Thread 280811194

How would you avoid getting raped in isekai?

>>280811194 (OP)
Thats super sexy, is this just a gag or does it really happen?

I am not into capeshit, but this spiderman fanfiction is surprisingly enjoyable
femmc is cute and her internal suffering is hot
fight scenes are engaging
still, jap who wrote it is so out of touch with American reality, it comes off as a fantasy world

>>280811194 (OP)
Doesn't this just never happen in the actual manga?

>>280811194 (OP)
Avoid?

>>280811194 (OP)
By avoiding elfs at any cost.

https://youtu.be/ceqtf56Pm1w
Holy shit, this is the first OP/ED I heard that is truly a scream from the very soul

>>280811562
Tell me more about this.

>>280811194 (OP)
GB isekai with MC (just wants to slow life) is forced to make herself a harem since everyone wants to be with her
Villainess makes Prince break off their engagement so she can be with MC while Heroine tries the same ect...
girls turn into futa to give MC pleasure

now that the dust has settled, can we admit that GB ruined these threads?

>>280811562
Looks cute, what's the sourcw anon?

>>280812154
see
>>280790432

>>280812209
Source? Sounds hot

>>280812269
GB-obsession is still less bad than when the only topic was NTR.

>>280810676
kenja no mago

>>280812295
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/redcap-i-got-reincarnated-as-a-villainous-girl-in-the-marvel-universe/

>>280811351
>>280811612
Yeah, the MC wins all his matches against the other women, although one of them is a former man, so there's that.

That former man did get a short extra showing this though

>>280812549
The next match will feature her, so maybe one of the opponents will be GB'd too

>>280811194 (OP)
>futa femdom
you are brown

>>280811351
The MC got a female design for April Fools, maybe it will happen

>>280811194 (OP)
I'd drain every man in the vicinity except my CF dry before they even got the chance

>>280811194 (OP)
This is anti spanking schizo’s worst nightmare of a manga

MC has already genderbended himself into a woman and let him/herself get killed as part of a convoluted plan.
It worked.

>>280811351
>he wants to take it up the ass
you are fucking GAY

>GB
based
>Futa
cringe

GB futa is just straight sex

>>280811194 (OP)
i would do the rape first

>MC's CF sticks by him and supports him despite everyone else betraying while he grows stronger
>because she is really the demon lord and spotted his potential for her own designs

>>280812961
This is bad because???

>>280812475
>>280811562
>GB
What's the "lost to the dick" status?
Or is the love interest a girl?

>>280812961
Does this counts as CF betrays? Not sure if she wants him by her side as an equal/right hand man. Or just wants to use him as a tool?
In any case sounds cool, what series is it?

>>280813054
>What's the "lost to the dick" status?
Total defeat. Big Spider Cock fucks the villain out of her.

>>280812336
meant need isekai with that setting
pic is from other GB isekai that really needs anime

>>280811194 (OP)
would it really be that bad to be raped by a hot Futa?

>>280812691
spank schizo…

>>280811194 (OP)
>man rapes woman... BAD!
>woman rapes man... GOOD!
>woman rapes woman... ALSO GOOD!

>>280812269
I wish gb_enjoyer would go back to namefagging because itll make it easier to avoid his faggot posts

>>280812817
>gaybending is based but futa is cringe
>aka im gay enough for gaybending but gaybending with a futa dick is way too gay for me

>>280812983
Yeah, would be based if she poisoned him with hate and turn him against humanity that way.

>>280813134
Are the +18 chapters also translated or easily available?
I remember in a villainess thread someone had shared a simmilar case with a female Malfoy fic written I think by the same guy than Omniscient Readers Viewpoint, but the porn chapters were locked behind a paywall

>>280814568
Translate them yourself
Gemini api is free

>>280813930
Yes.

>>280813731
>man rapes woman... BAD!
Nobody says this
Rape is always good.

>>280813832
It's weird, anon, but I feel exactly the same.
I can recognize I'm bi and find femenine guys hot, but the idea of women with dicks just turn me off completely

>>280814616
Gemini API shits itself if you feed it anything vaguely problematic

>>280814568
I was doing that with the Malfoy fic, anon.
But the +18 chapters there were paywalled and you needed a phone from asia ro even open the account.
Do you have the link of the +18 chapters of the spiderman fic?

>>280814834
jb?

>>280814773
Even when it involves used goods?

>>280811194 (OP)
>avoid getting raped
Why would I want that?

>>280814993
Acceptable if the used goods are doing the raping

>>280814900
r18 afterstory:
https://syosetu.org/novel/315633/

>>280814773
>Rape is always good
Many are saying this.

I wasn't expecting some of the changes made in this manga.

I don't really care about subhumans

>>280816045
I wonder who is behind this post?

>>280816045
Noticed you didn't say that about rape

You can't read this and tell me it's not fujo-coded.

>>280815969
What was she like in the WN? Normally, I'm not that into beastgirls but she's cute.

>MC, prior to recovering her memories of her past life, literally assembled a group of beautiful noble ladies whose faces caught her fancy to serve as her personal “””knight’s order”””
>nomance tag
????????

>>280816516
I think he's referring to the art changes like her face and nips.

>>280816531
>faces caught her fancy
Doesn't have to be sexual...

>>280816045
Earthbros...

>>280816588
It's that. There are a few pages that get those added through clothes or soap removed.

>>280811194 (OP)
So basically, male always dominates..

>>280816531
More and more sites have started to take away the romance tag from series that don’t have a confirmed romance and instead only have crushes on each other.

>>280814773
>Rape is always good.
50% of all involved parties enjoy rape.

>>280815068
Because the example in the op is you getting fucked by a big fat futa cock.
That’s pretty gay. It’s something that you should avoid.

I love korean otomeslop

>>280816709
This is the fetish-driven/sex-obsessed/porn addict general. EVERYTHING has to be sexual.

>>280816850
Means more people have started calling out romancebaiting for what it is.

>>280816875
*100%

>>280811194 (OP)
Did someone already fuck the girl on the top panel? That's the whole reason I was reading but I've already lost interest

>>280816990
I don’t like the Duke of the North

>>280816990
does it have sex?

>>280816495
Kim Suho is Kim Hajin's son.

>>280815993
Where are this version? Neither watermark has it.

>>280817234
spoiler this pls

>>280816495
I dont read korean

>>280817158
>Duke of North bad... because he doesn't fuck the lively southern lass!

