What was the moral of this show?

>>280928899 (OP)

How is it anyway? Some AIslop guy I check out occasionally has been posting galleries of Shizuka engaging in prostitution and Marina getting raped and it's made me more interested in the show/manga.

It's oaky to cry

>>280928899 (OP)
Cycles of hatred fucking suck ass
Don't trust alien beings trying to help you

babbys first misery porn

>>280928899 (OP)
Marina deserved to die and the general population is so depressingly retarded they'll argue she didn't. You can literally write the most comically evil character ever and they'll still do this over a lacking sob story. Not even ironically like with Griffith.
>Actually it's not that bad to chase someone over a hundred times to kill their dog and them
>Look her mom smacked her around and her dad said mean words and bought a prostitute so it's not her fault

>>280928899 (OP)
Didn't you read the title? The point is that humans are inherently sinful.

>>280929044
This. All women should be raped.

>>280929079
Octopods, you mean?
>>280928984
That's fucked up
can you link it?
>>280929044
whatever, but why single out Marina

>>280929044
Marina deserved to be disciplined and punished, sure, but not killed. She is a 10-year old kid that didn't know any better. Her home life being shitty wasn't meant to justify her actions but rather show that this was just how she was grown and what she was used to, something the anime literally spells out in the latest episode for naive and retarded viewers. Without a better influence, Shizuka also ends up following in her mom's shitty footsteps by seducing and manipulating Azuma in both timelines.

>>280929044
No children deserve to die, you crazy motherfucker.

>>280928899 (OP)
It’s the world that sucks, not me, or something like that

>>280928899 (OP)
You know what's better than altruism? Winning.

>>280929044
Marinatards always blame Shizuka when she's the one who started it all and getting her boyfriend stolen was her own comeuppance.

>>280929181
>whatever, but why single out Marina
Because they're a rabid little bitch who kills for nothing
>>280929182
Well she wasn't getting disciplined or punished and instead getting encouraged and supported in killing actual innocent people.
>>280929200
You lose the title of a normal kid when you try that hard to kill someone over nothing. Her and her family deserved death.

>>280928899 (OP)
Kill your parents.

>>280929181
112520198 on pixiv, also 90418429 did a Marina set with a more ambiguous setting, but it's fanbox or whatever so you'd have to check the usual suspects for the full thing.

>>280929200
Marina is beyond saving. She's willing to stab another defenseless crying child in the eye.

>>280929200
Fuck that, Marina definitely deserved it. 10 years old in an abusive home my ass.

>>280929280
I love how they bring up Shizuka manipulating as if Marina didn't manipulate people over a hundred times just to kill this bitch because her retarded daddy fucked Shizukas whore mother.

>>280928899 (OP)

There's so many real life Marinas who were allowed to keep living and ruin lives. Sometimes, it's better to recognize that some people came out the womb wrong and you need to put them down before they grow and become more capable in dismantling and hurting others.

>>280928899 (OP)
Moral of the story: emotional manipulation still sells.

>>280929182
But consider this: Marina a cute, Shizuka a whore.

>>280929401
>Sometimes, it's better to recognize that some people came out the womb wrong
That's why this anime is nothing but torture porn bullshit. Instead of deconstructing this common sense idea that people are inherently evil, it reinforces it.

>>280929287
>>280929361
Your sense of justice is thwarted.
>>280929358
>Marina is beyond saving
She just needs to be separated from her toxic environment and receive proper medical care. The violent outbursts that she has are largely treatable at her age.

>>280929287
Yeah, obviously her getting encouraged is bad, but it's retarded to say she's irredeemable and deserves to be killed when it's shown the slightest positive attention or influence can help them change. Anyone that looks at this series in a black and white morality has to be either shitposting or they still haven't gotten over being bullied in middleschool.

>>280929287
>You lose the title of a normal kid when you try that hard to kill someone over nothing
She tortured and killed Shizuka many times. It arguably would have been more merciful to stab or beat her to death.

What was takopi's original sin actually?

The world would probably be a better place without Marina or Shizuka.

>>280929443
Trvke

>>280929537
Existence

>>280929339
Work of art over a work of art

>>280929500
>deconstructing this common sense idea that people are inherently evil, it reinforces it
It is very explicitly shown that anyone that commits "evil" acts throughout this series does so because of either external influences or pressure, though.

>>280928899 (OP)
Bullies deserve eternal suffering. And that revenge served when they least expect it is the sweetest.

>>280929521
She's irredeemable for torturing and killing someone for nothing, and trying so hard to do it an alien with actual time travel travel couldn't stop the bitch after a hundred attempts. Her being a kid isn't an excuse because kids go through infinitely worse than her and don't do this. She's just defective and not safe to have around more normal humans or creatures. If you wanted to save her so bad you had to do it before she tried her hardest to torture and kill someone for nothing.

>>280928899 (OP)
everyone needs communism, capitalism is misery

>>280929537
Trying to fix what he didn't understand

>>280929520
>She just needs to be separated from her toxic environment and receive proper medical care. The violent outbursts that she has are largely treatable at her age.
Why the environment became toxic? Why there was no proper medical care? If Takopi was a decent show these would be its focus. Too bad it only wanted to make normies cry.

>>280929621
>nothing
In her eyes, Shizuka is responsible for breaking up her happy family and making her father abusive towards her mom with in turn made her mom abusive towards her and pressuring her to 'protect' and 'defend' her mom. Of course, that's not the truth, but as a 10-year old kid that was forced to grow up faster than she should, she genuinely believes that to be the case.

The opening song is very cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FgdaGOw9s

>>280929443
Shizuka confirmed a whore
still best girl though

>>280929608
But it's so badly done that no one cares

>>280929608
>she's only acting evil because her parents are evil
Big difference.

Takopi’s camera is so powerful, it can get you anything you want in this world but the kids in this show are like “nah no thanks i don’t wanna hear about it”

>>280929714
Nah, people are just too stubborn to reconsider their preconceived notions from ep1. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a deep or complicated series in the slightest, it's literally made for teens, but your average western anime viewer can't wrap their heads around a character they disliked at first having even the slightest amount of depth.

>>280929803
It has to be this way otherwise there's no misery porn, anon.

>>280928899 (OP)
Be a better parent

>>280929700
Her eyes don't matter all that matters is she's not only wrong but exaggerating how bad things are to justify doing the worst to someone who didn't do anything to them. No one cares about how fucked up your little hell spawns brain is. It's just exactly why she and her parents need to die.

>>280929803
Takopi told nobody about the camera's time travel function before it was broken, Shizuka interrupted him before he said it during the first episode because 90% of his tools are, in fact, pretty useless.

>>280929500
In fact, that's one of the few good things this anime did. It went all the way with its grim/dark nature and didn't compromise in a cliche way like you would have it to. It's how it works in real life. Once a child is a certain way by Marina's age, near puberty, it's over for that child's capacity to change. It's better this way. You can't deconstruct what is objectively true.

>Blushes at the sole idea of handholding
And you want to convince me that the other bitch who steals boyfriends and food from innocent street markets is the good guy of the story?

>>280929676
The point of the show is that the alien doesn't know shit about humanity. It's impossible for it to guide the kids into the right direction with its current knowledge.

>>280929500
>people are inherently evil
This is actually true in some cases though. Some people are just born with the wrong wires crossed, though it is rare and not applicable to anyone in this show.

>>280928899 (OP)
>literally needed to travel back in time
Mind your own business.

>>280928899 (OP)
>Marina entire life would have been fixed by a greasy fat old man
>Shizuka entire life would have been fixed by a greasy fat old man
Now how much a greasy fat old man would have helped Azuma?

I knew a Marina once in my childhood. People always gave her the benefit of the doubt even when she molested another girl for fun and rubbed a cheese grater on another girl's skin to the point she had to get skin grafts.
>She'll change! It's just her abusive parents, you guys!
15 years later, she murder suicided herself and her son out of spite for her hick husband.

>>280930064
Ouch. At least the problem fixed itself eventually.

>>280929876
Are you actually retarded, anon? Of course it matters when she believed it to be true and nobody ever fixed or challenged that idea, in fact her mom literally beat that idea into her head every night.

>>280929182
There is a universe of difference between "my home life is shitty and so growing up I learned to bully other kids to let off steam" and "my home life is shitty and so I will intentionally destroy everything that brings this kid joy with the singular purpose of getting her to commit suicide". One is a common way to cope, the other is psychopath behavior.

>>280929842
It's precisely for been badly done that the reactions to the character are negative. None of this would have happened if she had been portrayed more subtly instead of as the reincarnation of the devil.

>>280929954
Ugly monolid evil bitch

>>280929876
But Marina is extremely hot, that's why she should keep living on.

>>280930064
Was said girl as hot as Marina?

>>280930094
In her case, it's "I had a sweet family and good life that was ruined because of my classmate so I will ruin everything she has as revenge and to save my family".

>>280928899 (OP)
People who get bullied deserve it

>>280930093
It doesn't matter when she's using that to hurt and kill people. You're trying to bring up her shit home or twisted perception as some reasoning for why but it doesn't matter. All that matters is removing the threat.

>>280930097
>if she had been portrayed more subtly
Do you really think 10 year old bullying is subtle, or can be subtle without making it look like dumb anime bullshit?

>>280930155
yeah you were definitely bullied when you were in middleschool

Woof
Woof

>>280930155
It's like someone is trying to shoot you over your soda and before you go to finally shoot back some retard pops up out of nowhere to tell (You)
>Don't heckin hurt them you psycho they had le bad childhood

>>280928955
fuck you

>>280929709
Spoiler that wtf

>>280930155
It does matter when you remember we’re talking about children (not even teenagers lol) and not adults

>>280930222
Marina deserved to be punished, nobody would defend her if Shizuka broke her nose or leg or something, but no kid deserves to be killed.

>>280930240
Would you still say that if another kid drove your son/daughter into suicide?

>>280929941
Some people have ailments, mental and physical (like brain tumors or hormonal disorders for example) that make them miserable and alter their emotions and thinking, so they end up lashing out and doing evil things. Some of those issues can be fixed or alleviated with modern medicine and therapy.

>>280930205
The character you're defending didn't just bully someone you retarded loser, they tried to kill them over a hundred times despite trying to resolve the situation peacefully. It's unrealistically bad but you stupid semen stains still defend it.

