Anime nowadays presupposes and revolves around sexual attraction to cartoon characters. That's why a somewhat functioning adult cannot enjoy it.

>>280757240 (OP)
Okay I'll bite. What is it about having a nijigen complex (complex for 2D characters) that precludes healthy functioning in society?
Are you stuck in the 90s or something? There are 20 year olds who were raised on Touhou because their otaku dads got them into the series.

interesting premise when animu has never been as sexless and sterile and censored as it is today, retard-kun

>>280757464
newfag

>Somewhat functioning adult
>Without sexual attraction to cartoon characters
>Miyazaki

>>280757240 (OP)
Good
Anime was never meant to be enjoyed by somewhat functioning adults

>>280757240 (OP)
>45 years too late.
You don't belong here normie.

>>280757240 (OP)
Is this satire?
Miyazaki's career is about how much he loves little girls.
He even said how much sexually charged his earliest works are, like the underwater kiss scene in Mirai Shounen Counan; Anno said, in a Nausicaa commentary, how he gave Nausicaa big boobs 'cause he likes his girls young but stacked.

>>280757240 (OP)
>[insert X-rated action here] is designed for kids and the REAL mature thing is [insert G-rated action here] for adults!
Tired right-wing take. You disingenuously gaslight people into thinking that sex is bad and immature in general because you don't want people liking it.

If sex was bad for you, then you wouldn't be hanging out in 18+ communities

>>280757456
Do you really have to ask? To answer would be a matter of where your ignorance lies and how oblivious you are due to normalization of deviance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance

>>280757240 (OP)
Miyazaki's anime revolve around his sexual attraction to his own cartoon characters.

>>280758051
You completely misunderstand the point and my stance. I don't believe sex is bad at all.

>>280758069
So you refuse to give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question?
Disappointing, but certainly not surprising.

>>280758069
Just answer the question. Not answering just points towards you not knowing the answer.

>>280758167
>>280758224
No, as I said, to answer it you'd have to tell me those things.

>>280757931
>>280758104
One reason why Miyazaki left Akage no Anne's production was because he could not stand Anne 'cause she was not at all close to his ideal of what a little girl should be; also, he was already bitching about it in Marco; he said
>I hate the fact that in Marco, for example, we had Marco and Fiolina run to each other but not embrace. Marco’s mother and Fiolina hug one another, so why shouldn’t Marco and Fiolina? While doing the layouts, I kept thinking that they should hold each other tightly, and it seemed even more suggestive to have them holding hands and staring into each other’s eyes. I didn’t want to stop them from moving, however, so I found myself with no choice but to make them hold hands and twirl about. […] Why not make a real love story?
Not only he's the biggest lolicon in the industry, he's a lolicon with very strict taste

>>280758104
This. He's projecting.

I don't know what group sent you here but we aren't bending like credit card payment processors did with Steam.

>>280757915
No shit. I came here solely to post this.

>>280757240 (OP)
He's right. Most anime are created to sell merch to lonely otaku.

>>280758282
The definition of what is "proper" and what is "deviant" is culturally defined to begin with. Since normalcy hinges entirely on the consensus, talking about a "normalization of deviance" makes little sense since normalization strips a behavior of its deviancy. This only makes sense if you take this phrase to mean, "my very specific idea of normalcy has been upended by my very specific idea of deviancy", or perhaps you're relying on the social mores of a bygone era in some appeal to tradition (stupid, but then again all Miyazaki posters are laughably gullible posting THAT guy and saying THOSE things about otaku). Again, I would understand you holding these views in the 90s and the 2000s, but a few things have changed:
-large swathes of otaku culture have globalized and can thus no longer be called deviant.
-atomization, rotten dating culture and widespread internet usage have created a situation where many otherwise normal men see 2D love as a viable alternative to traditional relationships.
Which brings me back to my question: what is it about loving a 2D character that prevents you from holding a job? Paying taxes? Showering? Even getting married and rearing children?
Those housewives selling doujinshi at Comiket, do you think for a second that being fujoshi or having a husband prevented them from functioning socially?