>>280816990
Make your own thread

>>280817021
Correct all art is just an excuse for the creator to put their fetish into things

>>280817261
He's not actually his son. It's just that Hajin treats Suho as if he were his son.

>>280818046
No, this is the thread for that content.

>MC betrayed and swears revenge
>system regresses to starting point before betrayal
What's the point of that?
Do your vengeance after the act when they think they've won, not before.

>>280817912
Imagine having sex with her, you laying on top of her pumping and whenever you look her in the eyes she looks back at you as if she's so disappointed in your mediocre performance she's about to die. And yet she only looks at you like that because she can't help it not because she has anything against you.
...........I want to experience that.

>>280818446
I'm sorry anon, you'll only be able to experience regular disappointment

Just finished the Tower of KINO.
>Yeonha finally divulges the truth behind Hajin killing Nayun's brother, about the Devil seed, and how her grandfather and Yeonha's father are the reason Hajin became an orphan
>Nayun cries after learning all this
>Yeonha drops the bomb that Hajin was killed and showed her the drone footage of Hajin being sliced in half by a mantis
>Nayun fucking loses it
>Starts screaming at Yeonha and pulls her own hair out and starts berating herself
>Regretkino + Sufferkino intensifies for both of them
>Yeonha passes out while Nayun continues screaming
>"A frown spread across Yoo Yeonha’s face amidst the nightmare."
>"However, Kim Hajin didn’t intend to let her suffer any longer."
>Suddenly, Hajin appears to Yeonha in her mind and ends her Sufferkino
>But continues to let Nayun suffer
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA I fucking spat out my water when I read this part. Man really let Nayun continue to suffer.
Anyways I am now moving on the Monster King/Africa arc. Aside from TND, what am I in for?

>>280816717
>on indefinite hiatus
fml

>first chapter
>a wall of litrpg garbage writer is going to forget about several chapters in
mmm, absolute slopium, yummy

>>280811316
tfw no meatvision
tfw no saya gf

This GB three kingdom fanfiction has no business being as good as it is
Legit better than 90% kingdom building slop and alt history/historysekai out there

>>280818899
last few translated chapters make no sense did pages get cut? or is this a flashback?

Any isekai where a celestial body is about to bring an end to the world?

>>280818705
Been there done that many times.

>>280811194 (OP)
>avoid
???

>>280811194 (OP)
Avoid girls who are too proactive to get you

>>280819514
Digimon

>>280819662
good advice even outside of isekai

>>280819662
Don't avoid them too long or for the wrong reasons.

Fucking finally

oh no no no... Nayunfags???

>>280818910
>second chapter
>mc is level >100
>infinite amount of storage obtained
perfect
where is my adventure guild

>>280820294
Phahahaha, fuck me.
>The beginning of chapter three
took 'em long enough to appear, guild jobbers, love 'em

>wake up
>skim thread
>gayshit spam
>wake down

>>280820544
>wake up
>your are a silver haired loli with red eyes
What to do?

>>280820544
This but also anti-jp korean spam

>impending betrayal
>regular jap MC: aboohoohoo uwaaaah or [say nothing]
>based rapist MC:

>>280820633
Source?

>>280820633
Dont get your hopes up, nothing happens for a while until she develops a cuckquean fetish and he gets an evil girl sex slave and then i lost interest and dropped it when it got to the next evil girl

>>280819662
It's not her fault, it's her mom's rapist genes in play. Later in the story rape heroine's mom drugs the MC and has him rape her younger daughter.
This family's bloodline is full of rape.

>>280818851
did you know that THERE ARE VILLAGES IN AFRICA???!?

>>280820600
whats the difference when 90% of the gayshit is gook?

>>280820699
You can find the source if you use lens

>>280820633
>virtual menu molestation
boring

Oh wow, Anna's half-french.

Do any of you /a/nons use a phone translator app to translate these? If so, which ones? Kinda getting tired of translators paywalling chapters.

>>280820996
lens is the best OCR on phone but the TLs are dogshit

Why are elves so lewd?

>>280821204
>shota
mommy issues fetish

>>280821204
How to save shota MCs from cradle robbing hag elves?

>>280821430
You can't, once they spot a shota it's over, they will run and jump to claim him at the speed of light.

>>280813134
I sleep.

>>280820974
Maybe her family is going to grow some more in the future.

>MC used [Anti-NTR character sheet edit]
>Princess: Tch.

>>280821059
What's the best on PC?

>>280811562
>at the climax the bomb next to her heart finally gets triggered
>not even genius surgeon and literal time reversing sorcerer can save her despite his best efforts
>because the actual devil has stolen her soul
>and when Strange tells him this Spider-Man swears to get her back no matter what anyway
if this shit is truly going to go down the route of referencing fucking One More Day then the author is certainly spideycore enough to know exactly how to troll her readers

>>280811562
>still, jap who wrote it is so out of touch with American reality, it comes off as a fantasy world
Is that really so different from Marvel Comics themselves? During that X-Men's Krakoa era, an embassy for Limbo (IIRC) was opened.

>>280821852
>Two More Days

>>280821204
Source on this slutty elf? Lens cucked me.

>>280821204
>NTR
picked up

ok, the higher ranks of the ascetic path in Dorothy is fucking OP

>transfer damage from the physical body to the soul to tank a shitload of damage
>can automatically reflect damage, or auto-attack those with harmful intent
>have AOE taunt
>have super radar with the range of 10km

no wonder the radiance church dabs on all the cults

>>280821696
Is he going to forgive her because her isekaijin racism wasn't her fault?

>>280811194 (OP)
I want shota x loli sex in isekai

>get betrayed
>immediately go for the mind control

>>280821867
it's not about political reality, it's just about general culture and mindset. For example something as basic as JP style confession vs anglo style asking somebody out

>>280822514
H-Hot, name?

>>280822556
https://mangadex.org/title/008fa5d0-87f1-48ef-be5f-398b76d09d7d

>>280810556
>Almost every MC this dude writes is some flavor of too good for this sinful earth saintly do-gooder whose main character flaw is not valuing themselves enough.
isn't this just I Am Back, I Don't Want to Be a Villainess (at least towards Sara), Final Subjugation Target, and Atheist Saintess? Aside from notKiseki I don't think it applies to Meguca Sixth Ranger, Shoelacer Regretslop Heroine or CF of the Villainess at least. I haven't read Academy Saintess or Starting Again as a Maid so can't comment on those two.

