Thread 280920193

... like the writers are afraid of offending someone? Maximum adherence to formula, tropes, and stock characters almost as bad as Western capeshit. We previously had original series like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy, and Mirai Nikki but it seems like recent anime is just coasting off the success of past eras with nothing new or daring to contribute.

Is this a symptom of Japan's economic implosion? Studios can no longer afford to take any risks?

they're all writing it to offend you

>>280920209
I am offended. Just look at the catalog here. Complete slop : slice-of-life slop, yurislop, gachaslop. I was just looking for good recent anime recommendations but I can't find any.

>>280920193 (OP)
Turkey is taking risks, go give it a go.

because mass appeal means more money. it's really not much else to it.

>Mirai Nikki
>original series

>>280920193 (OP)
We've reached past the tipping point where the overseas market makes more profit than domestic. It will only get worse.

>>280920193 (OP)
Because you only watch and pay attention to mass marketed mainstream slop, you failed normalfaggot.
From this season alone, are you watching this? >>280920237 Nyaight of the Living Cat? Nukitashi? Takopi? no? figures

>>280920193 (OP)
Those shows adhered to tropes as well, they just seem original now because trends have changed

hot take: everyone likes tropes. if it were entirely unfamiliar and original, then people would whine about it being bad nonsensical writing and it not making sense. Go watch G-Reco (the TV show) and you won't like it much at all

>>280920227
then head to >>>/wsr/ newfag

>>280920227
go back to MAL and reddit and ask to be spoonfed there

Do people feel ecstatic when making a retarded shitpost nowadays

>>280920264
Tropes I hate :

>character does something
>another character spends 2 minutes explaining what the other character did in analytical detail

>antagonist whose entire personality is being stereotypically crazy, a comedic cariacature of an insane person (i hate this already)
>same antagonist suddenly stops being crazy and becomes PC when about to violate social norms or break MC's plot armor (i hate this more)

>5 minutes of analytical inner dialogue before a character acts

>wope! it was all a setup! the villain thought he was winning but it was part of the MC's plan all along! (repeated multiple times)

>someone's plot armor is about to break in a way that would be inconvenient to the writers or provoke the audience
>time for the deus ex machina! (repeated multiple times) (hate this)
>situation is now the same as it was at the beginning of the episode, no changes (hate this even more)

>MCs lead their arguments with moral platitudes and truisms
>villains have no real defendable motives

>characters are sexually provocative or go into fanservice mode for no reason
>characters waste time on non-plot shit like eating, shopping, and interacting because they can't find anything else to fill the episode with

I fail to see the difference between this type of screenwriting and children's shows aside from the addition of sexual elements. When anime becomes this type of slop it is fittingly called a "cartoon".

>>280920193 (OP)
That's every form of mass media. Go to /co/ or /tv/ and you'll see the same question being asked. And the answer lies in how executives and middle managers are approaching entertainment. The "data-driven" meme is also a reality in Japan and suits are encouraged to identify every element of previous works that has been commercially successful and push them forward. If Isekai sells, we'll get more Isekai. That one girl did well in the popularity poll, let's see if it's her design or her archetype that makes people like her. MC transformations are usually successful, so let's persuade mangaka into adding that in their works.

>>280920315
Ice cold take. Actual hot take: if you’re going to go down a well-trodden trope for the umpteenth time, try to do something different with it. JPs are AWFUL at this, they just apply some shallow narrative / character gimmick, ie:
My Romantic Comedy Stars a [insert]!
[Denpa Ona]
[Ghost]
[Professional Wrestler]
[National Diet Member]
[Job Seeker]
etc.
JP creators are SLAVISHLY devoted to their trope rules and makes their output extremely uninteresting for the experienced audience.

>>280920450
>character does something
>another character spends 2 minutes explaining what the other character did in analytical detail
>5 minutes of analytical inner dialogue before a character acts
>characters waste time on non-plot shit like eating, shopping, and interacting because they can't find anything else to fill the episode with
These aren't tropes. They're just bad directing. More common in shonen. I remember Naruto having a serious problem with that. Usually the problem is that you have an exposition dump in 3 panels or so in the manga, which you hardly notice because of the medium, but when you try to adapt it 1:1 to animation it becomes dull and fucks up the pacing. You need a director who's resourceful enough to adapt the material without losing important information and without messing up with the pacing, and you'll see that many studios either don't have someone with the skill for that or are overworking their most competent workers.

