Now that the dust has settled, where does /a/ actually stand on 4kids? I know this board generally hates english dubs, but there's obviously a lot of nostalgia tied the work 4kids did, and many would consider it quite charming.

Obviously a lot of people posting on /a/ today weren't even born during this era. Here are some snippets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3j7DATYZD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkdiq4CdyNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSe8D2wfGKI

It's garbage.

>>280686605 (OP)

It was fun

It's genuinely impressive to be able to fit this many layers of ragebait in so few words. I commend you on your commitment to being a giant faggot.

>>280686605 (OP)
Their voice actors are fine as show in dubs done in the same area like Berserk or Slayers and not by 4Kids or 2003 TMNT and Kappa Mikey but their problem is they never did sub DVD releases when they could've easy. If both versions existed no one would care.

>>280686825
This thread wasn't made for underage retards like yourself.

>>280686605 (OP)
I miss the era of YouTube where aspies would make multi part rants on 4Kids and how they ruined Sonic.

>>280686605 (OP)
Pretty unique looking back. In the first pokemon movie they enlisted a bunch of 90s pop singers to compose songs for the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXSdXD-V3mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ObsDWn2Dqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVGqxQX3TU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvDTgzgG04I

It's so delightfully cheesy and 90s. You'll never see anything like this again.

>>280686605 (OP)
The only dubs I watched of either when they were on TV were Pokemon and Sonic X, with the exception of Mewtwo Stikes Back (which I physically wore the tape down on) neither were really that special and kinda shit in Japanese to begin with.
Though I also say this not having watched season 3 of Sonic X.

>>280686605 (OP)
I riked yugioh and kirby

>>280687050
Actually watched Kirby Right Back At Ya! too but it's in the same boat really.

I'll never forgive them

>>280686888
New York vas > Texass.

>>280686912
the sky at night is the same
the stars
da moooon
IT'S OKAY

>>280686888
didn't they try subbed Yugioh releases that flopped horribly

>>280687194
Uncut dubs even.
Stopped at 13 episodes with little promotion. Would've been nice if they let Toonami air the uncut YGO and Shaman King dubs as promotion

>>280686605 (OP)
Isekaislop and shounentrash needs 4Kids level dubs

>>280686605 (OP)
>but there's obviously a lot of nostalgia tied the work 4kids did
You are wrong.
Good riddance to that trash.
Literally every anime they had is now better off. Even Pokemon.
Their TMNT was cool though.

>>280687036
>It's so delightfully cheesy
Actually it's a brilliantly produced piece of fine cinema, and if you like the Japanese ver. you are wrong and should've been aborted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrk1H9j9r0Y

>>280686605 (OP)
>now that the dust has settled
Where does this phrase come from? If you aren't giving your against-the-grain opinion on something at the height of people being wrong about it you're just a scaredy-cat.

It's been like 20 years and that stupid fucking "DREAMIN!" One Piece theme song is still stuck in my head. I'm afraid the only way to get it out is with a bullet.

>>280687334
>Even Pokemon.
This is how I know you're an idiot.

>>280686605 (OP)
It was better to have anime with silly censoring than no anime at all

>>280686911
>>280687389
>>280687426
Yep, no ragebait here, just a thread to heap praise on the absolute nadir of garbage rewrite dubbing and American censorship.

>>280687638
Like I said, this thread isn't for underage immature morons like yourself.

>>280686605 (OP)
I liked some of their dubs.

>>280686605 (OP)
It was literally "for kids".

>>280687785
>t. brainlet
Smarter people could grasp the adult humor from their dubs.

>>280686605 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBmUw0QHwCE
Imagine 4Kids DBZ at their "prime"

>>280687785
And 95% of the anime they dubbed was kodomomuke, meaning it was literally for kids even in fucking Japan
And yet somehow weebnigs STILL try to desperately claim "they butchered all of these ADULT anime to make them kiddy! Why isn't my Sonic Hedgyhog X and Pokeyman the battle soft-seinen they were meant to be?!"

