Akaza Won
Douma Lost
Kokushibo Lost
Muzan Lost
Rengoku Lost

>>280820492 (OP)
I'm calling it, first animated movie to exceed a billion fucking dollars

Koku is going to win so hard in movie 2 if he gets this treatment.

blessing this thread

I love my nameless green wife!

>>280821098
it's the little things like that that elevate Wani's writing

>>280821217
Inside Out 2 already did that.

Retarded Black Clover monkey.

And you won't even reach half of it.

My husband Hairo!

Why does Akaza have to go to Hell with his wife when he seems to be the most moral Demon of all.
>had a good and virtuous human life
>had true love for his family
>lived in total peace for 3 years
>avenged the unjust murder of his family, but didn't kill innocents
>gets fisted in the brain by Muzan, doesn't ask to become a demon, just says "yes" to the question "can you handle my blood"
>forgets his human life, but still refuses to kill any women at any point in his demon existence
>only fights in honorable combat, no tricks, because he resents the men who poisoned the well to beat Keizo
>sacrifices himself rather than harm humans when he gets his memories back, defying Muzan and halting his own body's regeneration
Why did Daki, the evil demon who killed probably hundreds or thousands of innocent women, have the opportunity to go to Heaven, but Akaza doesn't?

>>280821241
is next movie going to be doma + koku? Doma's backstory is pretty short compared to Akaza
>>280821289
this is an anime board Jeremy
please stay on topic and stop reddit spacing

>>280820492 (OP)
>Bitchkaza
>First time inexperienced Tanjiro sees an upper moon 3
>Huh, what is he doing here?
>First time he feels CHADhakutens aura
>ACK- My heart!!!

>>280821319
Most demons are enslaved by muzan into eating and killing people, so they go to hell.
Fucking tamayo has to go too.

>>280821319
Buddhist hell is absurdly strict
Like "commit murder and get ass raped by fair for 10,000 years" strict
but it's very interesting that Wani added her own concept of heaven to it. As well as the idea that loved ones can go to hell to help guide and accompany their loved ones while they repent

>>280821339
He cute

>>280821374
I think there was another dude that went through the entire manga counting all the missed panty shots

>>280821347
Tamayo going to Hell is sad, but Akaza's seems even worse. Tamayo agreed to become a demon to save her own life, and then in the process she ate and killed her own husband and son, if I remember correctly. Asian concepts of Heaven and Hell seem strange to me. I guess just being a Demon means you go to Hell..... except for Daki I guess? I don't get it...

>>280821385
I want to believe it helps them burn bad karma faster by sharing the burden
So cunts like douma go to super hell and akaza will get out ok.

>Sacrifice your family or die
>Become a demon or die
>Fight the demon slayers for me or die
Kaigaku had a hard life

>>280821320
>i-i didn't mean animation, i meant anime!!
Nice pivot, faggot. And still won't reach a billion. No anime will ever get there. Donghua can because China alone can carry their box office into billions.

>>280821437
Maybe he could have chosen to die at one point?
Sure it's shit, but, dude.

>>280821391
Too young for hell

>>280821385
>As well as the idea that loved ones can go to hell to help guide and accompany their loved ones while they repent
Is this Buddhist Hell? Christian Hell as a concept (which is what I'm basing my thinking off of) usually implies that Hell is a permanent place, or so long that it is near permanent, total separation from God. If Buddhist Hell is just "guiding through a bad place while you atone for your evil before going to Heaven eventually" then that's more like the Christian concept of Purgatory.

>>280821466
He's a shotajiji

>>280821436
There was a neat little detail when Wind gets thrown back into the afterlife by his dad. His dad looked all fucked up. Implying he was already burning in hell and to an extent learned the error of his ways, and is now guiding their mother so their son can live a good life

>>280821437
I'm sure as a slayer he saved a couple of people. And then he had to defend a village from UM1...

>>280821466
He's just demon Tanjiro
>earring
>same height
>similar hair
>spews about justice and calls you a villain
>has dragon attacks

>>280821437
>Become a demon or die
Weak

>>280821466
>literally a cunt who stole money from blind people and then blamed his hands for it

>>280820746
>Why the hell do you care so much about what Japs like?
Caring about a nation's cultural output especially one as globally influential as Japan isn't some weird intrusion. It's critical engagement. People around the world care about Japanese cinema, because of Kurosawa, Ozu, and Kore-eda. Japanese animation, because of Miyazaki, Anno, and Takahata. Japanese actors, because of legends like Toshiro Mifune and Hiroyuki Sanada.

If you admire Japanese art, study its history, or want to see it evolve instead of stagnate, then you have every right to care deeply about where it's headed. That's called being a serious consumer and student of global culture, not an outsider. Especially since Japanese cinephiles are expressing concerns about the state of Japanese cinema.
>It’s not your culture, not your country, not your problem.
False. Art is transcultural. If we followed your retarded logic:
>No one outside France should critique French New Wave
>No one outside the US should have opinions on Hollywood
>No one outside Korea should celebrate Parasite
This is gatekeeping of the worst kind: the type that tries to silence thoughtful critique by hiding behind borders, as if culture isn't a global conversation.

Japan exports its culture intentionally. Anime is a product meant for worldwide consumption. If you want the global market, you also get global criticism. You don't get to peddle Demon Slayer in 100 countries and then tell people, "Stay out of our business."

>>280821474
Demon Slayer's concept of hell is very, very similar to Christian purgatory for some reason. Like very very interestingly similar and I've love to know why Wani has this idea. Even the whole concept of burning in fire is uniquely Christian.

Not to mention Buddhism just does not have heaven at all. This idea that loved ones can spend time together in heaven before reincarnating or just not reincarnating is very unique.

Also fun fact, Tanjiro only ever sympathizes with demons who were turned as children. The arms demon, spider mom, Rui. It's probably just intentional by Wani but it's like the children are given leniency to an extent.

And a very interesting easter egg is that the arms demon never even goes to hell. When he passes on you see he was insanely young, and he seems to just go straight to heaven. Possibly because Tanjiro prayed for him too. He literally gets there and meets his brother and his brother goes "I've been looking everywhere for you!"

>>280821577
I think it would have been both funny and tragic if the brief backstory actually proved that he was innocent and he got framed.

And then screaming Tanjiro sends him to Buddhist hell.

>>280821631
holy kek can you imagine that?

>>280821437
Kaigaku did nothing wrong

>>280821626
>And a very interesting easter egg is that the arms demon never even goes to hell. When he passes on you see he was insanely young, and he seems to just go straight to heaven. Possibly because Tanjiro prayed for him too. He literally gets there and meets his brother and his brother goes "I've been looking everywhere for you!"
It's been so long since I've watched that I forgot the arm demon even had a backstory like that. I need to rewatch. Definitely seems like they have a very unique take on religion and the after life.

>>280821721
Wani also embraced the japanese myth that lovers reincarnate as siblings so they can be best friends in the next life again
also explains all the fucking nip incest

>>280821749
That's technically for lovers who couldn't be together and thank god she didn't go througj with it
>yoriichi marrying his sister uta

This duo gives me heavy sith vibes.

>>280821946
this duo gives me heavy shudo vibes

Anyone want a screenshot from the movie?

>>280822091
No thank you

I would have liked the Zenitsu scene a lot more if UM1 walked in and casually beheaded him and his head rolled right next to Kaigaku’s so that they’re looking at each other.

>>280821523
>he saved a couple of people
He saved more than that, before turning he was decently accomplished
He wasnt liked because of his attitude, not his skills or feats

I love watching this video since it perfectly sums up all of Demon Slayer's flaws.
https://youtu.be/XX4v8cvrMqs?si=UlMxCSURQ7KOVj0X

https://youtu.be/XX4v8cvrMqs?si=TXmU3eF1Fk-T7HH6

I've probably rewatched this video a dozen times.

>>280822597
I never have and never will. It reeks.

>>280821319
He wasn't righteous at all, he spend most of his life stealing and eventually become a mass murderer, you can argue all you want that he stole for his dad and killed the killers of his waifu but factually those actions aren't virtuous, righteous or excusable just because of the circumstances.
He never tried to work to righteously earn a living for his dad, he only stole and even though those guys that poisoned their water had it coming he still killed ton of people.
He then spend centuries killing innocent people as a demon.

You can sympathize with akaza because he never meant to become a demon and the circumstances lead him there, that's fair but he one million percent deserved to go to hell.

Being unfortunate and having to do evil because of your circumstances doesn't make your actions any less evil.

>>280821319
>Why did Daki, the evil demon who killed probably hundreds or thousands of innocent women, have the opportunity to go to Heaven, but Akaza doesn't?
She didn't retard, every demon went to hell.

>>280821319
>only fights in honorable combat, no tricks,
>No tricks
Except the endless demon stamina, the instant regeneration abilities, only fighting at night and escaping when the sun comes up.

>>280821319
>Why does Akaza have to go to Hell with his wife when he seems to be the most moral Demon of all.
Because his story is straight out of a guro rape doujin. Read Boxer by Uziga Waita. It's the same story.

>>280821319
>still refuses to kill any women at any point in his demon existence
Oh so he's sexist

>>280821577
>>280821631
This bitch and potfish guy were so fucking lame, like Wani didn't even bother. Swordsmith was just so shit.

>>280822597
>Rengoku doesn't work and the movie failed to make him an interesting character
>the action is terrible
>Genya is a bad character
I should have known he would have fucking retard level takes just from the way he looked

>>280821319
>Muzan didn't deserve to go to hell, he was born ill and just wanted to live normally and a random doctor turned him into a man eating monster
>Kokishibo didn't deserve to go to hell, he just wanted to be like his brother
>Douma didn't deserve to go to hell, he was treated as a deity since birth so it's not his fault he saw human life as insignificant
>Hatengu didn't deserve to go to hell, he was just a cowardly man doing what he could to survive
>Gyutaru and daki didn't deserve to go to hell, they were just brothers looking out after eachother.
If you ignore their horrible actions even satan sounds righteous(which unironically a lot of people genuinely believe)

>>280820492 (OP)
will this whore ever do something ???

>>280823137
Literally no.

>>280821319
In the KnY universe, anyone who’s killed another human is going to hell — no exceptions.
It’s a universal rule, so even Tamayo is implied to be headed there.

>>280823187
>so even Tamayo
Friendly reminder that tamayo eat her husband and kids plus a lot of people before parting ways with muzan, ofcourse she is going to hell.

>>280823187
This.
That’s why Giyuu was so desperate to kill Tanjiro before he ended up taking someone’s life.
It’s a concept deeply rooted in Japanese Buddhism, so it’s not something that really lands with most Western viewers.

>>280822597
>these are the responses to the video
I'm suddenly realizing why modern hollywood sucks fucking ass for listening to focus groups

>>280823187
>In the KnY universe, anyone who’s killed another human is going to hell — no exceptions.
What the fuck? Tengen didn't go to Hell.

>>280823053
>>Rengoku doesn't work and the movie failed to make him an interesting character
Based. Never understood why fags love the Flame Jobber. The hack author also did a LOT of damage controlling by turning him into big bro figure for Tanjiro when he wasn't very nice in his debut and seemed eager to kill Nezuko.
>>the action is terrible
Based. The manga art is horrible and the "fights" are all just infodumps because the hack can't draw well so naturally he can't draw fights well.
>>Genya is a bad character
Based. Fuck that character for idolizing that piece of shit Sanemi.

>>280823372
>not realizing Tanjiro breaks his sword because he's using the wrong breathing technique
>also happens with Inosuke

>not realizing that Muzan is a hypocrite coward on purpose and it's what makes his character interesting i.e. a flawed retarded villain

>Tanjiro is somehow incompetent?????
>apparently wins by just trying harder
I hate fags

Saw it yesterday, and yeah, this is 100% the kind of movie you have to watch in a theater, preferably on the biggest screen possible.
Blowing your first viewing on a low-res pirate copy on some tiny monitor is just a massive waste.
If you can, go IMAX. That’s the way it was meant to be seen.
I wanted to catch it in IMAX too, but couldn’t get a ticket.

>>280823412
>How can you possibly make an engaging character in a single movie?
You mean every single fucking movie you retard?

>>280823452
Huh? Where? It's not out yet unless you're a Japanese right?

>>280823412
>people change their view of someone after seeing then fight on their side??? Hack
Stick to marvelslop

>>280823394
There’s no mention of whether Tengen went to heaven or hell after his death.
The guy who shows up in the epilogue is his descendant, not some reincarnated version of Tengen.
I think that’s the answer.

>>280823536
>Rengoku literally said "after watching your sister risk her life, I realize she is now one of us. Anyone who risks their life to save innocent people, to bleed and suffer to save them from demons, is one of us"
jeremy
>"OH GEE OH WOW WHY DID HE CHANGE HIS DECISION"

>>280821437
The first one he brought on himself

>>280823523
Im in Tokyo now.

>>280822597
Isnt this the tranny that whined about the show being misogynistic?

>Bro was such a huge jobber his death was not important enough to be announced

>>280823187
By that logic even the survivors and their descendants would go to hell for their future actions in Nanking.

>>280823394
Tengen literally said he's going to hell
>>280823597
lucky bastard
I'm heading out in september because I want to wait to watch it with my sister before I leave

>>280823597
What? No way!

>>280823394
You sure about that?

>>280823612
>>280823633
He can't go to Hell he has three wives. Are you implying his wives went there with him? What is Hell like?

>>280823685
It's very likely they loved him and went to hell to support him while he atoned
Buddhist hell is mostly just suffering

>>280823603
He is just another Upper 6, and a weaker rookie at that, when Gyuutaro and Daki fell they actually celebrated as the first Upper Moon they killed in over 113 years.

However, the movie did make an announcement that an extremely dangerous opponent was about to face Zenitsu, that didn't happen in the manga.

So is this trilogy really going to wrap everything up?
If that’s the case, the next two movies are both gonna need to be over 3 hours long.
And Japs are already whining on social media and 5ch that “155 minutes is too long, I need a diaper.”
How’s that gonna work out?

>>280823372
The biggest thing that bothers me is the absolute lack of screentime and interactions for characters. And why are people hung up on Shinobu being weak and needing to use poison?

>>280821437
He was an adult and knew full well Jigoro would disembowel himself to take responsibility. That's why they do that, to give their students the strength to accept death instead of betray the slayers. Feudal shit but you don't see many ex-slayer-demons.

>>280823779
because average people are fucking retarded

>>280823770
>Nips shitting and pissing their diapers while watching the film

>>280823779
>And why are people hung up on Shinobu being weak and needing to use poison?
It just doesn't make sense for her to be part of top ranking strongest team if she's so weak. What does she even do? What does she even accomplish? She doesn't do anything and it's up to two dumb kids to kill her rival demon.

>>280823412
Dragon Ball is a bad example, battle shonen meta changed dramatically since its times.

>>280823770
First movie covered 17 chapters in 2 hours and 34 minutes. There's only 22 chapters until Kokushibo dies, and Muzan gets 19 chapters for himself (with the surprise extra fight). If the next two movies aim for the same 2 hours and 34 minutes, maybe even aim for close to 3 hours, they can wrap it up.

>>280823842
She's smart (and petty) enough to weaponize wisteria. Hated Douma so much she turned herself into a poison nuke as a last resort. She was THAT angry.

>>280823840
It’s just basic biology , as you get older, your bladder gets weaker.
Can’t be helped.
And let’s be real, theaters crank the A/C way too high sometimes, which definitely doesn’t help when you’re already feeling cold.

I hope the movie spawns a lot of rape doujins of these two. The repulsion into instant loss from Shinobu would be so hot

>>280823963
>She's smart
She isn't. She's a stupid character written by a stupid author who doesn't know how smart people think. Her death (like nearly every death in the series) was also easily preventable, lmao

>>280823974
I dont like being reminded of basic biology.