>>280920302
>Nyaight of the Living Cat

Just because a concept is chuckle-worthy and absurd doesn't mean it becomes worth our time to watch. When a creative work doesn't take itself seriously, why should anyone watch it?

>HAHAHAHHAHA OH MY GOD THE VIRUS MAKES PEOPLE INTO CATS OH MY GOD HAHAHAHAHHA HOW HILARIOUS OMG SO QUIRKY

It's quirkslop.

>Takopi

Pity porn. Griefslop. What's sad is that it's infantilized, fictionalized, and softened such as to be sanitized for mass audiences. Base it on a real premise instead and it can be worth someone's time to watch : children raped in orphanages turning to homelessness and a life of crime. What the fuck is this octopus shit? It's not even real. The worst thing is try to make people feel pity for a completely fictional or sanitized premise. "omg she was le bulli in le school ;_;" that was not real suffering.

>Nukitashi

Isn't this just obscene hentai? But again sanitized and made safe-for-TV.

>>280920193 (OP)
>original series like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy, and Mirai Nikki
Of those only Ergy Proxy is fully original. Mirai Nikki in particular is just an adaption.

>>280920193 (OP)
because derivative writing makes the most money

look at frieren, the whole thing could be made with chatgpt and its called the best show ever made

>>280920577
you don't like anything.

>>280920193 (OP)
>pretentiouslopx2
>shonenslop
next question

>>280920450
>villain rambles on for almost 2 episodes about how unstoppable he is, how feckless it is to resist, how wonderful his victory will be
>other MCs show up and blast his ass with an asspull death beam
>he's still alive, lectures the protagonists for another couple of minutes and then retreats
Would it kill these fuckers to just have an MC fucking rape the enemy for once? Cut them off during their stupid fucking monologue and absolutely demolish them, then move on? Overlord was good about this but not to the extent I desire.

>slop slop slop slop
Go back.

>>280920605
We all know the Great Sloppification is happening before our eyes. Critics and media were far more brutal back in the day, in the 19th Century they would bully writers and poets to suicide over poor word choice. Also, a bad opening night at a theatre would end in a riot with multiple deaths and the playwright outcast forever. Upon reading critics' reviews of their plays and writings many shot themselves after they understood they would never be able to publish anything again.

Until we make these people feel pain again they will continue to take advantage of us and churn out low-effort, low-quality slop. Japanese are particularly vulnerable to this type of bullying. With proper effort, we could get easily 100 suicides of the worst offenders within a few years. This natural selection will ensure better anime for generations to come.

>>280920627
>Would it kill these fuckers to just have an MC fucking rape the enemy for once? Cut them off during their stupid fucking monologue and absolutely demolish them, then move on?

But that would mean they couldn't bring back the villain later to fill up more space in their episodes to distract from their poor screenwriting and lack of ideas while simeltaneously increasing money without effort.

I think part of the problem can be attributed to much of anime being based upon manga which are essentially never-ending stories and released in 12+ volumes for financial reasons with most of the plot often thought up of on the fly rather than planned from the very beginning.

It is a really horrible situation.

>>280920450
Yes shounen trope law is AWFUL. When perspective shifts to the antagonist, it’s ALWAYS to think about how well their stratagem played out, how they saw through the protag’s plan, how much in control of the situation they are in, etc, and is ALWAYS followed by the protag completely overwhelming them and achieving victory. When the protag is the perspective, it means that their initial stratagem will fail and put them into a corner. In fact, perspective shift during a shounen battle scene is an iron clad perfect way to predict who’s going to win. And JP creators will NEVER, EVER subvert or break this trope.