4Kids hate brings me back to a simpler time of /a/faggotry and DeviantArt when loads of shonentards, fujos, and emo kids were the vanguard of normalfag anime fandom and they all drew anime in that weird chibi superdeformed style all the time and had MySpace and Blingee pages with Blink 182, "Minutes to Midnight" era Linkin Park, and My Chemical Romance
I fuckin hated it
That was when Naruto was at its American peak wasn't it
I met a Naruto fan once
2006
He collected knives and quoted Three Days Grace lyrics and worshipped Chester Bennington like he was Kurt Cobain and knew a shit ton about Japanese ninja weaponry and gadgets
Literally a grade below him was a Sonicfag who got into the series through Sonic X and wrote deliriously bad edgy Sonic fanfiction
He listened to the same shit too
I will always associate that cadre of edgy 2000s alt-rock with that era of anime fans, and for some fucking reason they never seem to have left

>>280687668
How old were you when they were around?

>>280686605 (OP)
I was always way more interested in anime they imported and dubbed than I was in most of the cartoons that were produced domestically. It opened the door to getting me into anime.

I know they did some goofy censorship and localization stuff but I always wonder if it had not been for them, who would have brought this stuff overseas?

>>280688190
Most people who hate 4kids are the ones who got into anime that was already brought over because it was censored
But what they didn't understand was that the anime was already made for children even in Japan
The only super egregious censorship was One Piece and that wasn't 4kids' fault. They didn't want One Piece.
>Sonic X!
Kodomo slop, no matter how many times people post the "Shit!" or "S&M" line.
>Yu-Gi-Oh!
Kiddy shounen, still doesn't affect much besides "finger guns" and the Shadow Realm (which literally everyone says was a better change)
It's been 20 years and some anime fans still can't seem to understand that not all anime is made for manchildren in their 20s and 30s all because burgertoons were so kiddy and juvenile.

YO

>>280687993
>they even censored the hell out of kodomomuke anime
you get how that's worse, right?

>>280688275
multiple YGO episodes had cuts so severe they had to merge them in the dub
that or they replaced half the card game with a sped up rock song for no reason

>>280688411
nta but it's why it's funny.
The One Piece rap is funny.
Gotta got Fast is funny (and better than the original song).
Kirby Kirby Kirby is funny.
Springy hammers, finger guns, and lightsaber chainsaws are funny.
The only people who get pissed off by these are drooling retards like Spax.

>>280687153
That’s true but it doesn’t stop dubs from being garbage overall.

>>280688434
>that or they replaced half the card game with a sped up rock song for no reason
This never happened.

>>280686605 (OP)
4kids was terrible butchered shows and is a big part of the all animated shows are for kids mindset problem. I don’t know why there’s been this trend of trying to defend them

>>280689357
Because most of the shows they butchered actually were kids shows and getting mad at kids anime being edited for kids is fucking pathetic.

>>280689384
This.

>>280689134
It happened at least twice in Duelist Kingdom. Notably during the Weevil and Panik duels. It's actually where some of the music in the "Music to Duel By" CD where used
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsOndG_JgZM
When reruns moved to 4KidsTV, the episodes were restored to their regular order and pacing, so versions with the insert songs were removed.

>>280689384
I can't understand why low-IQs allow themselves to get so mad over the jelly donuts thing. It's hilarious, and the dub writers were probably laughing about it.

>>280689357
Genuine retards plus a dose of paid shills trying to justify localization

It's weird that standards & practices neutered One Piece to hell and back when they had TMNT dismember Stockman every time he appeared.

>>280689534
4Kids is dead.

>>280687408
r/4chan, knowyourmeme, anywhere else that caters to newfags by spoonfeeding them repetitive trash to repost because they think that's how 4chan discussion is meant to be.

>>280687993
They were already made for children, so why did they need to be censored when they were made for that age bracket? They were already made for kids, wo shy modify them to be "for kids"? I'll wait for you to not provide a valid answer because this is all nothing but a troll thread.

The voices were okay, but the direction was the issue. An accent or a goofy drawl wasn't needed for some characters and SHOUTING while speaking a regular sentence was a problem later on. While you can argue that the some of the shows they got were kids shows in Japan, obviously some of the heavier material wouldn't be seen as such in America. That's what the backlash from One Piece came from; it was obvious that they couldn't edit all the blood, violence and gore without butchering the flow of the stories. Skipping Laboon was bad enough, moreso when Laboon became a major plot point later on. They couldn't ignore that and thankfully they lost the license before they had to address that elephant in the room.