>>280823963
Why don't any of the others use poison if it's so good

>>280823997
I read a slavery rape fic with Shinobu but it was with Hantengu’s clones

>>280824019
>She's a stupid character written by a stupid author

>>280824071
Because beheading is always better and faster.

>>280824071
You see Tengen use it, and you see why Shinobu sucks even when she uses it. You need to go all-in on the poison gimmick for it to be lethal, otherwise it just temporarily and unreliably slows down your target. It's very tedious and needs a lot of prep. Even then against the strongest demons it just doesn't fucking work unless you nuke yourself.

>>280824091
Yes. She's a stupid character written by a stupid author who doesn't know how smart people think. The final battle against Muzan even made her look like a retarded suicidal cunt, lmao

>>280824106
So she is useless right? She needed two kids to behead her demon. Kids that were stronger than her even though she's part of elite squad.

>>280824019
>easily preventable
Bitch had suicidal rage. She wanted to kill Douma on her own. It was personal and she got kill for it.

>>280823685
The number of wives you have has absolutely nothing to do with whether you go to heaven or hell.

>>280824171
They werent doing shit until the poison in Douma melted him. You think Kanao and Inosuke were taking Douma down alone?

>>280824228
Makes no sense UM2 lose to poison

>>280820492 (OP)
Are they as an idea of a couple a forced meme all along?

>>280824250
Poison and beheading and Douma being a cocky retard.

>>280824191
She's still an idiot who had tons of alternatives to kill UM2 without killing herself but still chose the dumbest route

>>280824171
The modern hashira are all very conveniently the strongest gigachad hashira since sword jesus's time. Shinobu was factually stated as the weakest by far, probably weak for "normal" hashira standards too. Also very conveniently 99% of modern demon slayers outside of the 9 hashira are all somehow worthless trash compared to previous generations (before Tangerine picked up the sword and met his main character friends of course). All of the 5 sense gang were stronger than Shinobu by the final arc, and they all did better than her since her poison doesn't do shit against the top 3 demons.

>>280824140
When does Tengen use poison? He has poison resistance.

>>280824304
So what’s your master plan for taking down UM2?
Gonna launch a missile at it or something?

>>280824335
Such as?

>>280824378
They could've just ignored him. Bro would just chill at his lair and die when Muzan got got

>>280824372
The wisteria kunai shot out by one of his 3 hot wives. He also uses explosives with some kind of wisteria in them to hurt demons.

>>280824409
Nakime would plop him in front of someone. Or force someone to go to him.

>>280824289
Yes and no, shinobu was insistent in being friends with him during her first few appearances which factually gives the possibility of a future romance but it never went anywhere.
Imagine making a building, first they have to secure the place where they will build it, then prepare the terrain, then make the base, then the floors and so on, they basically stopped at the first step.
There's nothing going on between them but there could have been.

>>280824417

>>280824378
Electric shock therapy. The cure all for all mental illnesses.

>>280824289
Gayuu is too autistic for romance so yes

>>280824343
>Also very conveniently 99% of modern demon slayers outside of the 9 hashira are all somehow worthless trash compared to previous generations (before Tangerine picked up the sword and met his main character friends of course).
The scenes of jobber slayers getting massacred was seriously mean-spirited. Also their one contribution being some Looney Tunes anvil dropping shit and not even involving their swords was fucked. Feels bad.

>>280824417
Oh damn, I forgot about that. Dont remember the wisteria in the explosives though.

>>280824409
What are you gonna do if Douma shows up to back Muzan during the fight?
You do realize Muzan can telepathically command all demons, right?

>>280824494
It was implied by a one-off line from Gyutaro when he dodged a bomb while his sister got stunned and beheaded.

Which of the 3 movies has Big Rock Man do stuff?

>>280824567
Both of the next. Second one the most.

>>280824588
Thanks

>>280824343
They were trash because the Hashira fucked up not having time to train them properly. That was the whole point of Hashira training with. And Hashira training also showed that many of the slayers were straight up quitters when things got too hard.

Giyu? Handsome and straight

>>280824409
What the hell are you even talking about?
If Douma isn’t taken out, he could easily link up with Kokushibo or Muzan and easily wipe out every Hashira.
He literally tried to do that in the manga did you miss that part?

>>280824644
And they were still trash AFTER the training so it doesn't matter and we wasted a mini arc on nothing

>>280824865
They made great red coats.

>>280824939
No they didn't. Unless you're into massacre guro.

>>280824828
Damn Douma is so cute

The most offensive part to me was that giyu had no reaction at all to shinobu's death.

>>280821319
akaza literally stole shit and beat people up, and killing out of revenge doesn't justify murder
>Why did Daki, the evil demon who killed probably hundreds or thousands of innocent women, have the opportunity to go to Heaven, but Akaza doesn't?
daki only grew up knowing what her brother taught her. it's the question of "are children born evil or are they only taught evil, and if the latter then are children held responsible if they didn't know any better or had no choice". she showed up as a child in her human form as a way to display her childlike innocence, because all her life all she did was just follow her brother around and do what he said

>>280824952
>unless you're into massacre guro
How could you tell?

>>280825014
Based

>>280823997
rape into love

>>280823372
And america wants to hijack the anime industry and turn it into hollywood 2.0
Amazing isn't it?

>>280825068
Women would unironically choose this over a genuinely nice guy that would never hurt them...

>>280821320
It’s really inosuke who gets the backstory highlight

>>280824404
Use the same miracle asspull drug that
>paralyzed Muzan
>aged him 9,000 years
>broke him down physically
>bought the cast enough time to kill him
>probably ruined his credit score
Result: UM2 gets nerfed, Shinobu doesn't die, win-win
OR
Inject UM2 over time leading to accumulated exposure by
>Coating her sword with stronger variants
>Use her agility for hit-and-run tactics using needles, darts, stingers
>Retreat and let the poison work like a proper assassin
She has medical knowledge, poison expertise, and agility and the best she could come up with was going snacked like a kit-kat bar and pray?
OR
>Create airborne wisteria particles or aerosolized gas
>And since they fight in a closed off chamber the gas can be released gradually
OR
Instead of going in solo with a death wish, she could’ve
>Devised an actual strategy
>Combined her poison with Kanao’s precision
>Let Inosuke go wild and distract UM2
>Let Kanao deliver a final strike laced with the fatal concentration
Which literally happened
Kanao delivered the final blow after UM2 was weakened. So why didn't Shinobu just dose him and let Kanao and Inosuke do the rest without dying?
Oh right, the author wanted a sad death scene

>>280825102
Douma is a nice guy AND he hurts you.

>>280823014
they only existed to job and provide powerups for the real fights, I think it's fine that not every demon has some tragic or noble backstory that makes you feel bad for them. potbro got too cocky and was put in his place, and he and hantengu both were just evil people down to their core

>>280825102
Giyushino is more popular thou (no, i dont ship it)

>>280825102
Anon thats a character who doesn’t exist

>Wake up
>He's still at it

>>280825128
Powerful Demons can overcome drugs and poison through their Bluetooth network of information, if she used the miracle drug on Douma then Muzan would have caught on early.
Douma repeatedly got over the drug doses, a body full of poison only weakened him enough to allow a beheading. Making it airborne would at worst be just irritating to Douma, but he genuinely doesn’t give a fuck so it wouldn’t actually do much of anything, also he’d get over it.
And again it was thanks to a body full of poison that he was weakened enough to get his head cut off

>>280825128
Also fillling the room with wisteria poison gas would work really mostly just against any demon slayer, considering they actually need to breath

>>280825128
>Use the same miracle asspull drug
Didnt they even have enough for Douma? They had one for Muzan, one to turn Nezuko back and the back up one Kanao had.
>Inject UM2 over time leading to accumulated exposure
That was the first thing she tried in the fight.
>Create airborne wisteria particles
Injection probably works better. Douma was also blowing ice wind around and could disperse it.
>why didnt Shinobu just dose him
Wasnt enough. He metabolised everything she threw at him instantly.

>>280825178
Yeah all the most popular DS f/m ships are wholesome

>>280825393
Also what other anon mentioned about the sharing info. Would have fucked the slayers over to have Muzan figure out the other effects before they kicked in.

>>280825384
But it's anti-demon not anti-human

Why didn't he absorb Nakime and use her powers for himself?

>>280825458
Anon wisteria is literally fucking poisonous

>>280825493
Hubris

I am glad UFO did justice to my fav. To think next is Giyu/Tanjiro Vs Muzan, Giyu/Rest of Pillar Vs Muzan and Giyu Vs Demon Tanjiro

>>280825493
Can he do that? He can gain properties but has he ever gained a BDA? He isnt AFO stealing quirks.

>>280825349
>Powerful Demons can overcome drugs and poison through their Bluetooth network of information
If this were even remotely true
>Why did Muzan, the strongest demon alive, fail to overcome Tamayo’s drug?
>Why didn’t Douma’s regeneration instantly fix him like demons do with nearly everything else?
Because the poison worked when the plot needed it to
>Douma repeatedly got over the drug doses
No, he didn’t
He tanked it for a while but not because he overcame it
He was crippled the entire time, slowed down, and weakened significantly
The story goes out of its way to show that he never fully regenerates or recovers, and that’s exactly what let Kanao and Inosuke finish him off
>Making it airborne would at worst be just irritating to Douma
Then explain why wisteria even in basic concentration works consistently throughout the series
>Traps demons
>Weakens their healing
>Restricts movement
>Literally makes the weaker ones unable to enter certain areas
So you’re telling me a chemically enhanced wisteria compound, aerosolized in a confined space, wouldn’t work on Douma at all?
Get outta here
That’s like saying tear gas is just a minor inconvenience to Navy Seals
>it was thanks to a body full of poison that he was weakened enough to get his head cut off
It was only "thanks to a body full of poison" because the author made it that way and then refused to use all the other viable, more intelligent options available to Shinobu
You’re telling me a trained poison expert had no choice but to use her body like a pinata? Come on
If she can build up enough poison in her own bloodstream to weaken Douma
She could’ve built a more efficient delivery method that didn’t involve dying like a human Capri Sun

How many of the current Hashira it takes to take down each moon
>Upper 6 and 5
2 Hashira or 1 marked Hashira
>Upper 4 and 3
4 Hashira or 2 marked Hashira
>Upper 2 and 1
6+ Hashira (so no chance really) or 3+ marked Hashira

>>280825496
It's real?

>>280825594
He would steal Nezuko's sun immunity. So maaaybe.

>>280825630
I can tell you’re not gonna be happy with any answer this isn’t even worth arguing about

Did they ever mention how Muzan's wife and kid felt that he died? Did they even find out or was he just an unsolved disappearance? That's sad.

>>280825594
Maybe he just didn't have the time or chance to eat her, so he settled on remote self destruction. Maybe if he had gained her ability he wouldn't know how to use it without practice.

>>280825690
Are you serious

>>280825672
Two kids killed UM2

>>280825731
I think he literally just disappeared from them without a second thought or care, wasn’t he impersonating her husband anyways?

>>280825690
Wait until you find out about real life spider lily and that it is called the corpse flower.

>>280825760
Who was fucking around and was badly poisoned.

>>280825760
Only after he got food poisoning, so like 1 and a half hashira

How big is the meltdowns going to be to Shinobu dying to a rapist and Tokito's brutal gory death?

>>280825796
He's not a rapist

>>280825796
Tokito will be a big uproar.

>>280825796
Douma isn’t a rapist, he’s a cannibal with a savior complex

>>280825796
I think more people will be going crazy over genyas death

>>280825796
>Rapist
t. Shinobu
Cease your unbridled lust.

>>280825384
So you're saying Shinobu the poison expert would create a gas trap that kills her own allies and not account for that
Come on
We’re talking about a character who
>Has medical knowledge
>Understands human biology
>Works in a medically-focused environment
>Has access to antidotes, masks, and ventilation control
She could’ve easily
>Worn a filtration mask (they existed in Taisho Japan btw)
>Given Kanao and Inosuke protective measures
>Timed the gas release while she was alone
The argument is basically 'she’s smart, so she made a suicide plan because making a gas trap that only affects demons would’ve been too hard.'

>>280825820
>>280825839
Only hot women tho so same thing

>>280825630
Because Muzan did not know about the additional effects since he was the first demon to get the drug. If Douma got it and died to it, then Muzan would have found out how to counter it through Douma.
>He tanked it for a while
You're thinking of the kamikaze bomb after eating Shinobu. The poison Shinobu was injecting in the first phase of the fight, Douma was metabolishing.
It worked on lesser demons. Douma is UM fucking 2. Gyutaro was UM 6 and it stopped him for only seconds. And neither times made any real difference.

Man the moment when Mui pulls his sword out and just outright accepts he's going to die in a few minutes hurts

>>280825900
Im gonna be the one to tell you that Shinobu wanted to die. She was suicidal, she wanted to kill the demon who killed her sister but she also didn’t want to live anymore

>>280825973
Did he contribute? He was supposed to be prodigy genius.

>>280825908
If anything Douma is basically asexual

>>280825393
>Didnt they even have enough for Douma?
That’s never established
Even if true, you’re admitting the author deliberately limited the miracle cure offscreen to force her death
Still doesn’t explain why she didn’t work with Tamayo to make another variant, or why the idea wasn’t even attempted or discussed
Shinobu is a literal chemist with a demon research lab
You’re telling me she knew she was going to fight an Upper Moon and didn’t request extra poison?
That’s not just dumb, that’s bad writing
>That was the first thing she tried in the fight.
Still had alternatives
You’re telling me
>After realizing Douma’s body metabolized her poison fast
>And seeing it wasn’t working
>Her Plan B was: “let him eat me.”
Didn't even try to adapt. She gave up and hoped her corpse works better than her brain
Instead of adjusting her formula, escalating the dosage, or trying another method of delivery (aerosol, concentrated vial injection, blade coating, internal sabotage), she jumps straight to Plan Z
Which is just stupid
>Douma was also blowing ice wind around and could disperse it.
So now we’re pretending airflow manipulation is an airtight counter to biochemical warfare?
Let’s use your logic then
So why didn't Douma just use the same ice wind to blow away Shinobu’s blood poison once she got eaten?
Oh right because it worked
Dude you can’t have it both ways
Airborne toxins wouldn’t work because “ice wind lol”
But ingesting poison worked perfectly, despite literal digestion and bloodstream regeneration
If the demon’s body metabolizes poison that fast, it’s even more vulnerable to atmospheric saturation, because it doesn’t know when or how it's being exposed.
You can’t dodge what’s in the air, no matter how fruity your snowflake techniques are

Too long
I'll make a second post

>>280826003
>Did he contribute?
I'm pretty sure he makes Koku sad or something and that leads to his defeat.

>>280825900
A filtration mask that also restricts their breathing techniques?

>>280826025
Also explain
>Why he was slowed
>Why he was weakened
>Why he was unable to regenerate quickly enough
>Why Kanao was able to land the finishing blow
If he truly “metabolized everything” Shinobu’s entire death plan wouldn’t have worked at all
But it did. It just required her to die, cause the author said so
So the poison worked just inefficiently
Which again circles back to my point
She could’ve delivered it better.

The result would’ve been the same
Douma weakened
Kanao finishes him off.
But Shinobu could’ve survived, if the writing respected her intelligence

>>280825980
That just confirms she didn't like Giyuu enough to stay alive or stay near him. He is so disliked. Compare Love and Snake who would've lived together if they could and stayed together in death.

>>280825766
>after an entire night of just trying to survive, muzan is exhausted
>dawn is breaking, his skin is burning, the obsessed ubuyashiki fanatics have him surrounded
>suddenly
>an inherited memory, the doctor he killed 1000 years ago appears to him
>he tells muzan where the blue spider lily is, and that he must live to pass on his legacy as the best doctor of all time
>muzan finds the inner strength to kill tanjirou, escape underground, become perfect, and live happily forever after with his friends

What could have been…

>>280826061
What the fuck does Giyuu have anything to do with this, he has zero relevance to shinobus character

>>280826129
He wanted to sexo her

>>280826155
No anon, he was ugly and gay

Anybody unironically can't still believe how kino the movie looks? Every frame it's like it was worked as if it were the last one.