The shounen trope law I hate the MOST is the ABSOLUTE UNBREAKABLE PILLAR of moral cover.
>protag faces the villain
>even though the villain as a long history of villainous acts, this alone is not good enough to let the protag fight him
>the villain must first do something bad in the immediate scene to allow the fight to begin
>but the protag still isn’t allowed to start to fight, the villain must attack first, usually rebuffing the protag’s peace offering
>after the villain’s defeat, the protag cannot kill them, and must offer surrender terms (usually although not always)
>if the villain is killed, it must be because of some other villain intervening, or the villain trying to backstab the protag’s when walking away after begging for mercy, or some ironic consequence of their evil actions, etc.
When the writer wants to look like they’re being super edgy they can omit a few of those, like the end-battle peace offering, but NO MATTER WHAT, without exception, the protag can NOT have even the APPEARANCE of doing something morally questionable. Even in the most edgy revenge stories, the revenge victims must be absurdly, comically evil at all times to make sure the MC has moral cover.

>>280920724
>But that would mean they couldn't bring back the villain later to fill up more space in their episodes to distract from their poor screenwriting and lack of ideas while simeltaneously increasing money without effort.
One Punch Man is probably the only true OP MC series I can think of that really exemplifies what I'm looking for, but even so, the anime adaptation completely fell on its face after season 1. To screw that up is an incredible feat and somehow they pulled it off. I just want a series where the MC wipes the fucking floor with increasingly hyped enemies until he's bored out of his mind, then dies of satisfaction by either killing himself or meeting an equal foe. Then, his protege takes up the mantle and the series ends, just like that.

>>280920812
>>after the villain’s defeat, the protag cannot kill them, and must offer surrender terms (usually although not always)
>>if the villain is killed, it must be because of some other villain intervening, or the villain trying to backstab the protag’s when walking away after begging for mercy, or some ironic consequence of their evil actions, etc.
These tropes are pretty well established unfortunately. A breath of fresh air would be a protagonist just fucking erasing enemies without even a second thought, and the problems that come from that. Like Overlord but on steroids. The opposite of Cautious Hero. Overzealous Hero.

>MC encounters the Demon King's right-hand men
>immediately destroys them as soon as he sees them
>encounters the Demon King's personal guard
>immediately destroys them
>encounters the Demon King
>immediately destroys them, wonders what the fuss was all about
>encounters the demonic beings the Demon King swore fealty to
>wipes them out in an instant too
>encounters the God of Destruction
>kills him in about 30 seconds
>encounters the creator of the universe, who begs for his forgiveness
>MC relents and gives him a moment's reprieve
>the creator tries to backstab MC
>MC fucking deletes him
>series ends with a tiny little goblin trying to steal his coin purse in the new land of peace and freedom he created
>turns him into a little smoldering crater
Is this so much to ask for, japan?
>captcha:PTSDP
>PTSD

>>280920929
kek

>>280921021
A funny dynamic would be his companions just getting more and more shell-shocked as the MC destroys previously-unstoppable enemies over and over. Like that little dwarf guy watching Ains GRASP HEARTTTO the dragons that had terrorized them for millennia.

>>280921021
Also, all the time that would typically be taken up by the OP's complaints (enemies jobbing, coming in to rescue their friends, MCs stuck behind retarded rules where they can't act until they see something evil) could be taken up by these objectively all-powerful and evil enemies committing atrocities. Let's see the Demon King's right hand men wiping out villages with magic beasts. Let's see the Demon King ordering the death of entire nations. Let's see the demonic beings he swears fealty to ordering the death of multiple worlds. Let's see the God of Destruction feasting on the river of souls from his victims from thousands of worlds. Let's see the creator of the universe playing World of Warships and not having a fucking clue what he's created.

>>280920595
fax

>>280920193 (OP)
they follow formula, tropes and stock character archetypes because a flop can ruin the studio and no one wants to take risks

>>280921164
And as for the women
>retarded initial female companion who expected to take advantage of MC, doubts his abilities, only to get completely outclassed and dies
>unbelievably loyal, beautiful and wonderful best girl with powers who sticks by MC despite his doubts, to become his queen, but one of the enemies kills her through some underhanded method
>a troupe of hanger-ons who join MC and get traumatized by his victories
>greedy princess who uses the chaos to ensnare her favorite boy toy knight (Princess Renner, again), who becomes irrelevant once MC conquers the planet
>and finally, a girl who despite having lost everything due to the consequences of MC's actions, becomes his most loyal worshipper and ends up being his lifelong amor

And most importantly
>retarded female Paladin who tries to stop MC out of her retarded sense of justice and valor, but ends up getting mind broken and kills herself
God, I can only wish for such kino

>>280920193 (OP)
We literally just had this in 2021.

