>be Mihawk
>do nothing
>win anyway
the upscale is out of control
I am not attracted to Boa Hancock. I would resist her power easily.
>>280832786then youโre literally gay like Koby
I am the strongest (and most beautiful) female character in the One Piece verse.
>>280832791he literally beat off mihawk at marineford
>>280832805No I just don't like black hair. Boa could never beat me. She would be fuming in rage.
>>280832731 (OP)Nothing about Rocks and Harald is Mihawk upscale. They clashed 56 years ago, before Mihawk was even born
>>280832806Yamato-chanโฆ
>>280832806We know, Yamato.
Fraudo's title? Invalid.
Whitebeard and Mihawk's titles? Valid.
All titles in OP dont matter because they dont include WG people. If Imu picks a basic ass sword hes the WSM by default
>>280832917Mihawk would kill Nusjuro.
>>280832822Hancock haters forgetting she's got a whole arsenal of moves other than petrification
>>280832917What makes you think Imu would surpass everyone's skill with a sword?
>>280832936Does it matter? He could use it like a hammer like Rocks did and beat Shanks and Mihawk to death both at the same time which means hes the WSS and WSM at the same time.
>>280832731 (OP)>Mihawkfag hating post-timeskip ZoroNigga post-ts Zoro is literally Mihawk Jr.
Elbaph owes me a giant GF
>>280832961I'm not sure that's how it works...
>>280832928I would still resist it. She wouldn't hurt me. She would know she can't win and move on. She is an inferior woman. I only like blondes.
>>280832957>I'm more than enoughIn retrospect, Shanks' entire crew is so vastly superior to anyone in the east blue and to such a ridiculous extent that it's weird for Beckman to even say this.
>>280832970Yes it is though. People with sword = swordsman = beats all other swordsmen = WSS in which case Imu with a sword beats everyone in the story as such hes the WSS
>>280832983>algoslop in charge of ears
>>280832786anon one kick is enough for her she does not need you to get hard
>>280832731 (OP)>fuck PeronaCanon
>>280832791>manga has over 9000 characters>"how strong is character #5432 (who hasn't appeared in 15 years)?"I swear One Piece has the most autistic fans out of all shonens
>>280833024She wouldn't try it because she knows she can't win. I will never fall for her so she would cut her loss and scram. Boa Hancock would not beat me.
>>280833067but are they yonko commander 4 level, or yonko commander 5 level?
>>280832791You already know
How come One Piece doesn't really have "hax" abilities like most other shonen do? All fights in OP are more or less about brute force and/or tactics but you very rarely if ever see abilities involve that are too tricky to deal with with raw power. I'm excluding pre-haki logia
I am stronger than Jack the Drought.
>>280833079>but is he this arbitrary level, or that arbitrary level
>>280833113Sugar? I'd also argue Luffy's Gear 5 toon force is hax.
>>280833113Haki renders hax largely useless
>>280832791>>280833109Realistically, Vista should currently be either the second or third strongest swordsman in the world "officially"
Shiryu is probably stronger and I'm not counting Nusjuro or Shanks
>>280833119>>280833129Yeah but it was shown that Sugar was useless in combat, and as
>>280833131 says it's more thank likely that her ability can be shrugged off with haki. Sugar was never depicted as a fighter
Gear 5 probably counts as hax though yeah
>>280833184I wonder if dragon will really end up having a weather fruit or if it's so obvious that Oda will change it
>>280833156Gear 5 can be brute forced by strong enough
guess what
H A K I
so yeah, i guess haki is indeed the great equalizer. which kinda sucks, because it takes away from the uniqueness OP had at the start.
and yet, at the same time, i do get it, because things would be fucking insane if we had to rely on just fruit powers to get around.
I bet Sakazuki is fun at parties.
>>280832731 (OP)>Straw Hats canonically get stronger after each arcBut did Usopp get stronger after Wano if he didn't get a fight there?
>>280833156>it was shown that Sugar was useless in combatShe's faster than Tontattas.
>>280833113probably because most of the weird bullshit that would be h4x in other series is nerfed in one piece by being used by people that haven't fully mastered it
in a more typical manga 100% of grandline pirates would have awakened their fruits and most of them would be some kind of reality marble where you trap you and your opponent in the [fruit power] dimension. and guys like Blueno would be able to do shit like open doors through time to simultaneously attack you 3 seconds in the future and 5 seconds in the past.
Or to look at it another way, Oda isn't all that interested in making every two bit bad guy as formidable and hypercompetant and badass as possible, which is what usually leads to every single combatant having some bullshit ougi that can nearly kill the MC
>>280833114Any sulong mink...
>>280833232this nigga attracted to a literal cartoon child lmao
>inb4 โi-itโs just a drawing!โ
>>280833235I mean, we do get hax, but only when compared to previous stuff. And characters keep improving all the time anyways, so even that doesn't affect things too much.
Its why i never take powerlevel fags too seriously, for OP isn't a series on which you can apply a set in stone rank based on feats or powers shown. Because then you have cases like Crocodile which throw the whole metric off.
>>280833280Oda himself admitted that Crocodile was introduced too early
Loki and Yamato would have loved to swap places
>Kaido as Loki's dad
>Come my big powerful son with cool as fuck eyes, let's rain terror on the populace then end the fucking world. You are the rightful ruler of Wano and I fully endorse you as my one true heir. Let's go kill Orochi together the look on his stupid face will be priceless
>Harold as Yamato's dad
>I've revitalized the trade economy so nobody has to go hungry this winter. Come with me on my next diplomatic voyage to strange wacky islands you never even dreamed of
>>280833289Even so. Take even stuff like Marineford, for example. One can excuse Whitebeard because the illness, but everybody else? With all we know now on Haki, or the max potential of so many of the combatants in there, from admirals to Warlords, its a fucking mess.
>>280833329Yeah, Oda obviously didn't anticipate how high the powerlevels would end up getting, it shows in Marineford and to a lesser extent Dressrosa
>>280833346>A string cage covered in haki>Resisted intact almost as long as Kaido didYONKO
LEVEL
>>280833348Buggyfags are retarded
>>280833363solos sabo, issho, zolo, and a thousand other jobbers
If the Seraphims were made using King's DNA, wouldn't that mean they are all technically his kids?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyTUFaQuIHk
>>280833076Vry cute height difference
For me it's Momonga, the Pillar of Justice
>>280833428momonga the nofap champion
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>>280833415The problem with Fraudhawk is that one of these days we are going to get that flashback of him fighting Shanks, with Oda having to settle into a portrayal of his actual scaling. And once that's done, its game over. There's no way one can deliver after 20 fucking years of edging.