>>280826098
Imagine how hot it would be
>Douma is dating Shinobu's sister
>But big sis is always busy with work
>So he eventually seduces and rapes Shinobu behind her sister's back

By the way, how are all those reaction channels supposed to deal with the fact that the rest of KnY is all movies now?
It’s one of their biggest viewcount machines at this point — not being able to upload day-one reactions is gonna hurt.

>>280826245
That’s Inosukes mother you dingus

>>280826244
I'll let you know how kino I think it is when I can actually watch it. No I am not watching a 2.5 hour camrip.

>>280826285
It's scary to think how Inosuke would be like if he had Douma as a father-figure...

>>280826042
Breathing techs in DS are anime logic, not actual science
They're symbolic power systems stylized forms of martial arts breathing meant to enhance focus, strength, agility, etc
There’s zero canonical evidence that putting a lightweight mask over your mouth would completely shut down your breathing style unless it’s literally choking you out
You’re telling me
These slayers can fight with shattered bones, collapsed lungs, and blood loss
But a basic filtration mask that allows airflow but blocks toxins?
“Too much, can't breathe, game over”?

Nah.
They’re trained killers who breathe through wounds and broken ribs but can’t handle a cloth mask? Miss me with that
Only reason this argument exists is to block the “gas trap” alternative which is a smarter, more creative plan than anything the actual story used
Also Shinobu is a chemist
She would’ve designed a mask specifically for low-resistance filtration
She’d be aware of the breathing techniques and designed around it if the author actually cared about tactical realism
>>280825980
That only makes her look like an unlikeable cunt
If her whole plan was to die no matter what, and she left Kanao behind knowing that then she’s not a noble martyr
She’s just a selfish coward hiding under the mask of vengeance
Kanao was her closest remaining bond her little sister in every way that mattered
Shinobu knew Kanao was emotionally stunted, quiet, and struggling to find her own path
And instead of fighting to survive, instead of working together to take down Douma, Shinobu went lone wolf suicide route, leaving Kanao to pick up the pieces
She's a coward

>>280826248
I mean, just be patient till release. React to dadan whatever in the meantime

>>280826248
Probably the same way they dealt with infinity train

>>280826332
Top tier quality femboy.

>>280826025
Other anon's reason of passing on the side effects information is a better explanation. Cant have Douma dying to the drug tipping off Muzan before it activates.
>Didnt even try to adapt
She literally did. She upped the doses, used different poisons, different breathing techniques to inject it, even tried injecting it into his neck. She didnt just give up and let Douma eat her, she prepared for it incase it happened. She fought the entire time.
>Blow away Shinobu's blood poison once she got eaten
Bro... It was inside him at that point. How would that even work? What the fuck logic is that? Not to mention the other anon's point of wisteria being poisonous to humans too so creating a detriment to their own fighting on top of Douma's ice freezing their lungs.

>>280826345
Yeah she literally calls herself out for being a bad person because of the nature of her plan

>>280826244
It's gonna look great as a shitty cam rip

>>280826244
Thank her.

>>280826345
You are so exhausting. Fighting any top 3 UM is extremely risky, needs multiple hashira working together, and can end with them all dead. Shinbou knows she is the weakest, and a plan that guaranteed takes out #2 in exchange for only her life is a really good value. Any other bullshit poisoning method or betting on hit and run tactics over a long time is not reliable. Just shut the fuck up you obsessed retard.

>>280826411

>>280826424
Don't bother with him, he's not going to be happy with any answer he gets

>>280826056
Because the wisteria concentration in Shinobu was 700 times more potent than what she was injecting. His regen was working, but much much slower for that nuke so they were able to get the killing blow in. The injected poison was nothing to him. He metabolized it in seconds, even the stronger doses.

>>280825839
Funny thing is that people will still claim he is a rapist and overlook the cannibalism.

>>280826374
That's just fan patch to explain why Shinobu couldn’t use Tamayo’s anti-Muzan drug on Douma
There's no canon evidence supports this “alert system” logic
The idea that Muzan can magically “sense” the death conditions of every Upper Moon like a security breach is never once established
If Muzan was that aware, he would’ve known instantly when Nakime was taken out or when Akaza started crumbling
Even Tamayo and Yushiro didn't operate under that assumption. Tamayo poisoned Muzan directly, without worrying about “alerting” him via someone else’s death
That's just retroactive fanfic trying to justify why a smarter plan wasn't used
She literally did.
OK so let’s say that’s true
She adapted within the parameters of one doomed strategy
Core issue still remains
>Her plan always ended with herself being consumed
If she had
>Adjusted strategy to deliver the same poison non-fatally
>Retreated and tried a long-term plan
>Coordinated with Kanao/Inosuke from the start
>Designed a pre-loaded toxic trap (gas, blade coating, delayed effect)
THEN we’d be talking real adaptation
Instead, her “plan” was
>Fight until overwhelmed
>Let him eat her
>Hope her blood is toxic enough
Which is not a tactical escalation that’s Plan A through Z being the same shit
>Bro... It was inside him at that point.

Too long
Second post

>>280826468
I blame all the fanart of him raping akaza

Sometimes I can't tell if it's an actual argument or someone shitposting

>>280826468
He absolutely had sex with his women. Probably following his father's example, since he did claim bad people do what they want and partake in pleasures without being punished. Btw him believing there is no afterlife while becoming a magical demon is hilarious to me.

>>280826345
This is Taisho era Japan, not modern day mask tech. Shinobu works with poisons, not designing masks. Breathing is the source of their healing and fighting so purposefully nerfing yourself on the off chance this one strategy might work out of many is the opposite of smart. And dont try to bring up Obanai because his nose is exposed, allowing him to use breathing techniques.

>>280826543
>Bro... It was inside him at that point.
Not getting the point
Anon claimed Douma could just blow away airborne poison, implying airborne delivery was a bad idea
But anon also say ingested poison worked perfectly
You can’t say "airborne poison is useless because of ice wind," and also say "ingested poison worked amazingly"
It proves poison works only difference is delivery method.
If anything, aeration would’ve been harder to counter, cause Douma
>Wouldn’t know it was happening
>Would absorb it slowly and consistently
>Would be exposed over time without needing Shinobu to die
So internal poisoning proves that Douma can be poisoned meaning other delivery methods were on the table
>wisteria being poisonous to humans
Yeah and Shinobu the medical expert would know this.
She could’ve
>Worn a mask
>Administered an antidote
>Used safe concentrations
>Timed the release to avoid exposing allies
It’s her literal job to balance human safety with demon toxicity
This isn’t a 7th grader mixing bleach and vinegar. She runs a poison-based medical lab
You’re defending the idea that Shinobu can weaponize wisteria poison in her bloodstream but couldn’t possibly figure out how to make a gas-based trap without killing her friends? Nah
>>280826376
Just proves the point
If the character admits she’s being cold, selfish, and acting out of vengeance, that doesn’t make her noble or brave
It just confirms that
>She’s emotionally compromised
>She’s acting recklessly
>She’s motivated by grief, not logic
>And she’s okay with leaving her loved ones behind to clean up her mess
She calls herself a bad person, and that’s exactly what I pointed out when I said she’s not brave, she’s just a coward who ran instead of facing grief which the author tries to paint as beautiful behind all that sakura blossoms

>>280825630
Hey midwit black friend, it seems you think words words words means you sound smart, when a truly smart person can state their point concisely. You think this because as a midwit, you are unable to decipher large tracts of text and hence think they function as a defense mechanism via obfuscation, which does not work on greater minds like ours. You just sound dumb... But in more words. Later nigga

>>280826642
>since he did claim bad people do what they want and partake in pleasures without being punished.
When did he say that? Can he even get aroused in his state of numb existence

My problem with the ultra poison isn’t really with how it was delivered, it’s with its very existence. It’s nothing more than a lazy, absurd asspull to level an unwindable fight. A standard battle shounen narrative tactic. If the poison was a known quantity and a part of a certain character’s toolset and integrated with their combat technique, then it’s just a normal power set and there’s nothing to complain about. But randomly pulling out a supernatural effect out of nowhere at a convenient moment to win an unwinnable fight is the lowest shounen slop. Shinobu vs Douma was just copying Mayuri vs Szayel in which Nemu poisons Szayel via sacrifice poisoning. It’s actually much worse than that because at least Mayuri using poisons and various body science means is a core and well-established part of his character, so it’s not SO bad of an asspull when he randomly brings out some bullshit time dilation poison. If Shinobou had gone into the fight with various drugs to enhance herself and to mess with Douma thiat would be within her character expectations and not a problem — but conjuring a supernatural anti-demon potion out of thin air is the definition of an asspull. It’s really not debatable.

>>280826757
Daki could. Demons can sexo.

>>280826789
Chatgpt ass kek
Lazy nigga

>>280826796
That doesn't refute that anons point
Think more carefully

>>280826606
It's a lifeless nigga

>>280826789
>the poison was a known quantity and a part of a certain character’s toolset and integrated with their combat technique, then it’s just a normal power set and there’s nothing to complain about.
What? It's stated early and often Shinobu uses poison. Same with Tamayo.

>>280826796
Not the demon thing, like he was literally born numb and unfeeling

>>280826809
I just wanted to post and provoke discussion about Daki sexo

>>280826844
i want to discuss whether or not douma can get hard

>>280826424
>Shinbou knows she is the weakest, and a plan that guaranteed takes out #2 in exchange for only her life is a really good value
You sound like Kiritsugu Emiya with that hilariously flawed utilitarian logic
The plan didn’t guarantee Douma’s death
It was a hope that her poison would weaken him enough so that someone else could finish the job
Shinobu didn’t kill him. Kanao and Inosuke did
So what she really did was throw her life away to be a temporary debuff
If she had tried any of the previously mentioned non-suicidal methods she could have achieved the same result without dying
Saying “she’s the weakest” doesn’t justify suicide
It makes the whole operation riskier, because now the strongest demon slayers have to work without her support after she dies five minutes in
This isn’t a chess sacrifice
It’s just tossing your queen off the board because you think it might make the next move easier.
>Any other bullshit poisoning method or betting on hit and run tactics over a long time is not reliable
Then explain
>Why the 700x poison even worked at all
>Why Kanao was able to land a hit
>Why the plan only worked because it was backed by allies
This "nothing else would have worked" argument only flies if her death was a one-hit KO
But it wasn’t. She was a set-up move, like a buff in an RPG not the actual finisher
If it took that much poison to slow Douma down, then there’s your solution: deliver more over time
That’s literally what poison is for

too long, second post

>>280826844
Based!

words words words

>>280826543
>There's no canon evidence supports this "alert system"
Muzan has links on every demon not Tamayo or Nezuko. And Douma straight up got info on the poison from when Shinobu poisoned the spider sister. She suspected they shared information too. Its not a fan theory, its literally in the manga.

>>280826822
Tamayo was mentioned to be working on some special poison, fine. But not Shinobu. There was NEVER any mention of a supernatural substance she alone had access to which could weaken an UM to a level that could beat them. This was literally asspulled at the moment of the fight to let her win an otherwise unwinnable fight. It’s no different from Mayuri’s time potion. Lazy shounen slop.

>>280826937
But that's Shinobu's main thing. Didn't they imply it with the crow back and forth too?

Woah woah woah, everyone back up. How was Clementine able to be such a gigachad in his first fight with Daki? Why was he able to do all of that cool shit without any of the sword jesus power ups, and why was he not breathing for any of it?

>>280826882
>Because the wisteria concentration in Shinobu was 700 times more potent than what she was injecting.
And... why couldn’t she just create a delivery method for that level of potency without dying?
She’s
>A poison expert
>A trained Hashira
>Given time to plan for this fight
She knew she couldn’t win in a head-on duel
So she had time to prepare a method of administering that same high-dose poison externally hidden blade chamber, gas, darts, fangs, literally anything
Instead she went with: “Let him eat me, I’m a poison meat burrito”
Which is not genius, that’s just lazy writing hiding behind a tragic mask
>>280826676
>This is Taisho era Japan, not modern day mask tech.
OK, so you’re telling me
>A world where people use swords to cause literal elemental shockwaves
>Where characters survive organ-stabbing injuries using magic breathing
>Where a 15-year-old boy can break buildings with his feet
Can’t produce a cloth or paper-based filter that slows down wisteria intake?
Get real
This is stylized fantasy. You can’t apply selective realism
If you’re okay with poison-based magic ninjas fighting literal demons, but draw the line at primitive gas masks, you’ve already lost the argument
Also Shinobu doesn’t need “modern tech.” She needs
>Charcoal filters
>Cotton layers
>Her own fucking expertise
People in WW1 same era used urine-soaked rags to neutralize gas attacks
But you’re telling me a character who runs a poison research lab can’t improvise a basic filter?
That’s just delusional

>>280826932
Kek the nigga your arguing with is so retarded

>>280826937
Shinobu was pulled out of the training arc to work with Tamayo to create the drug, it's why shes so pissed, we knew they were working together and considering their specific talents it isn't surprising that the result of their teamwork is a super-fuck-you-muzan drug

Anyone got a link to the OST that played during Akaza’s final move?
That shit was pure kino — I need to hear it again.

>>280826937
when she's talking to doma's head in the afterlife she says tamayo is who told her how to make the poison deadly to an upper moon, which is the way the manga sets up tamayo as a super poisoner beyond just being a medicine maker

>>280826689
Douma wouldnt notice airborne wisteria? He absolutely would. Other delivery methods (like the airborne one) has more cons than pros for what is arguably a shittier way to poison him. Safe concentrations for humans is definitely going to be useless against an UM and a timed release will just delay the inevitable.

