Thread 280741015

I kinda get this guy. If you had a permanently disabled child who needed care for the rest of their life, you would walk away too. No parent wants to raise a disabled kid on purpose. People who put up with it out of a moral obligation have it rough.

>>280741015 (OP)
Viewed in a pragmatic way, yes
But once you start adding Faith in the picture, the perspective shifts greatly

God has a plan for every soul and that disabled child has something great awaiting him. Just have faith

Love is not moral, it's natural.

>>280741015 (OP)
is that why your parents left?

>>280741070
But how long can faith really last for? Are you sure you can still have faith after 10 years, 20 years, years 30 years etc? It feels like a long time to put up with something you didn't ask for. I can still see why someone who isn't mentally capable of that would opt out and give their child to someone who could.

>>280741070
this line of reasoning can lead to "god crippled your kid for the lolz"

>>280741108
>>280741117
Mate, you guys have to understand that the biggest irony in the world is that the greatest believers are the ones who are going through shit

And the ones most blessed by God are the ones who reject him the most

Everyone in the bible went through shit. The messiah is right there on the Cross. God never promised that life would be easy.
The better question is where is he in your life in times of health and plenty

>>280741015 (OP)
Its rough. People don't think of the real effects of it psychologically long term, but its not something that can be ran away from. Someone has to take care of them until the day they die, and if its your child then that has to be you (unless you're rich and/or really don't give a shit.)
If you can feel guilt, then that guilt will crawl up your spine and break into your skull like a woodpecker.

>>280741070
No, sorry, minimizing the suffering of a child, even the unknowing suffering of an existence robbed from them through a congenital disorder takes priority over their heavenly afterlife. National institutions should be established that either euthanize them (in serious cases) or relieves the families of their burden via excellent caretaking.

Same goes for severe dementia in the elderly. A life not lived is not worth living. That goes triply so for children with severe disabilities, especially cognitive.

>>280741177
The question is who gets to decide "when it is not worth living" and under what criteria

Do not play God, lad
Let God decide when a soul will be judged

>>280741139
Anon, Platinum end thread ended half a week ago.

>>280741015 (OP)
>No parent wants to raise a disabled kid
And yet, your parents chose to raise you.

>>280741070
I AM THE BEAST THAT LIKES TO PREACH
DON'T FACE YOUR PROBLEMS
RESORT TO BELIEF

>>280741193
There has to be an objective standard, and consent from the parents (or caretakers in the case of the elderly). And of course the caretaking aspect of this would be the vastly larger focus. A soul is judged when it's created.

>>280741108
After long enough it becomes less about having faith in God and more about having shame for not doing good enough by God imo.

>>280741015 (OP)
The spartans used to throw them from a mountain and the japanese used to drown them in water

>>280741070
>God has a plan for every soul and that disabled child has something great awaiting him.
Okay, that plan is to dump the child because that's what god made me do.
If God has a plan, and that plan simply works, nothing I do matters, because that's all on God.

This isn't an anime thread.

>>280741322
God has a plan and everyone's role is to do as he did

>>280741193
This entire line of conversation is bitterly ironic because aging, dementia, grotesque birth defects and other evils uncaused by human hands are the most blatant testament to how little fuck God gives about us.
If he does exist, he better not complain if we bring order and a modicum of sanity to the universe that he subcontracted to blind claws of nature.

>>280741139
I'm not religious at all, like I guess you could describe me as "agnostic atheist" or whatever since while it doesn't seem to me there is a god, religion or the lack thereof just doesn't really play a role in my life

but all that said I think any atheist who's constantly commenting shit like "the fact bad things happen in the world is proof that there's no god :^)" has like the most immature whiny pissbaby take imaginable. Why would the existence of a god mean you need your dick sucked 24/7 for existing. Where in the Bible or any other religious text does it say that humans are guaranteed constant paradise on earth. In fact actually in those same religious texts it makes it clear that humans are meant to go through shit, so that lame "gotcha" take of If Suffering, Why God doesn't seem to actually contradict the Bible at all

like I'm not even religious but that specific brand of dumbass whiny atheist almost makes me want to post Christian bullshit purely out of spite. I prefer the smug Science Atheist stereotype to that since at least they're basing their take on actual provable facts and not just a selfish desire to expect to be constantly rewarding for living