H-HOLY FUUARK! CHADMIRALS ARE SO STRONG!
W-who can stop them bros...?
>>280833456He's just gonna end up being some ooga booga hakiman who shoots CoC lightning like all of the top tiers that are being revealed after all this time (Roger, Shanks, etc)
>>280833446>eradicated any sign of others for five kilometers aroundWhat does this mean exactly? They knocked everyone out with CoC? They obliterated everything within a 5km radius?
>>280833393No. he didn't raise them
>>280833480Vegapunk isn't the stepdad, he's just the dad who stepped up
>>280833480No wonder Oda made him black
Im still annoyed by Uta existence. Oda insists she's canon, but that the movie events weren't. But then, doesn't that mean Shanks has a fucking daughter out there? One that he will never bring up?
>>280833415Mihawkfags really shoot themselves in the foot with their nonsense about Mihawk being stronger than the likes of Roger and Xebec. Like yes he's obviously yonko level but the ass takes from Hawkfags make me want to downplay him as much as possible.
>>280833523Whenever Oda says a character is canon, it means he likes them a lot. He liked Shiki so much he incorporated him into the canon story.
>>280833567He said he was already planning to include Shiki in the manga, Strong World just gave him an opportunity to use him as a movie villain.
Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman (title confirmed by narrator btw)
Shanks and Xebec are both swordsmen
Therefore, Mihawk is stronger than either of them.
>b-but that's not how it wo-
Cope.
>>280833523>doesn't that mean Shanks has a fucking daughter out there? One that he will never bring up?yes
>>280833523Yes and it's the final nail in the coffin to the headcanon that Shanks is the father of Makino's child
>>280833563The actual problem is that he's Zoro's final boss. So no matter how the story progresses, if things keep escalating, and Luffy (and therefore Zoro) keep getting stronger, by default that means Mihawk must be around that same level for his final duel with Zoro. Pretty much a "Zoro current lvl + 1 = Mihawk"
... Unless, of course, that whole plot gets shitted on, by Mihawk getting killed, or Zoro choosing on another opponent.
>>280833594>father of Makino's childIsn't that Beckman?
>>280833629not if i get there first!
I wish I was big and strong enough to tie up and rape loki
>>280833348Oda is well known for his love of southern Vietnamese truck driving after all
>>280833657why would Xebec be in love with Imu? Doesn't he want to be king of the world?
Could really use those spoilers right about nowโฆ
>>280833742Loki does not join Rocks Pirates. That's it that's the chapter.
>>280833742We we're too early...
I hate Loki! He should kill himself!
>bonney arrives at Marineford somehow
>uses her power to age Whitebeard back to his prime
>still has cancer but can now use his Haki and full strength again
What changes?
I wonder if Loki would find out that BB is Rocksโs kid and join up with him instead?
>>280832806nika bonney...
>>280833801He would still have to get Ace out of there since he canโt go out and let loose without destroying Marine ford thatโs the problem.
>>280832806Robin with haki...
Why does the fanbase trust him so much?
I kind of want loki to join cross guild somehow because having him, Mihawk, Croco and possibly Doffy in the future on the same crew would make me pregnant
>>280833807I don't think Loki will like Blackbeard that much. He will probably find his method's dishonorable and too cowardly for his tastes.
I think Bonney will join the crew!
I want to befriend Kizaru.
I just can't explain it. Nami does nothing for me while Robin makes me cum buckets.
>>280833876Loki isn't some sort of muh honor kind of guy
>>280833862Yeah like
Why does no one point out that the "He has greater sword skills than Red-Hair" guy also thinks Buggy is Shanks level? Lmao
So, who will Robin marry and have children with by the end of the series?
>Saul
>Dragon
>Aokiji
>Luffy
>Franky
>Jimbei
>>280833957Crocodile of course
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Why was he so weak?
>sugar toy power is canceled when she fainted
>somehow ninja girl's age up power, ivankov's tranny power and tama's taming ability is permanent
Explain this
>>280833415Why are people so angry about him not showing up more? He was never the kind of character to appear alot
>>280832917using a sword doesn't make you a swordsman
>>280833990>tama's taming ability is permanent
>>280833916Robin is pure sex!
>>280833990Some powers are just better than others
Like kilo kilo and
>>280833977
>>280833977I mean, Machivise is just another piece of shit from Doffy's crew, makes sense that he wouldn't be all that strong.
Robin is a lesbian just like Nami is.
>>280832938Modern feminism
I just finished having sex with Hiyori.
>>280832967wife material
>no pube---- kys
>>280832924>dont worry sanji, we always knew
>>280832731 (OP)>>280833054>>280833076https://litter.catbox.moe/54y012.png
She does this daily as rent
Just saw the VIZ translation.
Will of D. means the will of Davy Jones?
I don't see all the fuss about swordsmen when Yamato and Gaban can do the same things with clubs and axes
Isn't coating an iron bar with Haki and making ranged attacks with it what being a swordsman is all about?
>>280834218>Will of D. = Will of DavyAnon...Oda won't do something that fucking obvious.
>>280834218They were described as the half-moon people, but still, I donโt doubt it.
>>280832975Maybe it was a sarcastic joke. I always liked the "Shanks crew wasn't ALWAYS that strong" theory but it's no longer tenable with the history that's been revealed.
>>280834218D. is the people of the half-moon
the people of the (full?) moon might be minks, or lunarians, or people with the name Water (moon controls the tides), or it might refer to the ancient kingdom if its real name was The Moon Kingdom or something
Imu will look like this btw.
So what is Luffy's dream and why did it make Shanks cry?
>>280834348I don't think there's any way to live up to the suspense of being a mysterious silhouette for 200+ chapters
>>280833787Estrid what the fuck THATS YOUR SON!
>>280834377probably eating meat or stupid shit like that. shanks cried because he's a bitch.
>>280833740He could marry her and they would rule as king and queen.