>>280758903
*having a husbando

>>280757240 (OP)
Just because some people only want to perceive this kind of thing doesn't mean it's the heart of a work.

>>280758903
>Those housewives selling doujinshi at Comiket, do you think for a second that being fujoshi or having a husband prevented them from functioning socially?
It’s different for women and you know it, anon. A woman could be downright autistic and she’d have no issues in this gynocentric society

>>280758903
The nuclear family is a deviancy from the vastly more complex structure of the extended family that dominated most cultures for most of history, for example

>>280759047
Alright, if that doesn't convince you then you have merely to look at Miyazaki himself, the hypocrite who in his maidenless youth fell head over heels for Bai Niang in the anime Hakujaden, to the point where he decided to become an animator. Would you say being a proto-otaku precluded him from forming relationships and pursuing a productive line of work?

>>280759047
The vast majority of serial killers are men and the vast majority of those men had mostly normal or even successful social life before or even while doing their crimes.

>>280757456
>What is it about having a nijigen complex (complex for 2D characters) that precludes healthy functioning in society?
>>280758739
Exactly.

>>280759176
Correct, it's a deviancy from whatever was commom a thousand years ago, but nobody who's talking sense today would call it deviant behavior. It's simply another mode of family organization, for good or for ill. Rather than cast aspersions on the social and mental functioning of people who partake in alternative relationships (which is what 2D love is in a sense), you'd be better off critiquing whatever broader trends set the stage for this behavior. Also, it is no measure of health to be functional in a sick society.

>>280757240 (OP)
>nowadays

>>280759366
>nobody who's talking sense today would call it deviant behavior
I would, because human consensus doesn't generate reality.

>>280758903
The OP says nothing about properness in society. It's much more simple than what you perceive it as.
>-large swathes of otaku culture have globalized and can thus no longer be called deviant.
Just missing what you already got called out on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance
Boiled frogs et cetera

>>280759599
>Ranma
>'80s
27 episodes out of 161 were made in 1989, everything else was well into the '90s

>>280757915
>coomer life revolves around sex
>normie life revolves around sex
You are not only a normie yourself, but a fucking retard to boot.

>>280758684
Then go back to wherever you come from, tourist!

>>280759616
>>280759700
>>280759326
Spamming that article and samefagging won't generate reality either.

>>280758903
You can be a serial killer and "function in society", have a family etc. That's not what I meant to say.
I guess you're so ingrained in it that either you don't see simple things or you see it and it's more a defense mechanism to deny and question.

>>280759616
>>280759700

>Vaughan defines the process where a clearly unsafe practice becomes considered normal if it does not immediately cause a catastrophe: "a long incubation period [before a final disaster] with early warning signs that were either misinterpreted, ignored or missed completely".
Okay, perfect. Now will one of you clowns tell me already: what is so dangerous, or catastrophic, or ominous about forming relationships with 2D characters? What part of this specifically prevents you from functioning within society? What attachments does it preclude? etc.
Why do you insist on avoiding the main point?

>>280759940
I plan to.

>>280759729
Are you retard or do you just want (you)'s?

>>280760129
A little bit of both

>>280760129
This is the 'retards baiting for (You)s thread', slowpoke.

Just nuke everything in a wide strip of planet covering the entire soith americas, africa, the ME, india, china and russia ajd all the problems go away.

Sorry if you live there.

>>280760030
Hypothetically, in and only in your framework, nothing.
Realistically supplanting human relationships can and does cause less people, less understood interactions with people, and a worsening social fabric.

Get over it.

>>280760194
>soith americas
>ajd
What does that have to do with anime and manga retard?

>>280760260
No, no, let him cook

>>280759987
Gotcha, faggot.
Your initial thesis:
>Anime nowadays presupposes and revolves around sexual attraction to cartoon characters. That's why a somewhat functioning adult cannot enjoy it.
After a little backpedaling...
>Anime revolves around attraction to cartoon characters. You can be a functioning adult and enjoy it, but
>Well,
>Well okay so frogs boil and so do people, okay? It's just deviant and weird, okay??