Kimetsu anons are too kind, spending their free time on a special needs kid

>>280826932
This panel actually help me more than they help you
You think you're debunking me, but all you're doing is proving my point while misreading the scene
>1. Yes demons share information.
And that scene just means Douma learned about wisteria-based poison from Shinobu's earlier attack on one of the spider demons (Rui’s sister)
It doesn’t mean Muzan is a psychic surveillance camera that detects when an Upper Moon gets injected and instantly learns what’s happening in real-time
It’s just normal intelligence sharing
A memory network =/= danger alarm
>2. The poison adapts to each demon
And that means you need to change your formula accordingly
This doesn’t back up the idea that a kamikaze is the only option
It actually reinforces that Shinobu should have developed a new variant specifically for Douma, instead of defaulting to suicide
>3. Poison is a double edged sword
That’s a warning about demons building resistance over time not that a single exposure magically alerts the demon king
It means the longer you drag it out, the higher the chance the demon resists it
Which is an argument for a strong, decisive non-suicidal delivery, not just dying on purpose

too long, second post

>>280827115
It's charity Tuesday

>>280827135
This isn't a regular retard, this is an advanced retard

>>280827135
Muzan does have a connection but it’s a vague, slow, deliberately non-omniscient one
And the series proves this
Case in point
>He didn't immediately know when Daki/Gyutaro was dying
>He sensed it vaguely, after her head got chopped off
>He didn’t know where Tamayo/Yushiro was for years
>He didn’t know about the anti-Muzan drug being developed under his nose by Tamayo until after it was in his body and already working
So no there is no evidence that Muzan would have instantly gone “oh no, Douma just got hit with this exact biochemical compound! alert!” That’s not how his link works
At best, he gets vague feelings not chemical breakdown data
If this “alert system” was that sensitive, Tamayo’s poison plan would have failed instantly
But guess what? It didn’t.
He got slammed with it, blindsided, and couldn’t reverse it. Which brings us to...
>Muzan couldn't shake that poison off
If the OG demon who
>Has the most potent bloodline
>Has lived for over 1,000 years
>Has adapted to everything
>Has literal body-morphing abilities
>But could not resist the anti-Muzan drug
Then what the fuck makes anyone think Douma, with no medical expertise, no prep, and no clue what hit him, is going to metabolize a concentrated variant of that?
>But it was 700x stronger in Shinobu’s body!
OK. Then make an external version of that.
>Concentrated syringe?
>Toxin dart?
>Blade with slow-release compound?
>Trap that forcefully injects it through skin or lungs?
Tamayo and Shinobu are both scientists
The tech exists in-universe to deliver this without suicide
This whole “it only worked because she died” thing is a writing excuse, not a logical necessity

>>280827115
At least it's about the series this time instead of the other box office schizo that keeps simping for westoid wokeslop

>>280827015
This one?
https://youtu.be/77cX0Fd1cKs?si=q-qyxIuBbIY7IPT3

>>280827071
>Douma wouldnt notice airborne wisteria? He absolutely would.
Yeah and? Not the point
Noticing =/= instantly countering
This isn’t some “as soon as he sniffs it, it stops working” scenario
Douma noticing airborne poison doesn't negate its effectiveness
He noticed Shinobu’s poison too. Did that stop it from working? Nope it still wrecked him internally
Demons have enhanced senses, but airborne toxins are cumulative
You don’t need to sneak it in, you need to saturate his environment enough that even his overpowered body starts to lose ground
If Shinobu’s blood poison could work after digestion, there’s zero reason why an inhaled or absorbed version couldn’t be tailored to do the same over time without her dying.
>Other delivery methods (like the airborne one) has more cons than pros
Yeah for a normal user. But Shinobu is:
>A master poisoner
>A medical scientist
>A trained killer
If anyone could create a targeted, demon-focused aerosol compound that minimizes collateral while maximizing efficacy, it’s her
She’s not some rookie with a smoke bomb she’s the Hashira-level poison assassin
Plus wisteria is already shown in the series as effective in vapor/gas form (used in traps, walls, etc)
The battlefield with Douma is a closed space perfect for saturation
Allies could have been given countermeasures: filters, antidotes, etc
Saying “airborne is bad because demons have noses” is like saying landmines are ineffective because tanks have wheels
Safe concentrations for humans is definitely going to be useless against an UM and a timed release will just delay the inevitable

>>280826976
Because of volume. The 700 time potency takes into account the amount of wisteria he injects all at once. You're not fitting that amount of wisteria into a tiny needle blade. Even fast, multi injections werent cutting it. It still wasnt enough.
>This is stylized fantasy
And stylized fantasy still has to have some form of suspension of disbelief, otherwise you could argue why they didnt they build a missile or run Muzan over with a tank. Just because there is some magic established doesnt make it a free for all to do whatever the fuck. This is writing 101.

>>280827071
>Safe concentrations for humans is definitely going to be useless against an UM
Never aid it should be safe. Jst needs to be controlled
Like Shinobu doses the room once her allies are gone, or equips them to survive the exposure.
And even if it weakens humans too, the strategy can still work with:
>Gas masks
>Holding breath temporarily (breathing styles literally revolve around breath control)
>Retreating during saturation
>Remote release once everyone else is out
Also his is Taisho-era fantasy. People regrow limbs from breathing. You think a toxin filter is out of reach?
>a timed release will just delay the inevitable.
Yeah and that’s a good thing
Delaying Douma’s regeneration, slowing his motor function, reducing his healing is exactly what Shinobu’s death did
The poison didn’t kill him instantly. It just weakened him long enough for Kanao and Inosuke to finish the job
That’s the exact same outcome an airborne method could achieve but without the suicide
So your argument is basically
>Airborne poison would slow him down, not kill him instantly.
Meanwhile:
>Shinobu’s entire death plan was designed to slow him down, not kill him instantly
You’re contradicting yourself again

>>280827206
>that other schizo
who the fuck else do you think is this crazy

>>280826987
Nah
Cause the manga panel doesn't support the "Muzan alert system" theory
It just proves poison needs to be tailored, and demons can recognize poisons they've seen before
Which only makes Shinobu look more retarded for not crafting something new and stronger instead of dying like a dramatic prop
So my original point is unshaken
Muzan couldn’t handle the drug
Douma wouldn’t have either especially with a smarter delivery
And there’s zero canon that says Muzan would’ve figured it out early if Douma got hit
The only thing you're proving is that you’ll twist anything to defend an emotionally manipulative character death.
Which is just you pointing out what the story refuses to admit
That Shinobu could’ve done better. The author didn’t want her to because they wanted drama points

>>280827409
What would you have shinobu do instead, rewrite the scene how you think it should have played out

>>280827135
>Its just normal intelligence sharing
Exactly, and Douma can pass that info onto Muzan. Thank you for agreeing with me.
>it actually reinforces that Shinobu should have developed a new variant specifically for Douma
Which she did, several in fact. Literally said that in the last post. Your last point is actual headcanon not stated in the manga at all.

>>280825128
>Insect Hashira.
>Butterfly motif.
>Dies by getting eaten.
>But her body has poison that leads to her killers downfall.
>Douma essentially died because hes a Darwin Award winner that fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book of natural selection.
Even if you can poke holes in it and call it retarded, I at least think it's thematically appropriate and cool for that aspect alone.

>>280827203
>He didnt immediately know when Daki/Gyutaro was dying
>He sensed it vaguely after her head got chopped off
Headcanon. All we see is Muzan informing the upper ranks of UM 6's deaths. In fact, he knew when Hantengu died immediately.
>He didnt know where Tamayo/Yushiro was for years
Because Tamayo's tie to Muzan was severed and Yushiro was turned by Tamayo.
>He didnt know about the anti Muzan drug being being developed under his nose by Tamayo
Because again, he didnt know where Tamayo was because he literally is not linked to her anymore.
Did you even read the manga?

>>280827332
>Because of volume. The 700 time potency takes into account the amount of wisteria he injects all at once.
So instead of saying:
>Hmm, this poison needs to be super concentrated, and I can’t fit enough into my stabby-stabby toys
a logical poison master would ask:
>How else can I administer it in a high enough dose?
And that’s where you faceplants cause you're still stuck on:
>If she can’t inject it all at once through her sword, the only other option is to die
You really telling me the only way to get that much poison into Douma was to liquefy Shinobu’s entire body and force-feed it to him like a Capri Sun?
Why not:
>Lure him into a wisteria fog trap for prolonged exposure?
>Deploy a timed-release gas bomb in a sealed chamber?
>Coat the environment with condensed vapor or residue?
>Build up slow internal exposure via implanted toxins, even while fighting with allies?
It’s not about the exact volume in a blade
It’s about creative delivery methods
And the fact she didn’t use any cause the author chose melodrama over intelligence
You're trying to limit her options to a false binary
>Either stab him with all 700x poison at once, or die to get it inside
Which is lazy, defeatist writing and worse, it contradicts her character as a methodical, precision-based Hashira

>>280827353
>Used safe concentrations
You literally typed that. Where are her allies going to go? Douma can just call Nakime to warp him out or leave the room himself if she gas bombs it too you know.
>People regrow limbs from breathing
No the fuck they dont. What manga are you reading?
The timed release would delay it poisoning THEM not Douma. So Douma can regen that poison smoke gas, or just leave his room. Its a shit tactic.

>>280827332
>And stylized fantasy still has to have some form of suspension of disbelief
Oh now you're pullinh the “Writing 101” card
And it’s hilarious cause the story violates its own internal rules constantly, and that’s what’s actually breaking suspension of disbelief
Not the idea of a gas trap or high-dose vapor delivery
>Muzan the OG demon gets wrecked by a drug Tamayo developed in secret
>He doesn’t sense it
>He doesn’t resist it
>He doesn’t adapt
>He just gets nuked by it, no suicide required
So internal logic already says
>Super-potent poison = effective against even the final boss
And we’re supposed to believe Douma a smug moron whose biggest flex is emotional detachment and ice breath magically resists everything except a human sacrifice plan
Fuck outta here. That’s not “writing rules.” That’s plot armor for author convenience
>otherwise you could argue why they didnt they build a missile or run Muzan over with a tank.
Didn't ask for a missile. Asked for:
>A character trained in poisons
>To use poison creatively
>In a way that doesn’t require her death
Which is entirely grounded within the world’s established systems
If Shinobu had summoned a mech suit, that’s too far
But asking the poison Hashira to... use poison better? That’s not breaking suspension of disbelief
That’s holding the story accountable to its own fucking logic
>This is writing 101.
Nah
Suspension of disbelief doesn’t mean “don’t question anything”
It means
>The story must follow its own internal logic and respect the intelligence of its characters
Shinobu’s death fails on both fronts
>She doesn't explore alternatives a real tactician would consider
>The story ignores her intelligence to deliver a cheap emotional payoff
That’s what breaks immersion
Not gas masks, not poison traps, not “stylized fantasy” pushing boundaries — but characters being dumb on purpose to serve the plot

Movie went from 7/10 to 10/10 to 12/10

>>280827797
Zenitsubros...

>>280827797
>>280827832
Why did they shit on the most popular character?

>>280827832
You'd think they'd be just fine with a 1:1 manga adaptation with extremely good animation
But this is no ordinary adaptation we are dealing with here

>>280827515
>Exactly, and Douma can pass that info onto Muzan. Thank you for agreeing with me.
Nope
Don’t get cocky when you clearly don’t understand the difference between “shared information” and “real-time surveillance”
Yes, demons can share info with each other.
No, this does not = “if Douma gets hit with a poison, Muzan will instantly know what it is, how it works, and how to counter it”
If that were true, then again
>Muzan would’ve sensed the anti-Muzan drug when Tamayo developed it.
>He would’ve felt Nakime being manipulated by Yushiro.
>He wouldn’t have had to ask Nezuko or Tamayo’s location, he would’ve just known it.
You're taking "basic demon info sharing" and trying to twist it into some psychic hive-mind failsafe, which is not supported by anything in the story
So my original point stands
>There’s no canon mechanism for real-time biochemical alert systems going to Muzan
Information sharing? Sure
Live toxicology data sharing with the demon king? Fuck outta here
>Which she did, several in fact.
That's the most damning part of your argument
You're confirming exactly what I pointed out
>If she could make several poison variants that got stronger with each use why the fuck did she decide “welp, guess I’ll die” instead of continuing to refine and test delivery methods?
If anything, this means she had
>Time
>Resources
>Knowledge
>Personal motivation
>Working data on Douma’s biology
And still chose suicide knowing it might not be enough and others would have to finish the job anyway
Let me rephrase your own logic in plain English
>Shinobu developed multiple poisons, tested them, and saw they weren’t quite enough, so instead of doing what scientists do and iterating further she just jumped into the demon’s mouth
That’s not brilliance
It's just giving up with extra steps.

>>280827634
>Wisteria fog trap
Nakime teleports him out
>Gas bomb in a sealed chamber
They are on the demon's home terf. They control the battle field, not the humans. Douma can just walk right the fuck out. How are they trapping him in?
>Build up slow internal exposure
And giving him more time to metabolize it befors any build up happens. Not the mention if its the exact same poison, he is now resistant to it before they can do any substantial damage. That slow internal exposure is now useless.
>Stab him with all 700x poison at once
Way harder to do than you are making it sound. This is an UM fighting back with air freezing crowd control. She cant stay in close contact for long.

>>280827515
>Your last point is actual headcanon not stated in the manga at all.
Which point?
If you refer to
>She could’ve used other delivery methods instead of suicide
That’s not headcanon, that’s logical inference based on her abilities
>She's a poison expert
>She has a medical lab
>She has allies
The final plan only worked because others landed the final blow
All I'm doin is pointing out the gaping logic hole the manga never fills in
>Why didn’t she try any other smarter method before choosing death?
The manga doesn’t give a real answer cause the plot needed her to die
That’s not headcanon
Just a critique of bad storytelling
If the only plan is
>Poison fails
>Poison fails again
>Okay, I’ll just die
Then your “genius tactician” wasn’t smart, she was just a walking plot device.

>>280827832
>>280827859
>>280827874
Why are you spamming?

>>280827790
>You literally typed that.
Sure did
And I said it in the context of
>Safe concentrations for humans that can still be potent to demons, especially when exposure is prolonged, weaponized, and controlled
Also Shinobu’s goal isn’t “make it totally safe”
It’s “Make it survivable for allies and fatal for demons”
Which is completely doable if
>She preps ahead of time
>She uses masks, antidotes, or retreats for her team
>She designs the battlefield, she knows the terrain, he doesn’t
This isn’t about making the air smell like lavender
Is about targeted saturation that gives your allies time to bail or endure while the demon is constantly inhaling poison
>Where are her allies going to go? Douma can just call Nakime to warp him out or leave the room himself if she gas bombs it too you know.
Oh come on
This is just nonsense
Douma never calls Nakime during the actual fight
In fact, no Upper Moon ever uses her to “warp out” of danger mid-battle. They only use her to trap or move opponents, not as an emergency teleport button. Stop inventing mechanics
Also if Douma can leave the room, then why didn’t he?
Cause:
>He’s cocky and wanted to toy with Shinobu
>He never saw her as a threat
>The space was already locked into combat
So this "he’ll just leave if things get bad" defense is weak as hell
You could use that logic to say no strategy would ever work “oh he could just teleport away, so why try?”
By that logic, any plan is invalid, including her suicide cause he “could’ve left at any time”
Which makes this argument self-defeating

>>280828189
You should report "me" for spamming if you think all three of those are one person

>>280827791
Didnt imply the story wasnt breaking its own suspension of disbelief. Your mask strategy is just as retarded but you think its smart writing.

Douma isnt magically resisting everything. I never said that. He and every UM have advance poison resistance. Regular methods didnt work.
Now you are getting testy because someone is challenging your strategies. She has shown her intellence by having multiple back up plans when various methods dont work. Specific poisons with different potencies for Douma, injection techniques through different breaths, targeting different points on Douma, delivery speed. She didnt just lay down and quit after the first injection didnt work.

>>280827790
>No the fuck they dont. What manga are you reading?
You seriously want to act like DS doesn’t play fast and loose with biology ?
Tanjiro gets stabbed through organs, still fights at full strength
Zenitsu gets his legs shattered, uses Thunderclap like 15 more times
Gyomei has mortal wounds and continues to fight a top-tier demon while blind and bleeding out
Breathing techs literally slow down bleeding, shock, and death
No, they don’t regrow limbs
But if you’re going to nitpick that while defending a plot where a 100-pound girl poisons herself to become a biochemical bomb, then you just exposed your selective suspension of disbelief
Breathing = superhuman durability in this universe
You don’t get to flip the realism switch only when it's convenient to defend your fave’s dumb decision
>The timed release would delay it poisoning THEM not Douma.
Bro what ?
You’re arguing that a poison trap would somehow hit allies first
Ad not the demon literally standing at the center of it?
This isn't mustard gas in an open field This is a controlled environment likely with Shinobu designing it herself where placement, dosage, and saturation are fully under her control
And again
>Kanao and Inosuke could’ve been masked
>They could’ve left the area beforehand
>Or Shinobu could’ve set a trap while alone, without dying
It’s not that hard
The fact that you can picture every other scenario except the one where the poison expert actually uses her expertise tells me what this really is
You're defending emotional writing, not logic

Why are people debating "slash harder's" "lore" this intensely.

>>280828357
But enough about JJK

>>280828010
>Nakime teleports him out
Still wrong
Still headcanon

Nakime never once teleports an Upper Moon out of danger
She manipulates the terrain to confuse and isolate the slayers not to save demons from dying
If that was her role, Akaza wouldn't have had to fight to the death
Neither would Kokushibo
There’s no scene in the manga where an Upper Moon is rescued mid-fight ever
This "he could just teleport away" idea is nothing more than fanfiction survival logic to justify why Shinobu couldn't set a trap even though she’s literally a trap-based character
If Nakime could just pull demons out of danger, Muzan wouldn't have had to fight alone
So once again
No canon support
Total invention
>They control the battle field, not the humans.
OK? And Shinobu knows that
Which is even more reason to set traps ahead of time
You prep the poison in enemy territory, knowing you’re not the one with control
Saying "they control the battlefield" is just stating the obvious
It doesn’t stop traps from being effective, it makes them necessary.