Humans commit atrocities to each other. Ultimately life is pointless and we are all slaves to our existence. Everyone is suffering and dispensing suffering onto others. People aren't inherently evil, they're inherently emotional. The only constant is pain. Utopia is impossible. Takopi was corrupted by humans and brought the "rough" behavior back to his home planet. Still, through it all, there can be glimmers of joy.

>>280930263
No kid should be killing other kids for nothing, much less trying that hard to do it, but there marina was. It doesn't matter if you're a kid at that point.

>Main boy is fucked up by expectations of his parent
>Option 1 is a fiery, rough, long haired girl
>Option 2 is an emotionally distant/stunted girl with short hair that reminds him of his mother
>Both are terrible options and yet the boy is torn between them
>When actually the answer was the only other positive male figure in the show who actually cared for the boy
Thought this sounded familiar

>>280929961
The alien's lack of knowledge about humanity would be perfect for raising all these questions but instead of a curious visitor the show reduced him to a nave dumb fuck. And why? Because the goal is to make normies cry and nothing else.

>>280930283
Yeah. I would kill their parents but not them (they’re going straight to a reformatory anyway)

>>280928899 (OP)
You didn't bully that kid hard enough

>>280930187
she spends an entire day obsessively and methodically tracking down her victim and her dog throughout the entire town solely to carry out her premeditated plan to get herself bit and have the dog be euthanized. in my book that goes straight past "bullying" into "deranged lunatic" territory.

>>280930290
I don't think you understand how time travel works. Marina didn't try to kill her a hundred times, just once, everything happened once in her perspective. Her goal wasn't even to get her to kill herself, it was to rip apart anything that brought her joy because in her perspective, she did the same to her. Not a single adult tried to reach out to her or Shizuka to try to help her and Takopi could never get through to them at the beginning of the series because he didn't understand what they were going through.

>>280930284
So just drugging them senseless until they can't act out? What kind of solution is that? Waste of time and energy. In a more reasonable world, the moment a child acts like Marina, they should be put away for good.

>>280930379
If we started putting down kids for acting out or harming each other we would kill half of the population in a year and the other half would be depressed repressed retards like Azuma.

>>280930263
A broken nose or leg isn't even REMOTELY equivalent to relentless bullying with the express purpose of making your victim kill herself.

>>280930321
>best girl is a boy
Every time.

>>280928899 (OP)
>What was the moral of this show?
Bros before hoes.

>>280930369
It was a hundred different timelines or resets where an alien tried to avoid her ass and stop her from killing the whores daughter but she still desperately went for it. Fuck off retard. No one fucking cares about your evil little characters lack of awareness or damaged brain. You tried that hard to kill someone you deserve to die it's that simple. The character feeling don't matter and neither do yours when they're a threat that's not even being addressed until after they already killed .

>>280930187
We're talking about presentation. And presentation is made by choices. A good artist makes good ones, Takopi made the cheap ones.

>>280930412
I think we could safely put down every single kid who's crazy enough to intentionally suffer an animal attack just to get someone's pet put down and the world would either notice little different or become noticeably better.

>>280930412
Behavioural therapy is a joke. Drugging them is just dodging the issue, which isn't really manageable. It's a headache. Life is a gamble in every aspect. Kid could have an idealic life at home and at school and still rape some classmate just because. Life is scary.

>>280930369
>Her goal wasn't even to get her to kill herself, it was to rip apart anything that brought her joy because in her perspective
The result is the same and she clearly doesn't care what happens to her you fucking idiot

>>280930456
Yes, Takopi intentionally makes its presentation very explicit, not for cheap shock value but to depict the real suffering people go through. The series wants the viewer to see Marina as a demon that breaks even Takopi at the beginning of the series and the rest of the series shows the viewer and Takopi that Marina was just as much of a human as Shizuka despite her irredeemable actions.

>>280930369
>Her goal wasn't even to get her to kill herself
Then why did she tell her to kill herself?

>>280929044
For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
Not only did Marina deserve to die for her sins; she also deserves to go to hell for eternal damnation in hellfire.

>she wasn't trying to kill her she was just trying to torture her as badly as possible before she died
Marinafaggots are mentally ill

>>280930565
Probably because she hated her and wanted her gone. She would be happy if Shizuka killed herself, but that wasn't her objective, her objective was making her life hell because in her perspective Shizuka made her life hell.

>>280930612
>I shot you and talked about shooting you but I didn't mean for the bullets to kill you that wasn't muh objective
Might as well kill yourself at this point

>>280928899 (OP)
SIMPS BAD

>>280930664
you can shoot to incapacitate someone without killing them

>>280930610
I swear people are trying to act like I'm saying Marina is innocent or something. She's not, she did a lot of terrible things and deserves to be held responsible for all of them, whether it's being sent to detention for years or having all her limbs get broken. But killing her is a step too far and makes it so she'll never understand what she did wrong and never manage to improve. No 10-year old deserves to be death, let alone one whose bad behavior is so easily traceable to her parents. The series itself shows that she becomes a lot more docile in her highschool years and even becomes a sweet romantic girl with Takopi's influence before it's cut short by a manipulative Shizuka that never had a Takopi or anyone else to show her proper affection or be a good influence.

>>280930791
She deserves to get corrected by anons in this thread

>>280930345
It could've been an interesting direction, possibly better than the actual show if well executed but it's still good the way it is.

>>280928899 (OP)
Every woman needs a man to take care of her.

>>280930559
What you described is exactly a cheap approach, because it assumes that to show the real suffering that people go through, complexities need to be eliminated and people turned into monsters or saints.

>>280930142
Shizuka literally did nothing to ruin Marina's family life. Marina being retarded and blaming the wrong person doesn't make her actions any more justifiable. Blaming her father or Shizuka's mom would make sense, Shizuka does not control her mother's actions.

>>280930586
No but if given the option marina would probably have shizuka tortured forever and her defenders would defend that too. I mean in their eyes that's what she was trying to do anyway since she didn't heckin know better and assumed torturing someone could never result in death. The worst interpretation of Christian hell is nothing compared to marina fans, as long as she's inflicting it.

>>280930833
This thread itself shows that your average viewer cannot handle any character complexity.

>>280930791
Killing her isn't too far when she's already torturing and killing people for no reason. If you're trying to save her that late you didn't do enough.

>>280930846
Yeah it is a very immature way to look at things, it's almost as if she's a kid or something.

Bullying is one thing, but intentionally getting someone's dog killed and then inducing them to commit suicide is more like attempted murder. There were kids in my school who were really mean and nasty but I never saw anything like that.

>>280930783
Well marina shot to inflict pain not stop a threat from moving. And I guess she and her fans were retarded and lacking enough common sense to assume the inflicting of pain would last forever because people are just immortal or something.

>>280930369
>Her goal wasn't even to get her to kill herself
weird, considering she was trying to make her kill herself

>>280930850
Again, I never said Marina is innocent. Marina deserves to be given the harshest discipline and punishment a 10-year old can possibly get, but no 10-year old deserves to be killed.

>>280930955
Exactly this is obviously beyond bullying you would ever see irl but people still defend the one doing it. It's really no wonder a lot of people get no help with bullying when they're willing to tolerate this much being done to someone for no reason. Just say mommy hits you at home and you can skin dogs and have people's eyes gouged out apparently.

Look, I can understand Shizuka's dad not telling his daughters about his other daughter. I can even understand him not wanting to let her into his house when she showed up on his doorstep.

But why the everloving fuck does he just let her go after the fact? Why not, y'know, call the police and tell them that a homeless looking child showed up at your apartment so she can get picked up and get help?

>>280931083
Because the parents are all misery creation plot devices. If they ever acted like normal people the story would fall apart.

>>280931038
You're arguing as if she doesn't deserve death when she does for trying very hard to kill for no good reason. No 10 year old is doing this shit irl even despite much worse conditions.

>>280931083
>I can understand Shizuka's dad not telling his daughters about his other daughter.
Bad life decision #1
>I can even understand him not wanting to let her into his house when she showed up on his doorstep.
Bad life decision #2
>But why the everloving fuck does he just let her go after the fact? Why not, y'know, call the police and tell them that a homeless looking child showed up at your apartment so she can get picked up and get help?
At that point, why not keep going and see what happens? That's clearly carried him this far.

>>280928899 (OP)
>PLEASE cry
>Just... PLEASE cry. It's so sad, right? Look, children are KILLING themselves, BULLYING, YELLING and SCREAMING.
>Child abuse! Look, LOOK. It's so fucking fucked up, and we're putting HAPPY music over it. HAPPY music and a CUTE and INNOCENT mascot character. It's so DISTURBING, right?
Schloppy schlop for brain damaged schlop eaters
At least the animation is nice, though.

>>280931038
>>280931124
>Marina deserves to be given the harshest discipline and punishment a 10-year old can possibly get
Getting killed is one of those. You're using irl rules for an exaggeratedly evil child in a story about squid aliens.

>>280931216
Everything in the story except Takopi is portrayed as realistic, and nobody in this story is "exaggeratedly" evil.

>>280931083
Because doing that would inconvenience him. There is no scenario where acknowledging she is in his house doesn't come back to bite him in the ass, specially if the police gets involved.

>>280931261
Trying to kill someone and their dog who did nothing to you so hard that a time traveling alien has trouble stopping you is exaggeratedly evil you delusional faggot

>>280931312
Marina thinks Shizuka ruined her family and she is never taught otherwise before she dies. Takopi can't stop her because he is retarded and has no idea what to do.

The implications of shitty parents on kids,also all the protagonist are shit and I can't root for anyone but Pi,am not sure why many boards collectively lost their minds over this show

>>280931038
>Marina deserves to be given the harshest discipline and punishment a 10-year old can possibly get
I agree. She deserves to be raped by ME.

>>280931432
many boards?

>>280931432
>lost their minds
How so? They love it?

>>280931382
It doesn't matter what she thinks because it's not what happened. You and your characters schizo perception of reality doesn't count as a justified reason for what you do. Takopi despite their inexperience should have easily been able to avoid this bitch by taking different routes to stay away if she was an actual child like irl instead of a murderous psycho who was basically hunting them. Fuck off already with this weak ass defense

Toxic yuri when?

>>280931532
1 week

>>280928899 (OP)
People are evil and trying to help them is a fools endeavor.

