongest characters in the verse, of which he is the captain
>Papa of another one of the strongest characters
>Invaded the Holy Land and possibly figured out the identify and subsequently threatening the secret ruler of the entire world
>Killed a Navy Admiral, a feat never even heard of up until this point
>Was only killed because he got ganked by being backstabbed and jumped by Roger AND Garp

Compared to

>Japwank OC donut steel, side character with a demon sword he couldn't even use that died like a fucking idiot

well elbaf is the strongest nation in the world if 20 of their absolute strongest team up they should be able to take down a 5 billion bounty level guy. i doubt harald dorry and broggy are 1000x stronger than everyone else combined

>>280682152
>Killed a Navy Admiral, a feat never even heard of up until this point
akainu beat aokiji but chose to spare him. though akainu and aokiji was said to have been an extremely close battle that couldve gone either way. rocks killed this guy while on the run

> >ctrl + f “Ulti”
Please stop saying “multiple” and “ultimately”, you’re making the thread seem more interesting than it actually is, thanks

>waited 20 years to see Kizaru fight
>he jobs to Luffy in a gag fight where he doesn't even want to fight at all
>this is probably the last time we'll see Kizaru fight in any serious capacity

The perils of aura farming too much.

>>280682173
That's a cover story, they're both Sword. Yes even losing the leg.

Anyone who says “aura farming” deserves to be automatically shunned

>>280681848
It's crazy that, when you think about it, Rocks' feats are some of the most insane we've seen in the series yet Oden got 10x the amount of proverbial dick sucking from other characters. By the way everyone was losing it over Oden you'd think it would be the other way round.

I personally dislike Oden for being introduced as a Gary Stu everyone was obsessed with like he was the second coming of Joyboy or something. Also he is a samurai, not a pirate like Rocks.

>>280682184

begone bovine hag

>>280682012
Nah, here's a better list of why Oden is shit.
1) he's ugly
2) everyone thinks he's cool because he... kidnapps consenting women? Wow, ok wokeda. I see we want the coolness of toxic masculinity without the commitment to how scummy it is
3) introduced eating atop a pyre like that's likeable and quirky lmao amiright
4) WB is tsundere and possesssive about him and I'm extremely jealous
5) has a gang made up of even worse characters than he is, some of whom are still alive
6) he's the main character trait of Yamato and the reason he exists
7) ruined one of the most hype and awaited flashbacks of OP by his presence alone
8) forces every character he comes close to to break character to become his simp

>>280682208
I'm shun farming rn unc

Oden Derangement Syndrome is real, holy shit.

>>280682185
it's not like he's gonna be sidelined during the inevitable BB pirates vs. WG/Imu fight or WG/Imu vs. everyone

>>280680178
>>280680199
>>280682014
Oook i didnt elaborate cuz i thought it would be obvious. Yes Luffy has technically punched female villains before but its hard to believe Oda would have Luffy slugfest fight a woman the same way he does Crocodile, Doffy, or Kaido even if there are gags.

>Okay, that's just your own headcanon.
Lets think like an author. Would you set up this world of slavery, racism, and discrimination with mostly men at the top only to put a woman at the tippy top? Its like having Imu be a fishman. The Gorosei are extensions of Imu's will and bigotry. It makes more sense Imu would be more similar to them than anyone else

>>280682184
also stop with the discussions on cultivation and occultism. however I don't mind if you talk about vaulting.

what are Gunko's bandages made from?

>>280682270
Shouldn't Jinbei be like ... stronger? Isn't he Zoro/Sanji level?

How did I forget Red Hair can see the future. What form of haki is this?

>>280682184
Your fault for not throwing a space after ulti when you search.

>>280682261
>Lets think like an author. Would you set up this world of slavery, racism, and discrimination with mostly men at the top only to put a woman at the tippy top?
Kishimoto did it with Kaguya, so why not?

>>280682249
We legit had to withstand Oden buffoonery weekly for multiple irl years.

>>280682308
You have to read more manga, man.

>>280682305
Did you skip WCI or something

>Water 7 is fucked because the seas are too rough and dangerous because of pirate attacks
>Puffin Tom designed to handle rough seas and it fixes everything
Why wouldn't the pirates attacking ships just attack the train? If it's a matter of speed, just sabotage the miles of unguarded tracks at your preferred point, or just setup an ambush ahead of time.

>>280682306
Loki should join Pudding in the weird eyes club

>>280682300
jinbe isnt as strong as zoro and sanji. its like king and queen who are reasonably close in strength and jack whos number 3

>>280681901
Imu's backstory will have a full page of Gunko getting creampied.