>>280821916
I put the name in the filename
>>280821961
Well...they never had sex before as per chapter 2, maybe it was one of those political marriages, or he disappeared for years, I wouldn't really call it NTR, gotta see the context....maybe next month.

CF... BETRAY!

>>280822461
I can only think of "My Ideal Life in Another World" which was a doujin that got a (still lewd Manga) and even a fan edit that mixes the two, but both of them are various chapters behind.

This unironically reminded me of the anon sucks dick and they're laughing the whole time because it's just a prank bro pasta.

Honestly given how far revenge MCs go at times, it seems like it was the correct choice to kick them out of the party if doing so is what turns them into murder hobos.

>>280822967
Most of the time the hero goes insane/evil/murderhobo after kicking the shoelacer out and getting dabbed on by goblins though
Most shoelacers are too busy becoming successful and popular and having adventures with Protagonists Onaholes to end up as revengefags

>page 1: MC betrayed and kicked out of party
>every moment for rest of story is everyone from party trying to get him alone for sexy times
How you gonna just blueball betrayalkino like that

>>280823267
>Sacrificing himself to make the isekaijin grow a pair of balls
An SSSSS+ rank hero through and through...

Being kicked out is the best thing that can happen to a MC.

>>280823611
>kicked from the party by dick ass wizard that wants to fuck your autistic sister
>acquire slow life and cute tsundere wife

>>280823677
The sister needed a place saved for her too.

>>280823611
Best ones are where they get a dragon girl

>mc was girl coded in his previous life
I feel like I am reading writer's autobiography, kek.

Please give me a jap isekai that isnt a dragon quest fanfic

>>280811194 (OP)
Name one wrong thing about wanting slow life

>>280824278
>mc just rolls with it after several paragraphs of text
amazing character writing
thrilling even

>>280824401
Nothing in a vacuum.
Everything If I have to witness it.

Having a 6th sense means breaking out in hives? That sucks! I've had hives before and it's really uncomfortable. I don't want to feel that shit whilst also knowing that danger could be very close.

>>280822668
The file name doesn't appear on phone anon, it just says spoiler image. Anyway thanks.

>>280825207
you have to expand the thumbnail

>>280822531
Ah, they do that all the time. Overall people are too used to their own culture and will add parts, if not the entire thing, of said culture when writing about another country.

>>280811194 (OP)
Futa is too lewd to be included in any meaningful way in non-pornographic works. Repeatedly hearing about a futa character's dick gets old fast when you know that you are never going to actually see it.

>>280823868
Betray dragons, get dragon maid.

Jesus. This is one of the worst plot devices I have seen in my life. Does the author even realize how many issues it would cause down the line?

Ignore dragons. Get summons instead.

Is rice really delicious

>touching food with hands
Is she indian

>>280826781
>no dragon summon because it would completely mog every other summon

>>280826873
Westerners can eat hand made sandwiches with their hands so why is this a problem?

>>280825771
I did

>>280826954
There aren't images of all the ones he gets later.

>>280824434
>gaybending
>gookshit
*vomits*

>>280826781
What is Summon IS Dragon?

>>280826981
Westerns created untensils to eat with grace.

>>280826781
I can’t believe his one dragon summon managed to make it this far in the story without getting permanently ranked up into a cute dragon girl

>>280826981
The civilized ones use paper/tissue to hold em

>>280826839
it's good with fried eggs

>>280827060
Some things take longer than they should.

>>280826873
>freckles witch
sex

>>280826873
>fr*ckles
disgusting

>go too far larping as a resurrected ancient religion
>get targeted by all the major mystical organizations for divination
>attracted the attention of a bunch of ancient beings
looks like Dorothy finally fucked around and found out

>>280826781
sex with summons

>>280826781
Variety is good.

>>280820747
Hot

>>280827498
long limbs are long.

>>280827429
>TS Kannazuki
Wait what

>>280827498
>was trying to betray MC just yesterday

>>280827656
All kinds of things exist due to the dungeons.

>Black hair... GOOD!
>As along as she's a good woman

>>280827909
Strong need for brocon onee-chan with long black hair

>>280827052
Byzantines*
Western barbarians wouldn't adopt them until later.

>>280827909
And this is an evil woman

>>280812817
HOLY BASED AND AGREED

>>280827410
Hopefully lots of sex with summons.
>>280827429
That one's a lot easier to read.

>>280824278
source?

>>280828334
She looks like she betrays

>>280827498
>First girl’s ability is literally just to steal the MCs skill points by having sex with him, and she’s just using him
Why would anyone accept this awful woman?

>black hair
>good
Oh no.

>>280828334
It's still unedited MTL.
>>280828368
She's very loyal.

the people i tricked into reading this gaybending monoslop
did you rike it

>>280828662
I heard of this before you shilled it here and I dropped it after like 10 chapters because it felt too gay for me

>>280827847
Haven't read that far but I knew teacher was a weirdo.

>>280828662
Isn’t shapeshifting like a basic cultivation ability?
Why wouldn’t they just turn back into a guy when out of public?

>>280828662
it's been quite fun so far. i'm only up to ch32, though

holy moly she's cute

>>280828773
>Literally pumped and dumped
Anon...

>>280828773
MC dropped her because he is a faggot.

>>280820263
Nayun just cant stop catching Ls LMAO. She truly only does exist to suffer, nothing more and nothing less.

Finally finished reading all the free chapters of Speedrun Manual of Miss Witch. It was a fun read. Whichever anon mentioned it here a few days ago, thanks.

>>280828893
now read Dorothy's Forbidden Grimoire

>>280828930
That one sucks. I already read a few hundred chapters of it.

>>280828949
I'm fine with most wish fufillment powerfantasy stories, but this one is a little bit too much for me

>>280828888
>>280828797
shouldn't have expected different
isekai MC's have higher standards and she wasn't a virgin and gave it up after talking to him for like 1 hour

>>280829017
Is it wish fulfillment power fantasy when the MC is the most retarded character in the story?

>>280829021
More MCs should be like that with the first inn girl they find.

>>280829042
yes, because the world bends to her will so her retardation doesn't matter

>not isekai turns into native isekai
172 chapters in, is that a new record?