>>280931083
>taking responsibility for your past family your current family knows nothing about
That is a fast track to having to explain a lot of shit that could very much ruin your family life. He's an absolute shithead for it, but it's very sensible.
You can immediately notice his tone shift when his current kids get involved. If Shizuka had caught him at a time when he was alone he'd probably been less reticent to talk with her, but if he talked freely with his kids around that's making it back to his wife which will immediately raise a bunch of red flags.

>>280928899 (OP)
>They fuck you up, your mum and dad

>>280931579
He ruined his childs life so he doesn't deserve a life

>>280931498
Are you actually retarded? Of course it matters what she thinks because's not an omnipotent viewer, she can only act on what she knows and believes to be true and she can only behave how she was taught to behave. If she had some good influences in her life or she got to grow up, she might have been corrected (heh) and regretted what she did and felt guilt for being a stupid cruel kid, but neither can actually happen when she is dead, which is why killing her is bad.

>>280931685
>because's
*because she's

canonically more pretty than Shitrina

>>280931579
He's not just a bad dad, he's abusive. He sees that shizuka is clearly being abused and he chases her away and does nothing.

>>280931732
Only canonically?

>>280931732
I don't understand japanese eyes autism.

>>280931685
It doesn't matter because it's not what fucking happened retard. She doesn't actually have a reason for doing what she does. She only THINKS it happened or really rationalizes that it did despite all the evidence available showing otherwise. They have a whole scene where she smacks this bitch around and ultimately stabs them if she even bothers to talk back or explain anything while the alien is disguised as her. Your stupidity doesn't justify you doing this cartoonishly evil shit. You're talking about what ifs that would only maybe work long before she started killing. It was too late by the time she's hunting this bitch and her alien friend for nothing.

This show has made me feel more feelings in its runtime than I've felt all of January through June.

Marina literally didn't want to know better or do things peacefully. When you have the nicest creature you'll probably ever meet trying to redeem you and give you a chance but you're still beating them up and stabbing them you're too far gone as a creature.

Is the author a man or a woman? The way the brothers are portrayed makes me think it's a man.

>marina meets takopi
>beats and kicks the shit out of him for no reason
>shizuka meets takopi
>feeds him and takes care of him for no reason
i think its obvious whos good at heart

>>280932002
marina also fed him and shizuka killed takopi

>>280931749
He's just another evil person in general. If you can't even treat your own kid with basic decency you're among the worst.

>>280931732
Fair game.
Cuckzuma prefers Shizuka because she has double eyelids like her mother, I prefer Marina because she has long blonde hair like mine.

>>280932002
Yes, Marina.

>>280932002
Marina lashes out and hurts people and Shizuka manipulates and uses them. As soon as Shizuka felt that Takopi wasn't useful anymore she tried to kill it.

>>280932038
Marina beats his ass and stabs him for talking back and having what she considered an annoying way of speaking when he's disguised as shizuka and trying to give her a chance.

>>280928899 (OP)

>oh look it´s my kid
>better ignore her and let her wander in town alone forever
Is this retard serious? like for real?
The moment she gets run over by a car the entire blame will be put on him. It´s obvious she is here because of him, how the fuck is he gonna prove it wasn´t him who brought her, or convinced her to come.
Also her new wife will obviously found out he not only had a child but also left her and also abandoned her again.
Did he seriously just went "oh it´ll solve itself somehow" and kept going with his life?

>>280931947
Takopi might be nice, but it was impossible for him to ever get through to her that quickly when he had no understanding of the situation or what Marina was feeling, especially when she was pretending to be Shizuka. When they meet in 2022, Takopi quickly becomes someone Marina can talk about her worries and dreams while he helps her open up and find a lover.

>>280932093
Marina literally manipulates tons of people to help kill shizuka you stupid faggot lmao

>>280928899 (OP)
takopi deserves better

>>280932149
>When they meet in 2022
she still beats and kicks him like he killed her dog or something

>>280932002
they are both evil, but just because they have shit parents. Marina is more abusive because she has an abusive mother and Shizuka is more inconsiderate because she has an absent mother

>>280931312
People keep trying to act like these things happen to every kid and it just makes me wonder what shithole they grew up in to think that

>>280932170
Watch the show on 1.0 speed next time, retard.

>>280931961
There is 0 evidence about the author gender. I'm 100% sure it's a male, but Jump always matched them with their first female editor or something, so it's hard to tell

>>280932149
It's impossible to tolerate someone like marina because they torture and kill you for no reason while not even attempting to understand the situation or let you speak. Just hope her mommy never complains about you or someone you know otherwise you could be a target too.

>>280932228
>Shizuka is more inconsiderate because she has an absent mother
Nope. She became evil because that's all she knew (thanks to Marina's non-stop abuse)

>>280932234
If you had watched the show you'd see marina manipulates tons of people to torture shizuka and kill her and the dog you stupid little bitch.

>>280932217
She still literally takes him into her home and takes care of him for weeks, she's just used to physical violence because that's how she was raised as Takopi explicitly points out.

how do I save all the little girls in the world from having shit parents and becoming shit people themselves?

>stops at nothing to find her dog and avenge it
Fellas is Shizuka John Wick?

>>280930586
It gives God no pleasure to destroy sinners, and He never gives up on them all the way to the end.
At only 10 years old, she had plenty of time and potential to repent.

also why are people ITT talking like the anime finished, I thought it had another episode or two left?

>>280932301
Statistically speaking, there are several little girls in your vicinity that you already failed to save.

>>280932301
I don't know anon, I would tell you to become a millionaire and invest in orphanages, but the last time a millionaire genuinely cared about children like Michael Jackson he was branded a pedophile.

>>280932347
It has an episode left but it is a manga adaptation and the manga ended a whilr ago.
It ends with Marina and Shizuka as friends by the way.

>>280932347
There's 1 episode left and we all know what happens (nothing). There is no resolution. There is no catharsis. It just ends abruptly and that's it. All characters remain their bitter old selves and continue to carry their problems.
t. animeonly

>>280930586
But God is against (You) dying for your sins because there is always a chance to repent and redeem yourself.

>>280932283
Leading a bullying group is not really manipulation, especially when the target is someone like Shizuka who already stands out in a bad way. The other girls just took part in what was to them just picking on the weird girl with the whore mom, Marina decides to get the dog killed and push Shizuka to suicide all on her own. And I'm not even saying Marina never manipulates anyone it's just not her main form of abuse, when she's a teenager she has no friends so she clearly is not exactly Svengali. Similarly, Shizuka can also lash out physically which she does at the end of the last episode but it's again not her main form of abuse. Shizuka abuses emotionally because that's the behavior she learned from her mother and Marina abuses physically because that's what she learned from hers. The story is not subtle about this.

a pleasant slice of life

>>280932434
>spoiler
which is retarded considering they already went that route at the very start and it didn't end well

>>280932441
>>280932434
Ah yeah. I did skim the manga after episode 2, and stopped watching there so that I could binge it. Didn't want to spoil myself *too* hard, but have been hoping that the anime adaptation could ah... maybe clarify some things or polish them up, you know?

>>280932441
>All characters remain their bitter old selves and continue to carry their problems.
Don't you just hate realism?

>>280932472
Stop slicing life! It has rights and feelings!

>>280932537
>slices life wide open to see if chappy is inside

>>280932477
The idea wasn't the bad part, Takopi just didn't understand humans at the beginning. Positivity is meaningless without empathy.

>>280932462
She literally attacks shizuka to get the dog to bite her so she can cry to the adults and have the dog killed with shizuka following not long after. And she knows about suicide and the importance of the dog, it's why she bothers targeting it. It's literally manipulating people to help kill someone else, cause she's le scared injured little girl. Light yourself on fire you lying worthless faggot.

>>280932615
>Light yourself on fire you lying worthless faggot.
I think this anon might be a little manipulative...

>>280932477
The difference is that the first time they were two children who had forgotten what it was like to experience love and the feeling that you really matter to someone. All they felt was that the world sucked because all their loved ones abandoned them, seeing Takopi's sketch in the notebook subconsciously reminded them that there is/was someone who loved them with all their might and that's why they were able to form a bond, at the end of the day Takopi’s love and kindness is what saved them. That's why I have mixed feelings about the ending, it tells you that it's communication what made them become friends, but that possibility of empathizing with each other was only born thanks to magic, time travel and the fact that they both formed a bond with Takopi in 2 different worlds.

>>280932643
You're lying poorly in defense of a character who was written to be irredeemable

>>280932706
Stop gaslighting, you evil wench.

>>280932643
>>280932706
>No u
Marinafaggots are wastes of life

>>280932594
What fucking lack of empathy? Being battered and having your eyes gouged for trying to understand what Marina's problem is and still not giving up on her is the epitome of empathy. The author is just a hack who wanted to end things quickly without knowing how. The Japanese way

>>280932731
Stop defending shit characters and get better taste

>>280932752
Nips can't help themselves from failing at moral lessons or ending their stories

>>280932775
Stop getting mad because you can't understand a very basic and unsubtle story.

>>280932775
Lashing out at random strangers won't bring back Chappy.

Shizuka killed Takopi with a stone and then he's suddenly fine again? That time when Marina stabbed him in the eye was sus too. Does he even need the camera or the clock to go back in time?

>>280928899 (OP)
>>280932129
Women must be kept on a tight leash and dicked regularly or they go crazy and start cycles of evil. None of the problems in the show would have happened if the families of the kids had a non-absent father.

>>280932911
Can his species even die? None of them seem to have a concept of death or killing.

>>280932963
he recognized when shizuka was dead so they must

>>280932752
Takopi had no idea what Marina was going through or why she did the things she did. After seeing Marina's parents fight in front of him, he thought they were lively and cheerful. He has no idea what a divorce is. He doesn't know what an escort does. He doesn't understand the weight of murder until the end of ep3. The fact that Takopi can't effectively emphatize with humans, despite trying to over and over, is the backbone of the series.

>>280932813
It's very basic and unsubtle the character you're defending deserved to die. Pointing at irl kids as a defense doesn't work.
>>280932838
Torturing and killing strangers won't unfuck your mentally ill family

>>280932936
Crazy to think that Azuma, the most normal of the 3, has also an absent father. Not having a present father is directly proportional to having problems.

>>280928899 (OP)
It's misery porn and anyone who says otherwise is a pseud.

>>280933058
Elsewhat'm'st've'd

Takopi and the dog are the only nice characters in this show just kill everyone else.