>>280682320
I'm a new fan, I came in toward the end of Wano.

>>280682344
we waited like 10 years for jinbei to join and now he's in the peanut gallery just running commentary

>>280682261
>let's think like an author
The mere fact that you think you are in Oda's head or that every author thinks similarly is hubris on your part.
Yes you can make educated guesses but at the end of the day you are never safe from an author throwing a wrench into your predictions, destroying his own work, or just being a quirky unpredictable little guy with a different idea.

>>280682314
>flashback wasn't even 10% of the arc length
I'm sure you did.

>>280682367
the straw hats are just the big 3 and every now and then one of the other 7 has a moment. they are like 99% of the crews strength too.

>>280682332
Well the reason is you see none of the actual logistics of how the OP word works make any sense whatsoever.

>we
You. Stop doing that "we" shit, you insecure shitters. Learn to stand proud with your own opinion without validation.

>>280682337
Maybe Mihawk can be the best in that particular niche haha

>>280682365
Why use the word "forget" then, surely you're aware you just never read it.

>>280682300
Oda doesn't know what to do with Jimbe

>>280682249
At the end of the day One Piece is series about people who FUCK. Haki = real fucker energy. If you can't fuck you're a loser. Oden, Ace, Kuma are all subs and can't fuck. If you bow to someone else you should be hated because you contradict the premise of the series

>>280682270
Is Nami going commando?

A thing I found somewhat contradicting about the Void Century is that the established superpower that was the Ancient Kingdom was lead by a rebel, Joyboy, but the leader of the emerging, reformist powers that was the 20 kingdoms coalition was or became Imu, who is the most authoritarian character we have seen in the series.

Logically, you would expect it to be the other way around: the rebel should lead the emerging power and the tyrant should lead the established power.

>>280681952
Just like wrestlers that take steroids

>>280682404
jinbe doesnt have much of a dream and his arc was completed 15 years ago hes just there

>>280682012
>3) Didn't just call in the big bangers to kill Kaido in a millisecond
Oden not having his several yonko commander friends on speed dial is the biggest contrivance by far

>>280682391
Who are you quoting?

>>280682432
How old do you think Hibari is?

>>280682451
Shes canonically 17 according to Oda

>>280682399
>Why use the word "forget" then
Because I'm reading Egghead again, I wanna see Garp get stomped on Hachinosu and St. Saturn's bizarre magic.

>>280681467
So kizaru's fruit

>>280682416
A lot of the stuff imho sounds dubious. We're also getting information from unreliable sources.
Once we get a flashback we'll know for sure what went down.
I don't even trust Vegapunk's version. The guy came off a bit clueless ngl.
It seems like there's a lot of role reversal going on though. The victor becomes the tyrant then it goes back and forth like that.
That's why Luffy winning is important, if he wins people are free, but if BB wins then he becomes the next Imu and we're back in the same cycle.

>>280680900
>LONG AGO IN A DISTANT LAND
>I, IMU, THE SHAPESHIFTING MASTER OF DARKNESS, UNLEASHED A UNSPEAKABLE EVIL

>>280682464
Light radiation is only one type of radiation

Do you think.. Blackbeard and Koby..?

>>280682476
sick of japs and their dragon quest fetish

>>280682446
Too many to actually quote.

>>280682416
I suspect there were several reversals of the rebel/authoritarian that occured. The 3 worlds mural seems to hint at that.

Why does Oda keep giving 16 year olds such fat butts and tits...

>>280682458
Since when was her age confirmed?

>>280682463
>reading egghead again instead of reading the rest of the manga
Why would you inflict this upon yourself?

>>280682518
SBS

>>280682481
Unless we are getting Koby Figarland they're not teaming up more than they've done off panel

>>280682012
>Instead of just killing Kaido acts like a retard for a decade (kaido says he would've lost)
my nigger, if he tried to fight Kaido at the capital several people would have died. Kaido said Oden was influenced by Roger and Whitebeard into a soft-hearted bitch who wouldn't tolerate the toll of lost lives. Considering Kaido's fire burnt for 7 straight days until rain poured, it was likely the better choice to bring the fight to Onigashima, problem was Kanjuro snitched.

>>280682533
I didn’t see it so I won’t believe you

>>280682534
>>280682481
Anon... He's talking about sex.