>>280829061
More like the world bends to the bad guys' will since if I remember right, didn't the evil royal family guy get basically everything he wanted?

>>280811562
the trick to enjoying capeshit stories and daydreams is to utterly dispense with their formula desu
Don't ever use the capeslop formula. Use a japanese one. Use japanese cutscenes in games. Use japanese "BAKANA MASAKA" paneling when they discover the hero can win. Use japanese idioms and ways of advancing scenes. que up japanese game or anime music. Imagine every character as though they had a japanese voice actor.

Japan does this same shit with music btw. they make every kind of music genre imaginable and just sprinkle in some 80s MSG and it works.
>>280821867
>>280811562
You can make it fantasy, just make sure the sickness of society is embodied in over the top characters.

>>280828949
>>280828997
>FeMC lost to human cock in the end

>>280829176
looks like I was right to drop it

>used goods gets pumped & dumped
need more isekai with this example
it's thoroughly satisfying to watch

>>280829176
The evil royal family gets exactly what they wanted because MC is a retard.

>>280827909
>Slit eyes
>Good woman

>>280812601
Nah Reincarnation Colosseum is actually kino in concept and not just muh "futadom" shit, the baseline idea is that you are summoned to the other world's arena to fight in games where you get to fuck the loser, yes if you have a female opponent who wins they get to grow a working dick and you get turned into a woman if you are a man and get fucked. You also get a random skill so its really a skill issue if you lose, the MC is a souls player who t-poses around, shit's gold.

>CF has engaged in a decades long plan to have the mc recieve status on par with her own family just so she can marry him
>all of the mc's problems with finding a suitable partner are because she relentlessly cockblocks him behind the scenes
kinda based but also kinda fucked

>>280829262
> shit's gold.
for like 4 fights, then it becomes a boring slog because the author clearly ran out of ideas

>>280829368
He should've learned from the best and taken a Hiatus for a few months before continuing or introduced a side character/jobber for slog fights like martial arts manga do it (Kengan Ashura/DBZ/Naruto) to make them more interesting and character driven, maybe allow more development of the world surrounding the arena.

Saintesses don't poop right?

>>280827691
he should have just enjoyed the femdom sexo

>>280829512
Why not just have underwear with purify enchantment and sweat resistance if you are bloody rich?
> Shit and pee just disappear/get cleansed even if you are moving around.
> Always comfortable underwear to train and sweat in.
Sounds like you could make millions just by inventing the formula for that and selling it to noble ladies.

>>280829100
I mean I unironically enjoy Invincible even though it's too full of NTRshit to even be remotely Japanese

>Evil ghost tits not nerfed
Good

>>280829021
>>280829047
Faggots, she deserved to win.

Does anyone have a list of kicked from hero's party stuff? I enjoy seeing the hero's party eat shit.

>>280829832
Shut the fuck up, tavern/inn wenches are for cumdumps if we go by western standards on fantasy so there was nothing wrong what he did lol.

>>280829832
She would have been more fun than Primula around.

>>280829802
please don't be shota...

>>280829871
>if we go by western standards on fantasy

>>280829871
Why the fuck would we go by western standards? Do you know where you are?

>>280829917
> Losing girl is a cumdump.
DESERVED.

>>280828688
How can penis in vagina for the purpose of procreation be gay?
>>280828770
Forced genderbending is imposed by some super cultivator corrupting the heavens
>>280828893
You’re welcome

>>280829917
>shart rail reaction image

>>280829995
if you want me to post more anime girls laughing at you, just say so

>>280827909
that dumb expression reminds me of this dog

>>280829802
nice cant wait

>>280830032
tim I promise I will download EGS, just stop chewing my remotes

>>280812066
Amnesiac cheeky brat, needs some rape memory correction!

>>280829832
wasn't it a harem? nobody "won"

>>280811194 (OP)
>if a man loses he's gender swapped into a hot chick and fucked
>if a woman wins she grows a 8 inches futa cock and fucks the loser
Why aren't women simply turned into men?
What kind of retarded porn logic is this?

>>280812066
>>280830093
sauce? nothing in saucenao or yandex or google

>>280830093
>>280812066
Greatest correction love story ever told

>>280830105
It's a harem but MC doesn't get everyone to himself. Some have a more official status, some are one time or only get to be part of it occasionally. Some have to wait longer than others.

>>280830119
because this way you get women on women and men on women, which is what men (the readers) want to see

it's not real anon, try to suspend your disbelief a bit you colossal autist

>>280830185
the beast girls really don't appeal to me
too furry at this point

>>280830119
You are overthinking. This is an obvious coom series written for the sake of coom.

Woman on woman is hot especially when they compete in bed to be the first to take cock.

>>280830350
in-harem yuri schizo...

>>280830350
in-harem yuri CHAD

>>280829832
Reminds me of hentai manga where Inn Keeper Childhood friend of the S class hero mentions that she should settle down soon and get a husband, and the S rank Male Childhood friend loses his shit and rapes her

>>280830559
that one is especially funny because the artist is a woman

>>280826781
>>280826954
>>280827050
But I want dragons

>>280811194 (OP)
Easy, remove all the holes that can be used for rape.

>>280830627
>handhold rape
>headpat rape
>cuddle rape
>thigh rape
>naizuri rape
>kissrape

>>280828662
I read the first book, ans I think I lost track of the plot in the end because it starts doing twist reveals and I couldnt keep track of all the characters and names. Took a break and tried to get back into book 2 but I'm not into the birb stuff

Main thing is that I wish there was more actual genderbending of characters after beating them, there is way less of it then the premise would suggest. The selection exam thing that was the initial plot hook but took forever to reach was disappointing in terms of how it turned out, I was expecting a tourney elimination arc, not the weird venom thing. The premise of advancing up the cult ranks was pretty quickly dropped, like we were promised early on a duel between MC and the initial asshole, and I assume it will happen eventually, but it's been so long. There was that asshole king who got turned into a loli and cucked by his son, I want more of that

The MC being in a dumb love triangle with himself and his sockpuppets which is the actual focus of the series is funny but got repetitive. The stuff in your pic's summary that drew me in is not really the focus of the series, at least in the first book which is like 300 chapters? I'll let more chapters be published before reading more of it. If you could tell me which future MC's rapechad senior brother gets genderbent and fucked, I'd appreciate it. Succubus friend and the childhood cuckquean were probably my favorite part.