So uhhh why did Schizu-chan take a swing at Takopi? It felt so out of character. Leaving him behind would make more sense

>>280933158
Anikibros…
Not like this

This author is like
>kicks a puppy
>"Don't you feel bad for her?"
>Yeah of course
>kicks puppy again
>"Isn't this sad?"
>Already was but yeah
>puppy is now shown biting a person
>"Are you sad now?"
>I felt bad for it before but that was kinda weird
>kicks puppy again
>"Sad isn't it?"
>puppy alternates between being kicked and attacking people

>>280933161
Because she's evil.

>>280933195
character assassination at it's finest
shizuka would never

How do marinafaggots argue that the character was innocent while also saying the story was easy for them to understand? You don't manipulate people into helping you torture someone, kill their dog and kill them while still being innocent. That's not what innocent means.

I...I...I just want to rape those two girls...maybe that way both could be united in a sisterhood of rape

>>280933252
they cope by repeating ONLY kuze manipulates people

>>280928899 (OP)
Azuma would've stayed with Marina if he realized she was also a damsel in distress. Marina failed to activate his saviour complex.

>>280933252
Because the point isn't that she's innocent, it's that she didn't deserve to be killed, something the show explicitly states over and over.

>>280933252
If you read the posts that set you off again you will notice that I never said Marina is innocent.

>>280928899 (OP)
In a world of Marinas, Shizukas, and Marina and Shizuka Mamas and Papas, be a Junya

>>280930283
Like the other anon said, I'd kill their parents.

>>280933313
But you faggots repeatedly say it's not her fault because muh parents even though people go through worse abuse and still don't do this shit. Anyone who's torturing or killing someone for no reason deserves to die for everyone's sake. This would be obvious if you weren't fucking retarded.

>>280933313
>kill an innocent dog and an innocent person
>doesn't deserve to die
Does not compute.

>>280929200
There's a lot of children that deserves to die, Marina and Shizuka aren't one of them.

>>280933348
I've read multiple posts repeating it's not marinas fault because of how her parents were you lying useless bitch

>>280928899 (OP)
Bashing alien skulls helps them remember forgotten things

>>280932459
You can only repent from a sin, once.

>>280928899 (OP)
Time traveling suck.

>>280928955
fippy bippy

>>280933423
Name 10 more deserving of death than Marina. Bonus points if they are roughly the same age and anime characters

>>280933423
The moment they hurt Takopi was the moment that cemented they needed to die.

>>280933195
The show is trying to state a message but you can't see it because you're busy looking at the cast as puppies. It's trying to show Shizuka doesn't trust others due to her neglect, like how Marina is physically violent due to her mother's abuse and Azuma is dependant on others due to her mother's manipulation. You can't see the most obvious theme in the world because you've already decided the show is nothing more than misery porn.

>>280928899 (OP)
You can kill people with kindness.

>>280933390
Her mother being responsible for her behavior, her needing to be punished and her not deserving to be killed are statements that can all exist together.

>>280931122
That's what I hate about this anime and why I can't understand people saying anything in this show is being portrayed realistically. The only characters with any sort of positive trait are Junya and Azuma. Everyone else is just horrible just well BECAUSE. Parents? Horrible. Teacher? Horrible. Classmates? Horrible. Townspeople? Horrible. MCs? Horrible. When every single character in the show has absolutely no positive or redeeming qualities, it's not realistic at all. It's extremely one dimensional for the sole purpose of trying to hamfist a sad story down your throat. Endless misery and but wait there's more bullshit trauma does not equal depth in character or plot. And the ending is even worse because there is literally no consequences for anyone.

>>280932002
>manipulates a kid into falsely taking homicide charge
>kills takopi
>kills her half siblings
Nah she's still an evil whore

>>280933475
>Name 10 more deserving of death than Marina
I can name millions but I'm not on /pol/ so it's against the rules.

>>280928899 (OP)
FUCK IT WE BALL

>>280933425
Explaining a behavior is not excusing it.

>>280929537
Isn't Takopi the one that caused Marina and Azuma to start dating in the OG timeline?

>>280929842
>but your average western anime viewer can't wrap their heads around a character they disliked at first having even the slightest amount of depth.
I know what you mean...

>>280933481
Every criminal has some sob story or influence that they can point to for making the wrong decisions. This message is old as hell and not even executed well here. After everything marina does there's little to no reason to feel sorry for how her home is when it's revealed. You could easily predict she had issues at home and it does zero to make the bitch more likeable or someone to feel sorry for. They didn't do enough to make her suffer so when it's revealed you compare her torment to her victims and think damn thats it? You did all this shit because your mommy smacked you around and your dad fucked some whore?

People joke about it but unironically a guy with an insatiable lust for little girls would have solved the situation for both Marina and Shizuka, they just needed someone to give them love, to make them feel needed...

>story has a very simple morality lesson about a complex problem
>literally all that it's asking of you is to see how this issue came about
>normalfags reveal their psychopathic tendencies on full display
>reaction youtubers with their internet tough guy personality double down on their childish reactions and go on genuinely bloodthirsty rants on twitter
I knew this would happen back when I heard that they're going to adapt the manga. Most people really fucking struggle with the Rashomon effect for some reason.

>>280930321
Not to mention the references to the Bible and Freudian psychology

If Marina doesn't deserve to be killed, she definitely deserves to be raped. She wants to be a mother after all.

>>280933537
Yeah and they're wrong statements faggot because your mommy hitting you or being a bitch doesn't maintain your innocence after you torture and kill someone. You're not innocent anymore at that point get over it.

>>280930259
>NTR Chad on the left
It's over for Azuma.

>>280929954
Marina wants to be love.
Shizuka wants to live.
Azuma is just a little bitch.

>>280933679
Marina is innocent and pure unless slutzuka.

>>280933578
Except you keep bringing up how she was wronged as if it matters when she only uses that trauma to hurt actually innocent people.

>itt- anons learn that fucked up upbringings make fucked up offspring
where do you think you are?

>>280933481
>kicking puppies is bad
WOW SO DEEP

Who would win?

>>280933660
Yeah I usually don't try to judge people based on their perception of entertainment media, but some of the shit I've read comes across as genuinely unhinged.

>>280930918
but in that timeline she literally killed no one.

>>280933707
>she only uses that trauma to hurt actually innocent people.
We're not talking about slutzuka.

>>280933660
>literally all that it's asking of you is to see how this issue came about
It's asking you to feel sorry for someone who used their mid trauma to attack people who didn't do shit. And you have people defending the character as if they did some normal bullying or didn't know what suicide was.

>>280933660
>>normalfags reveal their psychopathic tendencies on full display
It will never not be funny whenever that happens.

>>280933626
Most criminals are not 10 you retard. Adults have plenty of opportunities to improve and get away from bad influences in their life while Marina has to go home to a mother that beats her every night. The only way she knows how to deal with her problems is with violence because that's what her parents have shown her.
Before you say it, this does not mean she is innocent, it just means she could be fixed if she's given the right discipline, punishment and a good role model.

>>280933672
>She wants to be a mother after all
Did she herself say something like that?

>>280933761
Only because Shizuka failed her suicide attempt.

>>280933761
She only didn't kill someone because she finally got stopped after a hundred attempts and was killed herself before she could go back to trying.
>>280933763
Marina manipulates people before shizuka you ugly lolicon faggot

>>280933481
>Shizuka doesn't trust others due to her neglect
and then she becomes gleeful at the murder of her classmate, manipulative of her close friends, and physically violent too. Any person with a functioning brain would lose sympathy for her, undermining the core message of the story for cheap shock value.

>>280933770
Stop powerscaling trauma for fuck's sake it's annoying as fuck, so what if some people suffered more, does that mean nobody else can have bad consequences from their suffering?

>>280933779
Yes? Did you even watch the episode?

>>280933775
Most 10 year olds OR adult criminals don't hunt people down to have them killed for no reason you fucking idiot. She's not the only one getting abused or beat and people in worse conditions don't do what she did. Shut your stupid ass up

>>280932936
This, the kids would've been happier as the children of haremettes.

>>280932963
They have a concept of death, just not killing (both other people and yourself). It's explicitly mentioned in the first episode.

>>280928899 (OP)
>What was the moral of this show?
That all women are sluts and evil. And we should take their rights away.

>>280933775
>she could be fixed if she's given the right discipline
She was lost at that point. Let me remind you she already had her mind on killing Chappy and Shizuka indirectly and was shown stabbing her classmate int he eyeball for nothing. Real world criminals wouldn't go that far except for some psychos on death row
>punishment
I don't think more beatings would help if her past is anything to go by

>>280933019
>mentally ill
hmm your usage of this phrase seems very familiar...

>>280933844
Picrel please

>>280933823
>She only didn't kill someone because she finally got stopped after a hundred attempts and was killed herself before she could go back to trying.

Holy speed watching

>>280933830
It does not because the core message is that not having a good role model or positive influence messes you up. The series would truly be misery porn if Shizuka was an innocent angel that just kept getting fucked over and not a flawed human being twisted by the responsibilities her parents dumped on her before she could experience her childhood like the other two.

>>280933835
Then stop talking about how your shitty character had such a rough life or her reaction to it matches it. When you use your trauma to justify hunting people to torture and kill them it's going to be pointed out the trauma doesn't match what you did with it. It's going to be pointed out you're a dramatic psycho weak bitch, even among other children, because you are. Get the fuck over it

>>280933920
She starts talking about it at 9:50. You will just say it's a lie because the subtitles are when she isn't shown on screen,

>>280933814
>Only because Shizuka failed her suicide attempt.
What a loser, bitch can't do anything right but fuck old men.

>>280933928
The alien literally had to try over a hundred times to prevent marina killing shizuka and the dog like she normally does. Then it intervenes before shizuka could attack or go back to trying to kill shizuka again. Fucking retard

For a magical creature Takopi is kind of useless.
>*Character beating the shit out of each other*
>"It's amazing how humans show affection piiii"
>4chan: woah that's so deep

>>280933940
The point isn't "she had a hard life so forgive her crimes", the point is that all her mother showed her to solve her problems was violence so the only way she knows how to deal with her problems is through violence.

>>280933920
Too lazy to check the anime again, but it is essentially the same

>Shizuka only turned bad because of Marinas bullying!! She's fucking Innocent!!!
Well Marina only turned bad because of her mothers bullyi-
>THAT DOESN'T FUCKING COUNT!!! SHE'S EVIL SHE NEEDS TO DIE!!!