>>280682542
I hate you

>>280680122
You underestimate Oda

>>280682540
>if he tried to fight Kaido at the capital several people would have died
>"no Luffy, you can't fight Doflamingo/Crocodile/Hody/Kizaru/Smoker/Bellamy! What about the civilians around us???"
Huh huh

>>280682572
Didn’t read
Hibari is 20, the end

>>280682441
He did get asked if he needed help, I bet he just didn't expect Kaido to be there. On top of that Whitebeard told Ace the damage would be too great if he fought Kaido, going by Marineford that statement holds up

>>280682572
Grus is a fucking hag.

>>280682432

>>280680122
While this anon is retarded all the answers that suggest Oda doesn't get the ick when his good guys fight women are also retarded

>>280682630
How come Arlong isn't hot like his sister? Did he get the bad genes?

>>280682605
>

>>280681499
very good joke

>>280682649
wow unc something from 46 years ago, don't get your blood pressure up chillax

>>280682607
>Hibari is [HEADCANON]
I'll be sleeping good tonight knowing you believe your delusional headcanon for whatever reason while word of God states that Hibari is 17, and it'll stay that way. No matter how hard you believe jt.

>>280680086
GODhawk... i kneel

>>280682458
so why exactly is she in the pedo column?

>>280682666
Too long, didn’t read
Hibari is a hag, don’t care what you say

>>280682649
But Luffy kept fighting because he's not a retard?

>>280682572
>Helmeppo
>5'10

jfc he's practically a tontata

>>280682685
>brown cope: the post

>>280682416
Vegapunk himself said he doesn't want to take sides.
I have a very hard time believing 20 different countries with different cultures would ally themselves against a perceived threat if said threat wasn't an actual danger.
And the weapons who were used to alter the world were created by the Ancient Kingdom, not by the coalition.
Joyboy the freedom pirate being the leader of the Ancient Kingdom doesn't make much sense either. There's more to it for sure.

>>280682694
I don’t know what you mean by that, I’m just ignoring your weird pedo agenda, like why the fuck would you want her to be underage dude, you’re so weird

>>280682646
yeah its like the movie Twins with Danny Devito and Arnold Schwarzenegger, you've probably never heard of it.

It would be kinda funny if Dragon also fell down the stairs and died randomly offscreen.

>>280682712
that would be very funny
or eaten by some generic sea king

>>280682705
No, I watched it right next to the mprg arnold movie.

>>280682700
>Vegapunk himself said he doesn't want to take sides
Which is funny considering he provided Imu with an army of Kuma’s and an island erasing button

>>280682704
Didn't read. Hibari is 17. Word of Oda btw.

>>280682416
I think it makes sense because the big moral conflict Vegapunk didn't want to weigh in on seems more like a order vs chaos thing, the ancient kingdom likely promoted personal freedom (so you have stuff like devil fruits and other weird and wonderful things) and the 20 kingdom alliance needed stability in a wacky cartoon universe to actually combat the effects of there being a place where dreams really can come true and individuals can do extraordinary things (so they invest in high technology and things of that nature).

>>280682738
Who? Don’t care, Hibari is 90

>>280682700
I'm thinking that Imu didn't necessarily fight for the coalition of 20 countries. I think Imu did a power grab unrelated to that and essentially made the winning side devolve into retards, maybe out of spite.

>>280682751
...if you convert her age to Giant years, which is 17.

>>280682732
>Dragon wanted to set off a large firecracker that ended up exploding prematurely and killing him on the spot, well anyway....Sabo is in charge now

>>280682705
Remember when some morons hated on Ulti because they headcanoned that she was 16 years old or even less, just because she acts like a silly billy?

>>280682687
Luffy begged him to stop. And Crocodile couldn't be reasoned with and didn't try to negotiate with Luffy.

>>280682781
>hated on Ulti because they headcanoned that she was 16 years old
But that would make her even better though.

>>280682762
Hibari is a giantess with dwarfism so we’ll both concede to agree on her being 90, gg anon

I still think that Raftel is inside of Reverse Mountain which is hollow and contains the All Blue inside of it.
The ceiling of the mountain is painted with a fake sky which is where Crocus got the idea from. Think about it, it all makes sense. It's the only spot on the world where all the oceans meet together and the perfect hiding place for Raftel.

>>280682705
>>280682781
Does Ulti have ACoC?

>>280682416
The world elder guys are based off liberals or freedom fighters so you can assume they overthrew some kind of oppressive society or atleast framed themselves that way

>>280682821
CoC? Possibly
ACoC? Not yet

>>280682811
Nah
Raftel was inside Whale Island
But it would be cool if Oda make it like PotC, and make it inside Davy Jones Locker

>>280682781
yes.