>>280921347
I would actually love to see a female Paladin who is tremendously overzealous and is all about burning the heretics. Most Paladins act like they're running off comic-book morality, when paladins were actually superlative killers who would butcher entire cities of Muslims.

>>280921626
I am of course talking about Retardios (remedios) from the overlord movie, but you are 100% right that there's not a real example of a female paladin in recent series that lives up to the image. Except, of course, Lalatina, who gets turned on by being hit, so that doesn't really count. Dirty girl. She is my wife

>>280921626
>paladins were actually
anon . . .

>>280920193 (OP)
Watch better anime and stop watching anime that is clearly designed to appease the shareholders and to rake in the big bucks. None of the ones you mentioned were designed for commercial success. We still get anime like that, but retards like äYou) don't watch them. And no, I will not spoon-feed you, now fuck off.

>>280921737
op might choke on that red pill

>>280920193 (OP)
>nothing new
Because literally nothing is is new and have already been done before indeed. Believing otherwise is being delusional.

>>280920193 (OP)
All recent anime is adapted from a manga/VN/light novel and is rewritten to try and eke as much profit out of it as possible, because studios know they don't have the next Kimetsu no Yaiba and the best they can hope for is a season that doesn't suck so they might sell a few more DVD box sets in Japan and maybe some shitty nendoroids.

>>280920605
Not OP but you don't love anything in contrast. Because if you truly believed in the legacy of what other great shows achieved in the past, you also would want future successors to go even higher and surpass them.

We have not had an serious, ambitious original in years, putting a bunch of gimmick shows that would have been forgotten in the early 2010s is just a joke and feels more like mindless consumerism than any continuity in ideas or themes.

>>280920193 (OP)
Look for it. I am not even kidding when I tell you there is literally hundred of Anime per Season. Just look on Anichart and find what you like and watch. There is bound to be something you will like out there. It's just not in the front of billboards and advertisements due to big money flowing in.

>>280920450
>>280920558
>character does something
>another character spends 2 minutes explaining what the other character did in analytical detail
This is unirionically because children and teenagers (who are not as smart as they think they are) are in the main demographic for most manga. If something is only stated once retards will literally forget and leave negative reviews or start some shitstorm on social media over their own misinterpretation of the work and those misconceptions will be spread by others who have spedred the work or not read past a handful of chapters. In film/TV things like this have only gotten worse because of the second screen effect and execs will demand that there are more instances of characters explaining what they're doing so people who are half-watching while scrolling their phones don't miss important information. Video game companies like Nintendo are making their platformers extra easy because they found out that the average person can't even get through the first stage of the original Super Mario Bros. Books are overexplaining now as well since the average reader is dumber now. We can complain about it but picky readers who are literate don't buy as much and appealing to a lower common denominator allows authors to actually make livable wages out of art. The lucky ones whose work goes viral despite not babying the readers will have the dumb people not even understanding the plot points but continuing to read it because everyone else is and that's all it takes for a big subsect of consumers.

>>280920193 (OP)
>original series like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy, and Mirai Nikki
you mean originals like Shadowrun lore, "I, Robot" , and every yandere fiction ever written in the past?
>>280921229
stop samefagging yourself.Frieren is great animes and the next DEMON SLAYER.
>>280921580
shojo fiction was already filled with grapes. the writer of Redo Hero told me so! not original.

>>280922819
To be fair, Mirai Nikki popularized and established the Yandere trope as we know it.

>>280920193 (OP)
OP don't listen to these retards, everywhere else people are recognizing the decline of originality, even outside the west. /v/ sees it, /tv/, chinese audiences do, japanese audiences do, korean audiences do, only the retards on /a/ continue to myopically deny it or try to claim the past was just as unoriginal as the present. But they will LOOSE, because no matter how much they try to gaslight these posts are only becoming more and more frequent. They cannot deny REALITY

>>280922848
Mirrai Nikki was also a battle royale for the position of GOD using fucking future cellphones and had all manner of crazy characters like that eyeball guy, cultists, parallel universes, etc. It's much more than just a "yandere" series. Like, what other yandere series has scenes like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rX6rDZCdhY

>>280920193 (OP)
Anime isn't dead yet, pi. Have faith.