>>280928955
KEK

>>280933996
You should really go watch the show again before you keep embarrassing yourself.

>>280928955
kino

>>280934021
The point is you fucking losers bringing the shit up to feel sorry for her or argue she doesn't deserve death when she does. She deserves what she gave out and you can't handle it.

>>280933996
>Fucking retard
the irony.

>>280933835
>powerscaling trauma
That really is an apt description of how autists try to parse basic human emotions in media. Just take emotional "feats" out of context and pile up on the fallacies until the character you like/selfinsert as "wins".

>>280933987
>makes marina lose all her friends
>recovers psychologically while marina is permanently scarred physically and emotionally
>gets prettier than marina
>gets her boyfriend
>gets her bitch mother killed
>gets marina in jail/psych ward (probably)
in the original timeline she won bigly

>>280933936
Being neglected doesn't correlate to becoming a manipulative murder happy child. Her fucked set of morals spring up only to make the situations of the other children seem worse and inject one-dimensional darkness into the story.

Quick tip guys: if the only discussion about a show is whether a character is right or wrong, then the show is shit.

>>280934027
>>Shizuka only turned bad
The best you losers can bring up is manipulating people which marina already did and more of on top of killing
>N-NO my heckin favorite loli character can't be worse than shitzuka
Cope and seethe loser

>>280934068
he's right about everything tho

>>280934126
You don't have to pretend to be another person.

>>280933737
umamu would win cause he has the advantage of having two star eyes vs AzuzA who has none, if Oshi no Ko is anything to go by

>>280934144
are you a solipsist or a schizo?

>>280934077
>If someone stubs their toe and kills a baby you can't mention that's petty or disproportionate because that's heckin power scaling trauma

>>280934120
We are also discussing which of the 2 children is more fuckable!

>>280934023
Sounds like she just wants that because of her mom

>>280934120
Some people think all fiction is capeshit where there has to be a good guy and a bad guy.

>>280934041
>>280934068
Cope

>another fandom that insists on treating characters like real people

Marina is a good girl
Shizuka is the real evil
Tapioca and the boy will fix it by commiting suicide, aka Plan Aqua

>>280934214
Yeah, I think you're actually retarded, go back to the crux of the actual argument, here >>280933761 and you'll realize you're wrong and retarded.

>>280934185
A lot of the things we want are due to the influence of others in our lives. Wanting to become a parent to prove that you can be better than your own is a common desire in children who grew up with domestic violence. Especially in those who at some point in their childhood were happy, it is a way to regain the family happiness you lost.

>>280934120
Audiences being too retarded to think outside of terms of "right" or "wrong" isn't the show's fault.

Who is winning the Shizukafags or the Marinafags?

>>280934258
She only killed no one because an alien stopped her after a hundred attempts where she did and then killed her before she could do anything else.

Can I get a one sentence tdlr of the story?

>>280934214
Since you're retarded I'll explain it to you. If I decided I'm going to get a hamburger in the morning and someone kept repeating the evening to stop me, I'm not going to change my mind no matter how much they repeat that evening.

>>280934317
Genuine retard or bot?

>>280934320
Murderous crazy bitch dies but feel bad because her parents sucked m'kay

>>280934292
Marinafags end up losing in every timeline. Marina ends up losing everything, dies or is forced to befriend her perceived sworn enemy. Shizukafags are destined to win

>>280934320
Things happen until RESET

>>280934280
But in this case it’s not
>Wanting to become a parent to prove that you can be better than your own is a common desire in children who grew up with domestic violence.
It’s because she thought her mother’s mental state would improve if she did. Or that’s how I interpret it.

>>280934320
Alien uses gadgets to make kids happy, makes no one happy because they kids aren't alright due to shitty parenting.

>>280934317
>She only killed no one because an alien stopped her after a hundred attempts where she did
You do realize that was the Orginal timeline right, you know? The one where Shizuka is alive and takes Marina's boyfriend? The same one where Marina kills her own mom and then herself? You can't be this fucking retarded...

>>280934342
Yet this alien eventually stopped marina from her usual murder attempt so what you just said doesn't matter
>>280934351
>Genuine retard or bot?
t. failed bot

Why did her mother become "normal" when she though her daughter had a boyfriend?

>>280934023
Very well. She will get what she wants with my mighty UB dick.

>>280933823
>>280930290
>>280933823
>>280933996
>>280934023
This is unrelated, but can I ask you a question, anon: How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>280933660
>normalfags reveal their psychopathic tendencies on full display
Like what?

>>280934411
I've been talking this entire time about when she's making the attempts on shizuka

We can blame the world all we want.
But sometimes we just need to give people a shoulder to cry on rather than change thier world.

>>280934455
>How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
I eat breakfast twice a year, so indifferent.

>>280934373
I interpret it as a combination of both. She wants to appease her mother but at the same time the series constantly shows that she is a girl desperate for affection, which is why she still loves her mother in spite of everything. Having children is the easiest way to get easy unconditional affection, after all you create a being that is dependent on you.

>>280934431
Because she thought her daughter was getting her life together for once after her mother ruined it. Despite her abuse her mother does genuinely care for Marina and want her to be happy. Plus if Marina got her life together she wouldn't have to feel guilty about everything she did to her.

>>280934473
Thinking a psychopath murderer deserves to die makes you a psychopath apparently

>>280934455
I went without breakfast all the time as a kid just like other kids. I specifically wouldn't even choose to eat lunch either. Why does it matter?

>>280934490
It doesn't matter since your arguing chain goes back to >>280933761 which would make you wrong the entire time, dumbfuck.

>>280933823
>>280930290
>>280933823
>>280933996
>>280934214
This is unrelated, but can I ask you a question, anon: How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>280928899 (OP)

>>280934538
Try again dumb fuck literally this entire time I've been arguing over the timeline of the first few episodes when she's hunting shizuka.

adults bad: the show

>>280934431
She was proyecting on her.
Like those mom that force their Kids to live their failed Dreams.
If she was able to become a wife/mother then it means she was also a good wife and mom in her mind.

>>280934572
You're so fucking stupid I can't...

>>280934561
My heroes…. and Bitchrina, Lustzuka and Cuckzuma

>>280934561

>>280934547
Hungry

>>280934586
A mother like that would unironically make Marina a good wife, just tell her mother when she's acting up and Marina would instant get her shit together, you'd be in full control.

>>280934603
Said the dumb faggot arguing about something besides what I was talking about then getting mad about it.

>>280934572
The IQ of the average shizukatard...

So question...does she actually kill her stepsiblings?

>>280928955
This movie is better than every anime released in the last 5 years.

>>280934650
Yeah but who the hell would date marina to begin with?

>>280934658
>Samefagging after arguing the wrong timeline

>>280934699
Me?

>>280929537
It's an original sin in the most biblical sense. He ate the fruit of knowledge/lost his innocence and got expelled from the Garden of Eden (Happy Planet)

>>280934699
Me. She becomes timid to people stronger than her as a teenager, just like her mother while getting shit talked by her dad. I'd force her into prostitution.

>>280934699
Shizuka would.

>>280929044
Marina’s dad, not Marina. Cheaters should burn in hell.

>>280934735
>force her into prostitution
The Kuze family already has that market cornered

>>280934777
KEK

>>280934383
So the show ends with both girls being evil and the alien dying?

>>280934713
>everyone that calls me out for the retard that I am is the same person.

>>280934777
You motherfucker

>>280934777
Fuck you're right, well I'd perform all my most deviant fantasies on her. Including ryona.

>>280934661
Unknown. There's a newspaper article says they were found, but whether they survived or not is kept vague. Japanese news article usually refrain from details when minors are involved.

>>280934743
Honestly I feel bad for Marina's ending. Imagine becoming close to a whore who will surely persuade you to lose your innocence for easy money and then tell you "Look Marina, if you miss your father it's very simple" while making you do papakatsu.

Marina having trouble getting a BF makes me think this is written by a man. That is not how women work.

Marina deserved better

>>280934777
trips of truth

>>280934874
she has an ugly scar tho

>>280934862
In the end Marina just become Shizuna's new dog.

>>280934878
All the Kids deserved better.

>>280934862
It's okay, she "hates" her so much she won't let anyone except herself ruin Marina.

>>280928955
Holy based

>>280934874
>face scar
Japan is super superficial so that is a big no.

>>280934874
Tbh her scar is supposed to look really ugly and there are rumors about her being a delinquent (some probably think she's a slut too). There must be men who want to sleep with her but none who want to put her a ring

>>280934835
Wait really indint recall that in the manga

Shizuka if she was born into a stable middle class household

>>280934923
Hot

>>280934960

>>280928955
fpbp

>>280934997
Dam i just recall the seasons passing ty

>>280934997
How did a ten year old kidnap two girls for multiple months and manage to keep them alive? Unless fragile state means badly decayed...

>>280934320
Women are the source of all evil.

>>280935068
She probably just killed them or let them die and the bodies just haven't been found yet.

>>280935068
She had the flowers

The problem with Takopi is that the writing and direction only know extremes.
>B-but there's a justification and and and
Yes, but there's no nuance. A more nuanced approach would be better. You can't present a character as a monster, make us hate her, and then turn her into a victim and expect us to empathize with her. The damage is done.

seeing all the talk of Takopi is reminding me of another misery porn manga I read, can't remember the name
the plot is city girl moves into countryside with family, her classmates burn down her house and kill most of her family and then she's basically going around killing her class. The main boy loves beating his mother and the girl that kickstarted the events did it because she was gay for the protagonist.

>>280935068
She has the happy flower gadget, so she can essentially make herself and others invisible. They are most likely dead, articles like this are kept vague on purpose.

>>280935122
If it was less shocking it wouldn't have gone viral.

>>280935122
Yes you can. Because the work shows any kids canbecome derrengged. So you put doubts in your first assumption if the characters.

>>280935090
It's said they were found in a fragile state and won't be interviewed. I take that to mean they're alive still.

>>280935140
But the attention is superficial like with the many other things going viral. There's nothing special about it besides shock value that can and will easily be done again.

>>280935140
The need to "go viral" sacrificed depth.
>>280934287
Kinda it is. >>>>280935125

>>280935211
The attention got it a really good anime adaption so I wouldn't say it was totally superficial.

>>280932148
I wonder if it's Japanese culture or something, but every single adult would think "well If I don't do something, shit might happen and the cops will be knocking on my door" but I guess that's just not a thing that happens.