Also Shinobu goes to his turf anyway with her suicide plan
She still has time to prep that body-full-of-poison tactic
So don’t pretend she couldn’t do anything else. If she could plan her own death, she could plan a gas release
Hell her own death was a timed delivery system
Just an incredibly inefficient one

>>280827945
Not what I said. Douma can pass the info on, Muzan learns about it and now can prepare for it. And you still dont get that Tamayo and Nezuko arent linked to Muzan anymore. He cannot track them at all. Muzan couldnt detect Yushiro's stealth BDA. He didnt know it was him fucking with her, just that she was acting out and he was losing control over her. And she was doing the refining and delivery methods all throughout the fight. What arent you getting here? She was finding out they werent working on the battlefield. She didnt have Douma's dna or blood samples in her lab to work it out ahead of time.

>>280828010
>giving him more time to metabolize it befors any build up happens.
OK? So do what actual poisoners do and escalate the formula
If Shinobu
>Already developed multiple variants
>Had medical data from prior fights
>Understood Douma's body well enough to predict when he’d be weakened
Then she absolutely could’ve
>Delivered a multi-stage toxin
>Designed it for delayed activation or compound reaction
>Used enzymatic inhibitors or toxins that worsen regeneration
Don’t sit here and pretend “slow exposure = auto fail”
That’s only true if she uses the same weak dose over and over
Which she wouldn’t cause she’s the best poisoner in the Demon Slayer Corps
You're pretending Shinobu’s some rookie intern with one bottle of poison and no backup plan fuck outta here
>She cant stay in close contact for long.
Exactly
And that’s why her entire suicide plan is stupid
Cause you're telling me
>She can’t get close long enough to stab him with concentrated poison
>BUT she can get close enough to let him physically eat her, tear through her body, digest her, absorb all of it, and hope it still works?
That’s more exposure time
That’s more contact
That’s way riskier
If she can get in range to be devoured alive, she could have
>Hit him with a large-dose projectile
>Used a remote injector
>Detonated a high-concentration toxin externally
Hell, she could’ve used decoys, trick blades, pinned gas capsules, or even timed inhalants that activate when her sword breaks, literally any method that didn’t require becoming sushi
You’re arguing she couldn’t do a difficult move
So she did a harder, dumber, more lethal one instead
Make it make sense

>>280828025
>That’s a warning about demons building resistance over time not that a single exposure magically alerts the demon king
>It means the longer you drag it out, the higher the chance the demon resists it
This part is headcanon unless there is a page that infers thats how it works.

>>280828251
>Didnt imply the story wasnt breaking its own suspension of disbelief
So... you admit the story’s logic is inconsistent
That’s all I’ve been saying. That’s my entire point
And your response is basically
>Yeah, the writing is dumb... but your idea is even dumber
Which is hilarious, cause my idea:
>Doesn’t require a suicidal waste of the poison expert
>Doesn’t rely on emotional martyrdom
>Does leverage her skills, training, resources, and environment
You’re not defending the canon anymore You’re just mad that someone dared to point out how easily it could have been better
>Douma isnt magically resisting everything. I never said that. He and every UM have advance poison resistance. Regular methods didnt work.
Stop this excuse right now
I’m not proposing “regular methods”
I’m proposing creative, strategic, non-suicidal delivery of ultra-concentrated, custom-made poison
Douma's resistance isn’t magic. It’s just quick metabolism
And guess what counteracts that ?
>Prolonged exposure
>Multi-stage poisons
>Enzyme inhibitors
>Inhalants that don’t rely on bloodstream absorption
And again if his resistance was truly that broken, Shinobu’s entire plan shouldn’t have worked at all
But it did
So all that “his resistance is too strong” talk gets obliterated by the canon outcome
>He was weakened, and Kanao took him out
So don’t say poison doesn’t work it literally did
I’m just pointing out she could’ve used it better

>24 hours later
>jimbo still at it

>>280828251
>She didnt just lay down and quit after the first injection didnt work.
Yeah. She tried variations of the same tactic
Direct injection during melee combat
And when that didn’t work, she didn’t
>Change the delivery method
>Coordinate a team strategy
>Create a non-lethal contingency
She just turned herself into a time-release corpse grenade, hoping the poison would kick in before Kanao got vaporized
And you’re acting like that’s intelligence ?
Nah, that’s desperation
Intelligence is knowing when to adapt your paradigm, not just your dosage
>>280828539
>She didnt have Douma's dna
lolok now we’re treating this like real-world pharmacology ?
I'd use your logic against you
>She didn’t have Douma’s blood, so she couldn’t test things ahead of time
OK
Then she sure as hell shouldn't have based her entire life’s plan on a guess and literally died on it if she couldn’t even confirm it would work
You’re now confirming
>Her plan was not calculated
>She didn’t have actual data
>She tested it in the field with her life
Which is not strategy
Is just Russian roulette with a smile
You just reinforced that she made a fatal decision without the science to back it

this anon is the king of the midwits

>>280828251
>Now you are getting testy because someone is challenging your strategies
Nah
Is just you cornered and flailing
I’ve
>Presented consistent strategy
>Built it on canon abilities
>Exposed flaws in Shinobu’s writing
You’ve:
>Made up Nakime teleport escapes
>Confused resistance with immunity
>Shifted from canon to real-world pharmacology when convenient
>And admitted the story breaks its own logic

>>280828219
>He'll just leave if things get bad defense is weak
It really isnt if you want to think about why certain strategies arent as effective as others. There are too many holes in the gas plan that dont make it as viable an option to implement.
Douma's ice wind abilities
The chance of him escaping
Poisoning yourself and teammates
A strong enough poison he isnt going to just metabolize
Even when Douma was being cocky, he was still breaking the poison down with ease. Its far more likely to poison Shinobu and Kanao before it does anything to Douma.

>>280828624
Nope
Try again
You know what IS in the manga ?
>Poison stopping Muzan, even with his absurd regen
>Shinobu saying Douma’s body is adapting to the poison (paraphrased he’s breaking it down faster)
>Multiple attempts by Shinobu to vary poisons, change injection points, and increase potency all of which show resistance increasing over time
That’s not headcanon
Is basic toxicology, even in fiction
>The more exposure without a kill, the more time the target has to develop tolerance
In other words is a canon-informed logic not fanfic
You don’t need a panel that says “demons build resistance over time” in bold letters to infer that failing to kill someone with a poison = time for their body to adapt
Especially when the manga shows this happening with Douma over the course of the fight
Meanwhile you're just inventing
>Muzan’s psychic alert system
>Instant Nakime-escape plans
>Air freezing dispersal physics without a single panel backing any of it
Be real, if you’re going to demand panel evidence, maybe don’t base your whole defense on stuff the manga never even implies

>>280828343
>No they dont regrow limbs
Then dont say breathing regrows limbs if even you know thats not what happened. And humans have pushed through bleeds and major injuries through adrenaline irl. Some instances are harder to swallow than others (Tanjiro complaining about his foot being broken but being able to use Zenitsu's speed breathing technique) but like I said, never implied the story was without them, just that your strategy also have contrived elements. Sudden gas masks with perfect filtration systems for poisons in Taisho Japan is much harder to just accept as a sudden defense mechanism.
So are you implying she creates some device that doesnt release gas then? Is it injecting poisons through needles instead. You got me mixed up on what this controlled trap is suppose to do because it sounds like its not the gas poison idea but another idea. Funny you brought up Inosuke being masked, because he comes in wearing a board mask that Douma snatches off him in a flash.

>>280828357
I enjoy debates and dissecting arguments.

>>280828856
>Douma's ice wind abilities
Oh so now we’re pretending Douma is a glorified ceiling fan ?
Shinobu doesn’t need the gas to last forever she needs saturation
Even if he disperses some of it, he has to breathe, meaning he’s still inhaling it
More importantly, if this were a real concern, why didn’t he just ice-blow away Shinobu’s blood vapor after he ate her ?
Oh right cause the poison still worked
So either
>Ice wind isn’t a reliable countermeasure
>Or the author forgot his powers work that way
Either way it’s not a legit “hole”
It’s just a “please don’t make her look dumb” plea
>The chance of him escaping
So might every enemy in every battle
And yet nobody uses this logic when any other plan is on the table
Also yhe same is true with Shinobu’s suicide plan. He could’ve just not eaten her
He could’ve sensed something was off
He could’ve spit her out mid-consumption
Her entire strategy hinged on
>Hope he swallows me whole and doesn’t stop once he tastes wisteria
So if we’re disqualifying gas because he might leave, you need to disqualify her entire death plan because it relies on his dumbass curiosity
>A strong enough poison he isnt going to just metabolize
Yup
Which means you DON’T deliver it in weak doses
And you DON’T deliver it in a suicide plan that relies on hope
Instead, you
>Make a concentrated delivery method
>Build a trap or environment where he’s forced to take it in
>Don’t let him metabolize 10% at a time over 10 minutes hit him all at once
You know what would’ve helped with that?
Not blowing your one shot on turning your own body into a meat balloon.

>all this debate
Man, I hope one day when I publish my story, I get people who'll defend my poorly written comic book the way Demon Slayer fans are defending the bad writing.

>>280828856
>Its far more likely to poison Shinobu and Kanao
Wow it's almost like they could use breathing masks
Or release it once they’re out of the room
Or dose the chamber and ambush Douma once it’s weakened him
Your whole gas plan critique only works if
>Shinobu is too stupid to think ahead
>Kanao has no prep time
>And the poisoner of the Demon Slayer Corps doesn’t know how to protect humans from her own toxins
If the plan was “flood the room instantly with murder fog while everyone is still inside, no protection, no retreat” yeah, that would be dumb
But I’m not pitching that. I’m pitching a targeted, controlled deployment, which is completely within Shinobu’s capabilities

You keep moving the goalposts
>Muzan would sense the poison
Which is headcanon
>He’d just leave
Which is never shown
>He’d ice the gas away
Which he didn’t do that with her blood
>Gas would poison allies!
Which is ignoring prep options
>Poison resistance
Which still didn’t save him from her blood

Every single excuse is just another excuse to protect a lazy writing choice
Shinobu died because the story needed a sad scene not because it was the smartest or only way

>>280829180
You literally pissed and shit yourself for three straight days over the reveal of a PNG of a date

>>280828465
>Nakime never once teleports and UM out of danger
True. You got a point.
Shinobu isnt a trapped based character, she's more of a debuff character. Cant recall her ever utilizing a trap. Her expertise is speed, quick reflexes and poisons.
Shinobu nor any of the corps members know the workings of the IF, its new terrain entirely thats constantly warping where up becomes down and what not. Not a stable environment in any sense. Would be very difficult to try setting up a trap in an environment like that. I still think the gas release has too many cons to be really reliable.

>>280829140
>Then dont say breathing regrows limbs if even you know thats not what happened.
Nah
Never actually said that. That was clearly a hyperbolic roast of how DS handles human biology
And let me remind you that characters tank fatal wounds and fight like nothing happened by breathing real hard

Tanjiro and Giyuu loses an arm and keeps going
Zenitsu moves like a lightning bolt with shattered legs
Gyomei is blind and still crushes
Muichiro gets cut in half and is the reason why Kokushibo gets defeated
No one thinks they regrow limbs
But if you’re gonna sit there and argue that gas masks are “too unrealistic” while defending magic sword breathing that halts bleeding and powers up humans into building-smashing gods, you’re not enforcing realism
You’re just enforcing selective disbelief to protect your headcanon
>humans have pushed through bleeds and major injuries through adrenaline irl.
And people also die from a shallow gut wound. What’s your point ?
You can’t cherry-pick real-life adrenaline response as an excuse for why Kanao and Shinobu would die from exposure to wisteria gas, while ignoring that this same series lets kids
>Ignore broken bones
>Fight after losing eyes
>Survive burns, poison, impalement, and decapitation-length wounds
The world of DS already established that humans can handle extreme duress. So no, is not a stretch to say they could
>Wear basic protection
>Hold their breath (their entire fighting style is literally breath-based discipline)
>Endure minor exposure while a demon is getting full-on dosed

>>280828833
Reminder he will talk to himself

>>280828570
She did use data from other fights, but they were all low tier fodder demon and maybe some lower moons. Upper moons are another level. She anticipated he was going to need a lot more poison than the lower tier demons. Again, she couldnt test it ahead of time on Douma's biological make up when she didnt have that resourcw available. Her strongest dose in her sword also failed when it was immediately released. How would a slow release be more effective?
>She can get close enough to let him physically eat her
Douma grabbed her in free fall and held onto her to absorb her. He beat her within an inch of her life. You make it sound like she was just throwing her hands up and intentionally trying to get eaten. She knew if she failed, Douma would eat her. Thats why she had that final poison nuke back up plan. If she failed and died, then that plan starts going into motion.
Again she isnt a trap master who has ever used methods like decoys or gas capsules. If she just suddenly pulled out all these gadgets just for Douma's fight, then that would be contrived because she has never fought like that.

>>280829140
>Sudden gas masks with perfect filtration systems for poisons in Taisho Japan is much harder to just accept as a sudden defense mechanism
Nope
WW1
This is literally the WW1 era, and guess what ? Gas masks already existed
And even if we stretch the setting rules, Shinobu
>Is a scientist and medical specialist
>Makes advanced poisons
>Engineers surgical-grade weaponized compounds
>Runs a high-functioning medical facility for slayers
You're telling me she can
>Create 700x concentrated demon poison
>But not rig a cloth mask, or a basic wisteria filter, or give allies a counter-agent antidote ?
That’s not even a stretch, is just underutilized logic in the story cause the writer didn’t care to explore it
>it sounds like its not the gas poison idea but another idea.
Nah
You're just not paying attention
A controlled poison delivery method that
Doesn’t require Shinobu to die
Weakens Douma enough for others to finish the job
Is more intelligent and tactical than suicide
Like
>Aerosol-based release in a confined space
Yes, gas
Use it after allies leave or with breath-holding techniques/masks
>Delayed injection delivery
Internal trap in her blade or sleeves that injects more potent poison without relying on being eaten
>Projectile poison capsule
Breakable vial or dart-like object with custom formula, delivered when his guard is down

These aren’t complicated
They’re the kind of creative solutions you'd expect from the Hashira with poison mastery
Not “hope he eats me whole and I don’t get spit out”

>>280829140
>he comes in wearing a board mask that Douma snatches off him in a flash.
Yeah. So ?
His mask is made of boar skin, not a gas filtration device
The point was characters can wear headgear during battle
If they can do that, Shinobu can design basic protection for wisteria gas
Also Inosuke didn’t need to keep the mask to survive
If the poison is dropped after allies retreat, they wouldn’t need it long anyway The trap isn't supposed to kill the demon instantly
It's supposed to weaken him over time, just like her corpse plan did but without dying


Shinobu
>Knew poison was her only weapon
>Had access to data, tools, allies, and time
>Still chose the dumbest, most inefficient plan possible aka death by demon digestion
I just pointed out 5+ better strategies that used the same knowledge, the same setting, and the same stakes but didn’t waste her life
I'm not making stuff up
Just doing what the writer should’ve done
Respect the intelligence of a character who was built to be smart not sad

Have you considered writing a fanfiction, anon?