>>280757240 (OP)
OP wants us to be attracted to him instead, obviously. Gayest post of the day.

>>280760260
Its called typing on a phone and not giving a shit, retard.

>>280760194
They aren't supplanting human relationships. Most otaku were social outcast to begin with.

>>280760030
>>280760030
>what is so dangerous, or catastrophic, or ominous about forming relationships with 2D characters?
Escapism, social isolation, distorted perception of reality, hindering healthy lives and societies. If everyone was just obsessed with 2D characters it would lead to the end of humanity.

>>280760299
Your need to "get" and to insult really only shows that the argument struck you as true, otherwise you wouldn't care. Still that doesn't make it okay to act that way, emotional toddler.

>>280760371
You just described religion

>>280760194
The word "otaku" was coined when an idolfag journalist and his girlfriend observed a group of grown men talking loudly to each other at a cafe and going nuts over anime and manga characters. Notice that word there, "group"? Without the ability to form complex relationships with other fans, otaku culture would not be a thing to begin with.
>Realistically supplanting human relationships can and does cause less people, less understood interactions with people, and a worsening social fabric.
Blaming the symptom and not the cause, but I already pointed that out earlier and as expected your bitch ass said nothing about it. Late-stage capitalist rot, anomie and highly developed consumer culture/media apparatus set the stage for otaku to exist to begin with. I am once again disappointed but not surprised that you resort to the same old /pol/tard fallacies when confronted with the existence of a group which disgusts you.

While we're at it, riddle me this: the kind of person who would become an otaku in the first place is, I assume, dysgenic to you. Would you rather anime ceased to exist overnight so these men would be free to run rampant in society, or even worse spread their "bad genes" within the gene pool and contribute to societal decay?
>inb4 2Dfags weren't going to breed anyway
Then why the fuck do you care if they're not out there forming relationships and having children?

>>280760735
>2Dfags weren't going to breed anyway
This would only be said by a terminally online idiot who thinks that finding a hole to breed with is hard

>>280757240 (OP)
>nowadays

>>280760371
>escapism

Instead of blaming escapism, think about what they're escaping from

>social isolation

They were already socially isolated.

>>280760708
You just committed the tu quoque fallacy.

>>280757240 (OP)
>Anyways here's another cute little red haired girl

>>280760839
So you do admit it after all.

>>280760817
It is

People are having a harder and harder time finding friends, let alone a partner. I have a job and go out to socialize every day yet I'm still isolated.

>>280760866
That's not how the tu quoque fallacy works

>>280760916
And why do you think that is?

>>280760817
So now you concede that they can pay taxes, hold jobs, and even breed with women. What else are you going to concede before you realize that 2Dfags can be fulfill every criteria of the so-called functioning adult, all while social continues to get worse regardless?
It's almost as if they're not the real problem here and you're seeking scapegoats in order to justify your irrational disdain for anyone who isn't a cookie-cutter normalfaggot.

threads like this are what redwood and moot and his merry band of /co/mblr faggots wanted by the way
/a/ is thinly disguised as an anime/manga board but it's anything but

>>280760915
Anime can't cause a person to be socially isolated if they were already socially isolated to begin with. For most of them, that's why they became otaku in the first place. If a "normal" life was ever an option for them, they wouldn't be otaku.

>>280760929
Wrong

>>280760961
So now you concede that they can pay taxes, hold jobs, and even breed with women. What else are you going to concede before you realize that 2Dfags can fulfill every criteria that defines the so-called functioning adult, all while society continues to get degrade in spite of the fact?
It's almost as if they're not the real problem here and you're seeking scapegoats in order to justify your irrational disdain for anyone who isn't a cookie-cutter normalfaggot.

>>280760951
I live in a shithole with very few people my age. Reason I got into anime and video games is because I couldn't find any friends IRL

>>280761011
Since before anime existed? Even if they were never influenced by anime at first it could still keep them like that. And you admit there's a correlation.

>>280759954
I only posted the post with the laughing Yuujiro pic, you projecting faggot. You fucking waifufaggots are such pathetic scum. And lower your tone with me, we both know that earlier this week you were bawling your eyes out over your shitty life in that NHK thread.