That said, the crop of ENG VA's today is fucking repetitive and samey, making 4kids' VA's a breath of fresh air in retrospective, and that is fucking saying something. I would have never expecting the better dubbing companies at the time to become grating and monotonous.

>>280690273
Because America is a more prudish country than Japan.
Simple as.

>>280690468
>That said, the crop of ENG VA's today is fucking repetitive and samey,
That's what happens when you license and dub repetitive and samey crap. Your average lineup of rommcoms will all have different VA's for the male lead but you'd never know because they're all the same damn character either way.

Zoomers today will never understand that oldschool saturday morning cartoon feeling.

>IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D-DUEL!

>>280686605 (OP)
They gatekept the hell out of One Piece. Naruto and Blech were more popular in US for a long time.

>>280686605 (OP)
Not just 4Kids. But I miss when companies would re-dub anime openings into english or make original ones. Obviously I prefer the original openings but there were a lot of standout english ones as well.

The whole era was jank on jank but a number of gems to be found with the Fox dubs.

>>280689384
>>280689527
I hope you're being paid for this but if you aren't then its just sad.

Was it my imagination or did they alter the colors on their shows? One Piece in particular looked Oversaturated compared to when Funi was dubbing it.

>>280691764
You don't need to keep coping. We already know you're a complete and utter idiot.
Believing people are being paid to shill for a dubbing company that closed 17 years ago is the cherry on top. You are quite literally the biggest moron on this website right now. Good job anon.

>>280691764
>I hope you're being paid for this
anon...

>>280691764
>thinking ppl are being paid to promote a dead company
jesus christ what happened to this board?

There was nothing more heartbreaking than waking up on saturday and realizing I missed Sonic X, TMNT, and Kirby

>>280691764
The more believable explanation is that people are simply nostalgiafagging for shows that aired in their childhood with the benefit of hindsight.

>>280691535
Fucking love the english YYH OPs/EDs
The dubbed Bubblegum Crisis songs are catchy too, helps that Priss' english VA was a professional singer afaik. Wish they were officially released somewhere.

4Kid's localization efforts were definitely more miss than hit but I will always have a soft sport for their voice actors. I regret the shit out of never having managed to meet Rachel Lillis and I unironically like Eric Stuart's music, at least his older stuff anyway

>>280689384
This is real ragebait, 4kids had some shitty practices that actively ruined some shows.

It doesn't matter what you think about Sonic X. The Japanese version had quiet scenes, emotion, and nice music. All of this was taken out of the dub and replaced with an obnoxious soundtrack consisting nothing of noise and noise, with zero emotions as if it would scare children away if there wasn't a moment of quiet. When people talk about shit 4kids did to ruin the original version, this one isn't talked as much as it should, but it really made their post-Pokemon and Yugioh dubs really annoying to watch.

The Japanese version of Sonic X is a nice kid shows that has its moments. The English dub of Sonic X is fucking obnoxious that its hard to even watch as an adult.

>>280694249
Sonic X was one of those I have genuine ire towards because I actually played the games as a kid. It also opened up to Sonic fans who got into the franchise via the 4Kids dub.

People shit on SA2 for being "babies first Sonic game" but that's infinitely more respectable than starting as a Sonic X dub secondary.

>>280686605 (OP)
I'm neutral. They were a product of their time.
Certain cable channels dubbed anime shows without making any type of change, others did localization and changes. 4kids managed the localization of certain shows, being the most popular YGO and Pokemon. YGO and 4kids was interesting combination, because some of the changes on the tv show were made because of the tv regulations. For example, the cards were designed different to avoid certain rules about not promoting card games on television, on the other hand the pyramid of light didn't had that problem, because film rules are different than tv rules, which allowed all the cards to look like their real life counterparts.
>>280687194
>>280687273
IIRC the uncut dubs were stopped directly by Konami.

>>280687334
YGO dubbed was great. That's how I got into the franchise and to this day I still enjoy the english version.
This coming from someone that read the original manga and I also saw the original version of all of YGO, with the exception of ARC-V. I did saw VRAINS, good stuff, had lots of potential.