>>280682821
she doesn't even realize she has CoC like Luffy/Zoro/

>>280682332
We are led to believe they do, Kokoro's first question to the SHs was if they were there to rob the train.
Thankfully for the train it's really close and an important tool to one of the WGs main facilities so creating trouble in the area seems like a bad idea.

>>280682850
Where the fuck could All Blue be then?

>>280682811

If you look above Imu's throne there's a grand line diagram with the sign of the WG that looks like the poneglyph X marks the spot diagram.
It basically means that the place that the poneglyphs point to is right there, but as you say likely "beneath" the red line in a cave.
The shark lady also prophesized that Luffy will destroy fishman island which is right under all that and would get covered in debris if the red line is smashed up (which means they'll have to evacuate).
Either way it all aligns up perfectly and allows the final battle to continue in "one location".

>>280682852
Now that Yamato has set her up with a sword, maybe she’ll start to figure shit out

>>280682083
If we assume the royal guards are made up of super strong warriors to protect the king, then they got demon contracted to be even stronger and there's like 50 of them, and they did an ambush, that makes sense.

Keep in mind the goal was to steal a devil fruit. Killing him with his own enhanced guards to get the fruit without him even knowing the guards were possessed and enhanced makes sense.

>>280681702
>If you need a fruit to be considered strong, you’re NOT strong. Simple as.
Yujiro, calm down.

>>280682416
What's important to notice is that Joy Boy wasn't a king. He wanted to be one (or at least Emeth wanted him to take the throne). He was a pirate. Would he become a pirate as an act of rebellion against some country far away? No, if he became a pirate, then it must have been because he found his own country suffocating. It could be that initially JB was friends with Imu and co., protecting them from his own kingdom's imperialism, before they grew increasingly radicalized.

>>280682152
Roger solo'd him.

>>280682705
>I am the Ultifag by the way.

>>280682679
17 is a child

>Oi, Rocksu, did you bring the fried fishmen sticks? Ah, you did, good. Lets get to fryin' then.

>>280682970
I think the God Valley story will be something different than what Sengoku is peddling.

>>280682991
Age of consent around here is 16, blud.

>>280682965
>>280682979

>>280682991
3 years past the age of consent, bucko

>this doesn't kill the celestial dragon

>>280683017
Celestial TANKgons

>>280683015
Based.

This is Charlos' little sister...somehow.

>>280682990
one of many

>>280683038
I want to see her with her hair down, I bet she’d be really pretty

>>280683017
The CDs are not real. They're just projections from Imu's power. Imu keeps reviving and reusing people from the void century in different roles, but the actual CDs are not real people, they're just like Moria's zombies, play acting a society that doesn't exist.

>>280683038

>>280683056

Here you go.

>>280680372
Oden??????? Oden???????

This is the biggest fraud and I’m not talking about meme fraud that paints his sword black meme I mean he’s a legitimate proven fraud. I don’t know how you could even pick Oden he lost to Roger and Whitebeard but you chose Oden! You absolute fucking retard.

Fuck you. I hate Oden so godamn much and I hate you.

Sengoku's devil fruit is in the same league as Luffy's

>>280683038
She looks younger than him...

>>280683080
NAMI IS A CD PRINCESS CONFORMED
FUAAAAARK

>>280683001
Sengoku doesn't even mention the Holy Knights being involved

>>280683056
No, stop being attracted to celestial dragon women.

>>280683015
actually 1 year, Japan raised it to 16. point made however.

>>280679743
Imu is just a lonely lady.

>>280683056

>>280683098
It makes me upset that Sengoku, who is by far the worst bootlicker stooge, is going to get away with everything.
Hope that the last page of the comic is him living peacefully in some nice cabin, enjoying his retirement and then Bellamy or some other goober like that just shanks him out of the blue.

>>280680162
In this case, Rocks is one version of Davy Jones or probably a reincarnation.

>>280683001
Same. The panel at >>280682152 gives vibes of ulterior motives. As if Rocks had a goal in mind other than just clashing with Roger like a target in mind, which given the devil fruits were already taken doesn't make sense. And that Roger was trying to stop Rocks from reaching that target.

They had no reason to continue clashing after the fruits were taken yet Rocks was carrying on and Roger was stopping something. Not only that but Garp went there for Roger and swapped sides.

>>280683098
Chances are Sengoku and Garp didn't even know what was happening on God Valley. Kong was keeping Garp in the dark and Garp didn't give a shit about the CDs, he just wanted to fuck up Roger.

>>280682471
>>280682497
>>280682748
It would be kind of funny if during the showdown between Imu and Luffy (or Blackbeard), Imu starts patronizing like "I used to be like you, I used to value freedom above everything else, but then I realized the truth" and stuff like that kek.