>>280934997
haha
that piece of shit father

>>280935229
>>280935125
That isn't the show's fault

>>280933920

>>280935230
Also child bullying was and maybe is istill a really taboo subject in japan so got more attention because of it.
"I wont sacrifice the future of this young children for one victim" as the legend says.

>>280935168
There's no room for doubt because the show first divides the children into victims and villains and only then begins to justify their actions. Again, the damage is done.

>>280933737
ZukakuZ has almost 360° vision while ShizihS can barely see, easy match up.

>>280935229
>The need to "go viral" sacrificed depth
No ironically yes, there are some things that if they had been changed or done differently would have made this a better story, the style is good and there are ideas that aren't too bad. I still like it, but it could have been much better

>>280935122
>You can't present a character as a monster, make us hate her, and then turn her into a victim and expect us to empathize with her
Why not? Marina was clearly an abuse victim from the first episode and it showed how she learned from the abuse she received and took it out on Shizuka. And these threads have shown that many people have no problem empathizing with Marina, maybe a little too much.

>>280935254
No sensible person would call the cops on themselves.

>>280934411
Shizuka only lives in that timeline because the rope failed. In her final moments marina wishes she had made sure shizuka was dead and almost has the alien use time travel to kill her itself instead.

The ending is so fucking shit it makes this overexaggerated slop even worse than it already is.

>>280934795
>I swear I'm not samefagging and ur retarded
>Even though I don't know what I'm arguing about

>>280935397
I don't think you understood my point.

>>280935417
as an animeonly when she said "I should have killed her" I thought she meant her mother and it almost redeemed her. then she finished the sentence

>>280935417
Marina only commits suicide in that timeline because of Takopi as well? What does any of that matter?

>>280935331
Damage is too strong of a word. The perception of the charcters changes pretty much every chapter and as a render it never stays long enough to feel like it contradices itself.
The setting and tone is set perfectly for the viewer to make and assumption and then put those assumptions in doubt.

>>280935386
Because you can't feel sorry for someone the same when they're using the abuse to do much worse to people.

Reminder that they become literal slut friends to cope with their shit lives. So their only choices in all of time is to either cause each others deaths, or become co-sluts... because only sluts wear eyeshadow as teenagers.

>>280935417
To be fair if I knew someone was going to cause me to kill my mom I'd want to kill them in 4th grade as well, that's the first justified act of violence Marina ever wants to commit.

>>280935432
Is fine. Is kinda of stretch but it isnt hurts the work themes and story.
The Kids still have shitty parents.

>even in the good timeline Marina still gets her face cut up by her own mother
damn.

>>280935503
Why not? You can feel bad for someone and still hold them responsible for their crimes.

>>280935331
>the show first divides the children into victims and villains
Like Koe no Katachi? It shows you one perspective first so you can see how horrible the bullying is. If you can't consider other people's perspective based on new information, that's your problem.

What is Takopi's mission even supposed to be? He's not supposed to come home back alone, so is he meant to bring back girls to breed with?

>>280935564
Is this a reference to something

>>280935524
>>280935564
So in the end Shizuka still becomes a slut and Marina still becomes ugly, but now they can be those things as friends...

>>280935473
She's still a bitch who wanted shizuka dead and blamed her for nothing in that timeline. You said "b-but she didn't kill anyone" yet she spends her final moments mad about failing to do it.

>>280935230
>>280935325
What a bunch of bullshit. Treating bullying as shock value is the oldest and most common thing in japanese ficition. It happens all the time. It never changed anything precisely because shock value and misery porn only serve to make people cry and feel good about not being assholes like the characters portrayed.

And holy shit in Takopi everything is solved with magic at the end. What easier way to pretend a problem doesn't exist than this?

>>280935527
>my schizophrenic mother off her meds attacks me with murderous intent (again)
>I kill her in self defense
>this is my classmate's fault
I fail to see how that justifies marina wanting to kill Shizuka

>>280935579
>Koe no Katachi
Marina is 100x worse than Shoya.

>>280928955
Based.

>>280935587

>>280935587
Is it not the pen she stabs the alien with

>>280935599
>yet she spends her final moments mad about failing to do it
So? Obviously it shows that she was right to have those feelings.

>>280930321
Brother is really the only good character in this show, sadly this shitfest needs to have this badly drawn misery porn.

Fruits Basket did everything this show is trying to do 10000x better.

>>280934561
Fukken saved.

>>280934820
You're a gentleman of taste, anonymous. I would do the same. Abusing Marina sounds like fun.

>>280935265
Sure, anon. Let's keep pretending that a show that's 99% made of shocking scenes cares about anything other than shocking. Let's keep pretending Takopi is deep and realistic.

>>280935674
>Abusing Marina sounds like fun.
I'd abuse them both and start my own ryona Harem

>>280934690
Nah odd taxi was better. It's also cgi so kind of shit be definition.

>>280932002
This. Look at the official Twitter account posts, people just love Shizuka the most.

>>280935635
Was Shoya the MC? He did it out of stupidity and honestly regretted what he did. The teachers are still at fault for allowing someone deaf and therefore almost mute in the general population class. Those kids don't even go to special ed, they have a completely separate school for the other deaf/mute retards because they will obviously become target in a normal school

>>280935602
>treating bully as shock value
Im sure bullying exist and like kids kill themselve on japan because of it yet.

>feel good about not being assholes
dont think that is the point. I think a lot of the readers will feel like assholes for wishing bad to any of these Kids after learning their stories.

>everything is solved
They are still living shitty lifes. It just happen they have someone to talk to now that isnt takopi.

>>280929182
>Marina was victim of socio-economic factors!

>>280935635
Only at the dog killing part. Before that it was pretty standard like Shoya and Ueno's bullying and she actually had a reason unlike Shoya who was just a little shit

>>280935607
Marinafags will say anything to defend the character

>>280935607
Because Marina and her mom was both isolated, lonely and miserable and her getting a bf was a sign they could both improve and be fixed and Shizuka went after Azuma knowing it would leave them miserable. In that timeline, Azuma was Marina's Chappy, someone that gave her hope when everyone else abandoned her, which is why Shizuka took him away from her as revenge.

As long we agree this is funnier than CITY everything is alright.

>>280935564
She could collect enough money for scar surgery by whoring herself ig

>>280935716
>all the comments under shizuka highscool character sheet are about ntr and how manipulative she is.
I wouldnt call it love but rather people find these characters good.

>>280935602
Takopi only made things things worse through his intervention, it was only by not existing everything became normal.

The moral of the story is that you can't keep everyone happy, you just need to hear them out

>>280935659
She really wasn't because it's her own mom that's ruined her love life to the point she's malding over missing out on this basic guy with glasses and gets truly pushed over the edge when she attacks her daughter again. You're as mentally ill as she is for even implying it made sense to want to kill shizuka there.

>>280935774
>was only by not existing everything became normal.
Well the memories of him still live in the kids. Only reason why they could go have just a little bit better life.

How would people react if it actually goes for an anime original ending in the last episode?

>>280935827
They are just going to add a scene with Marina and Shizuka kissing.

>>280935686
Do you think excessive exaggeration makes your point more convincing? There are plenty of feel good scenes and moments of levity as well. There are only like 5 shocking scenes, 10 max if you stretch it, so far. But you'll keep pretending Takopi is on the same level as
>her classmates burn down her house and kill most of her family and then she's basically going around killing her class. The main boy loves beating his mother and the girl that kickstarted the events did it because she was gay for the protagonist

>>280935827
they're going to make it explicitly yuri so they can wring money out of people

Why did Azuma go out with Marina if he knew she was a bully in the past?

>>280935827
I dont think they can have any other ending. The story to have that ending.

>>280935750
>Shizuka went after Azuma knowing it would leave them miserable
Wrong. Azuma went for Shizuka. Shizuka had no idea it would affect Marina or her mom, nor would she care considering what they put her through.

Let's say she succeeded in killing Shizuka directly. Marimom is still a schizophrenic and even if Marina doesn't go to juvenile prison she will still end up killing her mother one day cause what else do you do with someone who threatens your life and you can't get away from?

>>280935750
Her mom is the one who fucked up her chances with men and tried to kill her. Even if shizuka got with that one guy she liked it's because he chose that not just shizuka. It's like blaming shizuka for what her dad chooses to do with her whore mom.

>>280935870
He’s a yesman. He probably doesn't even have friends in that timeline, Marina asked to be his girlfriend and his reasoning was "well, why not".

>>280935870
He's an incel. Marina even liking him is what's surprising.

>>280935870
People change. And if my girl bully of 6 years ago grew to be a cutie then i wouldnt mind either if she got close to me.

>>280935870
He wants the damaged chick, some guys are like that, but Shizuka is top tier used goods.

>>280935886
>>280935903
You're both forgetting the big factor that she is still her mom and no matter what she might did to her Marina still loves her as it's often the case for domestic abuse victims.

>>280935923
Her mom made her uglier so it was harder to get guys but she pretended shizuka did it

>>280934690
>has to bring up a 2010 movie for decent /co/ shit
lmao, anyways i liked the revue starlight movie way more

>>280935827
I would do a backflip and then piss on my cat

>>280935972
The Revue movie is a fucking masterpiece. My favorite one of the decade so far.

>>280935954
I'm not forgetting anything but it doesn't change that she has infinitely more reasons to hate her mom than shizuka. And you're trying way too hard to sound just like the crash out schizos. You should probably get that checked out.

>>280934690
Megamind has really gotten overrated in recent years

>>280935122
There's no problem with the plot, people are just media illiterate. They would bitch about Shakespearean plays for being tragic when the plot serves a bigger point.

I think the purpose of having it over the top was to highlight how abused children would eventually abuse others, and that happens IRL All of you learned insults from being called one, you didn't pick it up yourself on your own.
>>280935813
Again, that's the equivalent of hearing them out as opposed to directly intervening in their lives.

Takopi gave the rope to Shizua, she hung herself.
Takopi pushed Marina to date Azumi, she ended up killing her mom

>>280932936
Absolute truth. A fatherless family is like a home without a roof, every functional family needs a good mom and dad. Animal-like parents can, no, mostly cause bad mental damage to their kids one way or the other.