I don't actually have anything to say about the OP topic/image, I just wanted to comment this for a while. I'm not actually a believer so if anyone wants to attack a strawman of my own take here, that's cool

>>280741381
Everyone in the bible went through shit
The ones who hate God the most are the ones who live pampered lives

>>280741353
But the character and subject are from the anime Kamisama ni Natta Hi. It's a really interesting subject you never see other anime try to cover. I dont think I've seen another anime handle the subject at all desu

>>280741382
NTA, but because the claim is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.
I don't know why you get emotional at a simple rebuttal like this. Yeah, they can't be all true or bad things wouldn't exist. We didn't make the absolutist claim so don't complain that dealing in absolutes sounds silly.

>>280741419
Because most anime have class and rightfully ignore ugly things from reality.

>>280741429
>they can't be all true or bad things wouldn't exist.
Anon still thinking like a kid

>>280741451
>Because most anime have class and rightfully ignore ugly things from reality.
That has never been true

>>280741381
How do you conclude that dementia and birth defects aren't caused by humans?

>>280741419
There is a shoujo manga about a mom dealing with raising her severely autistic son, With the Light.

faith is how losers and poor people cope with reality
winners don't need to cope, that's why they're mostly not religious

>>280741451
meanwhile in my generic isekai anime: rape, salevery, rape, adultery, rape, etc.

>>280741486
t. someone who never had real problems

>>280741490
Rape and slavery and adultery can all be portrayed with dignity and aren't universally bad.

>>280741412
>Appeal to Bible, again
>Out of tune assertion with no arguments, again
>Picrel is clumsy strawman
I notice you're not good at this. Unironically read Christian apologists from Lewis onwards, or ask ChatGPT to give you better arguments

>>280741452
I can accept that bad things happen to innocent people.
I thought that was supposed to be part of growing up and becoming an adult.
If your way to accept it is through faith it's okay, it's just the weirdest topic to use to proselytize.

>>280741481
ill give this a read. thanks.

>>280741481
This is depressing af

>>280741070
Faith is good. Pragmatism is better.

>>280741516
Atheism does not exist in the real world
You are just a buch of spoiled brats

What is a woman

>>280741542
i was going to say that a mom dealing with the struggles of raising a disabled child remnds me of a silent voice, but that's more physical disability and not mental.

>>280741546
Logic and reason tells you that suicide is the logical end

>>280741139
That's not irony. Faith and hope are a very powerful tool to deal with negative emotions. This is not specific to your religion either.

>>280741015 (OP)
Honestly, it makes no sense that somehow people think it's fine for women to abort a baby for because of 10 months of her life and body but a lifetime of toiling is justified in case of disabled kids. Peter Singer is right that that parents have the complete right to euthanize their kids until they form an idea of self(Around 3-4 years).

>>280741139
>>280741589
>>280741616
People still don't understand that religion is the logical end to Darwinism

>>280741429
>the claim is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving
I don't usually see the people I'm talking about say "a loving god" specifically, they literally just say pretty much the text in >>280741412 this image. If more people said that, those comments wouldn't stand out to me as much because at least their logic holds up better

>I don't know why you get emotional at a simple rebuttal like this.
I'm not getting emotional really, the take I'm talking about just strikes me as weirdly whiny/self-centered and I've never commented this anywhere until now so yeah, I went into detail to make my point clear. I don't quite get the logic of why bad things wouldn't exist though-- like, yeah, maybe the "all-loving" part if people are focusing on criticizing some specific quote about the Christian God, but that's never what I see mentioned. It's just "no god because bad thing in world"

Like, I don't think there's a god either, but I can see bad things still happening if there was one because I don't see why a god's existence would involve having to constantly reward its creations. Or the god could just be an asshole or something

>We didn't make the absolutist claim
I think a lot of people do and that's what I was talking about, the people who absolutely trip over themselves to constantly post smarmy internet atheist comments about some RL human tragedy that the majority of the time had nothing to do with religion at all. If that's not what you were thinking of/talking about re:atheism, then I wasn't referring to you, and I most likely agree with atheists who use different/better arguments than that. I don't really have much more to say on this subject but hopefully my point's a little clearer.