Imu's story will be definitely interesting. He probably has a reason that justifies his ideology even though sometimes he's just evil like when he destroyed Lulucia. He could turn out to be a Lordgenome-type villain.

Yes, this guy has the Yami Yami and Law's Ope Ope fruit.

>be a celestial dragon
>command a vice admiral to bring me five admirals for me to blow rope inside of and deepthroat me

>>280683143

Oh yeah they're 100% talking about the darkness fruit there aka the Davy Jones Locker fruit.
No doubt in my mind now.

>>280683154
Gee CD-kun, how come your mom lets you have FIVE admirals?

>Black bladeless
So according to Oda all of them are inferior to CHADhawk?

>>280683149
There is definitely more to Imu than we think. Hopefully, their backstory proves to be interesting, it already has great potential given how he is central to the Void Century plotline just like Joyboy or Lili. I do wonder why Oda has been hiding his appearance for so long? Even in this chapter its a silhouette kek.

>>280683154
It seems like the marines have some level of protection/immunity. Maybe not the extremely low level soldiers. But if I had to guess it's something to do with the gorosei kind of being the "real head" of the marines.

>>280683184
I think it's a given that Lili is the current body Imu is occupying.

But it could very well be that the original Imu is pic related and has been body hopping since the first era.
>>280680900

The Vearth silhouette is exactly the same minus the crown.

>>280683143
Do we even know what "crown jewel" Larp was talking about here?

>>280682888
All Blue is just where the serpent is at Reverse Mountain.

Do you think Oda originally planned for Blackbeard's awakened devil fruit to work like Imu's? Like not only sucking people into a black hole but also filling them with DARKNESS and turning them evil?

>>280680900
thoughts?

>>280683213
Perhaps, I still believe Imu is his own person rather then an entity from the first age or something. And if its a woman, I doubt she is inhabiting Lili's body. Given who Oda is, hes more likely to make a totally different female character design.

>>280683153
Nah. Now that I think about it ...
He was at God Valley to retrieve the darkness fruit (which was previously been kept at Hachinosu).
But during the retrieval process he was on death's door so he had someone use the ope ope procedure to "save" him by placing his mind into BB's body (who was for one reason or another there as well as a small child).

After that, Blackbeard/Xebec had to wait until he's grown up at which point he can exert his will again, and he was looking for the darkness fruit ever since to finish his mission.

It's kinda slowly adding up apart from a couple of contrivances.
For instance someone with the ope ope fruit could've used it to switch a mind into a temp body and later on permanently place it into BB (if BB wasn't present there), since long-term BB has more compatibility since he's his child.

>>280683238
I don't think so. Imu's powers seem more board-game based so far and very different from whatever the yami-yami can do. As for the awakening, well that honestly depends on what logia awakenings themselves look like.

>Luffy confronts Imu
>The shadow disappears
>"I'm you"
>Its joyboy but he looks identical to Luffy
Directed by Kazuki Akane

>>280683180
My guess was the Rain God's fruit and the Rain God could control the weather, ideal for a pirate to control the sea. Which was actually Kaido's fruit once awakened, it'd be Shenlong god of Rain. But Kaido never awakened it so it allowed itself to be cloned and chose Momo instead. Hence why the Dragon statue shows up at the top of Fishman Island and is a deity statue that used to be worshipped in Wano but Ace broke the statue while fighting Yamato.

But if anyone had the Davy Jones Locker fruit I'd reckon it'd be Man Marked by Flames, given he can drag ships to the bottom of the ocean and is holding a poneglyph solo.

>>280683258
If this theory about how the Ope Ope works is true, then Imu, who is almost confirmed to have undergone an Ope Ope surgery, would likely have two different personalities, which hasn't been shown to be true.

>>280683230
the nika fruit

>>280683284
It's still crazy to me how this suicidal bum never awakened his fruit.

>>280683258
Eh, I kinda doubt that desu. Blackbeard and Xebec seem to have shown very different personalities and ways of doing things. I think that line from Rocks was more in the spiritual sense, really.

>>280683286
Imu might have a different system to cheat death that's not ope ope related. But it does seem that the ope ope fruit (as mentioned by Doffy) is key to something in Mariejois.

>>280683230
you mean "the clown jewel"?

>>280683284
Nah, the darkness fruit is the davy jones fruit imho

>>280680033
it makes too much sense within the context of how BB's fruit works

I like the Blackbeard is following Rocks including his goal and taking pirate island. That's cute. Blackbeard seems weaker so far but rationally they're probably on par i suppose

>>280683294
Fruits have a will of their own. Maybe the fruit chose him because of his I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN CHANGE THE WORLD attitude but then later he had a LET'S ENSLAVE PEOPLE FUCK JOYBOY I'M GOING TO FIGHT HIM attitude so it didn't allow him to awaken and chose Momo.