>>280761051
>I live in a shithole
It's not only a thing where you live. It's a worldwide thing. Now think about why you think that is.

>>280761168
It is definitely because a few people fap to cartoon characters after a long day at work.

>>280761108
What makes you think otaku don't try to break out of the otaku lifestyle? Many do, but get rejected.

>>280761181
If you say so.

>>280761187
>the otaku lifestyle
There's no otaku lifestyle

>>280761168
Look man, I went outside every day after school and on the weekends growing up. I'd walk around, ride my bike, anything. There was nobody my age out doing stuff. Ever. So the day always ended with me back at home, playing video games or watching cartoons alone.

The media ain't the problem here, the problem is not having the people needed to do anything else.

>>280760704
Either tell me how this isn't backpedaling from your initial claims or, I don't know, go pound sand or something. You clearly aren't fit to carry out an honest debate.

>>280761282
Laughable

>>280761262
Okay so you grew up in a shitty place. That's a you problem though. Not really relevant in the big picture. I grew up riding bikes with friends.

>>280761304
How small is your dick?

>>280761134
>calling anyone else a projecting faggot
post your back for me yuujiro-kun

>>280761398
OK then, you don't have any problems finding people to socialize with. Not everyone is so lucky.

>>280761488
>actual homolust
Yikes I'm out, didn't think I was answering an actual faggot.

>>280761522
But it's not about luck except for when you're a young kid. Imagine making yourself that powerless.

>>280761582
i just want you to prove you aren't just hiding behind a strong face.

you did learn something from your time spent with baki, right?

>>280761655
>you did learn something from your time spent with baki, right?
Yeah, that Jack is for Elma

>>280761582
>>280761655
totally different anon that you were talking with earlier btw, your post just smelled so pathetic i needed to reply

>>280761655
>you did learn something from your time spent with baki, right?
Always read a chapter each day before training.
>>280762303
>your post just smelled so pathetic i needed to reply
Oh shut the fuck up.

>>280761622
It is absolutely about luck

You can't control who you meet or how they react when you approach them

>>280760735
I would reply to you in earnest, but you made a critical mistake which points out your lack of wisdom and thus, lack of perspective.

>i already pointed that out earlier
I aint reading the whole fucking thread gay ass nigga, and second assuming you did "point that out" and ASSUMING that you do understand what I said, you're a fucking retard for being unable to synthesize these points into a total understanding.

Mechanisms that reduce necessary human interaction ultimately reduce humans.
>symptom or cause
One and the fucking same.

You aint smart boy. Not by a long shot.

>>280762705
Symptoms and causes are most definitely not the same. It's hilarious you're going to such pains to call me an idiot while outing yourself as one.
I like how you did not address a single point even though you have been given numerous chances to do so.
I will be accepting your concession.
I will watch your bitch ass seethe.

>>280758283

He was a hypocrite that left only because he found out that anne grows up during the show.

>>280762493
Lol yes you can.

>>280763330
No you failed from the outset
>otaku was coined by some guy watching
>nerds in public
>together
>having actual social interaction

Where are we and what are we doing.
I'm yelling into an electric box, alone in a room, with a 20% chance of the posts I see being robot spew.
Your premise is incorrect, my assertion proves itself, you proved yourself wrong from that first sentence.

Get the fuck over it.

>>280757240 (OP)
>That's why a somewhat functioning adult cannot enjoy it
"Somewhat functioning" in what way? If you can't enjoy it, doesn't that mean you aren't functioning?

Looks like waifuchads won again.

>>280764956
You aren't seriously equating the disembodied and incendiary nature of anonymous forums to discourse between real people (and friends, at that).
You are a fucking moron.

>>280761134
Ok schizo.

>>280765186
Like your sex drive isn't badly malfunctioning.
Or like the way you perceive the world isn't underdeveloped.
If you enjoy that kind of anime or like you watch childrens shows then you're not functioning as you should.

>>280765250
Ok failure whatever you say. Dont go shooting up any schools or stabbing randos because I told you you're wrong.