>>280691535
the english version of the opening of YGO to this day is quite iconic, love it.

>>280689384
>>280689527
Well said

>>280696148

>>280686605 (OP)
Pretty funny how a good chunk of the 4Kids hate online stemmed from some child molesting goon being upset over a kids block airing kids cartoons despite being in his 20s at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eqca_Wc2V0

>>280696552

>>280686605 (OP)
It was acceptable for its time, but it was a symptom of a much larger problem in the 90s and 2000s, that companies felt that anime needed to be whitewashed and censored to be acceptable. Nelvana's shitty dub of Cardcaptors was the worst example. Toonami saved anime in the US by just letting it air as it came out originally.

>>280686605 (OP)
I liked their YGO dub.
The OST was insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WsLRsK_TU

>>280697716
>shitty dub of Cardcaptors
How bad was it?

>>280686605 (OP)
co/ would be a better place to discuss this. They actually care about the austistic minutia of television and voice acting more than a/ does.

>>280698915
They tried to turn it into a boys anime, started it midway through, made Syaoran the main character, and cut a ton of episodes. All characters with Japanese names had their names changed to valley girl sounding names like "Madison" and "Julian" with the exception of Sakura who is the only Japanese person even in her own family.

>>280686605 (OP)
I don't like them. I can respect their work on like the super early episodes of Pokemon when they were still sticking pretty close to the Japanese scripts and not adding too much of their own bullshit yet, but there definitely came a point where their work in general got pretty indefensible. It's not even specifically the censorship in and of itself but like the corny rewritten lines trying to be hilarious and some of the goofier voices/character names; there's a really obnoxious specific "tone" that 4Kids writing generally had and made their dubs feel worse, that a lot of people commenting on or making parodies of it or whatever don't get right. Overall it just feels like a lot of the people didn't have respect for the original shows-- and yeah yeah I know, "they're just toy/game/manga commercials, they don't deserve respect"-- but I mean like at least those had like a baseline level of sincerity that the dubs didn't often attempt to match.

I think they did damage to perceptions of other English dubs too. Like I watch in Japanese first at pretty much all times unless for some reason the original's not available, but I can respect a dub that was done well or the cast seems to have had fun with. But 4Kids caused the perception that literally all English dubs censor/localize the shit out of everything, and it's kind of unfair for the groups actually trying to make a quality translation

>>280699647
The Pokemon dub was good precisely because it didn't stick to the japanese script. If you can't appreciate the silly, sometimes clever humor in the dub script, then you're simply not intelligent. It would've been far worse if they just stuck to the japanese script.

>>280699723
I wasn't necessarily talking about Pokemon for most of that post really, but thinking more of something like Tokyo Mew Mew/Mew Mew Power where I think their dubbing definitely crossed that line into "not good." I do realize that early Pokemon did have some extremely niche Japanese references they pretty much had to change to other stuff. I also get that since the Pokemon games already had localized names, it's actually fitting for the dub to rename original anime characters too.

I guess my point is more accurately: stuff that worked okay or was at least acceptable for something like Pokemon that might be "easier" to dub than other shows (many character names handed to them by the game translations, no deep plot they needed to keep track of, a lot of the dialogue is just literal Pokemon names) doesn't necessarily work for all shows.

I do agree some rewritten lines in their dubs can be funny really; just feels like sometimes there's a point where they're going too far with it.

>>280699723
4kids' silly NYC humor worked really well for Pokemon since it was a kids show, didn't have a lot of Japanese culture to start with. The fact that the Rocket trio were also Broadway wannabes ended up being an amazing coincidence for them as well. Their Yugioh dubs started out pretty decent but deteriorated over time, especially after Konami bought them out.

>>280699296
>They actually care about the austistic minutia of television and voice acting more than a/ does.
People on /a/ bitch about dub actors only being able to do the same three voices (which isn't wrong, mind you), but I feel like it's not much better when it comes to Japanese actors. Range is something I think 95% of actors struggle with since I don't think the human throat was designed to alter your voice in a million different ways. Yuichi Nakamura and Takahiro Sakurai come to my mind when it comes to a voice actor only able to do two voices, maybe three tops. Seems like you gotta be blessed with the right throat genetics or something.

