>>280709431 (OP)
weren't those nips ready to stab their own emperor to death while shouting REVERE THE EMPEROR. we did them a favor

>>280709431 (OP)
If able the loser will also try to make the winner look evil, what a strange coincidence.

Well yeah, history is written by the winners.

>>280709431 (OP)
An actually strong female protagonist in terms of will, pragmatic intellect and wit just doing what she can to survive in a very hostile environment and yet there are tons of people who shit on this manga because of muh nipponese right wingers or something.

>>280709549
..and 3rd party observers, and the losers to if they're still around, and guys centuries later trying to sift through the primary sources separate fact from fiction, and youtubers testing historical claims about various aspects of material culture.
There's a whole bunch of people who write history.

>>280709431 (OP)
>invade other countries and blow shit up
>get invaded and get shit blown up
>still cry about it 80 years later
maybe i was more understanding when i saw it in anime and manga in the 2000's but this is getting old now. Rolled my eyes and slapped my nuts extra hard when i saw it be the main "reason" that set off he happenings in summer rendering

>>280709431 (OP)
>>280709549
>history is written by the winners
History is written by those who write. We know more about Athens in the Peloponnesian War despite them losing, for example.

>>280709431 (OP)
If the losers are so great why did God not grant them victory?

>>280709549
It is and people ITT still can't accept it.
>>280709656
People know the holohoax and 9/11 was bullshit but guess what? We still roll with it and use it as a springboard for laws because we, the ones without monopoly on violence, don't get to decide what's the correct version of history.

>>280709431 (OP)
The fact that america never associates nazism with japan tells you we never twisted them into something evil

>>280709735
This. We literally let them off the hook for shit like Nanking and the death marches because they gave us everything from their 731 research

>>280709658
People do the same about muh jet fuel and steel beams, it's not unique to the side that for all intents and purposes objectively lost, in the Japanese's case it's actually more understandable why they are still seething about it. It's in everyone's nature to want history presenting them in a positive light no matter what they actually achieved, or pretended to have been part of the actual achieving group for that matter.

>>280709735
Presently? Sure. But purely because they see Japan as a tactical ally, and maybe even a vassal, a la Okinawa.
USA demonized them just fine right until they nuked them. They then went "oops, my bad."

>>280709549
>t.

>>280709791
They stop demonising them when the war ended, it's pretty logical to demonise your enemies during a war

>>280709717
God, every time this idea pops up it's either it's nazis or some point about Carthage. Why can't it ever be a Swede mad about losing the Great Northern War huh?

>>280709791
>>280709878
All you need to know about US policy in Japan during and post war is they spent last year or so mining its ports, cutting off all trade with the mainland, and bombing all its railroads, exacerbating a famine that was slowly reaching truly apocalyptic levels. Within a few months Japan would've been eating itself.

Then they dropped some super weapons on them. After which Japan, after doing another coup or two, surrendered.

Then the US occupation forces engaged in a massive food support program during the occupation. With MacArthur, kind of a prick in general but on the ball here, pointing out that it was the US's duty to keep the Japanese from starving now that they'd surrendered to US military control.

Brutal in war and generous in peace is the way to go, anons.

>>280709699
He did when he let them reclaim the holy land

>>280709591
Japan is the only country that took 4 hostile nukes and wont submit. they deserve their independence.

>>280709787
>muh jet fuel muh steel beams
there where no planes.

>>280709761
>>280709735
lol. lmao
>>280709791
japan is objectively a vassal they cannot have their own MILITARY

>>280709591
But you have to admit nobody is trying yo make the jap ‘looks evil’ despite their claims of dindu
In fact, the US actively ignores japan past war crimes. It is the chinese and koreans who keeps bringing it back up

>>280710643
Americans are fine with and have even been pushing Japan to repeal Article 9 and build up their military to counter China since Bush2 at least. Average Japanese are happy enough with the current arrangements and don't see the need to change it.

did they give up on the scans?