>>280741589
It isn't
But it's the only one that tells you that God loves you, has plans for you, and is willing to die for you

Everything else just tells you that humanity was made out of "random chance" or if humans were designed for something, it is no equal role to the animals

>>280741544
Honestly these kinds of mothers that want to treat their children as some kind of living dolls are in for a bad stuff once their kids go to puberty and they don't any longer act like precocious children. That happened with my mom who married very young (at 18) and for her me and my siblings were a bunch of living dolls to play with. Come our puberty, she couldn't really cope with our changing sexuality and my mom even bolted away my doors hinges so that I won't do 'bad stuff'. Honestly, it's for better she gets rid of these kinds of attitude towards parenting at an earlier stage.

>>280741419
>it's a cute potato girl
Ok, now here's the real deal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_nhwLGkC5Y

>>280741015 (OP)
No I get it, I have friends who have families that have to take care of retards and it seems rough. I don’t think I would walk away but I definitely would secretly seethe about it.

>>280741686
seeing this makes me sympathize with the deadbeat dad's reasoning for walking away even more desu. it's not like it'll end one day and the kid will suddenly get better.

>>280741673
>Everything else just tells you that humanity was made out of "random chance" or if humans were designed for something, it is no equal role to the animals
So you like to believe in God because it strokes your ego? figures

>>280741493
He's not wrong though. There's a reason why religion is most prevalent in brown shitholes while white countries are the least religious.

>>280741814
On the contrary, the Bible tells you that you are not special. Humans fall at the lowest hierarchy. St. Peter, the highest of the apostles got "struck" by an angel who told him to get up and leave the prison. Then it left without saying goodbye. (Rude)
That's how low we are
The one and only thing that a human may boast is the fact that God loves us

>>280741818
yes, and that reason is the fact that you have gone too rich for too long
Just like the same old tale in the Book of Judges

Suffering leads to faith
Faith leads to Worship
Worship leads to prosperity
Prosperity leads to sin
Sin leads to suffering

Repeat

>>280741669
Some people are really attached to their nihilist views, I suppose.
To me thinking god wanted the child to be disabled or that the solution is to snuff the poor kid are both crazy positions to take.
I believe in gods with limited powers, knowledge and partial moralities, so I agree that gods don't have to and indeed don't pamper us and they can be selfish and mind their own business.
But I'm a Buddhist so it's a different, middle of the way point of view.
I guess we've answered the question in the sense that it's one of the worst things that can happen to you and most couldn't deal with it at all.

>>280741108
A really long time than you would believe, you don't know how strong of a cope religion is. I remember being once forced to go to Church by my parents if I can live in their house and when I went there there was an absolutely crippled manlet guy who was praying there. I remember looking at him and thinking, 'wow if that were me, I would kill myself'.

>>280741070
This is untrue. God's plan could be anything. Your decision is part of God's plan so you really cant do anything wrong in this situation. Maybe God plans for them to die young and have their body donated to science to study the disability? Maybe their body is buried in just the right spot that it fossilized and humans in the future can study the fossil and disability seeing how people in the past (now) handled people with disabilities. Just do what you want in a situation like this. God doesnt have any rules against abandoning disabled kids who will ruin your life.

>>280741925
This. Every bad thing I did? It was just God plan. The guy I killed in road rage? Probably would die of cancer later anyway. It was destined that I kill him to avoid making him suffer later.

>>280741925
Do according to God's will
You don't get to do "whatever you want". Follow Jesus' example and have faith that God is cooking something good

>>280741971
Freewill

>discussion of God
>God is assumed to be Yahweh
Every time.