Arguably its the reason I got into anime.
It was so laughably bad it caused me to go look up the source material online. That basically opened the doorway to me

Its an abstract feel.

Also somehow, despite the atrocious censorship, they still had better VAs for One Piece then the garbage that funi is producing. They also correctly identified Sanji as an irredeemable joke character and gave him a joke voice to match.

>>280696148
OPfags deserve this, btw.

>>280686605 (OP)
Good actors (if not overrated by today's standards), but lots of shitty scripts.

>>280701484
*scripts and direction

>>280686605 (OP)
I feel sorry for all the burger anons who had to experience anime through this, while we had some 4kids adaptations, over here we got tons of uncensored releases through third party dubbing companies

>>280701660
You boring ESLs love talking about your dubs but nobody actually gives a fuck.

I find it funny how people who hate on 4kidz almost always have a strong aversion to children's anime as well. It's like they're terrified of admitting anime could ever be seen as juvenile.

>>280701712
Never asked for you to care, no go YA YO YA YO elsewhere

>>280687415
Gotta go Gotta go Gotta go ho ho

>>280701660
It's not a big deal because every other company besides DiC and Saban did uncut dubs with sub DVDs even if it was edited on TV and those edits were on cable which had less rules than broadcasts, lot of Eurofags don't realize how many companies and options there were for anime in the US in the 90's and 00's. aMore opinions than vs now which why the dubs actually had different vas depending on the company because different areas vs just Texas we h
ad for like all the 2010's but now things seem to be moving more towards LA at least for all the dubs not by Crunchyroll.

>>280686605 (OP)
4kids is perfectly fine for what it was doing.
Dubs are NOT an equivalent experience. What 4kids sought out to do was to take foreign material and adjust it for western sensibilities to fit the same demographic.
For the most part, that worked. Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and even Kinnikuman were all incredibly successful in America under them. To this day people still talk about those works in 4kids terms, despite 4kids not working on them for decades (with the exception of Kinnikuman).
The only real misstep was One Piece, a work they were legally obligated to dub and was outside their scope.

>>280697716
>Toonami saved anime in the US by just letting it air as it came out originally.
By replacing blood with black dirt marks, replacing all references to death with "destroy", and cutting all the ecchi? Why are you pretending Toonami didn't also censor the shit out of every shounen they showed?

>>280702358
All those shows got released uncut so who cares? 4Kids shows never did besides some Yugioh DVDs. Hell most the Toonami versions are lost media.

>>280702225
I miss Ocean dubs

>>280686605 (OP)
Bad but the soundtrack they made for Yugioh is better than the original.

>>280702358
Nigga, when DBZ moved premieres on Toonami they kept in a shitton of blood and references to death. I was surprised back in the day going from the bloodless Ocean syndication era reruns and then the characters start saying "die" and "kill" as if the other dimension bs never happened.

>>280686605 (OP)
The hate is overblown; they had legitimate voice talent, writers, and directors. It's just overshadowed by the over-the-top levels of censorship. If they were more like Funimation or Viz's broadcast dubs, at the time with their level's of censorship nobody would find them controversial or memorable. the jelly donut shit only happened once (twice if you count when they were called something else), yet zoomers never shut up about it. they should have kept going with the uncut dvds, but they likely flopped

>>280687993
Editing out guns in a kids' show or turning them into toys is still ridiculous in a nation that grew up on G.I. Joe and shit. At least make them laser guns
>>280687785
The problem is that they overreach and/are forced to do dumb shit, like how do you defend the removal of all English text on signs and shit?

>>280703969

Why would you be surprised by that, were you so young you really were unable to figure out thats what those chages were supposed to be originally?
Ocean dub aired before morning cartoons for kids
wouldve started and if it originally aired in the afternoon like it did on toonami it wouldve been less censored before midnight run started airing the uncensored ones.

>>280704583

> make them laser guns

We lost the technology for this.