>>280710861
>americas are fine with
retard. the last thing (((they))) want is an armed japan.

>>280710676
>nobody is trying to make japan look evil
>except all the people who are, like me, i guess idk.

>>280709791
>USA demonized them just fine right until they nuked them
They did this because they were racist. Because it was enemy Asian nation This almost caused problem when they China as ally

>>280709549
it's a meme, ask /his/
there are so many conflicts where the historiography is dominated by the side which lost on the battlefield. Going all the way back to the Peloponnesian war (it helps in that case that Spartans didn't write lmao) or the Three Kingdoms (Shu lost)

>>280709549
>>280712920
It's peak midwit take on history

>>280709656
History is a normie wash. Everyone in the know knows what actually happened, they don't brag about it. Rather, they use it for making decisions and public statements that are frequently at odds.

>>280709549
>Ottomans
>Huns
>Bronze Age Tribe Horde (we don't even know who they were lol)
>Japan

>>280709893
>Has regular soft-core sex with her half-sister/clone.

Blackpilled grvke trvkes (1/3)

>>280714739
(2/3)

Silence, incel

>>280714760
(3/3)

>>280712920
How come Japan gets nuked twice and Americans still prance around like they were the good guys all along? To this day they do horrible shit in many countries around the world, toppling governments, keeping countries in permanent wars and ruin just to benefit themselves, but history never mentions that

>>280714845
>>280714801
No. New /a/ tourists who have trouble getting a gf out of their league must hear these grim brvtal trvke nvkes haven't seen or heard before.
Bonus track.
Women will never acknowledge acountability for her actions and will always blame her simp for her cheating on him or betraying him.
In a world of happy lies and toxic transactional and parasocial bad habits, i am that dark and hurtful yet necessary glimmer of light for those who are struggling with real life.

>>280714882
>go to war over stupid bullshit
>AMERICA MADE ME DO THIS REEEE
epic

>>280714882
>they
And its annexed state of Israhell too.

>>280709878
I'd imagine that they're pretty happy that they didn't have any of their former eastern possessions in 1939. Swedes dodged a bullet by losing their empire. They only had it in the first place because Russia was going through a period of weakness, it wasn't sustainable in the long run. Russia was going to bounce back at some point eventually, there's just too many of them.

>>280709431 (OP)
Regardless of your seethe over the particulars, the principle she speaks is sound. The caveat being, if you're gonna be despicable you better win because upping the ante while you're losing just means you lose faster to a now more insensitive enemy. This sentiment she speaks of is demonstrated by referencing WW2 but it is hardly a new one to the Japanese, who had this argument ~1000 years ago after trying to fight honorably against the Mongols. And you could easily apply it to several domestic wars as well.

>>280714989
>if you're gonna be despicable you better win because upping the ante while you're losing just means you lose faster to a now more insensitive enemy.
hmm, could this apply to some recent events? really makes you think

>>280709735
i don't know America and Americans seemed more friendly to Germans post wwii than they did to japs, probably because of pearl harbour (i can't remember if Germany ever directly attacked America)

>>280715011
Material advantage matters more than moral high ground is another caveat. If your opponent has no real capacity for reprisal you can basically do whatever to them. If your opponent has infinite resources then doing some plucky underdog terrorism just opens you up for them to hunt you like dogs. Bellum iustum is generally worth following as long as you can afford to, and if you can't afford to you're probably gonna lose anyways.

>>280710800

>>280710800
What a load of horseshit
Don't care if this is bait

>>280710800
one the one hand, SMIP.
on the other, women are parasites and the second you aren't useful to them you are replaced.
so yeah either die alone and unloved or be the workhorse

>>280714882
>To this day they do horrible shit in many countries around the world, toppling governments, keeping countries in permanent wars and ruin just to benefit themselves, but history never mentions that
Tell me that you've never read a history book without telling me that you've never read a history book.