>>280741980
God's will is unknowable and Jesus' example doesn't cover things like caring for a severely disabled child. One person could say the right thing is to love the child as best you can no matter what. Another person could say the right thing is to give up the child to someone better equipped to care for them. Yet another person could say the right thing is to put the child out of its misery. You can cope that Jesus would NEVER do that no matter what but, to put it in /a/ terms, that's pure headcanon. We simply don't know what he would do in these extremely specific scenarios that he never encountered.

>>280742087
You are the parent
It's your flesh and blood and the new soul was hand delivered to you

It has a soul. Treat it as such

>>280741490
Because that's hot, retard

>>280742046
I mean, what else should they do? The only other 'God' that's maybe relevant is Brahman in Hindu theology and this place isn't filled with jeets but mostly westerners or Western adjucent like latinoids.

>>280741015 (OP)
>permanently disabled
Why not just put them down at that stage? What's the point of prolonging their suffering if there's no possibility or hope of improvement?

>>280742253
Hawking

>>280742266
Didn't Hawking start fine and then slowly declined?

>>280742285
Correct

>>280741882
Have you considered going to a children's hospital, finding the most fucked up kid that was born without limbs or something and sharing your wisdom with them - all that about how we are lowly creatures, not at all special, and you, sick little fucker, don't get to demand anything from Him. And He also loves you actually, and if you were born less wretched you'd get complacent and atheistic.
I somehow suspect that you are not nearly as hopelessly deranged for this and would rather bite your tongue out that spell out even the first few words of this speech irl.
You're just saying this because you're acting tough attempting to score points on the internet, and you can come up with absolutely nothing better.

>>280741679
>Honestly these kinds of mothers that want to treat their children as some kind of living dolls are in for a bad stuff once their kids go to puberty and they don't any longer act like precocious children.
You're wrong because they enter puberty with the IQ of a toddler. Then he's punching holes in the walls, and 40+ mom and sibs gets heemed by the autist with true retard strength. Anon you replied to is right; it's depressing af.

>>280742385
You sound unhinged, bro. He didn't say anything wrong.

>>280742385
I am not undermining anyone's struggles but let's be real. Every atheist is just a soft handed bitch

>>280742455
I merely placed a mirror in front of you. Not my fault if you don't like the reflection.

>>280741373
Kill themselves?

This thread doesn't seem to be talking about anime and manga much.

>ITT atheistcucks seething
In any case, how bad would a particular situation have to be for euthanasia to become a mercy?

>>280741108
>30 years
Don't worry, the heavily disabled die in their 20s max.

>>280741070
I follow Kurapika's example to know I'm taking the right course of action. He's the only god I need.

>>280742669
of natural causes right...?

>>280742723
>I follow Kurapika's example to know I'm taking the right course of action.
Revenge?

>>280741070
>>280741108
>>280741139

Miura's Berserk kind of answered this. People don't actually choose nothing because everything happens in the only way it could happen. Man has no control, even over his will.

>>280742385
Someone's manifesting

>>280741089
Love is violent, amoral and disgusting.
Otherwise it's a mere handshake.

Don't let feminists fool you into thinking that love is gentle. Love is never gentle, it's a torrent of impulse and emotion.

>>280742723
Is this after Kura spent the night before cruising the red light district for old men and money?
Why else do you think he has all those chains?

>>280741412
If god real why bad thing happen

>>280742852
This thread's about taking care of the lifelong disabled
>>280743124
And this is just BLASPHEMY

>>280743168
Apparently the internet agrees and we are still starved of good Kura lewds. I am outraged.

>draw Arcueid
>call it a boy

Why is Killua and Gon the ones that get all the shit? They look like fucking toddlers. It's weird.

>>280743069
Manifesting what into reality?

>>280741412
This but unironically. The three-pronged misconception of a benevolent, all-powerful AND all-knowing God is nonsense.
What's more reasonable is that God DOES exist but is either not all-knowing, or he's not as powerful as we think, or he's either insane or malicious.

>>280743069
What? A police record?

>>280741808
You would not say this if the autistic person in the video was a female you fucking faggot.

>>280743094
Love is not a feeling.
It is devotion. It's an act. A principle.

>>280743488
Bullshit.
You wouldn't know love if it crossed your fucking chest.