>>280834377Yamato is the one who cried, and he cried because it was the same dream Roger had, and he'd read enough of Oden's journal to understand the implications
>>280834420Imu is not a "sillhouette" they are in a hijab
>>280834474>hijabmashallah, sister Imu
>>280834195Moria's getting himself a new shadow
Since Gunko wore a nun outfit, could this also be an indication of what Imu looks like? Maybe Imu is wearing the opposite and looks like a "Pope" or "Priest", or maybe he prefers wearing something else entirely.
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>>280834514nah, its what Imu is wearing too.
>>280834316>>280834330Are you guys all in on the idea that the will of D. is only inherited genetically and everybody with that name is a direct descendant of whatever ancient tribe that is? I always interpreted the inherited will stuff as an ideology. Like Koby is probably not genetically special but he keeps turning out to be impressive in his own ways. It might be a larger plotpoint later that people add the middle D. to their name out of respect to the idea. Koby is a decent candidate for that imo.
>>280834514that's more of a lady-in-waiting outfit
>>280834493finally someone who recognizes Moria as Perona's father figure and not BUMhawk who has an official signed order from the marines to stay 12 miles away from children's parks and elementary schools
>>280834534I'm retarded, what does that mean again?
>>280834538sort of like a lady butler for a queen
RIP Kid you were great while you lasted
>>280834514It could be a miter, Patriarchs wear headwear from which cloth comes out so it makes them look taller
>>280834532I think originally a bunch of people added D. to their name and the names of their kids as a sort of "Lest We Forget" thing, and that throughout history people that also discovered that truth also adopted the name D. out of respect/to signal that they are in the know. but over the centuries, more people started doing it just out of tradition or even just because they admired someone else with a D. and wanted to emulate them.
In other words it was less of a tribe and more like descendants of unrelated members of a secret society, and nowadays its also muddied by the descendants of "posers," but that doesn't actually matter, because there's some kind of nominative determinism thing going on and changing your name to include a D. changes your destiny to that of a D too; even if completely ignorant and with nothing to do with the original D's just making that choice would result in you having an increasingly antagonistic relationship with "the gods" of your life
>>280834621Picrel does look similar to Imu's clothing
The existence of a weak horse named Stronger implies the existence of an insanely fucking powerful horse named Weakling
>>280834621I like that theory. But if that's the case and if
>>280834543 is correct, then why doesn't Imu keep a manservant instead? Seems kinda weird to have a "lady-in-waiting" instead.
>>280833253i said she was beautiful, i didn't say i wanted to fuck her
>>280834514I didn't like Gunko at first, kinda wierd design, but she has grown on me. She's cute
>>280834726I'd fuck Tama.
>>280834646not a man, you homo
Don't let this distract you from the fact that we still haven't received the spoilers yet.
>>280833980Mosa is so unlucky
I think Hajrudin is cool and Loki is lame!
>>280834818...said nobody
>>280834843...on opposite day.
>>280834818We know, New Giant Pirates
>>280834846...in a universe where Opposite Day didn't exist.
>>280832731 (OP)Has there been a character alive introduced yet stronger than Warcury?
>>280834866No (Reminder that he is the pinnacle of mankind hence his name TOPman)
>>280833916Both peaked pre-skip. Post bunch of new girls mog them.
>>280834818Cute Gerd defending her friend
>>280834670>why doesn't Imu keep a manservant instead? Seems kinda weird to have a "lady-in-waiting" instead.Well why do we assume Imu has stayed in their current body for 800 years again? We clearly see Imu can possess other people's bodies
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>>280834876Of course, his return is imminent.
>>280834886Gunko seems to be special. There must be a reason why he keeps her around. Maybe he cannot possess the bodies of other Holy Knights for some reason.
>>280834866GODmu of course
Imu will look like a character were very familiar with. But who?
>Vivi
>King
>Mihawk
>Boa Hancock
>Gol D. Roger
>>280834472stop referring to Yamato as a โheโ, and no, this isnโt a chud opinion.
Yamato doesnโt want to be a man, she wants to be Oden, who was a man, therefore, she uses male pronouns and bathes with men, but doesnโt even bother to dress and present herself as a man, or even as Oden. Kiku identifies as a woman, therefore, she acts and presents herself as feminine, while Yamato rocks her tits out and keeps long hair.
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Koby is a retard lmao
>>280835025>KikuThat's a man, baby!
>>280835025the why doesn't matter
>>280834621Nah, Imu is clearly wearing a veil under the crown. You see the edges of it whenever he moves. His silhouette speaks of light fabric too, not thick straight robes like a pope would wear. When he sits on the throne it hugs his legs instead of folding up.
Even if he's a man he's 100% dressed like a nun or princess, I guarantee that much.
>>280835025>>280835047Kiku and Yamato are both women.
Imu=umi=sea
Really got noggin joggin
>>280834218Davy Jones was Hody Jones's ancestor and a fishman
>>280834626>there's some kind of nominative determinism thing going onI hope not. I think that that idea will be made fun of later. Luffy shan't tolerate being a slave even to destiny itself. What will matter are the friends that they'll have made along the way.
What is something you could do that would genuinely piss Shanks off?
>>280835141Hody might have changed his own name because he found out about Davy Jones. It's like when nazis rename themselves after roman emperors (embarrassing).
>>280835124...in your fanfiction Kikutroon
>>280835091Joyboy will be the Shanks clone, dummy.
Imu will be a Stelly clone. I mean, Stelly literally snuck into the Empty Throne room and desired sitting there, and he lusted after Vivi, just as Imu did after Lili.
>>280835161I'd break his fake nails.
>>280835161calling him a nepobaby
So Rocks was a swordsman huh?
>>280835162true lmfao, Iโll fucking praise Oda to the end of time if this is true.
>>280835162We don't know that though, and Vander Decken tried to fling the flying dutchman at Shirahoshi, which meant he had knowledge of where the ship was
>>280835171>The straw man fallacy is a logical fallacy where an argument is distorted, oversimplified, or misrepresented to make it easier to attack. Instead of addressing the actual argument, the person creates a weaker or exaggerated version of it, which they then refute, giving the illusion of having defeated the original argument.