>>280709658
It's so fucking dumb because most major Japanese creators who actually LIVED through WWII absolutely do not defend Japans actions there. They were fully aware Japan fucked up and became staunchly anti-war because of it.

This insipid WWII apologia comes from an asshole totally divorced from the war they're trying to romanticize. They talk in a relatively cushy position, in a society that no longer had to pick up the pieces from the rubble and start over.

>>280709549
The fucking sea people didn't write shit

>>280709761
We made that shit up but we're friendly now and it doesn't have anything to do with Jews so we don't care lol.

>>280709431 (OP)

>>280715526
BASED

>>280709431 (OP)
more like actual nukes (2)

>>280715379
Not with strong pair bonds

>>280714882
How do you know these things right now if somehow no one has documented it and passed it to people in the future?

>>280715526
In fairness, marriage is about bonding while learning to live with each others' flaws.

japs are bugs, youd be shocked how many arent even aware of the atomic bombings let alone upset by them

>>280709695
This.

>>280714760
I mean she's right. The majority of emotional fuckups in adults nowadays is caused by bad romantic relationships (or lack thereof). Even if what she did was far more extreme and retarded than what might happen irl, the sentiment is still true.

>>280718910
If they were upset you'd call them bugs for that anyway

>>280719525
cope

>>280717843
That sort of sentiment is the inevitable reaction to demonization and blatant hypocrisy. If I were Japanese I would be pretty fucking tired of hearing Koreans tell me every single day how my nation and culture is somehow uniquely evil when Koreans did all the same shit that in Vietnam that they're mad at Japan for, had the longest unbroken chain of slavery in world history and managed to turn their peninsula into a hell on earth by creating both the worst communist dystopia and the worst capitalist dystopia in the modern world. I might say "fuck it" too if it were me.

>>280717875
The sea people were defeated by Egypt, who wrote about them.

>>280709549
WW2 proves this correct

>>280709549
OH NO NO NO NO NO COPING SISTERS WE LOST..

>>280719724
How?

>>280709695
>History is written by the writers.
Now give those monks their tax cut or they'll make sure you'll be remembered as the king who took it up the ass for centuries to come.

>>280719724
Obsession with the idea that success will make you happy is just going to trap you in an endless cycle of chasing after something that doesn't exist. It's the life of an addict.

>>280712920
>/his/
I don't want to pick on you /his/faggot but if I want to know about history that's the last place I'd go.

>>280718910
That's chinks

>>280714912
>go to war because america embargoed them for no reason after insisting they had no vested interests in asia

>>280712920
Because their histories get dug up way later and turned into myth in order to craft a narrative that modern nations can identify with
spartans were distorted and turned into an ideal of masculine society long after those who defeated them fell to ruin themselves
Shu is similar, representing a nation founded by great men with principles and morals who only lost to wei due to a difference in resources and men, an appealing narrative of a losing nation that are still the true heroes

>>280718910
>upset by them
lol it happened like a hundred years ago boomer
it's time to move on

>>280719891
>If I were Japanese I would be pretty fucking tired of hearing Koreans tell me every single day how my nation and culture is somehow uniquely evil
Damn, should've thought about that before having a uniquely evil nation and culture.

>>280726395
Why do you consume media of a uniquely evil nation and culture?

>>280726920
I don't play chink or gook games though.

>>280710800
Wrong version.

>>280709431 (OP)
Japan committed horrendous atrocities during ww2 and before. The koreans and chinese have committed atrocities against Japan and each other (and vietnam and others).

Each country has a subset of people who think every crime their country has ever done was actually a good and based thing, because that's their ethnicity/nationality and they don't want to feel bad about stuff they didn't personally do.

Not unique to japanese, asians, or losing sides of conflicts.

>>280715011
Yes.
But, to make sense, you need to think 3 steps back and 3 steps ahead. At the end of the day, Arab diaspora isn't willing to actually risk their lives in the fields of combat, the Gulf states/Iran won't want another 1948 or 1967, anybody with any sort of Ambition has already fled the occupation zones, and Israel is too far into postmodernism to double down and smoothly engage in a endgame occupation like how WW2 ended.