>>280743531
>You wouldn't know love if it crossed your fucking chest.
I would, since love gives the tingly feeling in your chest. Makes you go doki doki.

>>280743531
What you're describing is infatuation. Part of the reason why divorce rates are so high today is many people think the same way you do. Once the sparkly feelings and dopamine ebbs away and people think "this isn't fun anymore", they bounce. Love entails sacrifice. Its association with emotional states is almost incidental. You would realize this if you weren't so spoiled.

>>280743610
No, love ruins your wallet, leaves you hopelessly in debt and disappointed that the whore you married was a whore while she forks out the alimony every week from you.
That's true love, parasitic.

>>280743623
>Part of the reason why divorce rates are so high today is many people think the same way you do.
No part of the reason why divorce rates are so high is because they think like YOU do and think there is something more than the superficial feelings there for love. They believe in the cult hoodoo bullshit in order to keep them together and overcome the universe's inevitable attempt at making the two of them fucking hate each other and the boredom they get with each other.

If they respected their reality, they might just overcome divorce and just accept that their relationship won't always be the same and your brain is dumb. So is love frankly. It's just a meme to try and convince people that it's worth to mingle with each other outside of mere sexual feelings. That's horseshit. You are a fucking animal and that's that.

>>280743623
>Its association with emotional states is almost incidental.
What do you mean?

Would it be easier to stand by your waifu if she was a low-functioning autist from the get-go, or if she was fine at first but suffered a major brain injury that turned her into a borderline potato after you'd met?

>>280742617
I mean, if you want to talk about how weird the plot is of this show is, and how the grandfather cured her autism by putting a super computer with chatgpt in her head that allows her to predict the future, while a shadow organization tracks her down with the help of some super hacker meth kid. Or how rushed the time skip of the second half is. Then go right ahead.

The comedy is real funny though.

>>280743391
>>280743391
As agnostic I never saw the problem of evil as much of a problem. For theism generally (to which I'm not hostile to) it's not a problem either.
I can come up with any number of ways in which the evils we see can make sense within general theism.
To even attempt to scrutinize the way an infinitely wise being manages the universe borders on comedy.
Unfortunately for Christcucks, they have to defend a lot more specific God who's also supposed to be their emotional comfort figure, so the problem of evil mindbreaks them like nothing else
If God exists, I believe he finds this funny

>>280743884
I really like the main character in this too. Out of all the generic male self inserts, he's one of the better ones since he actually has a personality.

>>280743884
Not to mention the anime caused the real-life disappearance of Jun Maeda, before presumably a Japanese teen remembered the promise they'd made with Maeda-san as children and brought him back to life.

>>280743322
He's one of those rare characters who are too beautiful for porn
>Killua and Gon
I get the sense that people who lewd them aren't looking for androgyny

>>280744016
But his perfection is why he's hot.
Fallen angel syndrome.

>>280744005
Wait what? I assume it was because of the backlash. I heard this anime got a lot of flack when it first aired. I've only seen this anime recently. Hope he's ok.

>>280744005
>a Japanese teen remembered the promise they'd made with Maeda-san as children and brought him back to life.
Jun Maeda's like in his 40's. Why's he commingling with a teenager?

>>280744092
He was kidnapped by the former predatory shota through the bait of alt rock cds to their basement/dungeon for 10 years.

>>280742991
>Miura's Berserk kind of answered this.
As if a fucking faggot who wasted his life playing pedoshit ever "answered" anything. Eat shit, that lazy bum never even answered at the door bell.
>>280743709
You faggy 20-somethings all sound the same.

>>280744092
I can hang out with whoever I want you judgemental cunt

>>280744605
>that lazy bum never even answered at the door bell.
How do you know? Are you a delivery man?

>>280744605
>muh pedoshit
ok retard

>>280743391
You're doing the meme

>>280743144
Because free will retard

>>280744092
Jealous?

>>280741070
Retard

>>280745216
What meme

>>280745240
>beCauSE fREe wiLl reTARd

>>280745260
Yeah, I don't have any sacred promises with anyone.