>>280765401
>Like your sex drive isn't badly malfunctioning.
If you're jerking off, wouldn't that mean your sex drive is functioning perfectly fine?
>Or the way you perceive the world isn't underdeveloped
Wouldn't having these strange misconceptions about anime watchers mean your world view is the undeveloped one? It seems you have some kind of issue separating fiction from reality. I'm not sure how that could possibly make you "more developed" than anyone else.
>then you're not functioning as you should
If watching anime fills your head with doubts and guilt about living up to some sort of model function, then you really have some screws loose. Normal people don't think that way. I'm sorry you have some sort of weird chuuni complex about how you're supposed to grow up, it doesn't work that way in the real world.

>>280765250
>You are a fucking moron.
About everyone here is. The difference is that the rest of us don't need constantly state it.

280765409
>Ad hominem
I accept your concession.
>>280765511
There's clearly a hierarchy of morons here. If you want to be the king of this hill then be my guest.

>>280765504
>If you're jerking off, wouldn't that mean your sex drive is functioning perfectly fine?
Depends what you're fapping to.

>strange misconceptions about anime watchers
I'm probably wasting my time by asking, since you just made that up in your head without even attempting to specify, but such as what?

>If watching anime fills your head with doubts and guilt
...uh what? Making up weird shit again. You're not understanding what I'm saying.

This autism nigger really is the kind who took a 12 year old's iq test, online, got marginally above above-average, and thinks he can never be wrong.

>>280765638
>Depends what you're fapping to.
Not really, you implied that anime watchers' sex drives are malfunctioning. If they regularly jerk off, their sex drive is doing fine, maybe even stronger than the average person's. What you're implying doesn't make any sense.
>since you just made that up in your head without even attempting to specify, but such as what?
The strange misconceptions you posted in this reply here >>280765401 . Was that not clear to you?
>...uh what? Making up weird shit again. You're not understanding what I'm saying.
No, you're not understanding what I'm saying. You have some sort of weird judgy complex like a middle schooler (hence why I said chuuni complex) that can only come from being unable to separate fiction from reality. Do you think the anime girls are real? Do you think magic is real?

>>280762403
>>280762303
>>280761655
>>280761134
>>280759326

these dudes will spend part of every day trying to get stronger, training day in and day out because they KNOW they have to get somewhere better for themselves, and STILL have the nerve to turn around and jump at shadows calling other people weak

they're the same limpwristed, bullied faggots they always were. now they're just a little bigger

>>280765788
You're schizo or mentally ill to the degree that I can't really say anything purposeful. You still did not specify, which shows you lack basic communication skills.

>>280765717
Venting at nothing in particular again? Or did you forget how to use this forum?

>>280765926
>You're schizo or mentally ill to the degree that I can't really say anything purposeful.
If you can't say anything purposeful, I suppose that means your worldview isn't as developed as mine. I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope you are able to study hard and one day grow as a person.
>You still did not specify, which shows you lack basic communication skills.
You asked what I meant by your "strange misconceptions". I directed you to your post, where you made the strange misconceptions. Is English your first language? I find it hard to believe that someone who tries to act like they're more "developed" than others could misunderstand something so simple without a language barrier.

>>280765553
Nigger you lack the functional capacity to keep a 10 post conversation in your head and have the ideas linked together. You're wrong, you contradict yourself, you omit your own talking points, you forget the entire foundational premise of your own words, and I can't waste my time explaining it all in absolute detail.

You are dumb as fuck, your shitbrain idea about the topic is incorrect, and you can just fuck off or kill yourself.
Ok?
Ok.

>>280766109
Symptoms and causes are not the same.

>>280766170
Are you a special needs child?

>>280766190
You're given another opening to directly address the point and you dodge instead. Wonderful

>>280766253
Can't even handle a simple yes or no question. You keep digging this hole deeper while everyone watches.

>>280766020
>I suppose that means your worldview isn't as developed as mine
That's because you're a retard.