>>280829570
>She did use data from other fights, but they were all low tier fodder demon and maybe some lower moons.
Wait so let me get this straight
>She had data and experience fighting demons
>She knew Douma was UM2
>She knew he’d be more resistant than the others
>And she still didn’t try anything smarter than “hope he eats me” ?
You’ve just admitted she walked into this fight half-prepared
Not because she lacked options, but because she chose emotional vengeance over strategic thinking
And if you're saying
>Well, she didn’t know how strong his biology was.
Then why the fuck would she gamble her only life on a plan she couldn’t test, verify, or guarantee ?
That’s not courage, is just narrative negligence
>Her strongest dose in her sword also failed when it was immediately released. How would a slow release be more effective?
Cause 1 that wasn’t a stronger dose, it was her standard escalating variant
And 2 she didn't dump 700x concentrated wisteria through her sword
That was only in her body
You're comparing basic blade delivery to a literal chemical overdose
And yes slow release + environmental saturation can absolutely be more effective because
>It bypasses the bloodstream/immune response bottleneck
>It constantly introduces poison to the system
>It weakens without giving the demon a clean regen window.
You’re acting like poison only works if it’s all at once
But her own plan proves that’s not true She got eaten, he digested her over minutes, and that’s what allowed the kill shot
That’s slow delivery

>>280829570
>You make it sound like she was just throwing her hands up and intentionally trying to get eaten.
Bro it’s worse than that
She knew she’d lose in a fight
She built her body as a walking poison bomb
She didn’t coordinate a full strategy
She didn’t even try to escape
She counted on being eaten
That’s not a backup plan... That’s plan A, and everything else was stalling until that happened
She literally tells Kanao that if she fails, the poison will kick in, and it will be Kanao’s job to finish it
You don’t plan your own digestion unless you’re expecting it
Stop pretending this was some desperate "last-minute" fallback
It was the main tactic
>Again she isnt a trap master who has ever used methods like decoys or gas capsules.
Dude she’s capable of
>Engineering 700x lethal poison
>Altering her own metabolism to synthesize and store it
>Designing medical procedures and treatment for Demon Slayer Corps members
But she can’t whip up a single environmental toxin, slow-release trap, or capsule ?
Give me a break
That’s not “staying true to her style”
Is just the writer refusing to let a smart character behave smartly, cause a sad death was more dramatic
Also just because she hasn't used gas before doesn’t mean she couldn’t
Are we now pretending characters can’t expand their toolkits ?
Zenitsu didn’t use Thunderclap spam until late in the series
Tanjiro switches breathing styles mid-story
Inosuke evolves techniques literally on the fly
But Shinobu? No, she has to use only what we’ve seen and nothing else or it’s “contrived”
That’s a ridiculous double standard

>>280829815
Sometimes
Though haven't really thought much about it
Been a long time since I last wrote fanfics and I have issues committing lol

>>280829847
>>280829980
Neutral third party here. You are getting cooked by the other dude I'm afraid.

>>280830165
Nah

I find outrageous that there’s no duo ultimate with Giyuu and Tanjirou
https://youtu.be/BFf5t2DKJZI?si=3RSD0r7GHpAHUhxX

>>280829631
>>280829571
>>280829847
>>280829980
The reply chain is a mess now so how about we keep it to one reply chain instead of multiple.
The trio didn't expand their toolkits, they expanded their main techniques. Zenitsu's thunderclap spam is still thunder breathing, Tanijro's style shift was established early on in the story and built on, and Inosuke's technique is still beast breathing. Shinobu suddenly whipping out traps and bombs when she primarily delivers poisons with insect breathing would be completely out of left field. It's never been a thing she does or even alludes to knowing how to do.
>And she still didn’t try anything smarter than “hope he eats me” ?
You keep flip flopping between acknowledging that she used multiple adminstrations of delivering poison and potencies and not trying anything other than getting eaten.
She is working with limited knowledge of this demon's biological makeup with her only test subjects being low level demons.

What does Pig Man's breathing style even do. He makes no sense and has no real theme to it.

>>280830704
Pig physics

>>280830738

>>280830704
Cute pig

>>280830878
Yes. He gets the ladies. Breathing style still doesn't make any sense though.

>>280830666
Anyway its late as shit so I'm going to bed. This debate was fun if incredibly autistic.

>>280830906
I just see it like wind breathing but more savage

>>280831080
Is it any good?

>>280827206
it's the same retard
look at the way the posts are structured

>>280830906
I don't think it's supposed to really make sense. It's just him using his weapons in a savage "beastlike" way. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one to even make up beast breathing one day randomly. It almost feels like something he just made up and it sort of works. Like when he used his weapons as a saw or how his "explosive rush" was just him running in a straight line, surely it's just him making shit up

>>280820492 (OP)
Bleach? Also lost

I want them to help me and my little sister Kanao-chan to bear kids.

>>280826332
It probably would have worked out. Douma is autistic enough to be totally disassociated from his emotions, since he's not behaving like a fucking robot - he DOES feel them, even if they elude his comprehension.
Kotoha is a perfect example, wanting to keep her around after she learned his identity is completely illogical and irrational. It doesn't come from a place of cold, robotic logic, it comes from somewhere else. Dude genuinely just needed a therapist(and not meet Muzan).
Inosuke would probably be a clusterfuck and Douma would turn him after he came of age.

>>280827832
More like shinobusisters.
It goes 1st half of Douma fight(7/10), Zenitsu Fight(10/10), to Ufo just fucking flexing on everyone with Akaza(12/10)

>>280833649
But didn’t Douma state that he would keep Kotoha alive? The same thing would have applied for Inosuke, just that both of them would have been brainwashed with cult shit and genuinely become a house of horror.

>>280829489
I noticed that. im glad his meth finally wore off and it stopped so the thread can actually be decent.

>>280833748
Dude, shinobu went from a non fight to a proper fight that was better than zenitsu's.

>>280821424
Seems like that being turned into a demon, no matter the circumstances, count as corruption of body and mind. So going into hell is more a requirement to purify the spirit rather than an actual punishment by itself. Ume’s situation was kinda unique since she didn’t turn into a demon the normal way, she was basically dead and when gyutaro met Douma, they simply revived her using muzan’s and gyutaro’s blood and cells

>>280821424
>>280834028
If turning into a demon was enough to condemn you to Hell, Nezuko would 100% go there. I guess it's sidestepped by the fact that she becomes human with a drug, thereby cheating the afterlife. Akaza 100% deserved to go to Hell. Tamayo is a gray area because she wanted to live for for her husband and child, but she felt she deserve Hell for that. Daki stabbed that samurai and became a demon kinda against her will (you need both a desire and Muzan's approval for that) but it's settled by choosing to follow her brother, who was a 100% case like Akaza.

>>280825701
He would’ve acquired her biology by studing her cells after absorbing her.
It has nothing to do with her technique. One thing are physical mutations a la pillar men that expert demons can do, the blood arts are a power system completely integrated into the personality of the demon

>>280830666
>The trio didn't expand their toolkits, they expanded their main techniques.
Nah
That's just pedantic nonsense
When a character uses their core skill in a new, unexpected, or advanced way that's called expanding their toolkit
Period
Zenitsu went from crying in a bush to casually pulling off sixfold Thunderclap spam like a human stun grenade
That’s evolution
Tanjiro didn't just shift styles
He literally learned to chain two separate breathing styles mid-combat something no one else does
Inosuke invented beast breathing's techniques himself, on the fly, in the mountains, with no trainer, and constantly creates new moves through instinct
But Shinobu who is
>A medical expert
>A toxicologist
>A Hashira who fought dozens of demons
>Literally runs the Demon Slayer medical division
Can’t possibly come up with a gas-based or trap-based delivery method for poison?
Nah. That’s not “breaking her style”
That’s using her established talents in smarter ways
You’re trying to argue that expanding technique = okay but expanding application = contrived
That’s a BS double standard, and it’s exclusively being applied to Shinobu to excuse the suicide plot

>>280830666
>You keep flip flopping between acknowledging that she used multiple adminstrations of delivering poison and potencies and not trying anything other than getting eaten.
Am not flip flopping
You just refuse to distinguish between
>Trying different dosages via sword pokes
>And trying actual strategic approaches
She escalated the concentration
She tried different injection points
All within the same melee-based sword poking strategy that we knew wouldn't work
That’s not a “multi-layered tactical plan”
That’s desperately using the same attack with different numbers behind it
You’re pretending that because she adjusted her math, that means she changed the equation
She didn’t
And then, when that fails, she doesn’t retreat, doesn’t regroup, doesn’t even stall long enough to tag in Kanao with a final-dose assist
She just gets eaten and calls that a victory
Her only real tactic was getting eaten. Everything else was just warm-up jabs before pulling the ripcord on her suicide nuke
>She is working with limited knowledge of this demon's biological makeup with her only test subjects being low level demons.
You're pretty much admitting that she had no reason to believe her poison plan would work, which makes the suicide gamble even dumber
If she couldn’t test it, couldn’t verify it, and knew UMa were biologically superior then relying on the plan working after she’s dead is the worst tactical call she could’ve made
She didn’t know enough about Douma to craft a reliable poison
So she decided to die and hope for the best
Which is not a heroic plan, is just a desperate coin flip and worse, it leaves her adopted sister alone to deal with the consequences if it fails
That makes her VERY irresponsible and emotionally compromised
She's pretty much a smart character written into a dumb, melodramatic death

>>280830953
Oh sure
You too senpai
Rake care

>>280822781
Only because she chose to

>>280821424
>>280834028
Daki was basically dead and got turned by her brother/Douma without her consent.

Tamayo literally spent years killing random people during her depression did you forget she said "Uh yeah that's true to Muzan accusing her of doing that"

By the way, what everyone, except jimbo, knew
>I'm a woman btw

>>280835128
Fake and queer

>>280835128
My FVARKING HEROINE

>>280835128
She needs to show tits or gtfo

>>280835128
Fake. Wikipedia would salivate the opportunity to call the MTF tranny a woman first chance they get.

Nobody outside your Latinx fandom calls the KnY hack a woman.

>>280822597
Crazy how modern /a/ casually shills trannytubers and nobody bats an eyelid nowadays

>>280825083
Alreayd happening. Netflix, Amazon, etc. have input in what is allowed when dealing with production committees

>>280825900
>So you're saying Shinobu the poison expert would create a gas trap that kills her own allies and not account for that
Would the IJA have used Shinobu's descendants in WWII for war criming?

>>280833824
Yes. Douma had no plans on killing her and wanted to keep her around because of her beauty. It's jsut that she found out about his murdering and that was that.

>>280835128
True and valid

>>280822597
kys tranny, stop promoting your shitty channel

Shinobu had all 109 different poison gadgets she created to fight Douma. Sadly she was teleported with only her sword and nothing else.

>>280835128
>I'm sorry
kek

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>>280836195
The kimetsu wall should come back.

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>>280835128
Shueisha have just let this person keep a fake impersonation twitter for seven or eight years

>>280821424
Daki was going to a less bad hell separate from Gyutaro, not heaven. because she didn't have his all consuming misanthropy

>>280820492 (OP)
Saw it in theaters since I’m in Japan.
The quality was amazing, no doubt but I gotta say, Ufotable’s take on Akaza’s final move didn’t feel lore-friendly at all.
That wasn’t a Blood Demon Art, that was straight-up a Servant’s anti-army Noble Phantasm.

>>280833324
Bleach is father of Demon Slayer.

>>280836916
It reminds me of mini ice doumas.
AND the scene delivered on the fireworks so I'm not complaining about its depiction.

>>280835845
This joke only proves my point again
She walked into a fight with UM2 the same guy who killed her sister knowing full well she couldn’t beat him in straight combat, and brought nothing but a stick of poison metal
That’s either
>A failure of planning on her part
>A failure of writing on the author's part
>Or both
Because if you’re expecting me to believe the poison master of the Demon Slayer Corps would only prepare a single melee-based weapon, and had no secondary tools, traps, airborne variants, or even contingency plans she could pass to her allies then you're telling me she's either
>Incompetent,
or
>Sabotaged by plot for the sake of tragedy
There is no “genius tactician” in that equation
Only bad decisions and a convenient death scene
>Sadly she was teleported with only her sword and nothing else.
Oh right, Nakime's eye-teleporting labyrinth of despair
Which just raises more questions
>So Shinobu knew they were heading into a war zone against the top-ranking demons
>She had time to develop ultra-high-potency poisons
>And instead of distributing tools, traps, or anything to the other slayers
>She just wandered in with nothing but her katana and her own organs as a last resort?
Imagine Batman showing up to fight Bane with nothing but a sharpened batarang and yelling “I hope he eats me!”
You’d laugh cause it’s stupid
And you want to act like it’s my fault for pointing out that the world’s best poisoner forgot to pack a go-bag?
Nah

If Shinobu had other tools, the story didn’t use them
If she could’ve created better delivery systems, the story ignored that potential
And if she was teleported unarmed, then the plan to kill Douma via digestion was even less reliable, because she had no backup and no support

So what’s left?
A supposedly ''smart'' (except not really) character doing everything the hard way just so the plot can squeeze out a tragic death for the feels

>>280836916
It's like anime Zenitsu needing to fly at the speed of sound for a couple minutes beheading Daki while Tengen fights, but also still be close enough to the entertainment district for nearly dead Inosuke to be able to catch up to him. Just don't worry about it

>>280836916
The Infinity Castle battle is literally the Third Holy Grail War.
Nasu Kinoko, being a longtime KnY fan, would probably jump at the chance to fold that into the lore.

>>280836916
Douma and Kokushibou better get the same treatment for their attacks(for douma mainly just his statue but for Koku i want all of his attacks to feel that way)

>>280837037
Koku will get that for the grand finale.
That shit is hard.

>>280836916
>That wasn’t a Blood Demon Art, that was straight-up a Servant’s anti-army Noble Phantasm.
The summoning clones is a little odd and they showed a larger scale of how much collateral damage it does, but the end result is accurate to the technique's description: over a hundred blasts coming from all directions. I guess ufotable didn't want Akaza rotating like a beyblade in order to convey it as a 360 degrees attack, so the compass clones had to exist in animated form.

I wonder how CyberConnect 2 will render the attack in the new game, they usually follow the anime interpretation of the attacks but sometimes they do go their own way by doing their interpretation of the manga.

>>280837037
Kokushibo is literally the Saber Alter of the KnY universe,
so for Ufotable, animating him probably feels like making Heaven’s Feel all over again.

>>280837139
but he also has the crescent moons inside his energy slashes(that can be broken, like when Gyomei's wepon hits them) so it will be interesting to see how they handle them
i just hope they both have attacks that feel as powerful as Akaza's last attack

>>280836916
>>280837130
No problem at all — the visuals were peak kino.
Fuck lore friendly bullshit.
Just make every character's move more Fate-like.

Talked with Ufotable just a moment ago.

Douma’s statue destroys the entire Lily castle they were fighting in. It’s much bigger than than in the manga.

Kokushibo on the other hand cuts the whole Infinity castle in half.

>>280836916
What bothered me more was Ufotable’s loud “BEHOLD OUR AMAZING OPEN-WORLD INFINITY CASTLE CGI AND HYPER ANIMATION!!” energy.
Because of that, they added all these over-the-top stage transition scenes — mostly with Giyuu and Akaza clashing and flying around — while Tanjiro is constantly scrambling to keep up.
So even though it’s supposed to be a 2v1, it feels like we’re just watching alternating 1v1s most of the time.

In the manga, I remember it feeling more like Phantom Menace ,an actual coordinated two-on-one fight with solid teamwork.

>>280837412
In the manga Tanjiro and Giyu never fought side by side as equals. Giyu was fighting Akaza and Tanjiro only engaged when he saw an opening.

>>280837394
i wish

I just realized that the entrance into the infinite fortress in the anime feels like the parachute dropping into a battle royale video game now
it was more claustrophobic in the manga so I never made that connection

>>280834103
No, the key point that the story draw the line is whether or not the demon kill someone and eat them
Nezuko specifically never touch human flesh when she turned due to the timely intervention of her brother and Giyuu

Surely ufotable will fix muzan fight... right?