Misty is the one of the only female characters in history to have a better voice in English than Japanese. Compare how typically horrible Liko's English voice is to see how special 4kids was

>>280699342
>They tried to turn it into a boys' anime, started it midway through, made Syaoran the main character, and cut a ton of episodes
That is a myth and a meme, you autistic zoomer. Kids WB wanted another Pokemon, so they and Cartoon Network (given that they also did this for Gt) skipped ahead to his introduction. Despite this, no episode is undubbed (to my knowledge), as an edited version of episode 1 did air later, explaining the plot properly by flashing back to the beginning. Canada aired the whole show from the start, proving they always had those episodes. You're complaint about the mixed origin is retarded, as that's how localization is for every kids' show dub, you only save the easy Japanese ones to pronounce or shorten them, and when that fails, you go to something similar (touya-tory) or even just the same number of syllables (to-mo-yo to ma-duh-sn)

Their dubs were perfect for little kids.

>>280705130
The Dic Sailor Moon dub did a great job with the names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55iX64NmUDA

Bully la Bully

>>280705463
Fuck you and die up your ass, this would have been peak cringe comedy and you know it

>>280703969
The show is still censored even after Funimation's takeover, moron. Characters can't flip the bird, the most violent and bloody scenes are still cut, as DOES more than one reference to kill/killing (Gohan's infamous line to Super Buu being one of them), Mr. Satan becomes "Hercule", and now "Hercule Satan" going forward in all localized media as a half-assed "fix", etc. less is still less, their one-piece dub aired after 4kids' ended on toonami as well for a little bit, they had to make similar edits for that also.
>>280702358
*Funimation and Viz, bro. CN doesn't produce anime dubs

>the 4Kids Sonic X theme song was so influential it became the official catchphrase
https://x.com/SEGA_OFFICIAL/status/1782556249323925861

>>280686912
There were and probably still are so many Sonic spergs who made videos like that. They're all lucky they never got the attention Chris Chan did.
I remember they'd constantly argue about which Sonic voice actor was the best. Even as a kid I couldn't understand how people much older than me could get so rabidly angry about such an inconsequential topic.

>>280705463
I always lose it at the badly edited hotdog costumes

>>280686912
That era also had equally autistic fans of Sonic X making Nickleback and POD AMVs of Sonic X

>>280686605 (OP)
They sucked ass for the most part. Truly a (shity) product of its time.

They were only good for helping introducing the younger audience to anime and TMNT 2k3 (which they ruined season 6 and onward).

>>280705646
They had uncut editions on VHS/DVD though.

>>280705646
CN didn't produce any dubs but the company they worked closest with was Bandai Entertainment.

>>280688275
>The only super egregious censorship was One Piece and that wasn't 4kids' fault. They didn't want One Piece.
Yeah, a lot of big changes were authorized by Toei. Toei wanted OP to air on broadcast television so it can reach as broad of an audience as possible and didn't care how badly it had to be butchered, because they desperately wanted OP to be a hit in North America.

https://youtu.be/RSe8D2wfGKI

Several of 4kids' staff said they never wanted to dub OP because they knew the show wasn't appropriate for their target demo, but Toei forced OP on them as psrt of a package deal for two other shows (Kinnikuman Nisei and DoReMi) they actually wanted. They even went behind FUNimation's back at the last second after verbally agreeing to give them the license.

>>280706156
To think twenty years later Toei would get their wish in a totally different way

>>280706156
Toei push to make OP popular in the US finally paid off but still hasn't worked for Saint Seiya lmfao.

>>280706110
obviously. Even the original first three DBZ movies Funimation did with Saban were censored for broadcast, but uncut for home release

>>280686605 (OP)
Fuck them with a cactus. I'm glad they couldn't mutilate most dubs down south, although a few of their name changes did filter in (like in Yu-Gi-Oh).

>>280686605 (OP)
4kids? more like 4Kino

Underage fags could never comprehend

>>280706156
The ironic part is that Ojamajo Doremi was dead on arrival under them, not even finishing its entire dub on TV. It was posted to the site and later to their YouTube (ironically, Toei is dumping the episodes themselves as of summer). I doubt Kinnikuman did much better

>>280706443
*dub of its first season

>>280689384
I mean, I understand localisation, but did they really have to edit out the beautiful orchestral soundtracks and substitute them with timmy turner music?