>>280834218>enters flower room>announces that he worships the D>leaves
>>280835215he knew because the flying dutchman was owned by Vander Decker the first, it's a family legacy
>>280832731 (OP)Ode has a terminal cancer and has been told that he will die before this year ends
>>280835263what about Oda? is he fine?
>>280835181but then how could a "Shanks" clone lose to a "Stelly" clone?
>>280835276by making a deal with the literal devil, bro.
the Ancient Kingdom was owning the 20-kingdom collationโs collective asses until, one day, it just suddenly lost.
>>280835298So headcanon, okay got it.
>>280833113Once Law hits you with Room you're pretty much done
>>280835308Whatever comforts you, blud.
>>280835263Post yfw Oda dies.
>>280835436>no pregnant version
/opg/sisters the spoilersโฆ
>>280835478i can't read, what does it say on her belly?
>>280835499Kek. Just realized that the gorosei are pretty much Imu's slaves. I wonder if he makes them do stupid shit sometimes.
i wonder if Imu can bend one of the five elders over the table on command...
>>280835524who would dare command Imu to do such a thing?
>>280835538Son? I wonder which poor woman had to bear Imu's child...
>>280835181Stelly looks like an ugly version of sabo or cavendish
>>280835538Scratch that check this out
>>280835555
>>280832791Yonko+, only below Mihawk, Whitebeard and admirals.
>>280833990ninja girl rots you and isn't able to reverse it
ivankov pumps your body so full of hormones you change gender
those are "natural" modifications based on phenomenons created by the fruit, sugar magically instantly poofs you into a toy more akin to a spell than a natural phenomenon
>>280833990Because if Ivanov ability can be alter back easily, than it would be shittier Doc Q fruit
>>280835019Just because the last two silhouette reveals were like this, doesn't mean it's what you should expect. Before that, you had Vegapunk, Aramaki, Oden, and Kawamatsu for the longstanding silhouettes, and they were only being hidden for da lulz. Heck, Blackbeard's post-TS design was being held off since Dressrosa. It literally took more from the TS to his full reveal then from the start of the manga to his reveal on Jaya. Most of the time, Oda just hides people behind silhouettes to get a strong reveal moment with DON!
>>280835541Mu wants it, he wants that Gorossy
>>280835626Yeah, then explain Doc Q fruit then?
What kind of an afterlife is there in One Piece?
>>280833990it varies depending the plot
>>280835686If it's sexy it's okay
>>280834646femusissies?!!
>>280835726LoKING's wives btw.
>>280835738>completely ignores the Yao Bikuni connection that was reinforced by Gunko in a nuns habit
>Usopp's greatest battle moment in the last 10 years:
>>Drestoying Bullet's mecha [Stampede]
>>Beating Baccarat (runner-up) [Film Gold]
>Usopp's greatest emotional moment in the last 10 years:
>>Carrying Luffy [Stampede]
>Usopp's greatest gag moment in the last 10 years:
>>Impersonating tenryubitos [Film Gold]
usoppbluds why has the manga forsaken us
>>280835787DO NOT FEED THE MALEIMUFAG
>>280835787cute feet but it's nothing like what imu's wearing
>>280835790his whole existence is a joke
>>280835799Imu does wear a veil that goes from her head to her elbows though. And a dress underneath.
I WILL FUCKING KILL SHITSOPP
>>280834218Davy Jones is almost certainly going to be the 'blackbeard' from Joyboy's era.
I believe the D clan split into two groups between the first and second age, Joyboy's side of the clan has moon people DNA, while Davy Jones's half is either pure or has the DNA of a yet to be seen race that caused the first world reset.
>>280835833Men can wear dresses too. It doesn't mean anything.
>>280835850Pretty sure Imu is the 'blackbeard' of the era desu. Davy Jones could be his true name and he is simply pretending to be Nerona Imu. Maybe Lili found out somehow and that's why she was gone.
>>280835853Oh I don't really care about Imu's gender I'm just saying this absolutely looks like what he/she/them is wearing
>>280835787
>>280835853>Men can wear dresses tooBased Tranji
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why'd he almost lose to literal who character with gimmick fruit power that usopp could beat. I want him to get his get back on Loki but at this rate it doesn't look like he will
>>280835787Brother Muslim women and Orthodox Christian Nuns wear the exact same thing, besides Imu is MALE
>>280835850>the D clan split into two groups between the first and second ageThat's the flashback story of Uchiha Madara from Naruto.
>>280835881he trained after that, so he's Loki level now
>>280835893And Loki trained after he trained, so now he's me level.
>>280835897gotta be hard while chained desu
>>280835881tbf dori and broggy also lost to a literal who character with gimmick fruit power that usopp could beat. Oda's powerscaling is dogshit, crocodile went from < new world usopp to yonko lite
>>280835882next you will say Kiku is a woman
stay delusional
>>280835882Can't wait for Imu to turn out to be a trans man with he/him pronouns and a female body so all the male Imu stans will flip sides and use feminine pronouns for him against the manga canon like they do for Yamato.
>>2808359096 years of mental training sounds pretty OP to me
>>280835835Yes, if you draw one element of Imu's cloth on a picture, this one element will generally tend to match.
>>280835914>literal who characterdon't talk like that to my hero Galdino, a yonko commander
>>280835914GODcodile is just that strong. You don't like it? TOO BAD.
>>280835893>he's Loki level now
I am stronger than Hajrudin.
>>280835881If youโre gonna shit on Hajrudin for struggling against a 10k ton weight falling at terminal velocity (nearly 100 million Newtons), go shit on Loki for being beaten bloody by some punches from Gunko, or on Dorry and Brogy for being tricked by Galdino with his wax fruit.
>>280835915>>280835171Kiku's look if he didn't travel forward in time and was actually 42 years old when Luffy arrives in Wano.
>>280835887ah, so it's too kino for one piece?
>>280835943>>280835959We are AFRAID. Afraid of GALDINO.
>>280835959Gunko pretty much conquered Elbaf by herself so she's not exactly a jobber. She's at least Galdino tier
>>280835915Kiku and Yamato are both women
>>280835826Assuming the next movie is in a year, he might get another movie moment before a manga moment... even Film Red threw him a bone.
>>280835974>She's at least Galdino tierFUAAAARK
>>280835977daughter.... stop....
>>280836002Kaido respects pronouns
No no no you don't get it, ONLY the main character and his orbiters are allowed to get stronger. The rest of the world has to be remain static.