I'm looking forward to the third movie when the fortress is destroyed. You know they're going to go apeshit smashing up all the modelling work they did. Also eatme-kun

>>280837599
No they will make it WORSE just for you

>>280837599
How could they fix it? I know the baby ending is kind of weird and boring and an unsatisfying death, but what else could they do? Remove the baby rage Voldemort death and do something else, maybe where Tanjiro holds Muzan with his sword preventing him from getting out of the sunlight (like Rengoku tried to do with Akaza) and kill him in his white-haired form? That would be cool I think.

>>280837599
It’s perfect as is. Just add interesting choreo. And abe cut of the truck hitting Muzan.

>>280837684
The end of the fight is great, driving the fucking cars into it and the kakushi that ignore kiriya telling them to pull back really stick out in my mind

The thing I didn't like during serialization is the transition from all the slayers fighting to the period that tanjiro 1v1ed was pretty rough

>>280837599
There is nothing to fix. Muzan is simply suck at fighting because he never have to fight for his life. He rely on brute strength and once it doesn't work anymore, he was a goner.

>>280837684
Give it actual choreography, for one.
Just give him a bunch of blood arts too.

>>280837769
That would defeat the purpose of the fight. Muzan doesn't think he need blood art from his lowly followers. We don't even know if he can copy blood art or not

>>280837769
It would honestly suck if they gave Muzan a bunch of flippy dip kung fu fight choreography, he was supposed to be "fighting" completely out of contempt until the very end

>>280837599
Ufo will for sure play around with his body mouths. Catching blades in them, biting, firing blood lasers. Another think I would love to see is more body morphing. Like turning into something more animalistic. Maybe a dragon?

Tanjiro should have been the Avatar master of all breathing techniques and styled on Muzan 1v1

>>280837684
As long as you’ve got Ufotable’s animation, direction, and Go Shiina’s soundtrack, it’s guaranteed kino.
Honestly, Transparent World looked kinda cringe when I first saw it in the manga —
never thought the anime would make it hit that hard. Gave me chills.

>>280837868
get thee gone powerscaler

>>280837826
dragon sounds stupid, muzan doesn't care about art or myths to bother. Anything you add should be cronenberg shit highlighting his zero-humanity biohorror nature

>>280837941
It doesn’t have to be a pretty dragon. Like an abomination or forgive me for the reference scp 682.

>>280837888
he has two and one of them is the source of all others
we should have at least seen multiple hashira do sweet combo techniques to devastating effect

I just off the call from Ufotable.
You won’t believe it. They are changing the ending. They are adding a new arc where Demon King Tanjiro escapes and the story continues with Nezuko, Inosuke and Zenitsu as the main three now.

>>280838043
I'd unironically read something with demon king tanjirou if only to see the potato king act edgy and evil.

>>280837684
>the baby ending is kind of weird and boring and an unsatisfying death
You weren't there when it happened, right? Himejima choking baby was well received

>Infinity Castle Part 2 will air in 2027 and Infinity Castle Part 3 will air in 2029
Say it ain't so

>Jeremy is falseflaging in wsj thread

>>280838297
it's probably true but the "reports" of it all are bullshit based on clickbait hellholes repeating each other. same with the 3 and a half year production time based on MTL of a pamphlet talking about something else completely

>>280838297
Could they do it? Finish the whole adaptation after Koku’s death in a 3 hour movie?

>>280838297
If this is the leak from anime rave then it's unreliable

>>280838043
>Demon King Tanjiro escapes
and gets gunned down by military
no matter how powerful muzan seemed to be, his days were numbered anyway

>>280838297
Slop anime "news" websites, which are actually blogs, are the only ones reporting on this and they just copy each other's headlines. Wait for the end of year reels, or the March one, for solid and official news on when the next movie comes out.

>>280838354
Guns seems to be too slow for upper tier characters in Demon slayer. With instant regen, slow motion perception, Demon King Tanjiro should be fine.

>>280838297
>watch part 1
>two hours in
>no sign of Kokushibo fight happening
PLEASE tell me they didn't actually split the last leg into THREE parts

>>280838354
Guns don't work because Muzan could just regenerate over his wounds almost instantly. It would be like shooting at water. The biggest hurdle anyone who want to kill Muzan must overcome is his fucking insane rate of regeneration.

There’s also the question of whether the second and third movies can actually keep up this level of hype.
Let’s be real — the Akaza fight in this one is basically the last proper battle TAnjiro, the MC gets.

And on top of that, KnY already introduced all of its major characters around the Mugen Train arc.
There aren’t any flashy new additions to boost popularity going forward.

So as more characters die off and the cast shrinks, it’s only going to get harder to draw in audiences and push merch through character appeal.
Hell, even the most popular female character in the series just bowed out in this movie.

>>280838433
>is this trilogy that is adapting 60+ chapters three parts?
Yes

>>280838463
nigga I don't follow anime news
I thought this shit would become a two parter not fucking three

>>280838456
Koku's stuff is actually really popular, and the third movie has the whole cast's final stand.
It's probably going to do the best of the bunch.

>>280838456
The second movie will earn the least. If the Kokushibo fight looks better than Akaza, might generate hype
The final one will have an ending boost

>>280838489
You can't fit the rest of the manga in two movies without cutting a lot, the movies are already long as fuck to finish it all.

>>280838498
Iirc Koku was the most favorite fight in IF in one of Japanese poll

>>280823372
The collective IQ in this comment section couldn't break three digits.

>>280838328
And water is wet. What else is new.

>>280838456
That’s why I keep following this shit, even if the character designs look kinda childish.
This and SnK are probably among the few shounen series where the author actually wrote out the entire plot before serialization and stuck to it.
No random characters or plot points showing up halfway through like they were duct-taped in last minute everything’s planned and consistent.

>>280838238
It's comedic but not epic. If you want to defeat a bad guy, you want to do it when he looks like a super powerful bad guy, not a baby. Defeating Darth Sidious wouldn't be as cool if he became a wrinkly baby at the end. Also, they should extend the DKT fight by a lot... to make it peak, they need to have Urokodaki follow Nezuko to T instead of letting her go on her own, and he busts some sweet Water Hashira moves on DKT. While Giyu is talm' bout "BEHEAD HIM" Urokodaki will say that he would rather sacrifice himself than let another one of his students die. He almost dies, removes his mask, we get to see his face, but he survives (otherwise T goes to Hell along with Eren which is bad).

>>280838737
your opinions are pretty stupid

>>280838737
>you want to do it when he looks like a super powerful bad guy
Not necessary, a villain need to be the anti-thesis of the hero and his downfall come from what make him and hero difference. In that sense, Muzan defeat is perfectly fine. because it emphasize his nature, he never grow past the his near-dead experience and his baby form is a reflection of that, a baby that desperately cling to life

>>280838737
You misread the theme and set up behind the fight completely

>>280838350
yeah but they'll cut all the epilogue and final volume extras and end on the prayer over the kamado's graves.

I heard that a lot of manga artists originally start out by copying their favorite manga to practice their drawing techniques. I'm going to copy KnY and see if I improve afterward. Wish me luck

>>280838589
>This and SnK are probably among the few shounen series where the author actually wrote out the entire plot before serialization and stuck to it
Besides the beginning and the end, the author didn't plan the entire story out and was winging it like every other mangaka published on Jump
No such thing as a planned story from the beginning to end exists, Oda said early he planned his story from the beginning then later admitted he wrote by the seat of his pants
You might have a case with AoT, but you can clearly tell the author changed his plans and is easily influenced by other media, which is why you get memes like the Cringevengers because Isayama was inspired by Guardians of the Galaxy

>>280838942
They usually have rough ideas for what they would do (not necessarily get to follow that 100%). In Kimetsu case, we knew croc had a rough outline of the entire manga (croc and Katayama planned it before he was switched with another editor)

>>280838942
baloney

akaza's whole backstory was obviously planned for his first appearance for example, that's why rengoku is a thematic foil for him even though his climax is like 100 chapters later.
the whole thing was outlined

you don't have the tokito and his brother/sanemi and genya threads coming to a head in the big battle that reveals the yoriichi/koku twin brothers story by accident, etc.

>>280823014
Hantengu was fine enough, Pot Fish Demon was completely worthless.

>>280839058
Sabito-Giyuu thing too
Snek backstory was there from the start too. It was hinted in the booklet that came with Jump GIGA in 2017

>>280838003
>one of them is the source of all others
nope

>>280839086
That’s Mr. Potfish to you. And only he and Kokushibo managed to neg diff a Hashira in about a minute. They are: The Strong

>>280839141
I just realized that pillar is Mutilation KEK

>>280838456
The Koku fight is what made Sanemi and Tokito as popular as they ended up being in the first place
I was always downplaying Part 1 myself assuming that Mugen Train was a special social phenomenon, but I think it's pretty clear people just like this shit now, and Koku is the best part of the manga. So I ain't making any more predicitons

>>280838003
>source of all
Reminder that sword style had existed before Sword Jesus joined the group

>>280838846
What's the theme?

>>280839372
"grow up and face death"

>>280838003
Yoriichi made it very clear that every person has their own speciality it will always be better for them to practice what they are good at instead of trying to be something they are not.

Kimetsu reached 9.07 billion today, it'll be reaching 10 billion in Friday, breaking its own record back rom MT.

Parents that have only seen the two movies still don't know what Inosuke's deal is. He hasn't been unmasked for a single frame

>>280839058
That's just purely coincidental for the same reason you can find all these contrasts and parallels in Naruto, it's not that deep
You can't plan a whole story from scratch, especially while working under Weekly Shonen Jump, that's unrealistic and impossible without winging it or some executive meddling

>>280821319
>had a good and virtuous human life
He was a criminal
>had true love for his family
He was essentially forced into line by his step father, not by his own actions
>lived in total peace for 3 years
Wow he was good for the whole lifetime of a toddler?
>avenged the unjust murder of his family, but didn't kill innocents
Oh you mean like when he threatened to kill the first person he saw standing in his way after committing mass murder? Also poisoning a well is not a group activity, not everyone he killed was guilty.
> just says "yes" to the question "can you handle my blood"
Gay
>forgets his human life, but still refuses to kill any women at any point in his demon existence
So he's sexist

He 100% deserved to go to hell.
>muh daki
Her only "crimes" were being a child prostitute and poking out the eye of a pedophile
>Daki, the evil demon who killed probably hundreds or thousands of innocent women
Didn't happen
>"b-but daki sai-"
Unreliable narrator, post proof of her doing this. She also claimed she was an upper moon, daki is known to be delusional

>>280839392
What times is that theme present? The one single time he turns into a baby and doesn't want to die? Shouldn't it happen more than once to be a "theme"? I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

>Gyomei looks at Kokushibo’s dusting body on the ground.
>"You are a monster no more."
>Kokushibo reverts to his human form as he slowly dies
>"I never was."
>walking away Gyomei looks back one more time and sees a broken flute fall out of his kimono
K.O.

>>280839518
Muzan literally means unborn.

>>280839488
There were some details that they winged it but Kimetsu had the plot roughly planned out from the beginning and ended with 20ish volumes like what the editor predicted at chapter 10

>>280839556
And Rengoku means Purgatory.

>>280839586
He didn't chose his surname, muzan chose his name.

>>280839488
edo criminal tattoos vs. ancient samurai lineage
koyuki snowflake
rengoku protected people far weaker than him to the death while being lectured about only the strong mattering

the whole fucking thing was planned on an index card with a pushpin in it on a cork board.

>>280820492 (OP)
Did they get to the baby choking part yet?

>>280839488
If the whole thing is pure winging then wani is a genius

>>280838942
That wasn’t really the case with KnY.
Editor who handled the early part of the series was insanely competent.
He got Gotouge to lay out the full plot and cast from the start, calculated that it’d take about 20+ volumes to wrap up properly,
and then built a roadmap around that for her to follow.

>>280839684
He's the editor for Golem Hearts and Dorondoron so he's got limits

>>280839684
It needs to be mentioned that after Katayama Wani worked with literal newbie editors. For example, Takano admitted that he did nothing much, mostly asking his senior and repeating their suggestions back to Wani.

>>280839715
That's on the writer desu.

>>280839684
Again, Kishi also said he lay out the plot of Naruto, planned Itachi being a good guy all along since Day 1, planned Obito and planned his ending, give or take
Jump mangaka always plans out the general premise and the ending, but have no idea what goes down in the middle because it's impossible to lay out a whole story from a weekly basis
It's not that deep, the author winged it like everyone else

>>280839942
Explain Matsui then. He's known for being planner type not wing it type

>>280839942
Kishi's manga was more than three times longer with a soft reboot in the middle

>>280839488
Naruto never had that kind of consistency.
In Chapter 1, he wasn’t treated as the vessel for the Nine-Tails — he was the Nine-Tails.

It always struck me how WEAK the manga was in exploring moral issues. It constantly paid lip service through Tanjiro, but this was obviously just the usual shounen moral cover bullshit and never took it seriously. So, so many opportunities for Taniro’s moral framework to be challenged which never ever happens. The manga serves it up so many times but utterly fails to grab it. Just trash.

>>280840092
That's not what it's aiming for. You want it to be what it is not.

>>280839942
“Itachi was actually a good guy” doesn’t even count as a plot twist.
It was painfully obvious from the moment he first showed up and fought Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi.
Everyone saw it coming — I saw it coming.

The only twist Kishimoto actually stuck to from beginning to end was Obito.
And even then, planting one key piece of foreshadowing early on?
That’s literally the bare minimum. Every shounen manga does that.

>>280839942
>>280840249
For me it's the aliens twist

>>280839942
At best, Naruto stayed loyal to its original plot up to the Chuunin Exams.
After that, it’s clear there were major rewrites and retcons all over the place.

They turned Hashirama — who was originally summoned just as some Orochimaru fodder that Hiruzen casually dealt with — into ninja Jesus.
Then came the Akatsuki, the Uchiha coup, and a pile of lore that had never even been hinted at before.
All shoehorned in later.

>>280823014
Gyokko gets a lot from being a character about art, with a foil in another parody of an artist in Haganezuka, in a comic book by an artist

it's a self-satire thing

>>280839942
Katayama literally said it he create the plot outlines and hand them to the mangaka.
And most of them can’t even stick to it.
Kishi might be given the plot by his former editor and Naruto didn’t get axed, sure, but it’s obvious Kishi ditched the original plan partway through.

>>280839464
That’s impressive on paper... UNTIL you remember:
>this was achieved with maximum screen saturation (5,000+ daily showings)
>it opened on Marine Day, a national holiday, and rode a summer break wave
Premium formats spammed: IMAX, 4DX, Dolby Atmos, etc
>bundled merch incentives: first-week ticket bonuses, postcard handouts, exclusive content
>And most importantly, it was frontloaded like a warhead
This isn't organic Your Name-style growth. It's a controlled demolition of every possible Day 1 and Week 1 lever they could pull. And it's already starting to taper.

Mugen Train didn't just blow the doors off, it obliterated the box office over time because:
>it opened during a pandemic when no one else was competing
>held uninterrupted for months with zero blockbuster resistance
>had normalfag crossover appeal, from boomers to school kids to people who never touch anime
>ran on a steady tailwind, not a volatile frontload spike
Infinity Castle is none of that.
>it's too long, like theaters-hate-it long (155 minutes)
>it’s Part 1 of 3 so no finality
>the general public isn't watching this repeatedly, it's diehards.
AND it's on a timer. Jurassic World Rebirth, Kamen Rider, and Fantastic Four are around the corner. They also want the premium screens, which Demon Slayer can't hold as hostage for as long as they want. It's bad business for theaters.

You don't get Mugen Train legs in this kind of climate.

it has to be a bot

Anyone else hoping Muichiro gets a longer fight against Kokushibo? I mean he fucked on UM5 like he was nothing, so he should at least hold out a little while longer against Kokushibo than he does in the manga, and then have a few more moves after he's injured before the end. It would just be a little more flashy and interesting if Kokushibo is going up against 3 or 4 at a time, instead of 2 at a time in intervals.

>>280841198
It would be nice if it was.