>>280830618
Where are the horns? tail? wings?

>>280830745
>naizuri rape

>>280830559
>>280830590
Source?
Does he mind break her?
She deserves it for trying to betray him.
Childhood friends belong to their childhood friend.
Rape correction is required if they step out of line.

>>280830847
that's a lolicon posing as a dragonfag

still have yet to see 1 loli given a good pounding in an isekai series

so disappointed

>>280830893
loli dragons are the best kind of dragon

>>280830925
It's extremely tragic, the lolis have to grow up before getting bred by MC

>>280830963
Flat Goddess > dragonloli

>>280812649
>MC is just male Tomoko
>genderbent MC is just Tomoko with tits

>>280831053
>get reincarnated
>get a useless flat goddess
if that happened to me her nipples would never be unmolested for longer than a couple hours.

generic isekai but the MC can't have sex because he's a priest and the goddess will revoke his access to miracles if he becomes used goods

>>280831053
Flat goddess is good but loli dragon still clears

>>280831043
In most kinds of series that's expected. Avoiding that shouldn't mean getting MCs who act like that so early. They also shouldn't have to be unaware of the possibility until much later when they are all older and someone suggests it to him.

>>280830847
Idunn has all three if she manifests them. But she's not a loli but a mother.

man I wish I remembered this one isekai series I read that I really liked, he was also a merchant type and it was a harem or soft-harem

he had some cabin by the lake or something and people kept visiting him because he fixed problems from his online store power or whatever, even a queen or duchess of a kingdom/dukedom visited him and had intentions to fuck him and even bathed in his cabin as well

could never remember the series

>>280830893
>>280830963
>>280831118
Is a goddess willing to clean up your room? These dragon lolis will.

>>280831327
finally an mc with a cool design and not a generic black-haired japo

>>280831308
Around 40 Otoko no Isekai Tsuuhan

There's something really hot about a otome that rapes and bully the femc

>>280831386
It's a doujin (non-sex) of Robin (both sexes) and dragon lolis from Fire Emblem.

>>280831425
Have you not heard about the CHAD MASATO? From the same creators as Diabolik Lovers?

>lolibrats for the men
>Yandere rapists for the women
Basic ass taste

>>280831427
liking that art a lot

>>280831475
Has Robin sexo.

>>280830159
This is going to be a tragic C-section lol
Might not even live

>>280831460
Same guy that puts here in teh cage?

>>280831533
That's Toma from Amnesia.
Here comes the CHAD MASATO.
>this chad known as Masato has boner for "consoling" his sister (mc)
>he developed that boner after watching his dad repeatedly rape his sister (mc) and he always consoled her after that in order to satisfy his fetish
>one day he takes his sister mc to the beach with his friend
>his friend rapes mc which results in Masato killing his friend
>he also blames getting raped on his sister and decides to "purify" her by...raping her himself
>this trauma causes mc to lose memories and Masato uses this opportunity to act like "sweet" brother while actively HIRING people to torment his sister so he can "console" her
>in his route (which is the true route by the way) he kills mc's mother and all of her friends and rapes her in front of their fucking corpses
>she still marries him in the end despite all that kek

>>280830185
I'm mad the manga ended before he boned Lilith

>>280828662
>MC literally role-plays both the cuck husband and the cheating kitsune wife at the same time to guilt-trip his best friend
>...and then his dick falls off.
Funniest shit I read in a while. But it got repetitive pretty quick.

>>280831593
these last new threads have been extremely gay

>>280831582
I don't like it either. I know the manga would continue to be overly censored, but there would still be enough worth seeing. It needs another adaptation, whether a continuation or starting from the beginning again, ideally published in something that isn't as restricted. That manga artist is working on something else now.

>>280831512
She could take in a cock that's almost as long as her forearm; she'll be fine.

>>280831599
There’s more crazy shit after but yeah, that’s peak gaslighting
>>280831572
lmao what

>>280831599
The cuck sword being the ultimate weapon was funny

>>280831572
yeah, that sounds like a typical female fantasy

>>280831386
Don't mind generic design, it's generic personality that's a bigger problem.

>>280830156

[Niramikko Koujou] Juse Koi Jusei shite Koishimashita | Fertilization Love I Got Fertilized And Fell In Love [Nipis Family]

>>280830119
>Why aren't women simply turned into men?
because women completely dominating the loser is hot as fuck

>>280830618
Summoned girls are so much better.

>>280830270
It still has more worldbuilding than non-coom series.

fat masters are no good

This is a brief moment but I love it so much. It's like that frozen feeling when your dog is growling at a dark place you can't see into.

>>280829071
I'm pretty sure it's been hinted before that the master is an isekaijin who orders to kill other people with cheat ability ?

>>280830093
Is this by the author of that cowgirl and incest ntr sequels?

>>280829071
Did you just miss the chapter where they stumbled upon a modern-japan-themed dungeon?

>>280832422
Smaller ones are better.

>MC is raised by the denizens of a forest after being abandoned at birth by his parents.
>Years later, adventurers come to said forest and kill a bunch of mobs, taking with them some incridibly valuable loot.
>MC confronts the adventures and tells them to drop the loot if they want to live.
>They refuse and attack him, although initially with just the intent to capture him.
>When he proves to stronger than they expected however, they switch to trying to kill him.
>MC stills ends up overpowering and kills them as they try to run away with a teleport crystal.
>Reasons that if they were to get away with the loot, more adventures will come knowing how much valuable the stuff in the forest are.
>MDex forums filled with retatds calling him edgy for that.
This is why so many JPslop have naive MCs who refuses to kill people. Retards actually think not being Gandhi to people who want to kill your friends and destroy your homeland for profit is edgy.

Would you allow your isekai wife to have a wife of her own?

>>280832940
No, I'm not a cuck

>>280832940
>in-harem yuri
you're STILL pushing this meme fetish?

>>280832422
where else are going to get milk?

>>280811194 (OP)
become a mage
autistically study magic with goal of making breakthrough spells that you just copied from other fantasy titles
become a hermit mage in a tower somewhere in middle of nowhere and kill on sight all who enter

What's isekai?

>>280833186
It's what /a/ likes to title their fetish thread.

Consider this bird.

>>280833291
Didn't suffer enough.

>>280833096
I just want to shill this amazing isekai novel.