>>280833596Kuine dying before Zoro could ever beat her makes me think Mihawk will die before Zoro ever beats him either.
>>280835977>>280835991Yes, both Kiku and Yamato are women, but this right here is the exact issue with people calling Yamato a โheโ. It just doesnโt apply, itโs literally half-assed Odentism, she doesnโt even wear his clothes or style her hair like him or fight with a katana or anything.
Itโs like saying I like Snoop Dogg so much that I am him, but the only thing Iโll ever do is copy his lingo. I wonโt dress different, act different, do anything different other than say โfoโ shizzleโ every once in a while.
>>280836013DAUGHTER, I BEG YOU
>>280833740>They wouldn't be in love, how could they have sex?Anon, I pity your ignorance
>>280836013>I HAVE NO DAUGHTER!>I have a son
>>280835726All belong to JANGOD btw.
>>280835850Vegapunk presented Joyboy as the "first pirate ever", there ain't gonna be any pirate equal to him.
At best he is gonna be a crewmate of Joyboy who got "punished" at the end of the war like Zunesha.
>>280836002I like how he tortures and kills people for fun but disrespecting your duaghter's pronouns is a no go
>>280836042Enlighten me, anon-kun.
>>280833828They did get Ace out thoughbeit. Too bad no Whitebeard pirate ever thought to track down Law and pay him a fat ransom to heal Whitebeard
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Galdino? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Little Garden Galdino. I'm not talking about Marineford Galdino either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Yonkou Commander Galdino with the awakened Wax fruit and CoA (with future CoO and being capable of both future killing and future seeing), equipped with his CoC, perfect swordsmanship, control of the Jormungand and all Sea Kings, with Imu's DNA implanted in him so he has access to the Abyss regen and can perform yin yang release domi reversi othello while being an expert in rokushiki and haki.
I don't think so.
>>280835974>>280835970>GaldinoHOLY MOLY MY GOAT CANT STOP WINNING
>>280836044Most wholesome part of Kaido honestly
>>280835314Blackbeard kicked his shit in though
>>280835926>16 reps of "fuck this bitch ass island">12 reps of hating on his older brother>childhood trauma benchpress (until failure)
>>280836118What about Sun God mating press
>>280836147he has chocking fetish
>>280836131unfortunately Loki is still a virgin, not even Lola wanted to tap that :(
let's hope that changes in the next chapter!
>>280836157Lola probably just wasn't into tsunderes.
Luckily it's Luffy entire trade since childhood so yeah I have good hopes.
>>280836147He allowed it because he's a fiercely loyal subordinate
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>>280832971You sound like a jeet
>>280835298Correction: Joyboy was born in the ancient kingdom but it was never confirmed that he fought for them
>>280835025>while Yamato rocks her tits out and keeps long hair? But that's exactly what the average man in Wano does. Women have specific ways to tie their hair up while Yamato is sporting the average bishonen samurai ponytail
Reminder: It's not gay if there's a clown
>>280836281Only insecure low test moids care whether it's gay or not
>"Wait, so Rocks was right when he told me the entire world is governed by one single dictator right before I murdered him for wanting to free a bunch of slaves?"
>"Now THAT'S funny! Hey Rayleigh, check this one out, Rocks wasn't lying!"
>>280836266>Gastino's best feat>beating Katakuri (bounty 1.057B) and Oven (bounty 0.3B)>Galdino's best feat>beating Dorry (inf. adj. bounty 1.8B) and Broggy (inf. adj. bounty 1.8B)It's not even close, Galdino mogs.
>>280836321>Oh, well canโt do nothing about it anyways since Iโm going die of butt aids soon >going to have my son Iโm going make an a few right my oppise lol
Why does Pol believe that this series will have a nationalist ending when it is clear from at least Skypea that the world will unify, also the nationalist and ethnocentric factions are shown as inherently evil and nationalism is shown as a wrong ideology
>>280836281but i want it to be gay :(
Merry = Baphomet
Sunny = Demiurge
>muh racism (Fishmen)
>muh feminism (99% of females)
>muh based faggots (Bon Clay, Izo, Kiku)
>muh based trannies (Ivakov and the Revolutionary Army)
>muh evil Germany66 nazis
>muh based jews (Vegapunk)
>muh open borders (Wano)
>WE WUZ KANGS (Lunarians)
Luffy is going to destroy the red line to make All Blue/Reunite Laboon/Destroy Fishman Island/Make a New World Map and merge all the islands together into a single continent (One Piece) because "we're all the same and should live together" in real commie jew tikkun olam tower of babel garbage.
All Blue was the name of the ancient kingdom
>>280836268>flashback to anon's blonde crush getting railed by jeets while he watches
>Muh Baphomet
>Muh Demiurge
How about something based on Pirate/Sea-related myth?
Something like Davy Jones (Oda start moving to that)?Nemo?Sin D. Bad (yes most people say Sinbad, but its actually Sindbad)
I just sharted all over Shitrudin's boat.
>>280836414Don't be mean they just drank too much pesticide in utero they can't help it
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>What? No CoC?
>>280836558ROAD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU EWWWW
>>280836545Oups wrong sinbad pic
I am weaker than Don Krieg.
>>280832731 (OP)Be honest. Could Mihawk have killed all pirates at Marineford if he wanted to?
>>280836612No. Fodders are immortal in One Piece.
>>280836613>Krieg was still confident and arrogant against Mihawk despite him decimating his crew>Krieg showed fear at the mere mention of ZeffWhat did he mean by this?
>>280836268>flashback to anon's blonde crush getting railed by jeets while he watchesalso, lmao at jannies
>>280836630You aren't ready for the reveal when i's shown Zeff was a former Rocks Pirate
>>280836651*a former God's Knight
That's why he cut his own leg, it wasn't for Sanji
>retard consistency in powerscaling
>characters intentionally vague because their story isn't written yet
>main villains don't do jackshit at all
>main antagonist not even designed yet
Still more thoughtout and more
>main protags get bullshit special powers (CoC, voice of all things, powerful bloodline, God fruits, super luck)
consistent than 99.99% of shonen
>>280836674>god knight>cuts his leg>does not regen ???
I want to become a strong rapist like my heroes Vasco Shot and Wang Zhi!