>>280935903
>It's like blaming shizuka for what her dad chooses to do with her whore mom.
It's more a parallel to Marina's mother blaming Shizuka's mother for stealing her husband.
Sure, Azuma and his father are to blame for abandoning his girlfriend/family (well, in Azuma's case at least he had the decency to break up before moving forward with Shizuka) but Shizuka and her mother went after 2 men knowing they were in a relationship

This anime is very relatable because I often get bullied by mean anons on 4chan.

>>280936014
The government and feminism said otherwise so enjoy the increased crime, worse health and dysfunction.

>>280928899 (OP)
fun things are fun

>>280936010
Yes, she has a lot of reasons to hate her mom but she can't bring herself to hate her mom because that's still her mom.

>>280933028
Azuma's father is just the common archetype of the Japanese man who spends too much time working to spend enough time with his family.

>>280935870
He has a goal of helping out his classmates and unfortunately he's unable to help everyone. Takopi is an idealistic way of achieving everyone's happiness. Azuma is a pragmatic way of achieving it

>>280936023
Azuma chose to get with shizuka and that's it. Maybe if marina wasn't such a bitch and her mom didn't scar her face he would have chose different. Shizuka has no obligation to marina especially since she was behind the suicide attempt that failed in that timeline.

>Azuma
Is this anime about the mangaka that made yotsubato and azumanga?

>>280936035
Did you try to use the "happy mouse" gadget and close the page?

>>280936066
Cool that doesn't change her schizo mom is the actual problem

Wow everyone got riled up this thread. This is definitely the fastest non-episode Takopi thread and probably faster than some episode threads.

Does anyone even care about Takopi?

>>280936172
Not after that little bitch hit his own mother.

>>280936113
Technically you can say her dad is the source of the actual problem. Her dad abuses her mom, her mom abuses her, she abuses Shizuka.

>>280936091
>Shizuka has no obligation to marina especially since she was behind the suicide attempt that failed in that timeline.
No she doesnt. But the anime made it clear that she doesn't care about Azuma and only seduced him to screw Marina, not because she liked him. It's still a very toxic attitude

Shizuka was stealing shit at the beginning of the episode, imagine defending that.

>>280936172
If anyone cared about him, they wouldn't say the ending is a happy one.

>>280936172
I love Takopi. He's a good boy and deserves so much better. It hurts my heart whenever his happy gadgets get used for nefarious purposes when all he wants is to spread happiness.

>>280936197
The dad is a problem but fucking some prostitute isn't enough trauma to make cutting up abusing and trying to kill your kid make any slight amount of sense. And marina obviously copies the bitch by using excessive violence on people or creatures. So the mom is the bigger problem. Defective genes from the start.
>>280936200
Marina deserved to lose the glasses kid for being a massive cunt and almost getting the one who got him to kill herself. That's actually the least she deserves.

>>280936205
What did she steal?

>>280928955
such a great movie

>>280928955

>>280936192
Hits her because she said he couldn't kill some kid for another evil kid

>>280936222
>If anyone cared about Lain, they wouldn't say Serial Experiment Lain's ending is a happy one
>If anyone cared about Lelouch, they wouldn't say Code Geass's ending is a happy one
>If anyone cared about Madoka, they wouldn't say Madoka Magica's ending is a happy one
>If anyone cared about Senketsu, they wouldn't say Kill la Kill's ending is a happy one
>If anyone cared about Chamber, they wouldn't say Suisei no Gargantia's ending is a happy one

>>280936371
He hit her because she wiped his memories and banished him from the planet. Doing only one of the two is understandable but doing both is a dick move on her part. Imagine you are Takopi and you can't return home and you don't know why and even if you figure out you were banished permanently you still don't know why.

>>280936348
she stole a bag of food, and slipped through the turnstiles behind other paying passengers

>>280936348
Naoki's heart

I want to punch Takopi until he stops saying "pi"

>>280936315
>The dad is a problem but fucking some prostitute isn't enough trauma
He does more than that. From the little we've seen of him, he's violent and abusive and flies off the handle at the littlest things.

about the manga ending, why did young marina have faint memories of takopi when they only first met when she was older?

>>280936473
He was literally going to use one of their tools to kill a kid despite being told it was off limits and broke one of their most important rules. It sucks for the squid but I don't feel even kind of bad for it. No one needs a schizo squid with op gadgets killing for no reason.

>>280928899 (OP)
God, this thread is hilarious. Does anybody really not think of this manga/anime as hilarious suffering porn? Every adult is a blind sociopath, every child is a murderous gremlin, blood debts are traded amongst the elementary school populace like fucking cards.

>>280936609
Magic-pi

>>280936562
Basically every time we see their home life it's the mother attacking her. I remember at least one time the dad threw something at her but it was more his words and the cheating that was shown as a problem.

>>280936562
His deadbeat wife keeps provoking him
>keeps bitching and moaning and nagging
>contributes nothing to the household
>beats and abuses his daughter over nothing
>runs her filthy mouth when he spends his money on whatever he likes
>has to suffer that bitch setting his daughter against him
>never raised his arm against his daughter
>even offered to get her out of that hellhole she calls house
The only thing he did wrong is marrying that slag in the first place. Good thing Azuma makes sure Marina's bloodline ends with her

>>280936648
I didn't mean towards Marina. I meant towards her mom.

>>280936091
>and her mom didn't scar her face
I realized something tragically ironic. It makes sense her mom is so fixated on the scar. She definitely feels guilty for causing it and she takes it out on Marina even more.

>>280930107
How the FUCK is this bitch monolid? She's too European looking, and I'm not even talking about her yellow eyes and hair, but her face shape. Her brow sticks out too much, and she is not squinty in the slightest. Her eyes are too big and wide, and she's too lanky and angular to have those ultra Asian padded slit eyes. There are literally lines between her eyes and eyebrows??? What the fuck are those. And isn't she the popular girl? How is she uglier than the boring looking unkempt loser kid?

>>280928955
Absolute kek

>>280936685
Even if he hit the mom that bitch is a grown ass woman and it still doesn't make sense to regularly beat and cut up your kid. Where's HER scars if she's being done that bad?

>>280936675
>contributes nothing to the household
She's a housewife. It's her job to take care of domestic things and manage household finances. Why is he losing his temper and getting violent over her buying tassels for the curtains?

>>280936744
To be fair, Marina only had that one scar. If it wasn't for that one incident, Marina wouldn't have any scars from her beatings either.

As with basically all comical suffering manga, if every single character shown died the world would become a better place.

>>280936727
Anon, almost no anime character looks like real Japanese people and almost no Asian is attractive (or at least personally) so it's not surprising that she was popular as a kid just because she was stylish or that having double eyelid makes you automatically cute.

>>280936550
Fanarts are insane.

>>280936744
>make sense to regularly beat and cut up your kid
It's just your usual cycle of abuse, the dad takes out her anger on the mom because that's the only person he can hit, the mom takes it out on her kid because that's the only person she can hit, the kid takes it out on another kid because that's the only person she can hit.
>Where's HER scars if she's being done that bad?
Where's Shizuka's scars if Marina is physically abusing her? Do you realize how bad that sounds?

>>280936790
It's his money. The neet bitch should be grateful shes getting a single yen of his and when you have to listen to her nagging every day it gets to you

>>280936829
Marina had the scar that would be obvious to everyone as soon as you meet them. She already groomed her to be an aggressive cunt bully just like her but to add on to it she also gave her a scar on the worst area she could have. She ruined her mentally and physically.

>>280936831
There are some exceptions

>>280936887
What's wrong with you people? I thought you wanted women to be housewives.
>listen to her nagging every day
He was the one yelling at her over something insignificant

>>280936856
Did you miss the part where Shizuka returns from school bruised and swollen and blue eyed every day? She was about to get a very nice scar right in her eyeball if Takopi didn't call the teachers to prevent what he experienced firsthand the day before

>>280928899 (OP)
why do they suck at winking?

>>280936844
Insanely good yeah.

>>280936856
>Where's Shizuka's scars if Marina is physically abusing her? Do you realize how bad that sounds?
Faggot stay on topic we're comparing how bad marinas mom had it compared to her since you or someone else is implying or saying the dad abused the mom similarly too. To scar someone's face for life is going the extra mile in abuse and in that same chapter shizukas beauty is admired or commented on in comparison despite her still going through bullying and the suicide attempt. It's worse abuse to scar someone on top of beating them, so where's the mom's face scar? Oh wait it's not there so she literally didn't have as bad done to her as she did to her daughter.

>>280937031
So you're saying before she scarred her, they received the same level of abuse?

>>280937031
She's like 40-50 years old, nobody will care if she got scarred, it's not like she's going to score anyone else at that point of his life.

>>280935827
it should've been yuri when they were younger

>>280937055
Only if the dad beat her like she beat her daughter but I'm not seeing any chapters posted showing where that happened. So she probably beat her worse and scarred her for life on top of it.
>>280937068
Older people still hook up and a face scar like that would drive women of any age crazy because it stands out too much.

>>280936947
>spends his money on useless shit without asking
>expects not to get yelled at
We didn't hear the entire argument so we don't know who initiated it but it doesn't matter when the father is in the right. She's in no position to lecture him on his spending habits when her problem is the prostitute, not the money spent on her. Besides it's not like she bought a new oven when the last one died. Those useless decorations can costs hundreds of USD.
When you are getting your financial needs taken care of by someone else you won't tell him how to spend his money, you won't spend his money however you please and you certainly won't beat and cut his kid.

>>280937128
>and you certainly won't beat and cut his kid
He should be there to stop her instead of being too busy cumming inside a random whore all night then.

>>280937170
He can't be home all the time as the sole breadwinner during a divorce. Nothing is stopping his cunt wife from beating Marina when he's at work and not at the club or in the capital. He did try to take her back to Tokyo with him and her mother got super pissy about it and whopped Marina-pi's ass when she said yes and the father was away. You obviously haven't been abused by a parent, lucky you. If the other parent wants to take it out on you he will find a way as long as you live under the same roof

>>280928899 (OP)
Adults are evil.

>>280937128
>Those useless decorations can costs hundreds of USD.
No they don't. They'll usually only cost $10-$20.
>When you are getting your financial needs taken care of by someone else you won't tell him how to spend his money
I don't get it, do you people want housewives or not? That's literally the point of a housewife. You make the money, she takes care of things at home and cooks food. She's literally doing her part.
>you won't spend his money however you please
That's actually how it works in Asia believe it or not. The husband gives the money to the wife who manages household finances and gives him an allowance with his own money to spend on whatever he wants.
>and you certainly won't beat and cut his kid
He doesn't even give a shit. He probably doesn't even know.