But that is NOT interesting.
What is more interesting, are if Russia is going to survive the decade or not. Will Ivan lose gracefully, will he be occupied by Chang in exchange for aid, or will it escalate to the point where NATO threats realize by removing the Russian state west of the Urals if its kept up long enough?

>>280709695
>>280721068
I find it fascinating that India spent millenia in a end of history phase, where only the Clergy could read and write, condemning society to just exist in the present as the migration flow of invaders got integrated just like the meme.
A society where ambition, technology and mastery died with living memory

It's not posted enough

>>280722666
>for no reason
nice try satan

>>280709431 (OP)

>>280709431 (OP)
You're supposed to replace the u with a V now you're entire thread is ruined

>>280714845
TDLR?

>>280728140
The weirdest strawman I've seen in a manga, even korean webnovels are not as bad

>>280726920
I exclusively pirate all of my Japanese content.

>>280728140
tamaki's toned tummy though

>>280714882
>muh nukes
Raping, murdering, pillaging, and flattening half of china for the crime of not wanting to be invaded = okay
Hundreds of thousands of big bombs = okay
2 REALLY big bombs = not okay

In a villain tierlist of WW2 Japan would unironically be at the very top, higher than the Soviet Union and I say this as a lifelong weeb.

>>280714882
History constantly mentions that lol. You think it's a secret that the US has meddled constantly in South America for example? We actively admit it.
>>280715203
If you want to go there I'm pretty fucking tired of seeing people on 4chan jerk off their favorite losing empire when they're winning but cry like a bitch how it's unfair and babble something about jews or material unfairness. Praising "Vae victis" is a two way street

>>280709525
Maybe the army was, they got the short end of the stick when it came to Japanese politics. Everyone else was devoted to him

>>280727560
>I find it fascinating that India spent millenia in a end of history phase,
India is a large place, it's bigger than France, Germany, and Spain combined. Bigger than France, Germany, Spain, Poland and Ukraine combined. How can you condemn something that big to "end of history phase", what the fuck do you even know about the history of that subcontinent?

>>280730692
No they were actually going to just stuff him in a broom closet under house arrest. Which I find funny considering how much these people praise their emperor on the face but really nothing fundamentally changed when it came to the cycles of using him as a figurehead to back up what you really want to do.

>>280730882
Who was going to stuff him, the army? the military as a whole? The political elite of the time?

>>280709431 (OP)
>Truth Nukes
hehe

>>280709431 (OP)
Hey thanks of posting this. I just read the 85 chapters of this I could find – then I read them again. What a great find

>>280728575
The reasons why you'll never get a woman out of your league and should start knowing your place or do something to powerscale in the social hierarchy.

>>280731304
Grvke Trvke (Grim nvke trvth nvke).

>>280709431 (OP)
Japan's war crimes are about equal to 2 nukes so id say it was a fair trade.
But I still hate that it targeted civilians that can never be forgiven.

>>280710614
2 nukes.

>TRVKE thread
>90% is about women
nigga....

>>280730584
>america telling you you can't have nukes because you'll use them
>america being the only country that ever used nukes

>>280730584
China themselves asked japan to invade.
Nanking was under the control of Muslims, strange how that is never mentioned huh or the massive drug operations that the japs killed off which still reflect in modern asia political ideology.

>>280732279
More chinese citizens were killed as revenge for helping the Dolittle raids pilots escape (a raid with no japanese deaths) than were killed by both bombs. Its not a remotely even trade, japan got off incredibly easy.

>>280709656
counterpoint: carthago

>>280728652
the antifeminist centaur girl takes the crown imo. though it's definetally up there

>>280709431 (OP)

>>280714882
>but history never mentions that
???
People won't stop talking about it, its constantly about how "Pinochet was an evil fascist that overthrew a perfect socialist government" and "Communists Cambodia was forced to commit genocide because of Kissinger" or how le banana corporations tried to take over the world.