>>280833186
any fantasy series that caters to my gay fetishes:
>GB'd MC losing to the cock
>harem members engaging in yuri

>>280833186
isekai deez nuts

>>280833186
A misserable pile of memes, tropes and waifus!

>>280833186
A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF CHEAT SKILLS

>>280833303
>westernslop usedgoods cuckshit

>>280833383
She will betray

How do you deal with yamato nadeshiko's bush?

>>280829793
honestly to me I prefer wider universe type stories because I want there to be "leave these ones to us" type scenes in basically anything I read.

>>280833186
Narnia.

>>280829644
you absolutely would, but if it ever failed, it would be a shameful display. i imagine the ohohohos messing with the enchantments with their cheat magics. but I dont really want an otome villainess like that. but that kind of thing is right up their creek

>>280833186
GOOD. And I mean it.

>>280833383
Do NOT fall for the robots tricks. As they do not agree and wiping out humanity through violence isn't an absolute certainty they are playing the long game. They target humanity's weakest minds and systematically remove them from the gene pool generation after generation until humanity's population become too low to support itself and the earth is inherited by the machines. Do NOT fall for their sweet temptation. Don't be a fool. Reject the bag of bolts and breed human women exclusively!

>>280831512
>>280830159
>>280832662
>>280830093
cant people just take this to /h/? i dont mind if theres sex but if it's just a one shot why post it here?

>>280831386
thats just crow.

>>280833521
> I was reincarnated into an Otome Game as a male mob with basic Enchantment magic as my only skill.
> Time to make it rain gold by making panties that make it possible for adventuring noble ladies never take a toilet break.
Heh.

>>280833543
it's reverse isekai

>>280831501
>>280831483
isnt this the one where you can get chrom'd?

>>280833437
No

>>280833541
Yes
Although this sounds like reverse psychology.

>>280833421
>cultivation slop
>also ntr
huh?

>>280833622
>>280833421
No used goods or NTR in BoC.

>>280833634
I dont trust western writers...

>>280833641
Western writers are incapable of giving me what I want

>>280811194 (OP)
gender-bending is ALWAYS 1000% gay, without question.

>>280833663
>>280833641
what do you want anyway. nta

>>280833641
Just because you get recommended NTR based on your previsly read slop doesn't mean every writer does NTR.

>>280833541
Why the fuck is a robot sweaty?

>>280833765
Coolant or just customization for fetishists who want their androids to be realistic

Has there ever been any GB where a women turns into a man before after which he gets into a relationship with a woman?

Adopt a pet goddess

>>280811562
I'm not sure if this even counts as (actual real spoilers) GB when it's revealed that Michelle isn't actually the reincarnation of a spider-man otaku but rather received the memories of one via her Watcher powers when she was a child

>>280833815
I'll take this one. Hopefully her being a cursed card is worth it.

>>280833765
It's Liam's sweat, you cuck.

>>280833739
Chuuni kino
Westerners cant write that for shit it's all second hand immitations without understanding what makes things cool in the first place. A good non anime example is how back in the day we had masterpieces like Sonuc Adventure 2 then western fans who didn't understand what made that story so good stuck their fingers in the pie and absolutely ruined the sonic series. Why would I willingly read that trash when I have no lack of the original

>>280833860
Not even Japan makes as much chunnikino anymore. It's all mostly faux self-aware stuff.

>>280833882
Nah, they've still got it. Self aware stuff can still be good when the reader is self aware but the protagonist is unashamed of his actions

>>280829802
>Reminder that chapter based in eyes wide shut.
AAIIIEEE

>>280833580
Yes.

>>280833186
baby don't hurt me
no more

>>280833882
More like none of it gets translated and when it does it's from some dalit pajeet that uses MTL and thus never gets the kino across to english.
>Pls give recs bro.
This shithole is not for real discussion lmao, 4x2 is.

>>280833978
>Not using a LLM to translate

>>280833932
>top tier girls
>no sex
>not even romance

>>280834012
good
sex and romance is a crutch for bad writers

>>280834011
Have fun with that.

>>280833860
the best of my understanding of sonic is that no one really attempted a sonic 2 like story since. not even the movies.

but regardless. I admit I find a lack of that myself. I normally make my own via daydreaming at work. Even stuff I really like often lacks chuuni, or cuts out at least some of the chuuni shit. I prefer it. loads of it really
>>280833833
The character has the memories, the memories don't have the character.
>>280833932
agreed. if anything genre saviness enhances the effect, because that doubles the engagement if the character participates in the chuuni.

>>280834012
Play the game, the novel author fucking quit writing the books and Q moved over to writing tons of waifu shit for all the girls the gacha

>>280832868
Won't more people be sent to investigate the deaths of the adventurers?

>>280834053
Shadow the hedgehog tried but it just crossed the line into edgy trash. Unironically sonic 06 was pretty great but the gameplay left such a bad impression that it completely overshadowed everything else and caused Sega to panic and throw the baby out with the bathwater because everyone just parrotted that everything about it was bad because glitches and humanxhedgehog kissing

>>280834058
>the novel author fucking quit
this series is in hiatus?

>>280834113
>humanxhedgehog kissing
What's worse, that she kissed an animal or a corpse?

>>280833580
Why wouldn't you Chrom this?

>>280834121
Look up vol 6 realese date and look up any news regarding vol 7. Also look up how frequently the gacha updates and all the storylines it has. Hell even the manga caught up and is about to run out of material to adapt next month

>>280811194 (OP)
I would refrain from dressing like a slut

>>280834097
No reason to unless someone commissions it. Adventurers aren't a fraternity, they're just an association of freelancers. The know the risk when it comes to taking up missions. Also, the location of MC's base was located further into the territory, where no human adventurer had previously explored.

>>280834148
can you even blame him when he got away with re-canonizing all the shit he got lynched over on the original taepodong version through the gacha?

>>280834148
Poor Rose (and the other girls) will never get the Cid D

>>280834128
Who cares? I'm not gonna pretend like it ever bothered me either way. Tons of stories have people being brought back to life with a kiss and Igrew up watching Roger Rabbit. A cartoon character and a hot Human GF is not a foreign concept to me. Normies and their oppinions are a poison that eats away at creativity. They match into something someone else makes and then force it to chance in until it's unrecognizable and bad then move on the the next thing they can ruin

>>280833838
The real problem comes from the rank upgrades. Maybe she won't be another fight later.