>>280920193 (OP)
>We previously had original series like Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy, and Mirai Nikki
You don't watch much anime.
>>280920227
>Complete slop : slice-of-life slop, yurislop, gachaslop.
You absolutely don't watch any anime.
>I was just looking for good recent anime recommendations
You don't even post here.

>>280920929
You already got that in Instant Death Cheat. Dude has no meaningful enemies and can kill everybody instantly the second they are hostile or even THINK about being hostile to him. He barely gives a shit too.

And just like your idea it's transparently narou-kei

>>280920193 (OP)
Manga publications are having a lot of financial troubles these days, and are imposing stricter limits on comics that fail to get an audience suiting their ambitions depending on what periodical they're published in.

You can see it in the churn of comics in the past 10 years of Jump, but also it just feels like authors and editors are a lot more savvy of audience wants and expectations(and these have become stricter and simpler over time), making for a more 'engineered' product. I think the biggest culprit of this in the modern age is Dandadan(Kaiju 8 also falls in here, but it's not good), but it has always arguably been around. See: the sports and magical girlfriend fads in manga of past decades.

>>280920193 (OP)
>like the writers are afraid of offending someone?

Because every time somebody does get offended everybody is in a mad dash to dogeza so hard to the complaining party that they break their spines.

>>280920193 (OP)
You don't watch anime, retard

>>280920724
You're not gonna do shit. Also, anyone who uses the term slop needs to be rangebanned.

>>280920193 (OP)
There's Lord of Mysteries

>>280923557
Incoherent mess.

>>280923557
This show it's like it's all done with ia. The nonsensical fights, the flat flavorless characters, the generic art but with 23 filters...

>>280920450
i like all of these tropes. if you don't like anime then why are you watching it? and if you do, then why are you going out of your way to watch bad anime? good animedon't have these problems. you sound like a tourist.

>>280920302
Nyaight of the Living Cat is bad and you should feel bad.
It could have been good as an OVA without such bad cat cgi.

>>280923473
Dandadan's over reliance on in-your-face fanservice in the earlier volumes only to turn it down like crazy after the first few volumes is another example of blatant baiting for a specific audience.

>>280920193 (OP)
>we want to sell to China (tone down sex, violence, weird relationships)
>we want to sell to the US (be politically correct and tone down sex)
>we want to sell to SEA (beware of religious taboos)

>>280922931
It's also a bad show that's only popular because of shock factor so that's probably why they don't do a lot of stuff like it.

>>280924633
It's a good show, because it know what it wants to be and delivers on it.

>>280924645
It's enjoyable if you turn your brain off but it suffers from both thinking it's smarter than it is and thinking you care about the cast more than you do. If you want a recent show like that it reminds me a lot of Talentless Nana in how it wants you to think the dumbest most contrived shit imaginable is smart actually.

>>280924676
>it suffers from both thinking it's smarter than it is
Give examples.

Nice thread

>>280924697
It's been years since I watched it but the male MC messing with the stock market with his powers, everything regarding the fat chef, the purple bitch sacrificing herself to blow up the vault only for it to not work and worst of all, everything regarding the most blatant kaworu ripoff I've ever seen in my life come to mind.

>>280920227
one punch man is great. there's also hands off eizouken, which is really good. watch those two then move on to a more rewarding medium like film or novels.

>>280920193 (OP)
Gou/Sotsu wouldn't exist if that were the case.

>>280920558
>which you hardly notice because of the medium
No, it can be extremely noticeable in manga too. See: HxH and its infamous walls of text.

>>280921580
>2021
It was a different time.

Amazing how you can always tell threads like this are from some idiot whose idea of anime is the latest Jumpshit adaptation.

>>280920193 (OP)
>Original series
>Mirai Nikki
Dumb fuck.

>>280920193 (OP)
>Maximum adherence to formula, tropes, and stock characters
Because that's what those writters learned from.

This isn't new but I would say it got worse overtime, current writters just draw inspiration from past works of the same médium and genre, same thing is happening in video games and literature.

In part I think modern life and the saturation of media is to blame, in the past there was more of a mix of inspirations from diferent mediums mixed with life experiences, but I'm talking like more than 20 years ago.

Muh subversive media.

>>280924961
>one punch man is great
I seriously hope you're only talking about the first season or the webcomic.