>>280686605 (OP)
I love english dubs but holy shit 4kids was truly terrible

>>280706472
>I love english dubs
out

>>280686605 (OP)
Deltora Quest had a pretty good anime series, but only the first dozen of episodes had subs when it first aired, and for the longest time there was only a really shitty english dub. I think it was 4kids, if not then it's someone just as bad. I hate em. Luckly there has been a fanTL thats recently finished for the whole series, so it's been fun to watch it.

I really missed when dubbing studios made their own OSTs and dialogue changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB3wZR9yVyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcL3kAtbcYE
It was soulful. It may have been woke-slop today, but back then it showed that they cared and it did its job and actually did its job of localizing and got kids to watch these shows.

What's the point of boringly copying the japanese version 1:1 just to have some retarded neckbeard go "sub better"

>>280688190
Now that I'm a lot older and anime accessibility is easier than ever I agree. I don't watch dubs anymore but 4kids and Toonami helped me get into anime at least. I remember liking One piece despite the bad dub and was confused it was actually still going. With better internet too helped me get back into anime.

>>280687036
I mean, wasn't Japan basically doing the same thing for their anime movies (on top of the regular series)?

>>280701024
you gotta remember most seiyuu are typecast to do the one specific voice they're known for
even if they have range they usually don't get a chance to do it

>>280707008
We're talking about a dub studio getting an ensemble array of american popstars. Again, there's been nothing quite like Pokemon The First Movie in the past 25 years.

>>280686605 (OP)
DIC was better, they actually kept most of the content intact including the loli fanservice while only censoring out the woke homofaggotry, actually ended up being an improvement on the original Sailor Moon as a whole.

>>280695998
I thought it was issues regarding Atem's VA being under Johnny's agency who found out about the release and threatened legal action for unpaid royalties or some shit

>>280708955
>DIC
>shows S+ scene, they didn't have anything to do with
>is a pedophile

>>280705081
>Why would you be surprised by that, were you so young you really were unable to figure out thats what those chages were supposed to be originally?
Unironically yes. I was like 6 when I got into DBZ back in the day, and aside from time edits, the Toonami airings of the ocean dub were the exact same as the syndicated airings afaik. I wasn't shy to the concept of death, mind, but "another dimension" just stuck in my mind.

>>280706755
DQ wasn't 4Kids but I'll forgive your err because you posted Jasmine.

Fight For the Fight Box was cringekino and more publishers should have made stuff like it.

>>280706443
>I doubt Kinnikuman did much better
It did well enough for 4Kids to comission a second season, iirc. Plus we got two of the AKI videogames that became cult classics even among nonfans.

>>280706755
It definitely wasn't 4Kids. It sas dubbed in Canada and aired on The Hub (aka the horse cartoon network). I wish they kept "In This Life", at least as a credits song or something.

As a composer whose crack pipe dream in life would be to write music for anime, I am consistently malding that 20+ years ago, a group of 15ish people worked writing soundtracks to Pokemon, Yugioh, Sonic, Kirby, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, One Piece, and other shit, as their day job. They just walked into an office, booted up Pro Tools, and shat out the most basic bitch careless "I'm clocking in at 9, and clocking out at 5" background music imaginable.

>>280709690

> the Toonami airings of the ocean dub were the exact same as the syndicated airings afaik

But they didnt air at the same time, it aired in the afternoon weekdays on toonami but on regular tv years before it was on cable it first aired at like 6 in the morning on sunday.
You ever see cartoons full of uncensored violence and blood air at 6am sunday mornings?
One version was clearly advantaged by being able to air on cable tv in the afternoon and fully uncensored at midnight.

>>280710567
It doesn't matter where they aired, they were the same tapes regardless. Unless you have actual video evidence that the airings were different.

>>280687036
They got Donna Summer to release an ED song for the y2k movie, I will never hate Pokemon.

>>280711028
Weird Al too

>>280711028
*4kids Pokemon

>>280709454
>shows S+ scene, they didn't have anything to do with
It was all the same dubbing studio and localization team in the end anon, Optimum. DIC and Cloverway were just different banners they used to distribute the dub, you can use both interchangeably for the old dub there’s barely any difference.

wow this is a shockingly balanced thread

>>280707309
Most western VA's are the same. Steve Blum and Troy Baker are two examples of actors with surprising range, but ever since they made it big, every voice director just have them do their Spike Spiegel/Wolverine/Yuri Lowell/Joel voice they're known for.