>>280937170
He should have been there but he shouldn't need to be there for her not to do that to her daughter

>>280937265
They aren't breaking up because she's abusive retard, she's abusive because they're breaking up. The only reason she's such a mess is because he's abandoning her, the only thing she talks about is how he abuses her and fights with her and how she is being abandoned and how she wants Marina to be with her because she has nobody else to take her side.

>>280937285
If you're treating your kid like that any housework you could do becomes irrelevant. You don't ruin someone's life for nothing but say it's fine cus you fucking cooked and did some dishes for a tiny family.

>>280937331
And why are they breaking up genius?
>because he cheats on her
Which happens because she's a terrible wife that brings negative value to the table and is unpleasant to be around.

>>280937332
Put aside Marina's mom abusing her for a second. We're talking about Marina's dad abusing the mom. Otherwise you can turn it around and say Marina getting abused by her mom is justified because she bullies Shizuka.

>>280937409
Are you her husband or something? Why are you so dedicated to defending a husband that doesn't give a shit about his family?

>>280937331
The bitch abuses her daughter because she's weak and mentally ill not because their faggot husband bought a better looking whore. Wives get cheated on all the time and find new dick instead of doing shit like this.

>>280937409
No, he cheats on her because he's an asshole

>>280937427
except mom isn't abusing marina for what shes doing to shizuka and dad abusing mom doesnt compare to what mom is doing to marina

>>280937409
>And why are they breaking up genius?
Because he is a horny asshole and her late 30s yo wife doesnt get him hard anymore?

>>280937471
Dad abusing mom isn't because of what mom is doing to Marina

>>280937427
The dad abusing the mom has so far been exaggerated with little to nothing from the manga being posted to back it up and it's not enough to make your typical morally right person do much worse to their daughter.

>>280937409
>Which happens because she's a terrible wife that brings negative value to the table and is unpleasant to be around.
Okay where did you get this from? The flashbacks and pictures show that they were a normal family. There is 0 indication the mother is the way she is before the dad started cheating

>>280937498
it contributes and again his so called abuse is nothing compared to the domestic violence she commits

>>280937525
Right here she looks normal too >>280936744 but in a split second she's trying to kill her daughter again. Normal or morally good people don't do this shit just because they got cheated on and have to get a new man. I don't know why you're in denial about something inherently being wrong with the mom.

>>280937598
>just because they got cheated on and have to get a new man
Genuine question, are you autistic? When most people see the love of their life and the person they dedicated half of their life to cheat on them and break up their first thought isn't "I have to find a new man".

>>280928955
KEK

>>280937655
It actually is when they realize theres no going back.
t. from a high divorce rate shithole
Dont forget his wife needs a provider more than a husband and he also dedicated half of his life. The main difference being he can afford to look for something better and settles for a whore lmao

>>280937655
Most people get with new people after getting cheated on, they sure as fuck don't suddenly beat or try to kill or scar their child for life over it. How is this autistic to say when it's just the truth bitch? Sure there's pain involved in this situation but you're exaggerating the fuck out of it.

>>280928899 (OP)
Couldn't tell you. You can blame the parents, I guess, but no amount of sob backstory can justify how much of a bitch Marina was to shizuna. Her stealing her boyfriend was basically hitting her back as she still tormenting Shizuka to the point of wanting to take her life.
Shizuna being manipulative doesn't excuse Marina being a fucking vile little shit.

>>280937737
Thousands of people literally kill themselves over it.

>>280937752
Nigga, from her point of view Shizuka was the reason her mom tried to kill her, it's fucked but it tells you how years of trauma destroy your common sense. The show doesn't want you to take forgive them, it wants you to take pity on them.

>>280937752
>shizuna
>shizaku
>suzaku
>maria
>marinara
>togepi
>tapoki
why can't people remember names

>>280935587
The anime doesn't emphasize it too well but the saturn rabbit ballpoint pen keeps getting brought up by Takopi as one of the happy gadgets

>>280937782
Marinas mom didn't kill herself here stay on topic. But she should have killed herself. Tell me right now how common it is to beat, try to kill and scar your kid for life over getting cheated on.

>>280937856
>getting brought up by Takopi as one of the happy gadgets
*in the manga I add

>>280928955
thank you

>>280937555
>it contributes
Yeah it contributes to mom abusing Marina. You're missing very obvious themes of the cycle of abuse here.
>his so called abuse
It is abuse. He's an abusive asshole. Why are you denying it?

>>280937782
And millions move on. How many scar the face of their daughters with broken glass?

>>280937860
Domestic abuse is a pretty common consequence but it isn't reported as much for obvious reasons.

>>280937598
>Normal or morally good people don't do this shit
Normal and morally good people don't kill the dog of a girl who did nothing to you

>>280937898
This went far beyond just domestic abuse and I'll answer for you right now that people hardly ever do this shit just because they got cheated on. You have no right or justification for it and if anything you just make people wish you get cheated on again for doing it.

>>280937892
different degrees of abuse. he doesnt pummel her daily or stab her or intentionally use her kid against her

>>280937928
So you're admitting both marina and her mom were evil right

>>280937006
Resting punched in the eye face

>>280937928
>who did nothing to you
oh it's this retard again, hush

>>280937948
>refusing to have sex with her
based CHADzuma

>>280937897
Billions even

>>280938002
>Azuma is a domestic abuser
It's over. Aniki is the only sane person in this anime

>>280937948
Because we've seen very little of him. He acts exactly like the kind of husband who beats his wife. It's not a competition. We know what we've seen happen to Marina is worse. And what happened to Shizuka is even worse. She was driven to suicide. The point is that his abuse fuels his household problems.

>>280938046
not so fast

>>280937980
I don't like using words like evil in these contexts but a simple answer, yes. Marina and her mom were evil, as well as her dad.

>>280929842
Its just shown badly Anon. If you wanted us to feel bad for her or see things from her side you should be more subtle and show more side to her side beforehand. She was literal devilspawn in ep1-2.

>>280937991
I don't know who you're talking about but have you considered that not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person? No normal or moral person would consider Shizuka to blame in any way and take it out on her.

>>280938109
Her being a literal devilspawn was intentional because that was what she seemed in Takopi's perspective. She had to be impossible to get through to make Takopi take the ultimate solution without realizing the consequences. Takopi doesn't think too hard about killing Marina until later, like the audience, because all he saw was a cruel demon. He only realizes what he did was wrong and the weight of murder when he is forced to literally take Marina's position and start to see things from her perspective.

>>280938260
She's still a devilspawn after everything is revealed, you just find out so was her mother and her mother is actually the reason for it.

>>280938260
Real life killers don't go as far as she did and most of those that do don't start nearly as early. No sob story can justify her actions or absolve her. Sure you can feel bad about her circumstances but she is still an irredeemable piece of shit human.

>>280938305
>you just find out so was her mother and her mother is actually the reason for it
No, we find out that she had a mother and father that genuinely loved her despite their abuse and he made an already barely functional family lose the one thing most precious to them.

>>280938336
>>280938305
Noggers you can say the same shit about shizuki

>>280938260
She was still devil incarnate when dealing with Shizuka. She had a rough life at home? Tell that to the bullied victim who was driven to kill herself.
Marina started this whole shit, and Shizuna stealing the other kid was her way of getting back on her on her. Literally none of this would have happened if the blonde bitch didn't go after her.

>>280938359
You don't truly love someone if you badly beat them, try to kill them and scar them just because the father cheated.

>>280938376
The closest thing you had to her being like marina was manipulating but she did it to less people. Marina was clearly worse.

>>280938163
>No normal or moral person would consider Shizuka to blame in any way and take it out on her.
Of course not, but we're talking about a 10 year old kid that genuinely didn't know any better and had nobody to teach her otherwise or punish her for her actions. Shizuka was responsible in her eyes and nobody even tried to teach her.
>>280938406
yes you do lmao, there are parents that kill their children in a fit of rage and kill themselves afterwards after realizing what they did.

>>280931872
real

>>280938448
True love involves care, and even a stranger who hated her could have offered better care than her mother. Parents that kill their children or try to don't and can't actually love them.

>>280938391
In Marina's eyes, Shizuka started it first. Of course, as sensible, moral adults that had a relatively good upbringing we know that is wrong, but Marina is none of those things.

>>280929500
>Instead of deconstructing this common sense idea that people are inherently evil, it reinforces it.
and it's based for this very reason

>>280938490
People do stupid things that they regret when they are overly emotional. I know my dad loves me, but he hit me once or twice when he was angry over something else. I did the same to my little sister once or twice and I know I'd literally take a bullet for her without hesitation.

>>280938437
>both does killing
>one is abusive other is manipulative
Now if you don't blame the parents then both are evil bitches where sympathy matters little

>>280938538
Ok hitting your kid once or twice or killing them in one fit of rage still isn't the same as constantly beating them for years and trying to kill them multiple times so I don't know why you're bringing it up. Especially doing this all just because someone else cheated on you. If you can't take care of your kids in the most simple necessary ways like marinas mom failed to then you can't say you love them and have it mean much of anything.

>>280938543
Marina manipulates more and kills someone who didn't deserve it. Last I checked shizuka only attempts to kill an alien that already killed another kid and was going back in time to kill her before being stopped anyway. Better luck next time marinafag

>>280931961
don't know about their gender, but they were 23 back in 2020

>>280938632
Retarded faggot she killed her siblings

>>280938595
In the end love has nothing to do with whether you are a good parent or not, and Marina's mom clearly can't handle the divorce as we see her literally become an alcoholic that never leaves her home and talks to nobody except her daughter while Marina is at highschool.

>>280938632
She tries to ruin Azuma's life by making her take the blame for murder and almost succeeds.

>>280938660
Caring for your kids and not killing them has everything to do with being a good parent the fuck are you on about

can somebody make a chronological diagram of all the timelines

>>280936900
Double stars
>>280928899 (OP)
Azuma has single star
Weak savior drive

>>280938683
But she doesn't kill him and at least gives him a choice so he gets to back out

>>280938700
Of course it does. I'm saying you can be a terrible parent and still love your kids.

>>280938657
Read the news clippings more carefully, it's said they found the sisters alive later on so she only kidnapped them somehow?

>>280938657
In what chapter?

>>280938740
Your love doesn't mean much or isn't proven much if you abuse them that badly