Also, if we talk about who got it off the easiest, Akaza (2025) got it off the easiest (which is ironic since he's the least "evil" of the top 3 Upper Moons).

Douma (2026) and Kokushibo (2027)? They will get it the worst in the box office war.
>2026
Avengers: Doomsday
Spider-Man: Brand New Day
Toy Story 5
Minions 3
Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey
Fast 11
Shrek 5
Mario 2
Dune
Mandalorian

Literal billion-dollar IPs all about to rape Douma like the summer of '99. Demon Slayer will dominate the Japanese box office, but Marvel will rule the world. Let it sink in that Avengers: Doomsday has a budget of $1 billion dollars. It's the most expensive movie ever made. Disney are betting it all on this one.
>2027
Avengers: Secret Wars
Frozen 3 (very popular in Japan)
Legend of Zelda LA
Batman 2
Spider-Verse finale
Sonic 4
Star Wars

2027 is looking even more intense. Another Avengers movie, Batman 2, Frozen 3 and the long-awaited Spider-Verse finale (good luck to any animated film dropping that same year). Sonic 4 is also dropping and unlike Demon Slayer, Sonic has proven to be a box office juggernaut. Each movie made MORE money than the last.

>>280841638
Yes. Marked Mui feats = Gyokko feats.

>>280841851
All of these movies will be shit tho

>>280841851
>Toy Story 5
wtf why?
that franchise should've ended at 3
also Douma and Kokushibou will be in movie 2 and Muzan will be the final one

>nezuko underwear

>youtube recommended me this
I never saw the thing frame by frame
Also lmao'ing at americans, this is okay for kids to see but some boobs are immediately tagged as +18 and NSFW, the absolute state of america.

>This time for sure there will be a box office war!

>>280842791
Based. Shame they didn't model it off of Nezuko's canon panties though

See this? This is Akaza using 5% of his power

>>280843616
What percent of Akaza's power was used when he did this?

>>280843616
True, but without the mark that isn't Rengoku using 100% of his power. Even with the mark he wouldn't be at 100% because he had fought for a long time on the train previously.

Terrifying

>>280843715
About 15 when he thought Rengoku was him

>>280841638
Muichiro is a glass cannon like Zenitsu. His style is simply water breathing but with an insta-blitz style like the thunder breathing. He works better for shorts fight rather than prolonged ones like himejima and sanemi.
For this reason he managed to kill gyokko so easily. He got the mark while could use his blitzing technique, so he could jump and decapitate gyokko fast

>>280841638
Better yet. Give Genya extended fight scene with Um1
>B-but
Shut up nerd

>>280843743
>Oh! Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. Excellent choice.

>>280843861
Yeah, but as far as I remember his "fight" with UM1 lasts like 2 pages, excluding the moments when UM1 is just trash talking him or asking him to become a demon. And after that's Mui got like one more big move and it was done.

>I AM THE MAIN CHARACTE-ACK!!

>>280844210
realistically what would the slayer corps do if Akaza didn't kill himself for no reason?
>fugly has half a sword
>tanjiro has no sword and can't even stand on his feet
>no one else knows how to counter the premonition
>cutting the head off doesn't work
>nearby demon slayers and pillars are too far away
they would be fucked right?

>>280844453
Yes. He would survive till the end and help Muzan eat either Nezuko or Tanjiro. Unkillable and capable of 1v1 every marked Hashira. Gets killed by Muzan later.

>>280844453
... Hope someone gets the red blade and cuts his head off?
He's still easier than koku.

>>280844561
Koku is lucky that Douma is right under him so Akaza can't challenge him into a blood battle.

ok so did Akaza transfer his consciousness into his spine like Reiner or what? i don't understand

>>280844453
>realistically what would the slayer corps do if Akaza didn't kill himself for no reason?
Nothing, because that scenario is impossible. Good will always prevail over evil, and Hakuji's soul was strong enough to redeem him and reject his demon nature so that he could be reunited with his soul mate in the afterlife.

>>280844617
The final evolution of a demon is tanking a head cut and regenerate it.
Muzan can do it.

>>280844617
They don't need a brain to survive. Source: every demon who had his head smashed/chopped halfway/punched through and healed back up. Akaza was smart enough to figure out the same goes for getting beheaded

>>280844210
>fight Tanjiro won

>>280844709
What do they actually need to survive? What is in their necks that kills them? What if a demon shaped their body so they don't even have a neck?

>>280844453
> for no reason

>>280844997
enmu's neck just became an armored spot

it's a metaphorical thing, you have to have perfectly spurned and forgotten your humanity to become absolutely muzan-like to survive the nichirin beheading

>>280844453
the entire arc is basically the corps barely fucking pulling through with each fight. If literally anyone fucked up or wasn't there giving it 110% they were giga fucked

>>280844453
Even if we had Tengen and Rengoku fighting
If
>Akaza didn't give up
>Douma didn't fuck around
>Muzan didn't get poisoned
They all would have lost.

>>280845177
You forgot koku's PTSD flashbacks.

>>280845213
Yes, if Koku wasn't a chud

>>280845177
>>280845213
>evil demonic villains having non-virtuous psychological character traits which lead to their brutal and violent downfall
>anons arguing about how the villains totally would have won if such and such didn't happen
You missed the entire point of the story.

>>280845177
It all tracked thematically though

like Koku has to play the role like he's a human swordsman that only became a demon to protect his perfected forms from death. When his real blood art is basically just a being a disgusting insect thing that shoots blades in every direction without any pretense of being a warrior. He has to be pushed to let his mask drop, but as he does his self-delusions have to drop too

>>280845281
Akaza's downfall is based on being a good person.
Unlike douma and koku.

>>280821523
>And then he had to defend a village from UM1
I always forget how lucky Tanjiro was with the difficulty progression of random demons he runs into.
Granted, we do get a few times skips of him fighting regular demons.

>>280845281
What the fuck are you talking about? We're talking about hypotheticals.

>>280845177
All of them were too weak of heart.

>>280845373
Okay, what if hypothetically Muzan could shoot lasers out of his cock.

>>280844453
Honestly, the fact that Akaza doesn’t die even after getting his head cut off feels like straight-up cheating the rules.

>>280845630
None of the top 3 UMs die after getting beheaded.
Even Gyuutaro and daki have a way to cheat it and UM4 requires some insane bullshit no single slayer can do.

Why didn't the upper moons just gang up on pillars 4 on 1 while Nakime keeps the others at bay in Narnia? Imagine losing on your home tuft so many times in a row

>>280844210
Why does anime Tanjiro feel so nerfed?
In the manga, he actually looked like he was fighting Akaza, not just barely surviving.

>>280845701
Muzan
is
retarded
5
brains
10 IQ
each

>>280841638
>so he should at least hold out a little while longer against Kokushibo than he does in the manga
No he shouldn't? This is cope from people who speedread the manga. Despite being skilled and talented enough to be a pillar, amongst the rest of them, hes small, young and inexperienced. He lasted exactly how long he should've and Sanemi correctly points that out but for some reason dumb muichirofags think hes cuz he aurafarmed for a bit against Gyokko, hes the next strongest pillar to Gyomei and Sanemi

But that being said, adaptations dont care about accuracy anymore so you probably will get some retarded scene of muichiro going blow for blow with Kokushibo to build up "le hype"

>>280845630
I'm okay with it because like another person said, it's an evolution of demons (with the highest evolution being sunlight immunity). What I take some issue with is him choosing to off himself instead of continuing the fight. Koku did the same thing when he saw his reflection. I really wish we could see what happens if the both of them kept fighting, but they're so strong that they might end up killing all the demon slayers which would end the series, so I get why they had to do it that way.

>>280845717
They buffed Giyu and nerfed Tanjiro. In the manga Tanjiro was carrying that fight and Giyu was getting spanked. Now it's the reverse, which I'm okay with because I like Giyu.

>>280845701
why didn't the corp ravens just fly the poison to muzan?

>>280845688
Douma got decapitated and just straight-up died.

>>280841638
Extended in the sense that Koku wants to see more of Mui's potential, yes
Extended in the sense that he challenges Koku in any way before Sanemi and Gyomei arrive, no

>>280845801
He just kind of gave up, he admits he could manage if he tried a bit.

>>280845733
Does the Sanemi/Iguro 2v1 duel against Muichiro happen in the manga? I forget if it does or doesn't. Anyway, he holds his own against both of them together. He should have been able to do more against Kokushibo... especially if it's the end for him, then he needs some bigger send off than becoming a Chinese Liveleak protagonist.

>>280845630
That's been every single upper moon and even Enmu. Wani did a good job of making the "if they lose their head they die" rule become actually interesting
>enmu moving his neck to the train
>twins needing both of theirs cut off
>Wood Ass hiding his true form and initially making cuts spawn his clones
>Akaza being literally too fucking angry to die and encrouching on Muzan territory of immortality
>Doma being giga poisoned
>UM1 just getting dunked on

>>280845888
it's anime only I'm pretty sure
He hopefully is going to go hard 1 on 1
Not to mention he goes out like a fucking boss

>>280845949
I think his fight will definitely be extended in the 1-on-1. The entire fight could be extended, since it'll be the centerpiece of the second movie, and Giyu/Akaza got a lot of new scenes.

>>280845858
Douma tried to be like Akaza — or more accurately, he hoped he could become that.
But in the end, he just couldn’t pull it off.

>>280845630
Gyokko doesn't die after you cut off his head. By all means he has already reached "those" heights Kokushibo was talking about.

>>280845630
This.
It’s like the ball clearly hit the back of the net, but VAR still calls it no goal for some bullshit reason.
Same with Kokushibo — that whole “Akaza with no head still fighting” sequence was just unnecessary.

>>280846229
That just shows you don't understand the manga, which is weird because it was straight forward. he was becoming like Muzan who is immune to beheading

>>280844617
Demons are magical beings, they can talk without lungs (as a head only), move their body while headless (even though there is no brain to control the muscles.

>>280846229
Actually, it’s more like lining up the perfect shot into an open net and then bam, some bullshit metal shutter slams down right before the ball goes in.

>>280844617
He was becoming like Muzan. Muzan explicitly has multiple brains and hearts so whenever one has its connection severed he can just regrow it

so knowing this it's likely Akaza was growing another heart/brain somewhere else in his body at that moment and entering that next stage of evolution

>>280846229
They all are reaching a status similar to Muzan, which requires only reddened blades or the sun to kill them. Which kinda makes sense even chronogically (muzan reached that after 500 years, koku is juet 500 years old while akaza is speedrunning it while being over 300).
They both still have ended up dying for it because , the moment a demon get decapitated, muzan’s blood and cells get weakened or straight up severed, and so they regain their humanity alongside the memories muzan has erased/corrupted.
For this reason both imagined muzan as a faustian devil suggesting them to fight again, but both lost to their own humanity and were unable to do so.
On the other hands, Douma would’ve probably succeded in that unlike the two, both he was too weak to do that both by being younger than the two (only 200 years old, or still younger than akaza since he speedrunned his rising in the hyerarchy) and being hyper poisoned by Shinobu

>>280843446
Don't worry about that. There's plenty of box office warfare right now. Jurassic World, Superman and Fantastic Four are all fighting for box office dominance, with Jurassic World standing on top. $652M and still climbing. This is also the one Japanese Demon Slayer fans are most scared of, because they fear it'll cut its box office short by Week 3. That's when legs are tested. That's also when general audiences either keep showing up or vanish. And theaters will absolutely cut Demon Slayer screenings to give Jurassic more space if it stays hot. That's just math.

Then there's Kamen Rider who wants a slice of that pie too and there's Kokuhou who Japanese cinephiles WILL rewatch again and again to combat anime dominating Japanese cinema.

By the way, Fantastic Four is projected to make $24-27M in preview (biggest Thursday of the year) and tracking to a $190M-$210M worldwide opening. That’s HUGE for a franchise that’s been box office poison for nearly 20 years. It means this reboot is hitting way above expectations, and Disney’s marketing team finally did something right. Also, Fantastic Four pulled $317K in pre-sales already in China, with just 20,000 screenings open. Beating Superman's pre-sales ($280K), which already had buzz and ONLY trailing behind Jurassic World Rebirth ($390K), which is a known IP with legacy pull in China.

In other words: China is back to blockbuster hunting (Fantastic Four is also a setup to Doomsday). And they're not hunting anime movies right now. Which means Infinity Castle's international ceiling is under even more pressure. Remember, Mugen Train made around $44-45M from Asia outside Japan and that's without China (Infinity Castle isn't getting China either).

>>280846678
>who Japanese cinephiles WILL rewatch again and again to combat anime dominating Japanese cinema.
You can't even post in english anymore.

>>280845701
Nakime isn't that capable. She would have to:
> Move three UMs without being obvious about it to the position of each target (expect the crows would pick up on it and the slayers would likely run away from Muzan and take the UMs with them).
> While at it, stop every single Hashira from getting to Muzan while also defending herself.
Unless she had the power to teleport Demons around this idea doesn't work.

>>280845688
Gyutaro and Hantengu were built that way from the start
their whole body mechanics were part of their design, and that’s why they earned their spot among the Upper Ranks.

>>280846782
>Unless she had the power to teleport Demons around this idea doesn't work.
I mean, she does, she has absolute control of anything going on in the fortress but muzan's GREAT idea was having her get distracted stalling two pillars.

>>280846739
give him a break, dude's been at it day in and day out for like a week now

>>280846678
>That's when legs are tested.
You said they'd be tested after weekend.
Then on week two.
Now it's week three.
Kimetsu will outslast JW in japan.

What's funny is the movie has already outgrossed the latest MHA movie

>>280846950
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>280846950
It has outgrossed everything released in japan this year, except from conan which ran away from kimetsu.

>>280846950
I'm pretty sure both Mugen train and JJK 0 outgrossed the entire MHA franchise, all 4 or 5 of those shitty movies (I lost count)

>>280846950
MHA is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It knew what it was and stuck to its lane. Demon Slayer tries to go up against Hollywood and soon enough, Aniplex/Sony will get a HARD reality check that they're nothing more but a small fish in a big pond and their bog standard battle shounen anime is just a dime a dozen. And they'll get reality checks for 3 full years which makes it biblical.

>>280847053
>And they'll get reality checks for 3 full years which makes it biblical.
yeah, nothing quite like going for a 300 million movie with a 20 million budget with japanese audiences going crazy for it.
And it's synergizing with the original source material and selling merch like crazy.

>>280847053
what is this weird headcanon
the fuck is MHA's lane? The fujo cuck lane?

Damn, I miss Nezuko.
It'll be quite a while 'til we see her again...
At least she'll be speaking

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>>280847111
You’re talking about synergy like it’s 2020 again. Meanwhile:
>The franchise is pulling franchise fans and only franchise fans
>Merch will sell, but so does Pokemon plush. Doesn't make every movie a global phenomenon
Andn$300M is generous as fuck considering:
>Japan can’t carry the USD value anymore
>No China release
>Diminished Western interest
>Summer competition is about to gut it
You say biblical like it's a blessing, but what's actually biblical is watching your anime Jesus get crucified by Jurassic World in Week 3. Enjoy your merch. I’ll be over here watching you cope through the rest of the trilogy like it's Stations of the Cross as every blockbuster hit will cut its box office short. From the Avengers, to Shrek, to Toy Story and to even Miles Morales.

>>280845744
We did see what happens since Kokushibo insisted on continuing to fight. We know it takes a very strong willpower alongside demon strength to survive their decapitation. By association, if you halt their "hype" even by a second in such a important moment they are bound to fail.
In Koku's case he likely had to spend much more energy than Akaza to grow his head back since he was damaged by red blades.
> what if the didn't see his reflection
I don't think anything would change. The fact that a second of contemplation was enough to trigger the decay of his body in such a manner goes to show that he was already on the ropes and practically done for. By his side stood a unhurt marked Gyomei, he was done for either way. The reflection scene was just there to build into his backstory. My man was a walking corpse well before.