>I directed you to your post
Exactly why you're a retard. What did you think you'd accomplish by making me read something I've written myself? How low is your IQ? Nothing you say makes any sense. Autism

>>280766267
I am digging you a new asshole, yes.
It is frightening how badly you want to be embarrassed on an anonymous imageboard. Like goddamn.

>>280766281
>That's because you're a retard.
Looks like it will be an even bigger uphill battle for you than I thought. I really do pity you anon, maybe in 10 or 20 years you'll have matured enough to appreciate art.
>What did you think you'd accomplish by making me read something I've written myself? How low is your IQ? Nothing you say makes any sense. Autism
This says a whole lot more about you than it does me. Legitimately, I cannot imagine living with the burden that you have - it must be painful for you to navigate the world. My fullest sympathies.

>>280766356
This time you said absolutely nothing. Well done, retard.

Everyone can see that you're just making shit up, special needs child.
Real life isn't a high school diss contest.
When I point out your failure, your poor character, and your lack of maturity it's because I have simply stopped talking and am only insulting you.
You're fucking stupid, you feed your head on your own imagined bullshit.

Also newsflash I've been multiposting the entire time. It's all been me.
Dumbass.

>>280766432
>This time you said absolutely nothing. Well done, retard.
Actually, if you read my post, I am mocking you for supposedly having such a "developed worldview", yet failing to understand even the most simple arguments. You are a chuunibyou. Very immature and embarrassing. Like I said, I really do pity you and I hope it gets better for you one day.

Did you get sand in your vagina or something
Friend, for jesus's sake, this isn't healthy. Go do yoga or some shit. You clearly don't belong here.

>>280766541
Careful, anon, OP is going to start sperging about how he doesn't need Jesus to have a moral compass now

There he goes make-believing some dumbass shit and just running with it. Wants to talk about unhealthy, that's the definition of delusional.

>>280766539
>I am mocking you
No, you're only mocking yourself. lol
Also I don't care about toddlers who say nothing but ego talk. That's literally all you're saying at this point, that's your level, which is why you're mocking yourself. That you actually think it would have any effect on me is funny though.

>>280766647
So are you special needs or what? You still haven't answered that question despite it being a simple yes or no. There's no shame in it mind you.

>>280766647
No, once again, you seem to have a misunderstanding. Like I said, you seem to have great difficulty comprehending things - I will try and break it down for you as simply as possible.

When I wrote that post, I replied to your post. That means I was talking to you. The content of my post was directed at you, specifically to mock you. I was not "mocking myself", I was mocking you. Is that so hard to understand? I'm not sure I can simplify it any further for you. Maybe I need to put it into a Rick & Morty format.

>>280766576
It is amazing what lengths some people will go to in order to make retarded claims in peace.
OP sounds like he's never been in an argument that he didn't solve without violence in his life.

>>280766845
It's not op.

>>280766749
Autist, the only one who doesn't understand here is you. You're making a mockery out of yourself. Nobody cares about your fragile little ego posts. Post something on topic or gtfo.

>>280767014
>Nobody cares
I’m sure you came to this conclusion based on your superior functioning world view, right? Kek.

>>280767061
Yes, everyone is superior to you.

>>280766877
Then who is it?

>>280757240 (OP)
He's a lolicon, let that sink in retard

>>280767088
Are you sure?

>>280767131
Should I finally watch Zettai Karen children?

>>280767212
Yes

>>280757240 (OP)
according to this post, the number of functioning adults has reached below 50% level

>>280767301
This better not be another Talmudic time wasting trick...you did this to me when you said Gatchaman Crowds was worth a watch too

>>280767401
It's lower than that. Look at India.

>>280766845
Not sure what this guy >>280766877 means by this because my first post was directed at the OP. If he really hijacked my question just to sperg out at me like this, that's even more pathetic. I'm 99% sure it's OP shooting his autistic beam lasers at me for directly refuting his posts

>>280757240 (OP)
Shut up nerd.

It took me zero effort to get a sperg all self confused. I do wonder what his dreams are going to look like for the next week.

>>280766356
based

>>280757240 (OP)
they hated him for saying the truth