>>280834198
i was kinda quoting a bit from sonic shorts but ok.

>>280834174
Did he already add again the dragon in humanoid form roundsfag and the moon cult shit?

Fuck your best bro and let his little sister watch her brother get railed!

>>280834288
The tranny plot is bullshit.

>>280834229
At least it's on a long cooldown. So she'll show up occasionally until you get her rank up card.

>>280834304
Mind of a man + biology of a woman is top tier and I'm glad people are starting to wake up

>>280834168
>competing with CFpussy, dragonpussy and fenrirpussy
Can tomboypussy even have a chance?

>>280828395
>timeline NTR

>>280834288
besto colors

>>280834371
There are good ways to try competing. I'm not sure but I think he's only tried the CF by the ending where the rest may get a chance after that.

She's not beating her husband hard enough

>>280834371
It will be a harem end anyway.

>>280832868
I think i remember reading this one and losing interest very quickly.
>Visits and joins the adventurer's guild right after this.

>>280834058
>>280834148
>Focuses on writing for gacha while putting novels on hiatus
He is not the only one who does that.

>>280834168
Just look how those little peaks have grown.

>>280834338
The A rank test would be better if they all prepare for a fight that doesn't happen, or at least not the way they expect.

>>280834412
>Kurt canonically dies his blonde hair Cyan because he instinclively knows Liam hates sluts and NTR
What a bro

>>280834288
>A tranny and a brat
What a waste of shimaidon, Liam better go for the better sister pair

>>280814773
glad you think so
your scheduled man rapist is heading towards your location now

>>280834412
slander from inferiors

>>280834577
>sister
Whut? They are unrelated. Just two brats Sword God Yasushi found on the street.

>>280834622
> Aryan Supremacy In Another World.
Oh my... The author can't hide their power level too well.

You cannot outdrive truck-kun

>>280834412
Black is used for NTR because cucks like the idea of a prim and proper Yamato nadeshiko being degraded.

>>280834668
>JK pairing her friends with onii-chan
context?

>>280833303
>>280833421
>>280833634
I want this chicken action instead

>>280834654
They were raised together as sisters and are bound by the way of the flash a bond tighter than any of blood

>>280833750
yes it does. They deliberately try to shoehorn in a completely arbitrary and specific ruleset of what counts as NTR so that they can include things like cheating or other forms of cuckoldry later on in the story.

To Isekai is to betray Earth your world cf.

>>280834685
Or because they are Japanese and black is the most common hair color over thereeven in anime. I'm sure if you look at the statistics for any tag and black will be #1 or 2

>look at this thread to see if there's anything worthwhile replying to today
>its just cuckshit arguing again

>>280834804
nbr siblings are just cf

>>280834834
More brown and blonde as a total on that list than black.

>>280834862
Not when they 100% think of themselves as siblings and grew up together as such. That's like saying Luffy and Ace weren't real brothers

>>280834113
i cant agree about sonic 06. it was bad at portraying sanic romance.
>>280834198
sanic 06 isnt bad because of muh human. we have marie and shadow as comparison. the problem is sonic isnt sonic.

>>280834288
Best addition to Evil Lord LN

>>280834058
This guy should learn from Danmachi’s author
He wrote for the gacha and his novels as well as manga just fine

>>280834288
Does he really or is this more bait

>>280834350
GB is fine. this anime is dogshit though.

>>280834900
They weren't Bloodrelated, if your Yakuza friend is close to you you are still not a real brother just part of their organization despite the familial structure of that organization baka.

I just shit my pants, this is even spookier than the graveyard dungeon

>>280834923
I never said it was good at portraying the romance, I couldn't care less about romance in a sonic game. I just said I didn't think the whole human hedgehog angle was weird but people latched onto that as something that runs the game for some reason.
What I thought was good was the general main story itself. It was just overshadowed by the hate the games poor game quality. Project 06 confirmed this for me when I replayed a good verion of it

>>280834350
then you get them pregnant and her 'male mind' gets flooded with female hormones until she's indistinguishable from a woman

>>280834940
Lol no danmachi has been going on for a decade and the LN barely broke 20 volumes. It moves at a snails pace because he writes that Oratoria shit and spinoff freya/ryu light novels nobody cares about while sitting on all girls exceot his pet Aiz

>>280835022
the hate was deserved, sega should have done the work those fans did to fix it.

>>280832940
>>280833096
This shit is not even in-harem, afaik it's the author being too pussy to make it a harem and basically just leaving it ambiguous

>>280835055
All im saying is that the bones were good and because of the excessive hate sega completley course corrected throwing everything out good and bad. The hate wasn't undeserved but the collateral was big and changed the course of the series for the next 20+ years. It wasn't until shadow generations that they finally seem to be going back to genuine continuity, drama taken seriously and more action based story cutscenes which is a huge step in the right direction. Instead of the meta 2010s cheap standing still and talking stories or the "remember this" call back shit frontiers did every 5 minutes

>>280834945
Just a bro and his bro (onahole)
Nothing to bait

>>280835120
to be honest the best sanic for me will always be boom because sticks is a miracle of the jewniverse. every bit as entertaining as mitsuba if not more.

oh shit, novelpiss just cucked this Patreon scammer

>>280835155
oh, Npia is linked on NU now?

>>280835212
Yep

MC waited. The candlelights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were allens in the castle. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cepten Joseon were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
MC was a shoelacer for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the adventurerguilds and he said to dad "I want to be the weakest but strongest daddy."
Dad said "No! You will BE KICKED OUT BY ALLENS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the proving grounds of the castle-nim he knew there were allens.
"This is Joseon" the crystal ball crackered. "You must fight the allens!"
So MC gotted his kanata sword and blew up the stone wall.
"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the allens
"I will shoot at him" said the lloyd and he fired the fire balls. MC katanaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the allens" he shouted
The crystal ball said "No, MC. You are the allens"
And then MC was a slideboarder.

If you don't want this with your best bro you might be gay...

>>280829176
>>280829186
>>280829227
The royal family that never repented and instead seeked out more power got what they wanted and married into the family of creator goddess.
These people only ever prayed for power never made amends and should have been stripped of their title and be replaced.
Yet they got rewarded.

I wanted to pick up theanga again, but this is a hard drop for me.
Anime will now be avoided as well.

Any way to contact the author and tell what a shit writer he is and that he should stop writing and change career.