>>280683317
I'd say hes close but not yet as strong as his dad. I doubt someone on Rocks' caliber would take so long to beat Law. I do think he will reach that level very soon, however.

>>280683230
Uranus

I am Roxks D. Xebec

Tama won.

>>280683230
>Larp
Go back.

>>280683388

>>280683315
>>280683180
>>280683284
Or maybe

>Rocks underlings found the fruit
>brought it to Rocks to be devoured in Hachinosu while he was away
>WG stole it and raided the island since Rocks wasn't there
>Rocks got so pissed he went to the island to get his fruit he wanted back
>his motive at >>280682970 wasn't to fight Roger but get his fruit back, hence the OUT OF MY WAY ROGER!
>the treasure of the pirates mentioned in >>280683143 was the Davy Jones fruit
>the island got buster called and Rocks ship turned black and Rocks got severely burned
>Rocks became Man Marked By Flames and sails his cursed black ship around sinking people to Davy Jones Locker holding the last poneglyph solo and undying
>Big Mom, Kaido, and Whitebeard burning to death is karma for leaving Rocks to burn on the island

>>280681848
>Why did Roger's actual equal live to the hype compared to just one of Roger's underlings?
So are you just normally this retarded or what?

>>280683306
The poster similarities are actually uncanny. Buggy might just be one of the sons of Xebec, because there's no way he should know about this poster.

>>280683400
Fascinating. Do you think this could imply Blackbeard literally surpassing his father by going after him and the 4th Poneglyph?

>>280683408
or just Oden sucks major ass

Um...rogersisters...w-we still surpassed Rocksu after god valley, right...??!?

>>280683414
Blackbeard named his ship after Xebec so he has to have at least some respect for him. Imagine BB goes and finds out his father is still alive only for Rocks to talk shit saying he's a devil fruit faggot and can't even use a sword.

>>280683408
>>280683411
>>280683414
>>280683426
I am Rocks

I still think Imu is the narrative villain for Luffy to beat but Blackbeard will be the final villain.

My justification for this is that Imu needs to be defeated as he’s literally the devil that’s been oppressing the world for the past 800 years. Blackbeard needs to be defeated because he wants to take Imu’s spot and basically turn the entire into a giant lawless Pirate Island.

>>280683319
Yeah, but the Seiryu fruit never chose Momo, it's an artificial fruit that Momo has.

>>280683461
Makes sense. I could also see the latter being defeated beforehand depending on the structure of the final arcs.

>>280683461
me too

>>280683408
>Roger's actual equal live
Rocks is most likely above Roger, as it's implied that it took both Garp and Roger to take him down.

>>280683434
Roger is still pretty safely in the top 3 overall narratively, to be honest.

>>280683464
Only one fruit was successfully cloned, Kaido's. Zoan fruits have a will of their own. Point being that the fruit could have allowed itself to be cloned and chose Momo after deeming Kaido unworthy.

>>280683400
This "he may very well have a Devil Fruit" seems like the most obvious red herring by Oda.

>>280683482
see
>>280682970

God Valley flashback ended with Roger trying to stop Rocks from something. Garp doesn't speak in the panel, it's most likely Roger vs. Rocks.

>>280683408
Okay then why did Roger's rival live up to the hype than Roger?

>>280683400
I still think the "black ship" in question is simply Dragon's ship (also entirely black) and the whirlpools is just something Dragon creates using his wind power on the ocean.
It would also put Dragon in the middle of the next step of the plot.

But I like your theory too. I just think that Rocks wouldn't be randomly sailing around for like ... decades without making a move.

>>280683538
NTA but how the fuck can Oda justify Roger soloing Rocks? There is no way Roger was THAT strong in his prime...right?

>>280679712 (OP)
>bonney
>doing something post-Egghead
Daddy's little girl.

>>280680330
Woop Slap

>>280683558
Kaido was in the Rocks pirate, and he still gassed up Roger over Rocks.

Yeah, the King of the Pirates WAS that strong.

>>280680330
Zoro's grandpa Pinzoro

>>280683506
Maybe. Also, Seiryu is a protector dragon, so it might awaken through Momo being the true protector of Wano. something Kaido never really was.

>>280682970
nah, Rocks crew betrayed him and they all jumped him

>>280683611
Before Kaido's fruit unveil there was theory Dragon had the Dragon fruit and it was the rain god that controlled the weather based on Shenlong.