>>280686605 (OP)
They made a lot of missteps but there's no doubt they did pretty well with Pokemon, and played a role in helping popularise anime today.

>>280706755
>fanTL
They gonna work on the DS game next?

Should finish that but I'm weighing up whether to read the next Rodda series, which I heard is also part of the Deltora Archipelago.

>>280686605 (OP)
It's funny to look back at just how hard they committed to the bit of "we brought One Piece over and redrew 90% of it."

>>280686605 (OP)
RIP James Carter Cashville, such an underrated dub talent VA

>>280686605 (OP)
Can we all agree the original Pokemon dub was really good fun? I would much rather watch with the 4kids dub than the original japanese audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70c4s4MGK4

>BULBASAUR, I CHOOSE YOU!

>>280712721
boomers are especially nostalgic about this one-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF6XeEtG9no

>>280686605 (OP)
The Pokemon Advanced stuff was kino, from k to the i to the n to the o.
4kids May gets my respect. Would marry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJW8e5Ynnw

>>280712762
For me, it's the Advanced Adventure instrumental
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4P9VxMRV8Q

>>280686605 (OP)
They were fine to watch as a kid. Obviously a kid has no concept of what good voice acting looks like so you could hire 2 hobos off the street and children would still like it. They made catchy songs in English for children so I guess respect for that.
But looking back it's easy to criticize them for editing a bunch of pointless things and cutting out episodes. I also don't get the point of trying so hard to localize things for an American audience when kids don't give a shit about all of that stuff. Kids are watching shows about super powered talking turtles, dinosaurs and shit and yet a rice ball is too foreign and strange for them to deal with?
I haven't seen an anime dub in 20+ years so I wouldn't know what dubs are like now, but I assume they're just as bad, except they don't touch the songs or cut random episodes so I guess that's a slight improvement?

tl;dr it was shit then, it is shit now but children are stupid and wouldn't care either way

>>280712798
Why all the 10 year olds in this show had tits?

What's his name again? I feel like it's one I should know.

>>280713510
I feel a need for a monster to clobber him

>>280713363
>what's it like now
Dude. The Pokemon anime ended 2 years ago. It's officially over and Ash never won a proper championship. The last episode had him saying like "My final dream is to befriend all Pokemon in the world" as if that's not what he was doing the whole show.

The best way to watch the show is from the first season to the end of the XYZ Kalos stuff, watch all the movies and specials, just avoid Sun&Moon and Journeys, they're honestly kinda unwholesome in the context of the ashnime and feel like bad fanfiction and YES I know the ashnime isn't some classical masterpiece in the first place but whatever I WARNED YOU.

2 years ago I actually watched 30 episodes of Indigo League in Japanese and here's what I'll tell you. Ash is way different in Japanese, more on the serious side and I can't say I really like it. But it's a good voice nevertheless. In the 4kids dub his emotions have a wider range. Misty is surprisingly more or less the same in both English and Japanese in terms of pitch and cadence, never would have expected that. Brock is way better in English, in Japanese he's just kinda bland.

Meowth sounds more annoying in Japanese but I guess that's the point of his character. Jessie and James aren't too different from what I remember.

Gary sounds more pretentious in English.

I wanna be the very best is more epic than the Nakanakanaka Japanese opening song, which frankly sounds like kinda outdated song from the 1980s or something for what is a 1997 released show.

I DID appreciate the hyakugojuu Pikachu ending song though, even sang along a couple of times.

>>280714724
Nope.
Only the first season with the 4kids dub is worth watching.
XY was cringe and Ash was boring as fuck.

>>280712562
>They gonna work on the DS game next?
As far as I know they are not. I think I read somewhere that its one of those games where the way text is stored and rendered it makes it extremely difficult to translate from a programming perspective. Always thought it was weird we never got the game seeing as how the series was oringally in english, but I suppose the series was extremely popular in Japan. maybe I should make a Deltora Quest thread