Lilith says trans rights!
P-please remember about me...
I still Luffy's rival, r-right....
>>280833862Brannew world, start me up!
>>280836861>remember about me>I stillHow does it even get this bad?
>>280833184I don't understand this meme. Does it actually come from the manga?
>>280833949>Buggy is Shanks levelBecause he is?
>>280832731 (OP)His backstory and deal is what keeps me reading this slop. I don't care for 500 chapters of random, just-introduced character backstory.
Kuma's backstory was great too.
Oda really has to stop introducing so many randos at this point.
>>280836879Which one?
Dragon look east, or Rat Garling?
Has Garp been ghosting Sengoku since Marineford and Ace's death? We never see them hang out anymore despite supposedly being best friends despite Sengoku's attempts to bait Garp in with new cracker flavors.
It wouldn't be weird if he holds Ace's death against Sengoku.
>>280836721i read that as facesitter
Cocks Pirates will penetrate Imussy in the next chapter
>>280836852One order of smoothies
>>280836904>Dragon look eastThis one I don't get, he's been looking everywhere, not just toward the right, or whatever "east" means there
>>280837117Read Impel Down
>>280836905Nah, it would. He doesn't even seem mad at Akainu anymore. It's probably a coincidence.
>>280836897Oda will make a hundred new characters native to Laugh Tale, and you're gonna love them.
>>280836897Kizaru and Kuma made Egghead for me.
>>280836905Nah Garp understands everyone's perspective regarding marineford. He's only mad at himself for what happened
We still have Brooks flashback after this btw
>>280837194Uh... Usoppubluds? Oda didn't forget us... d-did he?
>>280837137Special place for wabbiturds
>>280837234Usopp will beat Dorry & Broggy btw
>>280837322Pretty gud
But Admirals are all a tier higher, even if you disagree.
>>280837322>Shanks about Mihawk Instantly disqualifies any tier list
Which moment had more Aura?
>Guy not giving a fuck that Madara just beat the 5 kages then became a god immune to ninjutsu capable of fighting all the ninjas in the world at once, then beating his ass anyways with his bare hands
>Garp not giving a fuck and going straight into Hachinosu and punching out half a yonkou crew, purposely taking damage to save someone, then throwing hands with one of the strongest guys with one of the strongest powers without giving a fuck he's outnumbered, armed only with his fists
>>280837322Shanks is PK tier
>>280837458Guy
Guy was punching above his weight class and almost managed to kill Madara
Garp was bullying weak shitters until Aokiji fucking demolished him.
>>280837439They are very close, realistically it could go either way but Shanks obviously has the edge, you must be watching two piece of you think otherwise. And putting that Vista victim between two of Roger's rivals is already giving him more credit than he deserves considering his piss poor showings.
>>280837458Shut the fuck up
>>280836686just like how Shank hand didn't regenerated
>>280837322Akainu is Yonkou level
>>280837482You're letting memes color your perception of reality
>>280837322Where would you put Doflamingo with his awakened fruit?
Something that gets overlooked about Blackbeard is how he seems to already know pretty much everything from the One Piece world without encountering it: Lunarians, Sulong forms etc.
Similarly, Rocks also seemed to know many things before he set out to accomplish his goal, he already knew about the flower room and that Davy Jones had some kind of relation to Imu.
>Aramaki shows up alone to solo an alliance of 3 entire crews
WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS DISHONORABLE AND UNFAIR HOW COULD YOU DO THIS
>Shanks pulls up with his entire crew to jump one guy
YAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY
>>280837534Quite the opposite. Mihawk literally doesn't have a single showing putting him on the same level as Shanks, none whatsoever. It's all hype and memes. Putting his one step below Shanks, the child of destiny who made an admiral shit themselves and run away crying is already very generous.
Show me anything Mihawk has done to justify being Shanks equal, let alone above him.
>>280837602Holy shit we found one of the 1.5 Greenfart fans
>>280837592>without encountering itHe was part of a Yonko crew for 20 years. It's completely possible the Moby Dick ran in to Zhou or the whitebeard pirates went to a sky island in that timefram
>>280837563>>280837587Dressrosa Doffy? He is too weak to be on the list. A hypothetical Doffy with a crocodile like buff would probably be somewhere around Crocodile.
>>280837635Awakened birdcage solos the op verse
>>280837630You are right, but weirdly enough, Blackbeard seems to have a deeper knowledge about the Lunarians that Marco who was also a Whitebeard pirate.
>>280837602>>280837617I don't remember this guy.
>>280837592Rocks is either a king a CD or an admiral at the time we are introduced to him.
>>280837656>awakened birdcageDoffy was already awakened though
>>280837674He has a D. It's unlikely he's a CD.
>>280837604If Shanks beat Mihawk, why isn't Shanks known as the World's Strongest Swordsman?
>>280837674>Rocks is either a kingSure as hell doesn't act like it
> a CDD. can't be celestial dragons
>an admiralThe marines didn't know who he was
>>280837671He got WiFi haki diff'd
>>280837702Because he obviously isn't the better swordsman? Good thing he isn't facing Mihawk in a fencing tournament.
Morley invaded the reverie too he must have been a king, CD or Admiral
>>280837742The title is world's strongest swordsman not worlds most skilled swordsman
>>280837774>>280837702Cool, but come back to me when Mihawk actually shows what he can do. Even Sharts has showed more feats.
>>280837751Hes a revo, those didnt exist 60 years ago blud
You guys just don't get it.
Shanks might have lost in all of their incredibly famous duels, but he is still stronger than Mihawk because I feel like he should be.
>MUH FEATS
Reality is that one character is explicitly stronger than the other. We have been told they are stronger for decades. Any argument otherwise is head canon and cope
>>280837774The title also isn't the world strongest person that uses a sword. Otherwise would Imu suddenly also be weaker than Mihawk if it conjured a sword instead of a spear?
You are literally using memes and shitoosts to manifest your fantasy of Mihawk being stronger into reality.
>>280837787Beating Shanks doesn't count as a feat for being stronger than Shanks?
>>280837532Will he lose to Sabo?