>>280714845
>100,000 yen
>672 usd
Yea, he should have called it wraps right there.

>>280734797
The idea that a woman cares about a man's personality and interests outside of thinking that having one is icky is laughable

>>280714882
If history never mentioned it then how do you know about it

>>280714882
>How come Japan gets nuked twice and Americans still prance around like they were the good guys all along?
Because Japan were the bad guys, bub.

Anti-cars BTFO

>>280736186
I can just do that with my bike.

>>280709431 (OP)
>The winner will twist history to make you look evil
The Japanese Army did it to themselves during the war. Jap war crime denialists are fucking retarded

>>280709431 (OP)
Why are women like this

>>280734651
>Read monster girl manga.
>Cute centaur.
>WORDS WORD WORDS

>>280734421

>>280736186
With a car, you can go anywhere you want.

>>280736186
Living in a walkable city > Cars

>>280709431 (OP)
thanks op. i had completely forgot about this novel and there are 8 more volumes now, time to catch up

Absolutely floors me we just don't nuke Iran. Like right now.
Ffs.

>>280738390
Why choose? I live in a city where everything is 10 minutes away tops on foot. Im very glad i have a car regardless to go camping, shooting, grocery shopping, head to nearby cities on a whim, etc. unless youre in giganeotokyo, being cooped up in one city without a car sounds pretty bad, no city has walkable mountain ranges or walkable “fishing in a serene lake”. I think in a perfect world everyone had a setup like mine with a car and a well designed city.

>>280738723
Go to bed Hillary

>>280709431 (OP)
I still find it funny some Japs are so angry about this given that they're prospered so quickly after the war. Meanwhile, half of Germany was made into a shithole under the USSR.

>>280710800
if he said "your woman" I'd maybe get it

>>280709431 (OP)
The twisting them as evil thing I understand, but
>gracefully and honorably
haha

>>280710861
This. So sick of this myth being repeated. Article 9 was a nip soft power strategy to regain trust from both the allies and their former colonies. It's in the interest of the US for the nips to have their own military so that they don't need to leech off US defense spending too much. Explain why the krauts were allowed to have their military back a decade after the war if this wasn't the case.

Man I'm jealous of the sheer might of Japanese soft power. Countries like Russia and China spend millions on troll farms to gain sympathy for their countries with little success and then you have random white American dudes playing down or denying Japanese war crimes during WW2 online for free because they happened to like their cartoons. Why can't I have random American dudes whitewash stuff like the occupation of East Timor and West Papua for my country?

>>280739354
It's just way easier to point to the giant nukes and say "this was horrible and evil" than to go through all the historic texts about rap or whatever.

>>280711010
Even the Jews want an armed Japan you retard. Because that means more F35s being built.

>>280728140
Was this in the anime?
Please tell me it was

>>280739507

>>280739584

>>280721068
>>280709695
Don't forget both the North and South writing their own histories about the Civil War in the USA(it's just as bad as it sounds).

>>280728140
I'm guessing the PTA called him out just like Uncle Go in the 70s//80s.

>>280709431 (OP)
too bad translation stopped because of that one faggot going MTL on it

>>280726920
NTA, but assuming it was true and the culture was static since then....
Why wouldn't I?

>>280738723
Read up on how close we came to nuking China in the 1950s and solidifying for all time that atomic warfare was the way to go for all conflicts in the future

MacArthur had to be forcibly retired

>>280730982
it would have been naval top brass and the political elite who were in their pockets (because they ousted or assassinated the ones who weren't)

all is fair in war
trying to make rules over who and how it's okay to kill is the biggest joke humanity has ever told
goes for both nukes and 'war crimes'

>>280728140
..and then everyone clapped!