>>280683605
I think that has more to do with Rocks being an asshole

>>280683538
That can mean many things, it could be that Garp was out of commission and lying on the floor, or he was fighting Shiki. We don't even know if it was a pure 1v1, 1v2, or 2v2.

>Davy Back fights relevant again
If Viz is smart they'd keep this new editor in until the end of the series.

>>280683630
Kaido still had Rocks in his top 5.

>>280683376

>>280683642
Now it just needs Carrot back.

>>280683605
He's just hyping up Haki and one of the greatest Hakiman of that era, how is that surprising? He just mentioned someone Luffy might look up to. Luffy doesn’t even know Xebec, so there’s no reason to talk about him. Also, Rocks could very well be a Devil Fruit user.

>>280683637
Well we know that Whitebeard was fighting Garling more than likely, hence the line about Whitebeard's scar aching when he sees Shanks face.

If I had to guess I'd say Garp was fighting Shiki, or possibly Prime Big Mom given how pissed she was and mentioned Garp

>>280683644
He actually had those faces perfectly in order of strength from right to left, lmao

>>280679712 (OP)
>which will be Yonko-tier
Highly doubt it.. Young Jarul will be like Dorry&Broggy level.

Also. Probably now he needs Conqueror to be able to hurt them. Unless these giant zombies are like Minor versions of Imu subbordinates and have other weakness.

R8 this One Piece OC

Rocks if he davy jones

>>280683682
My headcanon is that Big Mom just ran straight in to steal the fruit, at least that's how it's shown. She has no bruises, no nothing.

>>280683667
Or it could just be that Roger was that fucking strong. Oden's entire flashback was hyping Oden up and even had him beating Kaido in a direct clash before hostages were taken, yet Roger sent Oden flying with a single slash like he was an annoying insect.

Not sure why people are trying to downplay the king of the pirates in this thread. It's been stated since the beginning that being the pirate king means you're the strongest guy out there, Mihawk even said it's harder than becoming WSS.

>>280683736
It's Oda. You know there was a big Marinefold style fight where everyone was getting 1v1s.

>>280683712
Which one is Rocks?

>>280682441
The Four Daimyo of Wano, who can slice through seastone chains were waiting on Odens call, so was Hyou with all the yakuza. Oden would have just won against Kaido if he had rallied even just the wano forces that were willing to fight.

>>280679751
Top 3 that pissed me off the most.

>>280683750
I mean, I get the point, but it’s still a big stretch when there’s a pretty plausible explanation for his rant about Roger.

>yet Roger sent Oden flying with a single slash like he was an annoying insect.
I mean, isn’t he supposed to do that? Oden is a top tier, but he’s not a top 5 character in the OPverse. At that time, he was an inexperienced swordsman whose only big achievement was fighting a big ass boar, trying to clash with someone who was most likely the top 1 in the world. That feat means nothing in this context.

Do you love Oden?

>>280683790
Oden was way too busy being an idiot, falling for Orochi's lies.

This might sound crazy, but do you guys think Oda let Boichi design Rocks? Hear me out

>Spiked multicolored hair like multiple of Boichi's designs and main characters
>Weird face line tattoos like everyone in Doctor Stone
>Eyebrows and spiked back hair almost look Sun-Ken Rock's Ken
>Oda literally let Boichi draw multiple comics for him including a backstory for Ace

This might sound crazy but what are the odds Oda asked Boichi to take the Rocks silhouette and draw something interesting out of it?

>>280682509
because they have those in real life mojaorty of them are built like porn stars but cuckmericans are faggots that place there age of consent as 18 on a golden pedestal while the rest of the world ignores the subhuman yankie burger brain and enjoys prime age with the law set at a non retarded age example 15-16 aka the majority of the world

Yeah, I'm thinking Rocks is based

>>280683892
So that’s why the recent designs have been interesting, even though the art style is getting worse...

>>280683892
Boichi drew the Ace Novel adaption for Oda

>>280683927
>>280683926
>>280683892
Tell me Rocks doesn't look like a Boichi design

>>280681808
>Oden flashback
>A billion chapters for some suddenly-very-important annoying literally who and his shitty friends, somehow makes the plot relevant stuff that happens boring
>Kuma flashback
>Comparatively short, makes Kuma extremely likeable, bunch of cool important shit happens with characters built up for years
How can Oden ever recover?