Mihawk couldnt beat Vista
>>280837458Garp's was cooler. He fought multiple opponents for one guy rather than the world, sacrificed himself for everyone, hot injured saving that man for being purehearted and trying to help a civilian, forced that guy to believe in himself, and succeeded in his goal of letting that one guy escape. And that one guy was a random nobody in a world of special bloodline bullshit who just trained his ass off. Basically the same as Guy and Lee. But Guy sacrificed himself for the world and failed to win, Garp sacrificed himself for his pupil and believes he is the future. If Guy sacrificed himself for Lee because he believed Lee could come back and beat Madara it would be a different story. Guy was just being a generic shonen "I want to fight someone strong" retard
when she show up how was /a/ reaction?
>>280837841>The title also isn't the world strongest person that uses a swordToo bad Shanks is considered a swordsman
>You know what, Mihawk? You're right. You got me. 3-0. And they were damn good duels too, Iโll give you that.
>But do you really think I care?
>Mihawk, I think youโve misunderstood something. Iโm the one the world follows. Iโm the one whose name makes the seas tremble. I donโt chase you โ youโve always been the one trying to chase me. For over 35 years, my goalโs been to change the course of the seas and become a legend. But you? Even after your so-called victories, youโre still obsessed with beating me. You imitate greatness like Zoro imitates you, and you both still come up short.
>Letโs face it โ youโll never surpass me, Mihawk. Not me, not Whitebeard, not even the monster Kaido. Youโre the world's greatest swordsman, sure, but what have you done with it? Youโll always be the measuring stick, not the story. When Oda needs someone to look strong, he draws you standing still. When someone needs to make an entrance that shakes the world? Thatโs me, arriving at Marineford like the ending of an era.
>You sat around sharpening your sword while I stopped wars with a word.
>You dueled with Vista and couldnโt finish it. I clashed with Kaido and stopped him in his tracks.
>You know whatโs really sad, Mihawk? Youโve never killed a major player. Youโve never changed the world. Not in the East Blue, not at Marineford, not during the Warlord era, not in the Final Saga. Even in the spin-offs and fan-made stories like What If Zoro Beat Kaido, you're just a checkpoint for someone else's greatness.
>You cling to your title like it means something โ but in the end, what matters isnโt the blade. Itโs the will. And my will has shaken the world.
>Blackbeard? A monster. Kaido? A beast. Luffy? A rising storm. Me? A legend.
>But you? Hehโฆ if I ever need someone to polish the hilt of my saber or remind people what a โhas-beenโ looks like, wellโฆ I know just the man for the job.
>>280837836>we have been told they are stronger for decades "We" haven't been told anything like that. What you have seen in your dreams while watching two piece is irrelevant
>>280837850If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they dueled was when Sharts didn't lose his arm to a fucking fish yet, and they were dueling before he became a Yonko. It's been a good decade since then, and it's safe to say he's gotten far stronger. I could beat Blackbeard back when he was a nameless shitter on Whitebeard's crew... doesn't mean I'm stronger than him today.
>>280833629Men can't get pregnant you deranged tranny
>>280837895Not reading that shit
>>280837907>you can make troons have melties by merely even suggesting imu could be a hot bitchbased
>>280837928Arent mow femaleimu fags trannies and csm fags?
Shithawk so shit, he becoming Buggy bitch
>>280837902So Shanks being beaten multiple times by Mihawk, then getting beaten by a sea king (who was one shot by Chapter 1 Luffy) means that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk.
Ok, can't argue with that logic at all, it's completely irrefutable.
>>280837973>Shanks is stronger than Mihawk.I'm glad you agree. Good discussion.
>>280833867Men can't get pregnant, you delusional tranny.
>>280833905Same. He seems like a decent guy, also seems pretty reliable.
who's the biggest fraud in elbaf arc?
>>280837910>>>>>>he's fucking scared of Rufi
>You know what, Mihawk? You're right. You got me. 3-0. And they were damn good duels too, Iโll give you that.
>But I know your tricks now, and there's no way I'll lose this time.
>I summon Man-Eater Bug in Attack Position and set one card face down. Your turn!
>>280833867It would be better if Moria joined with Perona so she could meet Mihawk again
>>280837016Usopp is next on getting BBucks
>>280837973>So Shanks being beaten multiple times by Mihawk, then getting beaten by a sea king (who was one shot by Chapter 1 Luffy) You are so retarded you don't even understand that what you are saying works agait you. Mihawk was literally a rival to the same Shanks that was beaten by that Sea King. Mihawk has actually never faced yonko shanks, how fucking embarrassing.
When was the last Shanks vs Mihawk duel? Wasn't it way before the rat became a Yonko?
>>280837895That's a whole lot of cope from someone who gets less screen time that Usopp or Buggy
>>280837869More yuri ship
>>280838064And Mihawk gets even less then that. I don't see a Mihawk movie, for God's sake.
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The "Strongest Swordsman" is such a fraud title in the world of OP.
It just means whoever is the strongest fighter that HAPPENS to use a bladed weapon akin to a sword.
Mihawk "The Strongest Swordsman" would have to give up his title if White beard used a sword instead of a polearm
If Teach decided to use a sword I guess he would be a stronger swordsman than Mihawk
If Kaido used a sword he would have another title under his belt
If BM- well she already does AND is stronger than Mihawk lol
Then there are the admirals who also use swords. And Nasjuro now.
All above could claim Mihawkโs title if they really wanted to. Oh and Shanks Dad would kick Mihawks ass too now.
Zoroโs dream is beating a guy who is not even top 20 in the verse.
>>280838040>hes scared of being toon fuckedI mean can you blame him?
>>280838082Mihawk we got to see fight in the Paramount war. Shanks got an offscreen with Kaido and showed up after the war was over. Then Mihawk got to be an important figure going into the timeskip.
Shanks biggest screen time was a non Canon movie.
>>280838148>fight in the Paramount warif you can even call it that KEK
>Timeskip was chapter 600
>We're reaching chapter 1200 by 2026
One Piece will not end before chapter 1600 at this rate
>>280838148>Mihawk we got to see fight in the Paramount warDid you though? I am pretty sure that Mihawk fans either skipped that arc or had their eyes closed and their ears plugged throughout most of it.
Shanks was consistently portrayed as left-handed, and losing his dominant arm totally just made him stronger.