>>280709431 (OP)
>a literal truth nuke in the background
lmao

>>280709431 (OP)
>Noooo we did not commit massive unnecessary atrocities that made our people look like psychotic satanic demons!
>History was written by people who wanted to make us look bad, uniquely our culture! Look over there they used atomic bombs on us! Ignore that we weren't going to surrender, just think we might've surrendered peacefully if stalin got involved!
>Sex slavery? Never heard of it! Rape of Nanjing? It was like that when we got there! Unit 731? They weren't under government control! Bataan death march! It was just a long bit of exercise to keep the prisoners in shape! We wuz gud boyz we didn do nuffin.
Yeah everyone is trying to make imperial japan "look evil".

>>280740028

>>280714505
Lesbianism isn't as bad as faggotry. The STD rate and ancient culture from across the world agrees with me.

>>280711010
>(((they)))
They wanted Japan to re-arm so America can focus on protecting Israel you moron. They know modern Japan is a already slave to the central bank.

>>280709658
Nuking Japs made us evil, because two wrongs don't make a right. We are as bad as them.

>>280739354
Japanese soft power gets mega overrated. If you step outside the weeb bubble you'll notice that all the big Western countries absolutely mog Japan in soft power. The special thing about Japanese soft power is that people who like Japan really fucking love it with a hardcore fervor. Probably because Japan's soft power successes are mostly in the realm of autistic nerd shit.

>>280739923
macarthur's seething tantrum did not represent a serious strategic consideration

>>280730831
Because geography and settlement follows resistance.
Just like how you got the Slavic flood plane all the way from the Urals to Poland and Ukraine, the Indus valley is something quite similar.
>How can you condemn something that big to "end of history phase"
By
"where only the Clergy could read and write, condemning society to just exist in the present as the migration flow of invaders got integrated just like the meme."
The Clergy writing here is very fascinating. You get invaders who enter the area, get settled due the stability of the agriculture and the fertility, and then get domesticated by the clergy system.

Then again
>He picked 3 medium countries as an example, which also exclude the client and buffer states between them

>>280740832
To be honest Japanese targeted a military installation (Pearl Harbor, misguided attack but still morally right), you lot targeted civilian non-fighting centres with heavy Christian populations. (Morally wrong, it would've been okay to nuke Tokyo or other places with heavy military presence at the time such as Okinawa.)

You don't simply rape palestinians and murder civilians in hospitals and try to claim superiority afterwards. Does that make sense now?

I didn't fully "get" Jinrui wa Shimashita when it came out. But with more than a decade of witnessing government and corpo posturing under the belt I can only say it was a masterpiece.

>>280738390
What if you live in the countryside?

>>280734797
Everything about that woman's reasoning was on point.
MC should have died, and his love interest should have left him dying for being a virgin. What's wrong with a bitter end where a virgin sacrifices his own existence and life just to save all virgins in the world? He may have not become an adult, but his actions made the survivors start seeing virgins as persons instead of subhuman lowlifes.

>>280734949
>Pinochet was an evil fascist that overthrew a perfect socialist government
An actual fact. If not for Kissinger and Nixon funding the road transport mafia to confiscate the food and industrial production (and block railroads bc Allende used the railways during that time, however trucks blocked the railroads too) and the coup d' etat, Chile would have been more advanced at that time than it ended up being.
A reminder they would have been one of the precursors for what we know nowadays as the internet. Lurk about the "SYNCO project".

>>280742473
Horse.

>>280732348
4
>>280739540
wrong

>>280740312
wrong. they literally nuked japan four times. they hate japan

>>280726920
>Why do you consume media of a uniquely evil nation and culture?
Pay more attention to the posts that came before yours.
>>280717843
>It's so fucking dumb because most major Japanese creators who actually LIVED through WWII absolutely do not defend Japans actions there. They were fully aware Japan fucked up and became staunchly anti-war because of it.
These are the people whose culture this board consumes, not the culture of the people who were pro war, the people whom realized it was wrong.

Muzan did nothing wrong.

>>280744701
Two times. Yeah. I'm not sure where you are getting 4. You must be the most retarded person on the internet.