>>280683953
Rocks for comparison

Loki is going to be evil for real, that's the twist. Harujdan and Elbaf are right, that's where the conflict is coming from, it's from Luffy giving him a chance but he's already too twisted and irredeemable
Loki is evil, worships Rocks, and may even side with Blackbeard. Luffy will have to make a very difficult choice.
Oda did something very clever a few chapter back, up until then Loki had been drawn very serious only, and he had some serious accusations levied against him. To the reader Oda was saying, "Hey, look out for this guy, he's bad news"
And then after Loki was fed, he got the comically engorged gut that Luffy and Zoro and other "heroes" get after a big meal.
I'm struggling to think of a single time when Oda drew someone like Croocdile, Enel, or Rob Lucci with a big distended gut after a meal, it doesn't happen. His dark brooding serious criminals never do. It's not a state they are "allowed" to indulge in (Katakuri is different, I can explain why if you care)
But once Loki got it, coincidentally we started getting hints that the stories about him might not be entirely truthful. The reader was starting to trust Loki, and he even got invited onto the crew. He's a fan favorite right now. Even his evil baby eyes are seen as cute, a deformity that "good" characters are allowed to have.
But since last chapter, I've been thinking. Who else has a romantic relationship with food? Blackbeard. His cherry pies were a literal drawn parallel to Luffy's meat. Blackbeard is also seen partying it up on Hachinosu, once again something only the heroes are typically allowed to indulge in. Crocodile? Would never. Kaido is allowed to have a destructive relationship with drink, but it's dissimilar. Nothing like the joyous grin Blackbeard had while enjoying his pies when he thought nobody was watching.
So basically, it's a double fakeout. Oda is using writing technique to make you feel a certain way about Loki, then the other. And my suspicion is that it's going to flip again.

>>280683976
You must be retarded if you seriously think Loki isn't going to be redeemed by the end of this arc and possibly join the Strawhats/Grand Fleet kek.

>>280683976
Personally i'd prefer Loki to join BB than Luffy.
When are they are going to kill Garp tough?A nice public beheading like with Roger.

>>280684101
why would they kill a bargaining chip?

>>280684101
Why would they ever kill Garp?

>>280683953
Now that I think about it when was the first time we started seeing multi-colored hair in One Piece? Pretty much Wano with Ulti and Yamato right?

That's around the exact same time Boichi drew the Ace novel for Oda.

>Wadatsumi is bigger than Oars
Would Giant ladies be begging for his fishcock?

>>280684175
They should have used Garp instead of Akainu so you could get a scale of Garp punching Sanjuan off the island in Marinefold.

>Imu has an aneurysm at hearing D. mentioned
>employs Monkey D. Garp
???

loki yamato carrot

>>280682700
>the weapons who were used to alter the world were created by the Ancient Kingdom, not by the coalition

it's not guaranteed that the Ancient Weapons were created with the intention of being weapons. they could be tools

PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL PACHY COOL

>>280684212
To be fair, attacking Garp would be a losing battle. Garp would fight back and the Marines would side with Garp over WG in a heart beat.

Our hero

>>280684267
Rapemaster

>>280683915

>>280684227
I believe they were made to terraform the blue planet by the Sky people on the moon. That sounds schizo until you reread Enel's cover story and see they had a mother flame with 16 candles and pay attention to the fact that the moon people went to the blue planet because the moon ran out of resources.

>>280684308
16 flames not candles. Fucking got my words mixed up because of that gay movie.

>>280683709

>>280684237
extremely cool

>>280684227
my head canon is the ancient kingdom gave the ancient weapons away as a kind of mutually assured destruction thing. The sea people, land people and sky people each got a weapon. Which was assumedly to counter the power of (void century people)

>>280679712 (OP)
Oda if he wasn't retarded, but unfortunately

you one piece niggas are gay af

>>280684612
And thats a good thing!

>>280684212
I don't think Imu is the one that recruited Garp

>>280684212
He spelled his name as Monkeyd Garp in his application

Imu tongues my anus

>>280684715
Rocks...

>>280684715
Congratulations for coming out.

>>280679751
Nothing will top Enies Lobby and it's not even close. Ok, maybe Marineford.

>>280679840
Mr. Lightning Bolt, Raiden.

>>280682185
Kizaru's heart wasn't in it and Oda even implied that Kizaru helped Luffy get back on his feet for him to get Vegapunk out of the islad.

>>280682649
>>280682687
>>280682785
I think in particular situation, Luffy was more concerned about the people because Vivi cared about the people and Luffy only cared about them by proxy. The whole Alabasta arc was them trying to prevent a civil war, so caring about collateral civilian damage would make sense here. Also, wasn't that the old man that gave Luffy water? It's also a personal matter.