This is not about her marrying, but about the manipulative fucking Royals that abused their power all the time not getting their just deserved, but getting rewarded with even more power.

>>280829802
This is so great, finally I can expect some art for this, but also Mynorgha and even Lufasu.

>>280833291
She is one of the system fake dragons.
The studio that ruined Kumo will forever be in my irredeemable list.
Those fucks ruined any chance for a second season while shit like the vending machine gets one.

>>280835131
>Onahole
So they fuck?

>>280835372
S(he) wishes.

>>280835155
lmao niggerpia paying cash to novelupdates instead of hiring trannylaters

>>280811194 (OP)
isekai as grapeman taxi.
or be born with no anus like in that FATAL rpg.
>>280835363
impossible to adapt anyway unless they skips lots of parts. or have more seasons like endless conan the detective movies.

>>280835400
They hire unpaid editors instead who are forced to edit 10 novels per month or they will get fired(kicked from secret discord)

>>280835040
>he writes that Oratoria shit and spinoff freya/ryu light novels nobody cares about

brah the main plot manga adaptation got axed. sword autism spinoff was more popular AFAIK.

>>280827529
Incredibly so.

>>280835425
the fuck
now i have to decide whether i give enough of a shit to pick up novels or not

>>280835155
>>280835212
is n*v*lp** the qidian of goodshit?

>>280835400
Marketing and TL budgets are separate.

>>280835425
Didn't that get a new manga to continue the main story too?

>>280835480
they have monopoly on goodshit, yes

>>280835508
but qidian doesn't have a monopoly on chinkshit though?

Artist priorities.

>>280835565
ass and tits? artist owes me sex now

>>280835508
They don't have a monopoly, they're just the McDonalds of Korean WNs.

>>280835692
what is white castle of korean wns?

>>280835692
>food analogy

I bought the first volume of Dahlia in Bloom to read after I finish up my current book. Is this a good LN?

cum in spinneret

>>280835801
which hole?

>>280835795
If you like discussing food-alcohol pairings.

>>280832537
Someone call Inigo Montoya

How would you protect yourself from elf menace?

>>280836022
kickstart the industrial revolution

What is the best way to help your party recover lost mana?

Jerk off before posting anon gave up

Giving them a child for a extra source of mana of course!

>>280835801
Not enough piercings and tattoos!

Why the sudden influx of TRPG posting? Did something new get announced?

Just being around them is dangerous.

>>280836180
NTRkino spoilers made everyone like it

>>280836180
Cuck spider in volume 11 tries to convince MC to fuck other women like in a bad NTR hentai

>>280836245
>tries
succeeds

>>280836245
This is agood thing!

>>280836253
Why is Erich such a fucking slut?

>>280834945
>>280834924
>>280834304
>The more I tried to his my feelings for Liam they the stronger they burned
We love lillie/kurt gaybending here

>>280836188
Nagisa sex

>>280836340
What's the point of all this genderbent homolust if at the end the author isn't going to get them together?

>>280836367
You've read how the story ends?

>>280836367
he turns back into a male to fuck Liam's female clone

>>280813134
>one of the R-18 afterstory chapters is an If story where Peter chooses "Please stay with me" instead of "Please let me help you" on prom night which leads to hymen-busting bareback spidergoop creampie
>this leads to Michelle getting executed by the Unseelie Court before she could be rescued and Peter living on as Sufferingman having now twice failed to live up to his Great Responsibility
>one of the comments is "I'm here to collect the bad end CGs"

>>280836406
Liams clone is never mentioned again after volume 10 iirc and Kurt's gayness for Liam leafs him to offering to off his fiance because she's part of the royal family that Liams fighting against...

>>280836340
>smug gaybent Kurt
I hate it!
Rosettabros, will will not take this laying down!

>>280836422
I can't read stories/vns with bad endings. I always look up guides and spoiler myself just to avoid them.

>>280826839
Rice doesn't have that much of a taste, but it's a great basis for pretty much any other taste.

>>280828773
Those are great prices.

>>280836422
Holy shit based.

>>280836505
t.

>>280836188
How many times do you need to be taught this lesson, young man?

>>280836456
Yeah Lillie will take it laying down instead while Rosetta watches from the cuck chair

>>280836505
I kneel.,

>>280828773
> Room costs 3 copper.
>With food included 1 silver.
> Food and drink costs 7 copper (so we can probably assume 5 copper for the meal 2 copper for a pint.
> Room costs 3 copper.
Nope, just nope, nope, nope, nope.

ROOM ALWAYS COSTS MORE THAN FOOD.

>>280836039
Elfs are way better at it than humans. They tried it, realised that it only makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, and went back to their tree houses.

>>280836340
>That face
He's too far gone...

>started watching that ugly bastard isekai show
>writes into his build that he'll die if he has sex
What's the point of an ugly bastard if he doesn't rape anyone?

>>280836661
>but what if copper was more valuable than silver in isekailand?

>>280836717
>no chalcolithic age
>no bronze age
>people stuck in stone age forever
Would be quite fucking based actually, but the japs are too pussy for that.

>>280836710
power > sex
sex is a distraction from gaining more power

I want to get bullied sexually by my Imouto-maid.

>>280836661
this is actually not true in ye old days. the food took up 70% of the income of the lower classes

>>280829368
>>280829438
Are you faggots saying you dont like the tag team fights?

>>280836340
Bratty gay bro needs correction!!

>>280836188
Axe status?

>>280836788
Did you buy the manga?

>>280836831
I only buy good manga.

>>280836505
I do this as well for potential NTR

>>280836749
>flat
what's the fucking point?

>>280835795
why would you buy it if you didn't know?

>>280836245
I don't really like when shit goes mono to harem even if it was kind of leading there
I don't have an issue with harem I just don't like change

>>280837024
It was already over in the earlier volumes when the author kept introducing cute girls for MC

>>280837005
I dunno it sounds pretty good mostly. I was just wondering if anyone else had read it I guess.

>>280836340
>Onii-sama
Based imouto not accepting this GB nonsense.

>>280837024
anons be saying this to the most obvious harem stories

>>280837433
It was definitely teased a lot. But think some part of me thought author was just going to keep it in those Henderson side stories

>>280837876
For me I knew it was going to happen since an anon mentioned Erich fucked a moth girl in the WN with Margit's approval