Mihawkpablos and Shartsjeets going crazy this thread
>>280838198>Mihawkpablos and Shartsjeetspost pic of Mihawkpablos and Shartsjeets
Remington Model 870 Shotgun
>>280838148>Shanks got an offscreen with Kaido and showed up after the war was over. That was Shamrock btw
>>280835686The illness is what turns him to a woman and the illness is the spell. Remove the spell and your back to normal, same as Sugar
>>280838197I can't believe he jobbed to a fucking fish
>>280835833Why do you keep saying "her" in reference to imu? Imu is a guy
>>280838349Cool, don't see how that affects me.
>>280835977Yamato is a woman. She has a functional womb. Kiku is a mentally ill man who was traumized as a child. He has no womb.
>>280836279The men in wano don't have rocking tits, so your premise is wrong immediately.
A reminder that all this started because a Mihawktard though that Mihawk should be Pirate King level instead of Yonko in the tier list, despite even lacking the feats for admiral level.
>>280837439
>>280836414>polLol. The pol boogeyman strikes again! Rent free. Tell me, where did pol touch you?
Someone remind me, what is Shanks' salary again?
Nobody tell Mihawk fans that the "world" in Mihawk's World's strongest swordsman title refers to the world government alone and wherever Marines have jurisdiction, which doesn't even include Wano.
>>280834218It's hard not to just assume its Dawn, it's a consistent theme of the series, with our current major villains are defined by either letting the world turn to nothingness or covering it in darkness, and it was so important that it has stuck around in every single pilot for the series.
My assumption based on the Harley text is that there's some kind of cycle that repeats and Imu has acted as a Wedge preventing it from continuing for the past few hundred years, with the goal of just letting everything end.
>>280836726Imu would've have killed himself if he were trans.
>yeah... I draw the line at hitting the hecking children
Was it bad writing? Also, didn't she beat 15yo Ivankov up in God Valley to get the fruit?
>>280837928>telling someone who is claiming imu is a woman when imu is a man means I'm the tranny.Ah! This must be that tranny delusion I've heard about. Well, off to the gallows with you. You'll do it yourself eventually, so why bother waiting?
>>280838360He is referred to with the same suffix as the male CDs.
Proof he's a woman? Aside from the delusions, I mean.
>>280838601Except I'm still alive and I don't plan on killing myself, nor am I a tranny. I'm just a coomer. Now what?
>>280838558page one tanked that
At this point I wouldn't mind if Imu was a twink or some gay prettyboy fag like Griffith, I don't mind some BUSSY
>>280838474Where is this stated?
>>280838429Move shanks down if you want, as long as he's below Mihawk.
>>280838558Children she likes anon
>MIHAWK IS HECKING THE BEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD
>0 on screen feats besides beating lvl 0 zoro
>ROGER IS THE PIRATE KING
>feats are fighting whitebeard and doing 0 damage and getting cancer and dying to marines
>XEBEC IS THE STRONGEST PIRATE EVER
>killed an admiral offscreen and told imu "brb"
>ZORO IS GOING TO BE THE BEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD
>has only fought like 3 actual swordsman in the series so far, and one was drunk
>SHANKS IS THE STRONGEST CURRENT PIRATE OF OUR GENERATION
>just sails around and does fuck all. waits for kaido and big mom to get defeated to start looking for one piece
>>280838667>the epiphet that was explicitly given by the marines actually includes places the marines have little to no knowledge ofMihawk fans really are something else
>>280838665Yeah I mean if he looked like one of those korean boyband singers I wouldn't mind no homo
>>280838558Given that Big Mom has never expressed any particular appreciation for honour, yes it was bad writing. Reinforced by the fact that the centrepiece of her own arc was her acting dishonourably over a marriage alliance. That's not even mentioning the whole amnesia subplot that makes any connection between her and Tama circumspect.
The whole thing could have been slightly altered to make it much more in line with what we've seen from Big Mom so far. Just have her unsure of what exactly she feels towards Tama, given the amnesia, but unwilling to just let someone else harm someone she's interested in. In addition to her demonstrating a soft spot for kids.
>>280837890OH NONONONONO SHANKSISSIES?!??!! OUR RESPONSE???
>>280838665She;s going to be a hot busty woman
>>280838726Sooooooo it wasn't stated and it's just your headcanon?
>>280838558>THERES A CODE OF HONOUR>*rapes*>*has arranged marriages for all her children*>*threatens your family to make you comply*
>>280838869>RapeCant rape the willing, bro
>>280838695Mihawk is the only one on the yonko tier that has embarrassed a marine admiral like that so I am going to keep him where he is
>>280838665Haven't we seen breasts in her silhouette already? I could've sworn that has already happened.
>>280838944An anon that kept screaming Kinemon was stronger than Zoro because he could cut fire. And other schizo stuff. Each time you told them they were retarded they spewed out dumber headcanon.
>>280838980>them>singular
>>280838783>It's canon that the marines have omniscient knowledge about Wano and other outside powers despite the fact that Akainu, the leader of all marines was shitting bricks about the Samurai Mihawkfags are back to watching two piece
>>280839051Who are you quoting?
>7 hours long Shithawkfag meltie
What causes this?
>>280837322its so funny to me that the Shiki that Luffy stuggled with was
>in his 60's>brain damaged with a wheel in his head>cut off his own legsand he still was beating the shit out of Luffy
>>280836076Galdino is the next king of Elbaf.
>>280839460we like tits here
>>280839460Why dont you like tits?
>>280839807Tits are kinda gross tbqh.
>>280838643Ah! Coomer. Degenerate but at least you're not delusional. Carry on, my good man, carry on.
>>280839845Found the guy who's never touched tits.
>>280839965Anon, this is /a/...
>>280839845I think they're kinda swell actually
>>280840057I have a girlfriend and I'm employed and I browse /a/ so idk what you're getting at.
That said, I wish /a/ would actually discuss anime and manga instead of faggots screaming about characters that they decided are tranny, powerscaling, isekai shit, and all the other faggotry. I understand board culture and jokes, but when that makes up over 85% of "discussion", there's a problem.
>>280840495>I have a girlfriendGet the FUCK out then
>>280840828Make me. I'm gonna sit here and shit all over /a/'s terrible posts and terrible reading comprehension. I will continue to do so. I will continue.
You can't stop me from participating in the conversations, just like I can't stop /a/ from having only retarded discussions